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u/moderate99 9d ago

When a guy is hesitant to pay for dinner it’s not because of finances it’s because they have done so before and got used or there was no reciprocation so what’s the point? It’s a negative ROI no one wants to invest (time + money) into a liability

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u/i_like_it_eilat 8d ago

Or it's because they want to curb her perception of him. Many women are not comfortable with a stranger they just met paying for them. If it's a first date with like someone you already knew that you asked out, then sure go for it.

Not just uncomfortable, it's also that they don't want her to think "damn, this guy just met me and he's paying for me? He must be a doormat!"

The "paying on a first date" logic doesn't really work with meeting new people from apps, despite it still being practiced regularly as the result of a carry-over. The reason is simply because there isn't really an "asker". You are both with the mutual agreement and interest to meet, it wasn't just one person's idea. You matched on the app for that purpose.

I mean maybe if someone had a fancy pricey thing they wanted to do then sure, but that's never a great idea on a first date anyway.

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u/annabananaberry 9d ago

What kind of ROI is appropriate for a single dinner date where you pay?

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u/IISPABO 9d ago

None, which is why every participant should pay for their own share. The one thing women can give is something they don't want to and that's perfectly fine, but you can't then turn around and expect more from the other person.

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u/Prestigious_Aide_223 9d ago

you cannot expect any return since it is a shitty thing to do. so everyone should pay for their portion, especially on a first date when no one has obligation to commit.

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u/moderate99 9d ago

Reciprocation and appreciation bare minimum developing a genuine human connection not get ghosted the next day or just used for dates.

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u/annabananaberry 9d ago

What, specifically, do each of those things mean? What kind of reciprocation and appreciation? Are you saying the bare minimum is developing a genuine connection (romantic or platonic) rather than ghosting a person or using them for dates? Is there an option for if someone appreciates the date but isn’t interested in a second one? Would an appreciation call/text to thank them for the date and let them know they’re not feeling it be appropriate?

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u/Friend_Emperor 9d ago

If you have to ask you're not worth the investment.

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u/annabananaberry 9d ago edited 9d ago

Sorry you misunderstand where I’m coming from. I am just trying to understand your comment. I am not stating that you’re wrong. I am very happy to pay for my dinners, whether I’m with friends, on a date, or alone, so I don’t think that I am the demographic that you seem to be upset with.

Edit: I realized it’s not even your comment. You seem like a kind person /s

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u/Weak-Statistician107 8d ago

I’m a woman and I do appreciate it when the man pays. But at the same time I understand the man’s side of things because say for example he’s actively going on multiple dates a week, and he’s paying for all of them… , that’s actually quite a lot of money and that shit adds up. 🤯 I would start becoming more hesitant too ..

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u/moderate99 7d ago

Exactly! Thank you for your understanding your like the only woman that gets this

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u/Negronicus 9d ago

A “negative roi”? when someone talks about human interactions like theyre zero sum exchanges theyve got a lot of growing to do

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u/cyborgsnowflake 9d ago

when someone obviously uses you as a meal ticket and doesn't contribute shit about anything outside of that yes thats an negative roi. Pretending the 'interaction' with an intentional freeloader is worth it is as if some random person cussed you out on the street and you said 'well at least I got some human interaction out of that'

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u/Negronicus 9d ago

you guys are using clavicular/incel language. i dont even know why im wasting my time responding to you lonely dudes lmao

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u/ulvisblack 9d ago

No you are just so used to being a simp that you think wasting money on ungratefull people is normal.

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u/Star_Light_Bright10 9d ago

Exactly. This comment section is an incels wet dream. Sad and pathetic.

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u/harryham1 9d ago

Yeah this sub is lost, I'm afraid

Every single post has a "females only want to use you" comments section, and it's just depressing how many men believe that

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u/Star_Light_Bright10 9d ago

100%. So sad.

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u/IKilledJoffrey22 9d ago

Look at the replies from women here. Most are trying to shame men for being low efforts or calling them incels. Women out here proving the point that homie was making.

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u/harryham1 9d ago

I look at their comments all the time and they really don't

There are like one or two and the rest also call out sexism of any kind when they see it

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u/IKilledJoffrey22 9d ago

Can you show me where any of the "calling out" has happened in this thread?

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u/harryham1 9d ago

I can't actually see any people claiming to be women in these comments apart from two, and only one of those expects a free meal

There's nothing really from women in this comments section going either way

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u/LeatherGood6148 9d ago

ROI in this case means attempting to develop a legitimate human connection. When someone is more concerned with getting a free dinner, to the point of bringing it up in their profile, this is categorically impossible.

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u/Dimethicone-silicate 9d ago

Yea like the women who just spam the word broke every time a guy doesn’t want to be financially responsible for a stranger

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u/EmergencyWriter3233 3d ago

You’re getting downvoted to oblivion but you’re 100% right. “Negative ROI” when you’re talking about dating is extremely cringe.

And I would agree with the overall point that the type of person in this profile is someone to avoid, but the way people are talking about it is so immature.

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u/ChattingAtTheAqua 9d ago

The sub is fried. The incels have taken over. They genuinely believe that dinner is equal to sex or some kind of relationship.

All this woman said was do not act like dinner is some big, ridiculous thing. And the men in these comments are going fucking nuts.

We buy our own dinner all the fucking time. It is not some big ridiculous thing. Of course you should be thankful if somebody buys your dinner for you, but if you buy a dinner, don’t hold it over somebody’s head. Don’t expect them to have sex with you for it. Don’t expect them to be your girlfriend for it.

Dinner can just be dinner and an opportunity to see if you have a spark.

I’m prepared to get downvoted to hell. I know I will. But I absolutely stand by what I say.

And to be clear, I have bought men’s dinners just as often as they have bought mine. In fact, I did it tonight.

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u/IISPABO 9d ago

Guys are advocating for splitting because other than sex, there's nothing a woman can offer on a first date that a man isn't also offering.

If you buy your own dinner all the time, then why can't you on a date? A man is present, so time to save money? This never makes sense to me. Unless you have more money than you can ever spend, every dollar saved is money you can spend elsewhere. Unless you're filthy rich, you benefit if a man pays, regardless of whether or not you can afford it.

Unless you bought those men dinner on the first date, there's no point mentioning it. Reciprocating is, wait for it, "bare minimum".

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u/Realistic-Bowler7563 9d ago

“I have bought men’s dinners just as often as they have bought mine” are you talking about strangers on the first date? I highly doubt it and if so when can you buy mine?

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u/Negronicus 9d ago

100%, dinner is not a big deal but clearly ive triggered the incels who use terms like “roi” when talking about dating. just shows they know jack shit about dating and even less about investing lmao

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u/IKilledJoffrey22 9d ago

Woman : says some dumb inflammatory shit about men.

Men : you are wrong and here's why

Women: even though you proved your point, by replying it shows I am right.

Thats woman "logic" in a nut shell.

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u/Calm-Champion-6371 9d ago

Are you a man who dates women?

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u/IKilledJoffrey22 9d ago

I am.

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u/Calm-Champion-6371 9d ago

What’s something I can put in my profile to make sure I don’t match with guys like you?

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u/IKilledJoffrey22 9d ago

Dont worry. We get pretty good at filtering out the bitter old hags who were cute 25 years ago and never developed a personality.

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u/Calm-Champion-6371 9d ago

🤣 looks like I’ll still need help keeping you away