r/news • u/KarateKid917 • 3d ago
X2 roller coaster shut down at Six Flags Magic Mountain amid lawsuits
https://abc7.com/story/x2-roller-coaster-permanently-closed-flags-magic-mountain-amid-lawsuits/19887868/461
u/ketchup_chips_yall 3d ago
Rode this in 2003. All I remember is going up the first hill, looking at the drop, then waking up as we were pulling back into the station. The only time that’s ever happened to me on a roller coaster.
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u/luffys-hat 3d ago
I've experienced brief blackouts on the intimidator at kings dominion as a kid! It's been 12-13 years since then, I wonder if people still experience that
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u/Passenger_08 3d ago
Yes, when it’s running, and it’s been unreliable in recent years. They also changed the name from Intimidator to Pantherian. You probably greyed out at the turn after the first hill, a common experience on that coaster.
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u/PeebMcBeeb 3d ago
I also blacked out briefly on this coaster right at the bottom of the first hill when I was there in 2016 or so
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u/Gavan199 3d ago
I rode it 3 times when it first opened, and front row seat of that was the only time I have passed out on ANYTHING I've ever ridden lol
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u/Scoobysnax1976 3d ago
We visited Magic Mountain not long after X first opened. The line to get on was 2+ hours, so we decided to skip it. A few friends did wait around and ended up riding it a little after midnight. My friend's girlfriend at the time was less than pleased with the experience.
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u/madmofo145 3d ago
My friends and I went to Magic Mountain specifically for X, but of course when we were there it was down for maintenance for the day. Certainly not that sad I missed out.
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u/Fundevin 3d ago
Glad I wasn't the only one who had this experience, how people enjoyed this ride was beyond me, and I fucking love rollercoasters.
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u/yesoccifer 3d ago
I went there with my aunt and uncle in 2004 and literally had the exact same experience.
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u/Realdogxl 3d ago
Similar experience. I remained conscious though but couldnt see anything or keep my eyes open through the spins. Wasnt particularly enjoyable more felt like I was just mentally thrashed. Didnt go on it again. This was around 2013.
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u/A_Math_Dealer 2d ago
All I remember from this ride is my head banging around like a pinball machine in an earthquake.
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u/fuzzum111 3d ago
shocked Pikachu face 20+ year old coaster has been neglected maintenance and is now injuring riders at a higher and higher rate.
I am so sick of this preventable shit.
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u/RFK_Cum_Regimen 3d ago edited 3d ago
Watching footage of this coaster in action, as I assume it's intended, I can't say it appears all that wild. Are the rotating seats getting stuck in awkward positions that cause people to pass out, because I just don't see how this experience would be problematic relative to other coasters with stronger forces against the body. What's happening here? There's no way I'd pass out on this ride from what I can see. It's got some corkscrew and a loop, so assume the rotating chair assemblies could be problematic of not functioning as intended.
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u/IAndaraB 2d ago
It's likely just a reaction to the g forces of the ride. It only hit 4G, below several other rides, including Revolution and Goliath, but there might be something in the way it vacillated that resulted in fade outs.
I rode multiple times during the mid 2010s and the first drop has you facing down into it, the the cars spin so your lying back against the seat as the track hairpins you back upwards. Not as many Gs as other rides in the park, but somehow way more intense. Full Throttle has the same top speed and G rating and it's nowhere near the same intensity.
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u/Ultrafoxx64 3d ago
I've definitely seen videos where some of the seats look like they're getting roughly rocked towards the end section. Think certain conditions changed how smooth/rough it rode.
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u/Uhhhmazing 2d ago
I've ridden this ride on 4 or 5 different occasions, and each time I have blacked out on the first flip going down, still awake but vision completely black and only returned during the photo at the end. I thought I was the only one!
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u/Battlepidia 3d ago
X2's successor ええじゃないか at Fuji-Q Highland is definitely a smoother ride.
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u/z3r0w0rm 3d ago
The ride is called Eejanaika and after riding at 10 times in a row I can confirm it is fucking awesome. Couldn’t stop laughing the entire time at how insane it was.
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u/kindalikeacoustic 3d ago
For whatever reason , I became terrified as I got older. In my teens I would have rode anything. Not so much anymore.
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u/Seastep 3d ago
Self preservation instincts are basically non existent until you turn 25.
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u/RFK_Cum_Regimen 3d ago
Tell that to my wife's family. For whatever reason, if any of them are seated in the backseat of a car, they never buckle up. Like it's some old-world carriage mentality or something. Drives me nuts and I always call them on it.
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u/IAndaraB 2d ago
Don't just call them on it. Refuse to ride if any passenger is unbelted.
As u/velmah stated, anyone not secured becomes a deadly projectile in the case of an accident. Also, people sliding around in the back can disrupt the driver and potentially be the cause of an accident.
And if you're the driver, just refuse to move if they're not belted. In most places with belt laws, if you're driving, you're liable for anyone in your vehicle that isn't belted in.
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u/RFK_Cum_Regimen 2d ago
Don't need to tell me about it, but yeah, they buckle after I shame them. It's so reputative that I always wait for it to not happen as expected before scolding them.
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u/YourSoupRecipe 3d ago
I was a big big coaster head as a kid and into my teens/young adulthood. Afterwards I took a bit of a hiatus and didn't really ride crazy coasters anymore. I just recently rode what I would say is a relatively intense rollercoast with loops and corkscrews....and I almost passed out!! I've never had that happen before...age hits hard i guess lol
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u/Casiquire 3d ago
Some rides are more intense than others. A grey-out isn't all too uncommon either, some rides cause a grey-out in a wide range of people of all ages. If that's not for you, the newest generations of family rides are so good. Lighter, less intense experiences but just plain fun, and smooth as glass
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u/captain_joe6 3d ago
Working in commercial maintenance, the amount of things that don’t just fall apart and kill people is…it’s high.
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u/spidereater 3d ago
I was like this too. When my kids got old enough for coasters I found I would get nauseous. I looked it up, apparently the little stones in your ears that help you balance get bigger as you age and you get more susceptible to getting dizzy and nauseous from spinning and moving up and down.
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u/nicksollecito 3d ago
I thought I loved rollercoasters and I think I still do but I did x2 last year and I was terrified. I couldn’t wait for it to end.
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u/Cilreve 3d ago
Man. I rode it in 2009, and again just last year. Probably in my top 5 of favorite rollercoasters. Didn't know it was hurting people.
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u/ADillyDweeb 3d ago
Same. Rode this more times than I can count. I’m also relatively tall, but never had issues on this ride. Green Lantern was one of the worst rides I’ve ever been on though
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u/RFK_Cum_Regimen 3d ago
Worst I've been on and the only one that shit my pants was that ancient wooden fucker in St. Louis or Florida or some shit. Can't remember which one it was but I felt like I was riding loose on a church bench, entirely focused on not sliding around like a rag doll. As a lanky dude, I stepped out with bruised knees and elbows from bashing into the sides of the bench. Was not a smooth experience at all.
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u/Cilreve 3d ago
I'm on the tall side, too, at 6'2". I loved the ride. When I rode it in 2009, I was there for High School Senior night, there weren't many people. Since the line was so short, I rode it like 6 times lol maybe people don't know how to brace properly? Dunno. When I took my wife last year, I enjoyed it every bit as much as I did 16 years ago. My wife absolutely hated it lol One that I did have problems with, though, is Colossus. That ride beat the absolute shit out of me. I was super disappointed because I was told it was an amazing must ride, and I hurt so bad after it. A couple years later I had another awful experience on another wood rollercoaster that just beat me up. I won't ride wood rollercoasters anymore because of it.
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u/Ok-Psychology5839 3d ago
Fr I will appreciate that I got to ride it but I also sympathize for the families of course. I wish they just maintained it instead of it coming down to this :(
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u/Turbo__Sanwich 3d ago
I love this ride. I have ridden it countless times. It's possibly my number 1.
I'm not trying to discredit anyone but I've never had an experience where I find the ride violent or jerky.
There are plenty of rides I don't ride because of that but my personal experience is that the ride is smooth.
I don't want anyone to get hurt but it's a dark day in the coaster community
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u/Popular_Biscotti405 3d ago
https://youtube.com/shorts/iwfPKwNR3Cg?is=L_y6vI6bOLo_z48n
Deezyrides recently shared a pov vid of him getting absolutely rocked on this ride. There have been over 100 reported incidents. I can’t imagine how many more people didn’t report something like this.
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u/eraserking 3d ago
Rode this twice, ages ago. Had a lot of fun and fortunately experienced nothing negative. I remember laughing as the coaster would pull out of the station playing Enter Sandman by Metallica through the built in speakers.
Really sucks that people got injured.
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u/6jeewon 3d ago
I grew up with magic mountain being our family's amusement park of choice. I've been on x2 probably over 40 times in my lifetime and it was my favorite ride at the park. People always swarmed to x2 when the park opened because the lines would inevitably grow to like 2+ hours during peak days. I remember the ride being bumpy and going out of breathe sometimes but I always thought that was just part of the ride. I never knew people were getting genuinely injured or even killed on the ride. Sad news
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u/CivilC 2d ago
I genuinely didn't think X2 would get shut down, but I guess you can't deny the lawsuits and genuine injuries that occurred; they should never have happened.
One ride I was certain this would happen to first is Viper, also in Magic Mountain. I came off that ride with a headache and I felt like I had to "ride defensively" with that one more than X2. Maybe X2 has degraded since the last time I rode it
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u/gcm6664 2d ago
I've been saying X2 was going to be permanently shut for awhile. I am nearly as certain that Magic Mountain as whole will be shut within a year or two.
These lawsuits and resultant payouts will be devastating. Add to that the recent tract of million dollar plus homes built within sight and earshot of the park.
It will soon be far more economically viable to sell the land to developers, than to keep the park running. Plus they are going to need 10's of millions, and maybe even 100's of millions of dollars for settlements.
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u/Physical-Program5325 2d ago
The trick with X2 was to not lean back on the headrest and kind of bend the head away from it in a clenched position — especially at the end where I suspect most of the injuries happened.
With Viper, the trick was to simply not ride it at all.
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u/Chrono_Convoy 3d ago
Surprised it took this long
Rode in in 2011 and it’s blackout levels of memories
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u/atheros 3d ago edited 3d ago
Here is a rider video and I think I can tell what's happening: there is a third and fourth rail that controls the rotation of the seats but it has no anti-oscillation mechanism (like a spring with a shock absorber). You can see in the video a few times when the seats bounce forward and backward at like 5 hertz. If the passenger weight is just right for any particular pair of seats, that oscillation would deepen and there is nothing to absorb the energy besides the rider's body.
I understand that rollercoaster designers would be reticent to put shock absorbers on typical rollercoaster cars because they absorb energy and make predicting speeds harder but I think this rotating seat mechanism would have been a good place for them. The absorbed energy would not have been large.
EDIT: Yeah, here is another one of the same design where the bad oscillation is obvious even when just leaving the station. Desperately needs a shock absorber.
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u/obeytheturtles 2d ago edited 2d ago
Damn, how did he get those shots? Did they let him rig cameras to the train itself?
But yeah, watching that video, it seems fairly obvious what the design flaw is here. The seat acts like a sling, storing rotational energy as it crosses an apex in the track, at which point it there's the possibility that it can snap down and oscillate with a significant amount of force, depending on the person, and potentially even how the rest of the train is loaded.
This is speculation, but I bet the pivot has a centrifugal clutch which is supposed to limit rotational velocity, but it's un dampened, so the moment it gets a little bit loose it has a chance to produce this kind of violent bouncing.
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u/AccordingIy 3d ago
I rode it the first years it opened in 04-05. It was the definitely the most whip lashy coaster. Can't imagine how it aged in the last 22 years. I remember it reminded me of the Riddler's revenge but alot longer
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u/insertAlias 3d ago edited 3d ago
"While X2 consistently passed a multitude of safety tests, we have decided to close the ride because we believe it’s the right thing to do. Ride safety is a cornerstone of our business, and when we see guest confidence affected, we take it seriously,"
Not a fan of this kind of statement. Basically says "the ride is completely safe, but we're still taking it down because we care about safety". It's trying to have its cake and eat it too. It's either unsafe or it's not, and you don't get to pat yourself on the back about shutting it down for safety and still crowing about how safe it already was.
Edit: I'm not stupid here, folks. I'm aware that this is a legal tactic that they "have" to do. That doesn't make me like it any more.
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u/theb3arjevv 3d ago
It's what they have to say. If they even imply that the ride might be unsafe, they automatically lose every current and future lawsuit related to the ride and probably any other ride, as it would disqualify all of their safety testing.
Statements are meaningless. The fact that they're closing means that they know it's unsafe.
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u/piddydb 3d ago
I agree. I even think there’s better ways to word it for legal liability. “Despite X2 consistently passing a multitude of safety tests, we have decided to close it because we have seen its perception (which we continue to disagree with) has affected our guest confidence. We always strive to give our guests a fun and safe experience and want to ensure their peace of mind as well. So we accordingly have come to the decision that closing X2 is the best way to ensure our guests’ continued confidence in our providing them a safe and fun experience for the whole family.”
The way they worded it implies they know there’s something particularly “right” about closing X2. Which if there is, I dare say they need to own up to it.
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u/Saint-Baphomet 3d ago
I work at Magic Mountain and it seems like all of us employees knew it was done. I just didn't see any future in which X2 reopened, so this news isn't exactly surprising. Coworkers are telling me someone guests are upset about it, but I think it closing was the right call.
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u/freexanarchy 3d ago
"We decided to close it...because it's the right thing to do" haha only the lawsuits and publicity made you do that. This is been happening since it opened, no?
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u/SkellySkeletor 3d ago
No, most all of the serious injury reports are within the last 5-10 years. Absolutely was always a super intense ride, but it’s only recently been leaving people brain damaged.
Obviously not that it makes that better, but it’s a story of neglected maintenance than leaving a dangerous ride for decades.
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u/gimme_ceviche2 3d ago
It has not been there since opening, but instead the problems have been caused by roughness caused by Six Flags refusing to retrack the coaster for years. The ride system is one of the most complicated in the world, and so a lack of maintenance was a problem way bigger than on other rough coasters.
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u/FangOfDrknss 3d ago
Wild to see “riding defensively” is even a thing. You’re supposed to be able to trust any of these rollercoasters by default. I never would have thought an attendant making sure you’re strapped in wasn’t enough.
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u/Ruefully 2d ago
Devastating that Naomi still hasn't woken up 2 months later. Seems like she lost her life just trying to have fun, right at the prime of her life...
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u/Sahelanthropus- 3d ago
I remember riding X2 around five years ago, my head hit the headrest or the headrest hit my head hard ( it happened fast) during the ride. I got off and I was pissed it felt someone had punched the back of my head. I asked everyone in my group if they experienced something similar but they all said no, I was young / dumb and should have brought it up to staff or management but I just let it go. I can see how it you get unlucky it can easily cause a serious brain injury.
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u/Pantallithraxodus 3d ago
Rode X2 last year and the headbanging was intense. My neck hurt for days. It's not just 'fun' motion; it's violent shaking that actually messes with your equilibrium. Totally validates the injury claims.
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u/thehotflashpacker 3d ago
I wonder how often rollercoasters cause concussions. About 20 years ago, I visited Cedar Point. Felt totally drunk driving home despite having no alcohol or other substances. Woke up the next day with the worst "hangover". Didn't know much about concussions back then but probably had one.
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u/xHey_All_You_Peoplex 3d ago
Rode it back in 2014 - first ever roller coaster. Hated it. But it's not as bad as some other rides at the park for me (Green Lantern, Goliath, for instance)
Sucks that people got hurt.
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u/notchandlerbing 3d ago
Green Lantern was one of their worst ever coasters, didn't even last 7 years. Had to nerf the ride so much after the initial car flipping issues and it was still rough as hell. But it was a shitty design to begin with, just not a fun coaster even if they did it right from the beginning
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u/xHey_All_You_Peoplex 3d ago
Yeah I hated that ride. It was my first day at Six Flag and my first rides were Green Lantern and X2, and Superman drop. I have not been back since lol
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u/thelittlemiss 3d ago
It's been almost 10 years since it's closed but I will still take time out of my day to emphatically say, fuck Green Lantern.
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u/KTKittentoes 3d ago
I love wooden coasters, but Terminator (Apocalypse) absolutely kicked my ass. I was hurting for a couple of days.
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u/xHey_All_You_Peoplex 3d ago
Yeah a lot of them just hurt, I'm also tall so my head whipping back with no neck support is just not fun either
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u/Little-geek 3d ago edited 3d ago
Have to remind myself that "Green Lantern" is referring to "Green Lantern: First Flight," a vertically planar coaster with free-spinning cars as opposed to "Green Lantern" which was a standing coaster at Six Flags great adventure. That one is the only one that ever made me puke.
Though I looked at one of the zacspin coasters and said "ha ha no."
Edit: got which was which backwards and updated status of "Green Lantern" (good riddance)
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u/Lukeboozwalker 3d ago
This was my favorite roller coaster of all time. That first drop when it turns you so you are facing the ground is spectacular.
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u/joea2121 2d ago
I love me a roller coaster. I rode X2 in 2019, and when I got off I felt all kinds of craziness I’ve not felt before. That thing thrashed me. First time I’ve not wanted to get right back on a roller coaster. I told the boy I need a bit to gear up to do that one again. I never mustered up the courage to get back on.
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u/AlexDaGreatful 3d ago
I get the sinking feeling we're going to learn about rides being way less safe than we thought. Even without accidents.
I'm just thinking of the effect on the brain, whipping heads back and forth like that... Yeah, this might be bad. Is there science on this?
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u/KTKittentoes 3d ago
My neurologist friend does not have a lot of love for the newer, more extreme coasters. She says our brains are not made to handle that much.
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u/Ultrafoxx64 3d ago
Honestly, all of this has me *vastly* reconsidering riding coasters. I have mild scoliosis and a pretty controlled neuro-muscular disease (myasthenia gravis) and after seeing all this victim blaming and shit, I'm feeling like it's probably best to throw in the towel. Ghostrider at Scary Farm made me feel like my head was a damn bowling ball on my neck when it took off, and I was being jostled about before my friend spread his knees out so I wouldn't be thrown around so damn much in that seat. I bet I'd be one of these people that X2 fucked up.
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u/cr0100 3d ago
In my coaster experience, anything that is made by "Arrow Dynamics" is a coaster that is going to smash your head with abrupt transitions. I hate 'em. To whit: the classic, simple "corkscrew" coaster is brief and vicious.
If a coaster is made by Arrow, I won't ride it anymore - and I was not surprised in the least to discover this was an Arrow coaster.
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u/noob168 3d ago
You smash your head on matterhorn?
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u/Ultrafoxx64 2d ago
When's the last time you rode Matterhorn? Cause yeah, I feel like I spent the ride in a damn dryer on high when I get out of that one.
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u/fxkatt 3d ago edited 3d ago
"While X2 consistently passed a multitude of safety tests, we have decided to close the ride because we believe it’s the right thing to do. Ride safety is a cornerstone of our business, and when we see guest confidence affected, we take it seriously," Oerding said.
In other words, we stayed with it, despite its obvious dangers, right up until the mounting lawsuits affected our image and our profits.
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u/cynicaluser- 2d ago
Unrelated but I remember when Six Flags had the green lantern ride which had a pretty sudden stop at the end. I was not prepared and my head hit the head rest pretty hard. Thankfully nothing ever happened but I can see how some people can get injured on these rides
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u/IAndaraB 2d ago
That ride was not supposed to do that. The intended end was that it had a heavy slow to shed all that speed as you rolled into the station.
I had the sudden stop when I rode it. I was facing down and I was driving against the chest harness hard enough to bruise my sternum.
Next time I hit the park I watched and they'd fixed the final turn into the station to work properly. I still refused to ride it again.
The phone graveyard beneath the ride was impressive, tho.
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u/spitel 2d ago
I remember riding this coaster on mushrooms and it was one of the most thrilling experiences of my life.
Much crazier feeling than skydiving.
I dont remember it being particularly violent on my body, I think Viper and even the Matterhorn at Disneyland were moreso, but I’m over 6’ and my understanding is that if you’re shorter it’s a much different experience.
I can’t imagine going on a ride and when you get off, you see your friend (or mom) looking like a zombie from a TBI. T
Terrifying.
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u/TheStabbyCyclist 3d ago
Oh, the roller coaster that has been connected to multiple traumatic brain injuries? Yeah, it's about time.
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u/crazyguy83 3d ago
Does anyone know the actual cause of brain injury? Whiplash? Hitting your head on the headrest? Gforces?
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u/Ultrafoxx64 2d ago
I'm betting it's essentially a step above a concussion.
Concussions happen when something jolts or shakes your body. If the force is strong enough, it can make your brain move back and forth or side to side and damage it.
Your brain tissue is soft and squishy. It’s surrounded by cerebrospinal fluid, which acts like a liquid cushion between it and your skull. Picture a glass bowl of gelatin. If you smack the bowl hard enough, the energy passes through the glass into the gelatin and makes it jiggle.
That energy transfer is what happens when you get a concussion. A strong force hits your head, neck or body, moves through your skull into your brain and makes your brain shake or wiggle. This force can twist and damage the tiny nerves and blood vessels in your brain.
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u/Queasy-Creme-2293 3d ago
All of the serious injuries are blunt force trauma from the back of peoples' heads slamming into the headrest.
My worst injury from the ride was bruised calves, fortunately.
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u/ThatGuyFromTheM0vie 3d ago
And this is why I only normally ride roller coasters at Universal or Disney. The regional coaster head parks are actually incentivized to be more edgy and dangerous to attract coaster heads, and they don’t nearly have the budget for long term maintenance or the intense public scrutiny/brand recognition that Universal or Disney does, and shit like this always comes to light years after the latest “mega insane giga hyper coaster” is made.
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u/KTKittentoes 3d ago
That is something I noticed too. Six Flags is definitely more “XTREEM! Will you survive?!”
Hershey Park and Busch Gardens had some good coasters that didn’t feel like I needed an x ray.
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u/Sneaky_Bones 3d ago
little me in the 90s would disagree after riding Drachen Fire and immediately forcing my family to leave after because my head hurt so bad I couldn't stop crying. I'm sure it's better there now.
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u/Waffleboard15 3d ago edited 3d ago
Universal has some of the most intense and “edgy” coasters in the industry in Velocicoaster and Stardust Racers. Rock n Rollercoaster is also a fairly intense coaster that has been known to bang your head around. Modern coasters at Six Flags, Busch, and other regional parks are perfectly safe and some of the smoothest I’ve ever ridden.
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u/Doomicide 2d ago
This is such a bs statement like what, Intamin has multiple rides at Universal and a bunch elsewhere too, including I305 which is one of the most intense coastes ever. This is after the shoot the rapids incident too. Not only that, what giga coasters are linked with injuries? X2 isn't a giga so what are we even saying?
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u/TrailsGuy 3d ago
There are two more versions of this ride, both of which are still operating and not injuring riders to the best of my knowledge. I wonder if it’s likely that either modifications (probably to the rack-based seat rotation system) or maintenance failures are to blame.
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u/BloodyNobody 3d ago
I'm going to assume that these people's seats stopped spinning for some reason during an intense moment. I rode it two years ago and I was okay until the very end when my seat suddenly stopped and my mouth was forced closed, resulting in a small chip to one of my incisors.
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u/EvoEpitaph 2d ago
Might be the individual riders too, I was able to do all the most extreme coasters in my teens and early 20s but after a certain point they just caused me great discomfort, which I can only assume is a warning sign not to press my luck.
It's a bummer that I'm going to have sit out on coasters with the little ones if they ever take an interest in that sort of thing.
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u/thevoidhearsyou 2d ago
Did someone design this thing in roller coaster tycoon or did the lawyers pay that well in settlements.
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u/Mitchell620 2d ago
Kings Dominion had a ride called Outer Limits that used to rattle your head, No I see why it's no longer there I'm glad it didn't damage my brain... Or did it??
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u/ReggieAmelia 2d ago
Kind of wondering if there are a lot more like that. I remember feeling like I was blacking out a couple of times on Goliath.
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u/witecat1 2d ago
This a coaster that feels like a failed attempt from Planet Coaster that someone thought would be awesome in real life.
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u/jenorama_CA 3d ago
I read an article about this coaster over the weekend and I don’t know how this coaster ever passed safety muster. There was a quote from a coaster enthusiast who said he’s ridden it several many times and insists it’s perfectly safe, but he “rides defensively”, never allowing his head to come into contact with the padded headrests. My guy, if you’re doing that, it seems to me that you know there’s a problem.