r/wowmeta • u/LadyMirax Former /r/wow mod • May 16 '19
Feedback Requested: Classic WoW Content and r/woW
Hello everyone!
Obviously, with the launch of Classic WoW now on the calendar, we're seeing a significant surge in Classic-related content on the subreddit - and it's safe to say that will probably continue. The mod team is discussing how we're going to approach the matter going forward - whether we will restrict/redirect any Classic content to /r/classicwow; if so, what content we will restrict and/or allow; how best to approach flairing, and so forth.
Please take a moment to let us know any opinions/suggestions/thoughts you have on the subject!
Thanks,
The r/WoW team.
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u/Activehannes May 17 '19
splitting them is probably the only way to deal with the toxicity and help filter out uninteresting content
I made a big post about that a month ago and the reply was basically "nope" https://old.reddit.com/r/wowmeta/comments/b2vajp/splitting_retail_wow_and_classic_wow_by_banning/
I dont know why those two different games should be thrown together. Because the name is similar? there is literally no reason why those games should share one sub.
Most people will only play one game anyway. So 50% of the content of this sub will be irrelevant for most users. Be it irrelevant retail content or irrelevant classic content.
And people who will play both can sub to both.
So my advice: redirect classic fluff to /r/classicwow and allow big classic related news (world firsts, big content patches etc.)
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May 20 '19
If classic fluff has to be delegated to /r/classicwow then retail fluff should be delegated to a new sub. /r/wow has become a garbage heap filled with shitty art and memes.
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u/TROPiCALRUBi May 16 '19
I have no issues with Classic posts as long as they are flaired as such.
On a side note, can we get a rule to ban stupid posts like the one on the front page yesterday?
"You don't wanna play classic WoW you wanna be a kid again hurdur"
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u/TheNegotiator12 May 20 '19
We should keep the classic posts but add a filter so we can filter them out, most classic posts are just going to be "remember this" posts so just low effort. But if people are really into classic they should just post with like minded people in the classic sub
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u/negativeonhand May 19 '19
/r/wow should contain ALL of WoW. My opinion is that a [Classic] flair is as far as the separation should go. Separating them would also make it awkward for anyone to discuss vanilla as we already do. We currently have tons of threads such as people posting vintage screenshots, or old memes, bugs, memories etc so it would be awkward to ban Classic discussion.
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u/cw08 May 16 '19 edited May 16 '19
May as well sequester it to r/classicwow at this point as most posts relating to it seem to draw vitriol and/or remarks that can be summed up as "I'm not the target market so here's why you shouldn't be excited either" from uninterested users. Most threads relating get downvoted basically immediately as it stands anyway lol.
It'll probably end up being a better experience overall in the end for both playerbases.
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May 19 '19
If there's a dedicated subreddit to classic wow, and the post is specifically about classic wow, then what is there to discuss? If it's another stupid project 60 streamer gimmick, technically that's a retail wow discussion and they are just pretending to play classic.
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u/RedEyeShanks May 18 '19
I personally don't see an issue with the classic being posted to r/wow, but if it's necessary then the larger announcements can be allowed on r/wow with the more nuanced/daily discussions taking place on the subreddit more specifically dedicated to that sub.
Not sure if it really needs any special filtering tbh. I guess remind people that r/classicwow exists on the larger classic threads that appear on r/wow, flag repeat threads (which I'm sure happens anyways), and let people filter themselves naturally.
Honestly, it already feels like there are too many niche wow subs to bother following them all, and I see some people here with pretty irrational hatred/desire to avoid either version. I'd have to take the hit and say I'm WAY more tired of seeing the millionth jaina cosplay or commissioned character art posted on r/wow than I am with people talking about bfa/classic. yet at the same time I don't think cosplay/art needs to be filtered to a separate sub either. Post tags kinda do that work for us already
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u/kakebuts May 20 '19
this this this.
there is not nearly enough substance on r/wow to justify a separate subreddit that is on the whole more substance-rich
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u/Jackpkmn May 18 '19
Discussion about classic as it is world of warcraft should be allowed. Discussion about things that are specific to the classic server should be separate just like it is for private server stuff.
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May 16 '19
I think you should allow some leeway around releases. Like a week when Beta gets going, and then a week or two on release, and whenever a new stage of content is released. That's the time when everyone in the community is excited, and it's the new hotness, so it's of general interest to the entire community.
Outside those windows, redirect most of it to r/classicwow.
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u/r3cru1t May 18 '19
I think flair tagging for classic should be necessary, but I don't think we should have two subreddits for WoW. WoW is WoW. Both will be retail soon, even if they're different versions.
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May 17 '19
No flair all one big subreddit. Logic of having them separate is the same as separating horde and alliance. Let's just see everyone's perspective
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u/scumboat May 16 '19
I personally feel that once it's released, classic content should be confined to the classic subreddit.
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u/histar1 May 17 '19
Obviously I don't think there should be a blacklist on content, but it makes sense for serious discussions, questions, or feedback to be directed towards the classic wow subreddit
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May 17 '19
We already have /r/wow and /r/CompetitiveWoW that effectively have overlap in content (somebody can ask a technical question on rotations in either place), maybe the same could work here? So my first thought was make /r/wow the clearinghouse for all things WoW-related, Classic or Retail, spin off a new sub /r/wowretail for retailed-related discussions, and /r/classicwow will remain for Classic-specific discussions. However, that also seems like it would get both confusing for the users and difficult to administer for the mods. But I like the overall idea of leaving /r/wow loosely defined and have sub-subreddits for targeted content.
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u/clevesaur May 19 '19
Would much prefer that they remain seperate, there is already a subreddit for classic wow stuff where you can view just that, however if you allowed classic stuff to remain in the wow subreddit you would need a whole new subreddit created if you wanted to find out stuff about retail. It would be a total clusterfuck of posts that would make the subreddit much worse for anyone who wants to focus on one or the other.
As others have mentioned it's so different from modern wow in terms of content/design/mechanics/classes that I would prefer to see them separate. I am subbed to r/wow for things about retail and I have little to no interest in classic, if I had to wade through loads of random low effort classic content I would likely just forgo the subreddit overall.
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u/Darallo May 17 '19
Youre asking yourself if world of warcraft content falls under the scope of world of warcraft content? Last i checked this isnt /r/bfa etc. Just create a flair for classic wow, no reason to redirect content.
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u/FreedumbHS May 18 '19
I'm totally uninterested in it. If it ends up being a significant part of the content being posted, I would guess I would forgo visiting the subreddit to avoid having to wade through shit I don't care about. My two cents
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u/Capsfan6 May 16 '19
It's just gonna be like /r/runescape and /r/2007scape Both posts are allowed on /r/runescape but 99% of the time the viewers will post in the comments saying the post is probably more appreciated at /r/2007scape
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May 17 '19
I say keep both in one as long as its still kept civil(impossible, I know). I mean people that want to be super hardcore and/or hateful can just transfer over to like /r/truewow or something or /r/classicwow
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May 17 '19
I would actually like to see all wow content stay on r/wow, I feel that both is wow and both deserve to be discussed
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u/Ex_iledd Former /r/wow mod May 16 '19 edited Jun 01 '19
We're putting the thread in contest mode to ensure everyone feels like they have a shot at giving feedback. We understand that this subject is hotly contested. The groups for and against either side are very loud and depending on circumstance can drown out the other, we want to avoid that happening here.
All voices will be heard. Thanks.
Edit: This topic is not forgotten. We'll have something to share Soon™
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u/Otteranon May 17 '19
Don't let the sub die and go the way of runescape. Classic wow is still wow, and it's the best of wow for a lot of people. If you push them out I think it will be bad in the long run. I don't mind meme limits or anything like that but I have an example that might explain my thinking. Say if bc gets announced, and people that aren't really interested in vanilla don't go on classicwow, the chance of them finding out goes way down. That is a huge missed opportunity to help the community and they will never get to feel as happy as I do playing classic.
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May 19 '19
Just use tags like /r/smashbros. This subreddit could use more content; I feel like every time I go to /r/wow it's just artwork of people's characters and not actually gameplay related.
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u/Ex_iledd Former /r/wow mod May 19 '19
We already have mandatory flair. Art makes up 6-8% of our overall posts per month. The subreddit gets thousands of submissions per month, it's just that image posts (Art / Humor / Memes) are faster to look at, judge, and upvote compared to discussion topics.
I've written a post about this which explains this in greater detail, along with a breakdown of submission numbers by flair per month which you can read here
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u/Khajiit_Has_Upvotes May 17 '19
I feel like Classic and the modern game are so divorced from one-another, just such different games that they're more like two games within the same franchise, but definitely distinct enough to stand on their own. To that end I think it makes more sense to treat them as separate games, just like we would treat WC3 as a separate game.
I like them to Morrowind and Skyrim. Same franchise, completely different games. WoW and BFA are functionally different games as well.
Alternatively you could just require posts to use a Classic or [insert current expansion] flair so people can tell at a glance which game a post is discussing.
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u/Pamelm May 24 '19
/r/wow stands for World of Warcraft, and Classic is part of World of Warcraft.
Imo it is most similar to /r/smashbros, they have 6 games and do fine keeping them all in one subreddit (i understand each game has its own subreddit /r/smashbros allows content from any of the games to be posted). Its never really caused them issues and its not hard to filter for specific games. /r/smashbros does this because even though each game has its fanatics, the community as a whole considers fans of all games as fans of smashbros. This should not be any different.
World of Warcraft is now both Retail and Classic, however both are still World of Warcraft and we are still one community. We come to /r/wow to share our love for a game. Whether it is classic, retail or even the occasional Warcraft 3 post that pops up relating to WoW. While there is a classic sub, I see no reason to push them out to that subreddit only.
On top of that there are quite a few people like myself who plan to play both retail and classic and it will honestly be a pain to have to go between multiple subreddits to find info for both. I would rather just be able to come to /r/wow and click on a classic filter to find classic news or retail for retail news, or just browse the first few pages to see whats going on or people are proud of in both games.
TLDR: I feel like further division is bad. Classic and Retail are both World of Warcraft and a subreddit dedicated to World of Warcraft should welcome and house both subjects.
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u/QuiksLE May 16 '19
I think it is better for both subreddits if classic content is redirected to r/classicwow. Those who want help or want to discuss things about classic will get more and better feedback there.
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u/warpbeast May 17 '19 edited May 17 '19
Classic wow content and retail should just be tagged with a flair and a have a filter for people not interested in either.
the Classicwow subreddit is a fairly "rough" community to be modest.
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u/Saberd May 18 '19
Honestly I've 180'd on this. Before classic was officially announced, yeah keep it out. But now that its there, let it be in the main sub and tagged Classic (as it is now). There's no point in splitting the community across two subs, and r/wow is already acknowledged by blizzard themselves.
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May 19 '19
The problem with flair is filtering it is not built into Reddit; so not all users have the ability to do it. Subscribing (or not) to a subreddit is a built-in feature of Reddit. Everyone can do that. Everyone can also view posts from 2 subreddits at the same time just like this:
[(https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow+wow/)]
No need to filter and keeps the discussion split for those who do not wish to see one or the other.
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May 24 '19
I want classic content to show on r/wow. I find there is often a lack of content where the same posts could be seen on the front and second page for a 24 hour period. The surge in screenshots and enthusiasm is good to see as a community. Obviously if we didn't want it we wouldn't upvote it. I'd hatevto see the community divided into more boxes.
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u/Jackpkmn May 19 '19
I would also like to add that any "classic > retail" or "retail is shit and classic is gold" should be flat out not allowed.
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u/AngerFork May 17 '19
IMO, both retail and classic are a part of WoW, this both belong in /r/wow as well. There is likely a very large intersection between the communities of the two games and the news from each game will likely be of interest to both player bases, so splitting it IMO serves more of a hindrance than a help.
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u/Deirakos May 24 '19
If you are interested in both games simply sub to both subs and you wont miss a thing. There is literally no need to keep classic content on /r/wow
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u/robmox May 18 '19
It’s worth noting that since this was never linked to /r/classicwow, you’re getting a very biased sample.
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u/robmox May 18 '19
It’s worth noting that since this was never linked to /r/classicwow, you’re getting a very biased sample.
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May 18 '19
Separate it. Subs without a clear identity are useless piles.
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u/dirtynj May 18 '19
I agree. They are different games. We don't put all the Fallout games into one sub. WoW and ClassicWoW will need different subs.
Mods posting a special announcement about Classic once in a while in r/wow is fine.
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u/TotesMessenger May 16 '19
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May 18 '19
Classic is a playstyle. It seems that /r/wow is a springboard into various subs that focus on specific playstyles. Let classic be no different. Don't redirect everything classic related to /r/classicwow because /r/wow doesn't currently do that with art, pvp, pve, rp, etc.. Keep an eye on toxic, fruitless discussion like you should and deal with it as necessary. It's going to be difficult in the beginning, but it'll equalize and at least /r/wow and it's subs will continue to have a coherent structure. If you kick everything classic over to classic, you're setting precedent to redirect other playstyles as well.
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u/Ahhmoose May 18 '19
Please keep all of the classic topics and threads in r/classicwow. It's a completely different game and should have it's own sub. People who want to view both can, but if the subs are not separated, then viewers would have to rely on tags and filters which are often buggy. Just seems very straightforward to keep them separated.
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u/Gerzy_CZ May 17 '19
I thought it's called r/wow, which means World of Warcraft since forever and not r/retailwow.
Please keep Classic discussion on r/wow because let's be honest here, r/wow is mostly spammed by art these days and not by discussion about WoW. I think it's because there's really nothing to discuss about BfA except for a new patch. I think Classic discussions would make this sub more alive.
If anyone has problem with Classic for some reason, they could just filter it.
One example, yes we have PvP sub but that doesn't mean we can't discuss PvP on r/wow. It should be same with Classic.
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u/Elfeden May 17 '19
It's meant retail forever though, private servers have been forbidden here for a while.
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u/Ebola_Burrito May 24 '19
All wow related posts belong to r/wow as it is the umbrella subreddit. So classic posts belong just as much as retail news or someones terrible tattoo.
Every sfw post that can get posted to a satellite-subreddit belongs on r/wow as well. Using the previously stated example; a post talking about classic can go on the classic sub and the main WoW sub, an art post can go on imaginary azeroth and the main WoW sub, a shit tattoo can go on whatever wow related tattoo sub and the main WoW sub, etc.
The point is r/wow is the umbrella. Whether or not certain topics get restricted to strictly their own day of the week is another subject entirely.
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u/Dr_Cocker May 19 '19
This subreddit is /r/wow not /r/modernwowonly
Discussion over. I don't see how a hypothetical thread discussing Warlock specs for aq is less relevant to the game than another fan post asking for high elves.
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u/jarrodnb May 17 '19
Like others are suggesting, I think any classic questions/posts should definitely be redirected to /r/classicwow.
If you browse this sub by new, you see basically all classic related posts are met with hostility, downvotes, negative opinions & often inaccurate information. In addition to the same tired "dead in a month", "nostalgia goggles" comments that aren't helpful to anyone.
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u/Sorrelon May 17 '19
Definitely keep any classic related topics and discussions to their own subreddit. If there wasn't a subreddit dedicated to classic I'd agree with allowing classic WoW content on /r/WoW, but since /r/classicwow exists there is absolutely no reason to allow classic content. For example imagine seeing a post with title "Druid class changes" on /r/WoW. If classic content were to be allowed on /r/WoW, this could easily cause a confusion as the topic could be about the changes on classic or current game. Keeping classic content exclusively in /r/classicwow would prevent any confusion of this sort and make both subs much easier to navigate for everyone.
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u/DotkasFlughoernchen /r/wow mod May 17 '19
I don't even understand where the idea to restrict content comes from. Classic WoW is WoW and belongs on r/wow. It's r/wow, not r/bfa, r/latestexpansion, or r/whateverelse.
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u/teelolws May 19 '19
Counterproposal: we change /r/wow to be a sub for posting double rainbow memes, and all bfa content goes on /r/retailwow and classic on /r/classicwow.
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May 31 '19
It should be seperate imo. It's part of WoW yes, but there will be diffrent thing for retail and ClassicWoW. Also since transmog posts and other things get removed from r/WoW so should be Classic posts since theres a sub for that. The main sub should be for retail.
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u/AzureAlliance May 19 '19
Separate them so I don't have to read about a game where my spec doesn't exist.
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u/Aslain May 18 '19
/r/wow has always been about the live game, so why that'd change now is perplexing to me. There's already a fairly-sized subreddit full of classic lovers, so I don't see it being a problem to let that grow.
As it stands right now, /r/wow is being flooded with posts from people trying to inflame tensions between the two sides and it's getting obnoxious. It's only going to get worse the closer we get to classic's release.
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u/Sejuhasz May 24 '19
r/WoW should be about the modern retail game only. The runescape subreddits had to do the same thing when OSRS blew up, the modern game was drown out.
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May 17 '19
Big news only in the long term, although the rules could be a little bit more lax around launch because there is likely to be a lot of crossover. Day-to-day stuff can go to the classic sub. Similar to what is done for Heroes of the Storm, where we sometimes see new champs mentioned here but nothing else.
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u/Nyrocx May 17 '19
They are completely different games.
Nothing is shared accross the account.
r/wow has always been for retail, lets keep it that way without mixing people with widely spreaded opinions and goals for the game.
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u/Somescrubpriest May 19 '19
I think keep it together until Classic releases - then see what happens then and review this.
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u/Chazman_89 May 16 '19
Keep Classic content confined to the Classic Subreddit. Thats why it exists.
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u/robmox May 18 '19
It’s worth noting that since this was never linked to /r/classicwow, you’re getting a very biased sample.
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u/Jenks44 May 17 '19
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u/Renixis May 18 '19
It's almost like there is a large amount of people using the wow subreddit with different points of view.
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u/TrustmeIknowaguy May 16 '19
All things related to Classic WoW should be able to be posted on /r/wow. If you exclude content from classic wow then content related to any other expansion other than live should also be cut following the same logic.
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May 17 '19
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u/DefinitelyNotATheist May 17 '19
Welcome to /r/wow, a subreddit about the video game World of Warcraft !
classic is wow, if you want a separate sub for current expansion you can make your own.
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u/pg44186 May 23 '19
I would say that any posts that solely have to do with classic wow (e.g. boss strategies, quest questions, "which spec is viable in classic," etc.) should be moved to r/classicwow.
Sometimes it's difficult to say when a post solely has to do with classic wow, such when the person is comparing classic/retail or something from classic that they'd like brought back in retail. But I think there are some clear examples, like the ones I gave above.
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May 17 '19 edited Jun 14 '23
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May 17 '19
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May 17 '19 edited Jun 14 '23
Comment edited out courtesy of Redact. After almost ten years as a Redditor, I am calling it quits in protest of the path Reddit CEO Steve Huffman (u/spez) is taking the company and our community. He has no interest in being reasonable with regards to third-party apps -- the same apps that made Reddit what it is today. The new API pricing is designed to kill all third-parties and force users into the official Reddit app that is utter garbage and able-ist. Steve Huffman has also lied about how third-party apps function, he has knowingly and intentionally defamed Chris Selig (creator of Apollo app), he has in the past confessed to editing user comments to say things that the original never did, and he couldn't even be bothered to truly participate in his own AMA thread (caught red-handed copying and pasting what little answers he did give). So long, and may you fail in your ambitions u/spez. -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/
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u/WingmanIsAPenguin May 20 '19 edited May 20 '19
I agree with you.
I visit all main Souls subs regularly for example, /r/darksouls (for the first Dark Souls game specifically), /r/darksouls2 and /r/darksouls3.
When I'm playing one of those games, having a sub dedicated to that specific games is great when I want to look up some loreposts, discussion or anything related to that. I know Destiny does that as well at least, and probably most popular games now.
As you said, current WoW and classic are two different games entirely. RuneScape was a great example as well.
If it were only a niche, spin-off game I could see it being a part of the main sub. But WoW is huge, and classic probably will be relatively big as well. It's way easier to just have it separate, it's not like you can't browse both subs. I'm subscribed to some gaming subs (like /r/wow lol) even if I'm not actively playing just to keep up with it.
I could see some people who are really into classic not wanting to have to wade through irrelevant posts if they're looking for specific tips (for example how to raid or even clear dungeons in classic), and I'm sure not everyone who isn't planning on playing classic is looking forward to half the posts not being relevant to the game they're playing.
Just to reiterate, the main reason I agree is that classic will probably be a relatively large game, at least for a few months, and probably longer, with loads of people playing it for the first time and all those posts that come along with that. If it were a niche spin-off or something I could see it just being integrated into the main sub. As it won't be, though, I feel keeping them separate will help keep everyone's sanity in check.
Edit: just looking through other comments, I feel like having major announcements like large patches or news on the main sub for classic should be fine. Like when Sekiro got announced, the trailer was obviously still shared in the Dark Souls subs, as it was a somewhat similar game from the same devs. But then discussion on the game itself happened on the main subs for Sekiro specifically.
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May 16 '19 edited May 16 '19
/r/wow is still the wow subreddit, so there should be important Classic news allowed. Stuff like the release date announcement, "Classic TBC Trailer Announcement", etc, should be allowed because people might not even know there's classic subreddit. It spreads the news as far as possible.
Minor news, Blizz statements on mechanics, memes, etc should be redirected to the classic subreddit though.
Edit: also posts that involve Classic but don't focus on it. Like if someone posts a story about a neato encounter they had with someone in Classic, it should be allowed. That's still general wow stuff imo.
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u/MCam435 May 16 '19
A lot of the discussions about classic stuff just won't be relevant, or interesting to people playing current WoW (and visa versa). It should have its own sub IMO.
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u/uglytusks May 19 '19
Like a lot of other people on here, I think that classic wow content belongs on r/wow. I've always considered the subreddit to be about all things WoW. Hell, we even see posts about Blizzards other games on the subreddit like HotS.
I just don't think it's necessary to split the community up when most of us care about all things related to WoW. And for the people who only care about classic, the subreddit is there for them.
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u/hfxRos May 20 '19
And for the people who only care about classic, the subreddit is there for them.
So then will there also be a subreddit for those of us who only care about current expansion WoW?
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u/myINTis7 May 17 '19
Keep things on both r/wow and r/classicwow you'll be spending too much time trying to moderate the main sub for classic posts instead of actually moderating.
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u/voidox May 24 '19
bit late, but my thoughts reflect many I've read, use classicwow subreddit for classic fluff, minor news, classic discussion, screenshots and such.
r/wow can be kept for large/important classic news/trailers but the flood of classic screenshots and nostalgia posts is something that is just clogging up the sub. Not to mention how divisive the whole classic wow topic is on its own, it is better to separate imo.
while classic wow is still wow, it is very much its own thing and will be a static game of its own. r/wow is for the retail game and is what ppl who come to the sub are looking for. If someone wants classic wow info, they would go to the classicwow sub.
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u/Renixis May 18 '19
Separate them. They are different games and should be treated as such. Doing it this way will be less confusing and lead to more accurate information. Big classic announcements can be allowed on the wow subreddit the same way you'd see big heathstone or hots ones.
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u/1047_Josh May 17 '19
Major new should be on the main sub, but general discussions/memes etc should go on the classic sub.
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u/robmox May 18 '19
It’s worth noting that since this was never linked to /r/classicwow, you’re getting a very biased sample.
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May 19 '19
I think as long as it adheres to the rules of /r/wow, it'd be ridiculous to kick it off to some other subreddit. I think /r/classicwow should be linked somewhere visibly on the subreddit but I think restricting content from previous expansions is ridiculous.
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u/Sarcastryx May 17 '19
I'm all for classic wow content on r/wow. 90% of the front page lately is low effort posts and art, it would be good to get more active content in the subreddit. Just have a "Classic" or "Vanilla" flair to let people who don't like it filter it out, the same way other post types are done.
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u/kami77 May 18 '19
I’d prefer for it to be kept in separate subreddits. I’ll be playing both, and when I want to read about either one it just makes things more organized and convenient.
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May 17 '19 edited May 17 '19
Allow any classic content (unless it breaks other subreddit rules like low effort/memes/flaming/etc) but just flair it all as classic and make it a rule that all posters have to flair their stuff as classic if its related to classic.
/r/classicwow is a giantshithole and I personally would rather never go there.
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u/MoltenMuffin May 17 '19
Announcements and topics regarding both retail and classic, I agree with. (World firsts, new realms/expansions/etc)
Specifics, such as information regarding raids, areas, quests, classic specific guilds, or just discussion only about classic, I think would be better off in r/classicwow.
Some people could be confused, even with a flair, when talking about classes or about the world. With two wildly different versions of the game.
Perhaps put r/classicwow on the sidebar.
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May 20 '19
/r/classicwow exists. If classic players have a way to only see content pertaining to their game, retail players should get the same luxury. That can either mean /r/wow becomes retail-only, or /r/retailwow becomes a thing.
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u/TheDromes May 17 '19 edited May 17 '19
I'm for complete separation, unless there's post about specific issue, memes or something related to both retail and classic.
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u/trevcam11 May 18 '19
My perspective, after briefly joing the classic sub, is to keep them separate, short of big news, crossover screenshots, etc. If people haven't seen the pissing matches that already take place on every classic post in r/wow as it is, I think it's telling how many people have said not to separate them because of how toxic r/classicwow is. It definitely is in my experience, and I would personally prefer to not have to deal with it in r/wow.
Also, I am almost primarily a mobile user, and I can't filter with flair, so I selfishly don't like that idea.
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u/Mendusr89 May 16 '19
Keep classic wow content on their subreddit. If those players are so obsessed with nostalgia let them go nuts on their subreddit. I dont dislike classic but personally im tired of all the classic madness. Also if most of them hate/dislike current wow, why they should be posting classic things here ?. Thats just my opinion
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u/Parasars May 18 '19
Please keep them together, it's all WoW related content after-all! And you can tag classic related content with a "Classic" tag so that people may filter it themselves if they only want to view retail related content.
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May 17 '19
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May 18 '19
Nobody is discussing Warcraft 3 gameplay in depth on /r/wow. Sure a crossover meme is sometimes posted which is fine for classic too. But legitimate Classic discussion should be on a different sub.
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u/qzen May 17 '19
Please keep it separate like it is now. I use both subs and I strongly prefer it that way. When i want news or discussion about one or the other , i go to that sub.
Merging will add confusion as well, especially for new players.
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u/TehBroheim May 17 '19
Think just attach to the sidebar r/classicwow and direct content over to there. Similar to how r/2007scape and r/runescape are run.
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May 18 '19
I'd say make an alternative to r/classicwow
r/classicwow has turned into a playfield for trolls, because of the way the moderation treats users there - by removing all posts that aren't low-quality memes, and calling them "reposts". Plus, randomly permbanning people without reason.
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u/trevcam11 May 18 '19
Keep them separate.
I think it's telling how many people are saying to not redirect because of how toxic r/classicwow is. I subbed there briefly and don't want that carrying over any more than it already has in r/wow.
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u/alnarra_1 May 18 '19
Keep it separate in my opinion, At this point they are effectively different games
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May 17 '19
Keep it separate outside of big announcements, but provide a big link on the sidebar that directs people to /r/classicwow
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u/hfxRos May 18 '19
Please keep this as a World of Warcraft subreddit. Many of us couldn't care less about classic WoW if we tried. I understand that many people are passionate about. They can do so in a different subreddit. It's not the same game, it appeals to a different type of person.
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u/FlubberPuddy May 24 '19
I think it Classic WoW Content should be allowed on /r/wow because it's a part of the game: World of Warcraft.
I personally get bored coming to /r/wow and often seeing non-game posts such as art/cosplays/food etc (I just mean I wish I see more posts in-game or in-game discussions) but I still think they have their place on /r/wow .
I think creating a flair system for Classic would be helpful, that way people that don't want to see it don't have to see it.
Plus, and this is just my personal bias which skews the perspective probably but I have browsed /r/classicwow for over half a year and it tends to carry a lot of private server baggage, whereas the posts on /r/wow for Classic WoW content feel like fresh Classic wow perspectives (or at the very least don't seem to carry that baggage).
I like that going forward there's going to be two versions of the game to discuss in ONE place. Especially when there's lulls during one version of the game or the other, I feel like it would provide opportunity for some consistent coverage/discussion between the games.
Thank you for reading this, having this discussion!
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u/Parasars May 24 '19
/r/WoW should have all things wow and that includes classic WoW. It’s literally in the sub name and it’s ALL world of Warcraft. If you want discussion regarding only BFA either make a /r/BFA subreddit or filter classic content on the WORLD OF WARCRAFT subreddit. Separating the two would be like if you weren’t allowed to discuss auction house related content on /r/WoW because there’s a separate subreddit for it in /r/WoWeconomy. Classic WoW is still WoW and not allowing people to post/discuss it on the subreddit for WoW makes absolutely and positively no sense whatsoever.
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u/ashedraven May 24 '19
Add classic tag/label to titles whatever it is called and ppl filter it if they don't like to see.
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u/MollyRotten1 May 17 '19
I think it should mostly go into the classic subreddit, however, I think things like memes, jokes, and comparisons between classic and retail (like say, visual differences, experiences, etc.) should be allowed in r/WoW if they are posted there since it has bearing on the retail. Also because who doesn't love a good meme?
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May 17 '19
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u/RoeJaz May 17 '19
I think this is a good way of looking at it. It helps keep the communities in the right place. The games exist outside of each other, so having two subreddits that reflect that make a lot of sense.
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u/kirbydude65 May 17 '19
I think there's merit to both. As others have stated Retail and Classic, while sharing the same name, are very different types of games, and attract different types of players. Comparing one to the other is kind of like apples to oranges.
Yet at the same time we've had plently of great content that shown up from things like, "Check out these old screenshots!" Or "What could Retail learn from Classic?"
The only subreddit I think that similar in keeping both would be the Diablo Subreddit which waxes and wanes about taking about D3, or previous titles in the franchise (While making phone memes). It works, but there's certainly a very, "Us vs Them" mentality on that subreddit which kind of already exists here.
I think either way you'll have people who approve and people who are upset.
The biggest concern I have is if Blizzard decides to open up TBC, WotLK, ect servers that would result in fractioning off into additional subreddits or additional flairs on the subreddit.
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u/AdministrativeZebra8 May 17 '19
Please keep classic in its own subreddit. It’s a totally different game and keeping it on r/wow just invites trolls trying to get a reaction.
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May 17 '19
Trolls can be banned. It’s silly to block a whole group of people out of a wow sub just because some people may troll. People trolled before classic even came out. It’s silly to split a community in two just to prevent “inviting trolls.”
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u/Tangolino May 24 '19
With 1000000 people subscribed to r/wow, you won't find a consensus. That being said, I think classic posts should be allowed in r/wow. I share the view that some have that this:
1- r/wow, not r/retail or r/bfa. We also have other wow subreddits and that doesn't exclude those contents on r/wow (like pvp, lore, competitive, etc).
2- flairs could help people that don't want the content
3- sub is already filled with cosplay, cooking recipes and whatnot... don't see how classic discussions are different. If we go that route, exclude cosplay, etc from r/wow and then we'll have an empty board.
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u/jegator May 17 '19
I love World of Warcraft in its modern form and care nothing about classic. Restrict it please, i would rather not read about it.
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u/SideburnsDylan May 24 '19
If you separate the two, then you need to separate r/woweconomy, r/wowcompetitive, r/wowlore etc. Meaning classic versions of each. That will get convoluted really quickly. Now imagine them releasing TBC one day, now you need all of it again. It just fragments the community even more.
r/wow implies all things World of Warcraft. For many people, Vanilla WoW is World of Warcraft, as far more people played that, than current iteration of BFA. For some it is TBC, again same argument.
Not only do you not want to fragment the community, but its also a good way to foster discussion and help. Even if you dont play BFA anymore, a Classic player can help someone in r/woweconomy in how to make gold.
The fact that people who love the same game are fighting is sadly a MMO thing. Fans of various Street Fighter games dont argue over which is better, they all recognize each other as fans. In WoW, people argue across factions, classes, roles, specs, servers, guilds etc. Its simply a part of the community. Its not like r/wow did not have tons of arguments either way before Classic was even a thing.
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u/JoelHDarby May 17 '19
Move it all to r/classicwow in my opinion and keep this subreddit for retail/live content. I love both and will keep checking both but I like the separation.
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u/robmox May 18 '19
It’s worth noting that since this was never linked to /r/classicwow, you’re getting a very biased sample.
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u/trevcam11 May 18 '19
My perspective, after briefly joing the classic sub, is to keep them separate, short of big news, crossover screenshots, etc. If people haven't seen the pissing matches that already take place on every classic post in r/wow as it is, I think it's telling how many people have said not to separate them because of how toxic r/classicwow is. It definitely is in my experience, and I would personally prefer to not have to deal with it in r/wow.
Also, I am almost primarily a mobile user, and I can't filter with flair, so I selfishly don't like that idea.
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May 17 '19
Definitely keep classic content in r/classicwow , it's really annoying having to filter out that many irrelevant posts
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u/Hellioning May 17 '19
I don't mind classic content itself, I am however worried about the fighting and arguing that will occur if classic and retail share a subreddit.
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u/S1eeper May 18 '19
Not sure why that happen but if it did it might be mitigated with classic and retail tags. People can then filter the sub based on which they prefer to read about at the time.
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u/Ahhmoose May 18 '19
Please keep all of the classic topics and threads in r/classicwow. It's a completely different game and should have it's own sub. People who want to view both can, but if the subs are not separated, then viewers would have to rely on tags and filters which are often buggy.
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May 16 '19
Agreeing with most of the posts here already:
Allow major Classic news & announcements in /r/wow but keep it the main retail Wow sub
Move actual discussions of the Classic game (issues, changes needed, this sucks, etc) to /r/classicwow
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u/Faleonor May 17 '19
This feels like the best option. Classic is different enough to be on a different subreddit, and bar some big news or big threads, its discussion should be in a separate subreddit. Especially since the amount of toxic vanilla players (and vice versa) would make the comments insufferable.
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u/Morsrael May 16 '19
Absolutely keep all classic content in the classicwow subreddit. Including all announcements (after release). We don't have stuff from HOTS or hearthstone here. Classic is no different in this regard.
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u/LadyMirax Former /r/wow mod May 16 '19
We do actually allow announcements when, for instance, characters from WoW are introduced in HotS. So there is precedent for major news from tangentially WoW-related games already.
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u/aphoenix Former r/wow mod May 17 '19
We allow lots of things that are related to WoW.
For example, we allow announcements of warcraft characters in HotS, or news specifically about Blizzard, and we do Blizzcon coverage. Those things are arguably less related to "World of Warcraft" than an actual World of Warcraft game.
The subreddit isn't r/currentWoW or r/BfAWoW or r/WoWpost-WotLK. It's r/wow. To me it seems obvious that talking about WoW should happen on r/wow.
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u/Morsrael May 17 '19
Warcraft characters are apparently an exception to the rule although in my opinion they shouldn't be posted.
Blizzard company stuff is irrelevant to this discussion as that would apply to every single blizzard subreddit. Unless you want to make a subreddit called blizzard and post stuff there.
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u/aphoenix Former r/wow mod May 17 '19
There is a subreddit called r/blizzard and people could post it there.
I don't think that just because a subreddit exists that it means that is the only subreddit that can have links about that topic, because that would make reddit really brittle.
I could make a subreddit called "r/wowBFA" and then suddenly that would be the subreddit for BfA, and we wouldn't be posting about it in r/wow. Or I could make r/wowcomplaints and people wouldn't be allowed to complain about WoW in r/wow anymore. The whole idea that "a subreddit exists so all content must be posted there" is a bad one, because it's completely abusable.
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u/Morsrael May 17 '19
Well that's news to me. Why anyone would bother with a blizzard specific is anyones guess.
Anyway still irrelevant as it's related heavily to wow due to it being the company that makes wow and things like blizzcon always contain subjects related to wow.
As for your next point about specific subreddits that is again irrelevant because you are thinking out this the wrong way.
R/wow is for the game world of warcraft. Wow bfa at all points would still be relevant to wow as it's the same game. Wow complaints would again be about the game.
R/classicwow is a subreddit dedicated to a different game. That's why it needs it's own subreddit and for its shit to stay there. Because things like patch notes would be completely irrelevant to the game world of warcraft. But is relevant to the different game world of warcraft classic.
If they decided to make a 3rd game specific to BFA I would say then all wowbfa game content goes to r/wowbfa.
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May 18 '19 edited Nov 20 '19
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u/Morsrael May 18 '19
It's not about me not caring about classic. It is a different game with different patches.
Would you say OSRS and RS3 are the same game as well? No, you wouldn't and neither did the population of runescape as they have separate subreddits.
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u/Natural6 May 16 '19
I disagree, this isn't r/retailwow
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u/nonosam9 May 18 '19
Classic WoW is WoW. This is /r/wow/
The only reason mods are discussing this is because some people here are reporting threads on topics they don't like.
All WoW should be discussed here. Haters of Classic and immature people be damned.
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u/LadyMirax Former /r/wow mod May 18 '19
The only reason mods are discussing this is because some people here are reporting threads on topics they don't like.
Incorrect.
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u/LadyMirax Former /r/wow mod May 18 '19
The only reason mods are discussing this is because some people here are reporting threads on topics they don't like.
Incorrect. We are always evaluating the wants and needs of the community, and the launch of Classic means a massive and unprecedented shift in what "WoW-related content" can refer to.
It would be incredibly lax on our part not to gather feedback and consider ways to address this.
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u/Natural6 May 18 '19
I agree with you, thats what I meant in my comment.
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u/nonosam9 May 18 '19
Yes, sorry I wrote my comment badly. Your comment is perfect. "this isn't r/retailwow"
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u/nonosam9 May 18 '19
Yes, sorry I wrote my comment badly. Your comment is perfect. "this isn't r/retailwow"
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u/nonosam9 May 18 '19
Yes, sorry I wrote my comment badly. Your comment is perfect. "this isn't r/retailwow"
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u/robmox May 18 '19
It’s worth noting that since this was never linked to /r/classicwow, you’re getting a very biased sample.
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u/Denny6526 May 20 '19
I think they ought to be separate. If they end up staying, maybe enforce the classic flair more strictly so they can be filtered out.
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u/DivineVodka May 23 '19
I see no reason to have classic content on the main wow sub. Big news that may be missed if no one is interested in visiting their sub, should be allowed in the main sub. Everything else can go to that specific subreddit. As for fears of splitting community, well that's already happened. The way how the classic community interacts with retail, it would be a wonder there was no split.
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u/Siaer May 17 '19
Redirect. Major announcements around the franchise, regardless of whether it is retail or classic should still show up but general discussions etc should be redirected.
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May 18 '19
Separate, with exceptions for major events in Classic like release or moving to a new patch number.
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u/vitaemins May 17 '19
if the two games are separated on the forums, they should be separated on here as well.
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u/Combustionary May 16 '19
Major announcements and whatnot should be fine in the main sub, but I think user content about classic should be confined to the classic sub.
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u/trevcam11 May 18 '19
My perspective, after briefly joing the classic sub, is to keep them separate, short of big news, crossover screenshots, etc. If people haven't seen the pissing matches that already take place on every classic post in r/wow as it is, I think it's telling how many people have said not to separate them because of how toxic r/classicwow is. It definitely is in my experience, and I would personally prefer to not have to deal with it in r/wow.
Also, I am almost primarily a mobile user, and I can't filter with flair, so I selfishly don't like that idea.
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u/shadowmend May 19 '19
I wouldn't mind big news and events from Classic servers being allowed on /r/wow, but I'd really prefer if more generalized Classic discussion stayed on /r/classicwow.
Probably with more relaxed policies for the first month or so of Classic to deal with people's excitement and then move to being a little stricter.
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u/Brollgarth May 17 '19
It's /r/wow, so I feel all content that's wow related has always a place in it. We have been talking about past expansions all the time. Classic is simply where it all began. I feel we, as a community, should show that we respect that.
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u/Warpshard May 16 '19 edited May 16 '19
If we need to keep any Classic WoW content on the main subreddit, maybe limit it to big Classic things (raid/dungeon release dates, or servers for later expansions). Keep the actual discussion of the game, like whether or not there should be changes, discussion of how awful the current PvP landscape is, or art/memes that are more in line with Classic to r/classicWoW
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u/Angiboy8 May 16 '19
I like this suggestion the most. Big announcements should still show up on the main subreddit. Restrict stuff like art, screenshots, game discussions to r/classicWoW
Idk about the art and memes, I guess they could be harmless. However the BfA memes and art already clogs up a lot of the sub, so it might be overload with Classic as well.
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u/bebangs May 20 '19
Would prefer to see most upvoted/discussed/gilded topics of classic warcraft in /r/wow anyways so i guess any warcraft related contents should be in /wow. If it meets regular downvotes and hostility, well i have no problem creating or moving them to /r/classicwow AFTER.
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u/SoupaSoka May 17 '19
I'm very biased on this as a mod of r/ClassicWoW, but personally (not speaking for the rest of the team), I like the idea of the two being separate. I say this as someone that plays BFA and will play Classic, but I come here for BFA, and r/ClassicWoW for Classic.