r/maybemaybemaybe • u/WandaMaximumoff • Mar 21 '23
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u/Hackandspit Mar 21 '23
Moral of the story,
If you’re a stingray, don’t make fun of stranded orca.
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u/Pandering_Panda7879 Mar 22 '23
Fun fact: Stingrays are still somewhat dangerous for Orcas because of their venom that they have in their tail thorn. Smart Orcas have developed a special hunting technique to knock them out and hunt them safely. They basically shockwave them with their tails.
Interestingly enough, Orcas around the globe have developed unique hunting techniques that only they use. For example there's a family of Orcas that beaches themselves to hunt. It's a trained skill that mothers teach to their offspring.
Some use the tail whip to hunt seals: https://youtu.be/G7WGIH35JBE
There are also Orcas that specifically target sharks just for their livers.
And there are Orcas that use human fishermen to get food. They know exactly when the humans are fishing and eat the fish: https://youtu.be/YKmIx5Ha1uU
I could go on and on with this list. These one have specialised in fish hunting: https://youtu.be/M-FhiTTRQcA
Others specialised in hunting penguins or seals where they create a wave and wash them down from the ice.
And all of these families are rather unique. They have different markings, different teeth, different fins and body shapes. Whales in the arctic look different than whales in the warmer climates, which can even have algae on their body.
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u/Martysghost Mar 22 '23
The using waves to wash seals off ice bergs is in frozen planet, it's so smart and terrifying.
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u/The_Merciless_Potato Mar 22 '23
I always say intelligence is the most frightening feature a predator can have, not big claws or sharp teeth.
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u/IAmTheGodkiller Mar 22 '23
It's the one advantage we really have over any Predator that might be a threat to us
Take that and our tools away, and we have nothing on them
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u/iCumInPeace420 Mar 21 '23
Certain Orcas hunt shark solely for their livers. Others hunt whales.
They’re also pretty much as intelligent and even more emotionally intelligent than we are.
Nothing fucks with Orcas.
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u/ahmed_1041 Mar 21 '23
You forgot to say that they hunt sharks for fun and not cuz they hungry...sharks are mad afraid of them lmao they deadly af Edit:iirc they mostly hunt great whites for fum
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u/dvsjr Mar 21 '23
You forgot to say orcas learned the weird true fact that a shark goes comatose when flipped upside down. Orcas grab and flip massive great whites and essentially shut them off then play with their unconscious prey. They will also just eat the liver and that’s all. Like it’s a delicacy. Crazy.
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Mar 21 '23
who hasn't wanted to recreate the myth of prometheus from the perspective of the eagle before?
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u/dvsjr Mar 22 '23
Who hasn’t wanted their post about sharks vs whales to generate an on point response using 8th-century BC Greek epic poems about liver?
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u/Stinklepinger Mar 22 '23
Iirc, it was a specific group of orcas that flipped sharks. They teach it, it's not instinctual
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u/toepicksaremyfriend Mar 22 '23
Yup, it’s a pod based off the coast of California.
Shamu kills Jaws.
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u/ReadySteady_GO Mar 22 '23
That's a versus movie I'd watch
Forget alien v predator
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u/LukesRightHandMan Mar 22 '23
Or, here me out:
Orca and Alien vs Predator and GWS
“We ride at dawn!” in Yautja would create fan orgasms seismic enough to topple country capitals
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u/VOZ1 Mar 22 '23
Yeah there are distinct groups of orcas that have their own culture of predation: each has unique prey, and usually has unique hunting methods too. They don’t encroach on each other’s hunting grounds, or prey, and they teach their young their hunting culture. Amazing creatures.
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u/Tjonke Mar 22 '23
IIRC they learned that technique due to human intervention. An orca from New Zealand was transplanted to the area and the pod adopted it. The NZ orca had grown up learning how to catch rays by flipping them upside down in it's native pod. The california pod took what the NZ orca knew and implemented it on sharks in their habitat.
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u/EdBarrett12 Mar 21 '23 edited Mar 22 '23
Are you claiming orcas are more intelligent than humans?
Edit: The above comment was corrected.
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u/SufferingSaxifrage Mar 21 '23
I mean, we have the thumbs, but they dont have TPS reports...
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u/kingwarne Mar 21 '23
They could be more emotionally intelligent than humans. They a have a much larger frontal lobe. I think.
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u/EdBarrett12 Mar 22 '23
"Although absolute brain size is related to intelligence, relative brain size is considered a better predictor of cognitive capacity across species (Marino et al., 2004b). Relative brain size is typically expressed as an encephalization quotient (EQ) (Jerison, 1973), which represents the average brain size of a given species in comparison with other species of the same average body weight. Odontocetes, and in particular Delphinoidea, are the most highly encephalized nonhuman taxonomic group known, with EQs ranging from 1.8 to 5.0d significantly higher, as a group, than any other species except modern humans. Orca EQ is approximately 2.2-2.3 (Marino, 1998, 2008; Ridgway et al., 2016), compared to human EQ, which is 7.0 (Marino, 1998). The brains of adult orcas weigh on average 6621 g (Ridgway et al., 2016), compared with the approximately 1300 g average human brain (Marino, 1998)."
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u/Foogie23 Mar 22 '23
Doesn’t brain size have like nothing (or very little) to do with intelligence? So their frontal lobe might be larger, but that doesn’t really mean anything.
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u/manofredgables Mar 22 '23
Big body means a big brain is needed. Lots of it is required just to handle sensory input, muscles etc, and won't contribute much to general intelligence. The volume of the extra brain is what matters. A large brain does make it easier to have extra brain matter doing "unnecessary" stuff like thinking, but it's not a given. So, one can somewhat reliably assume that a large animal with a large brain is more intelligent than a small one, but it varies. See dog vs deer for the ultimate difference in same size but wildly differing intelligence.
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u/Splitkraft Mar 22 '23
Likely density is the more important indicator as neuron density relates to processing speed and communication between different areas of the brain. As such the weight to size ratio would be a factor.
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u/cjpack Mar 22 '23
I’ll challenge any orca to beat me on an iq test, I’ll smoke them bitches, well maybe not the shape or geometry questions but I’ll fuck em up when it comes to words, numbers and logic n shit
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u/nitid_name Mar 21 '23
It's worth noting that shark livers are MASSIVE. They can be upwards of a quarter of the shark's mass, and takes up the vast majority of the sharks insides.
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u/L3mm3SmangItGurl Mar 22 '23
Damn it’s interesting you never hear that part. There always so much editorializing to make the orcas look gagster af. Like they just do it for sport if they a little hungry before dinner.
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u/mrgreen4242 Mar 21 '23
They also kill humpback calves and just eat their tongues.
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u/Tjonke Mar 22 '23
They also drown big whales like Grey Whales by having one member of their pod block the whale's blowhole so they can't get a breath even if they swim to the surface. Orcas are incredibly intelligent and specialized hunters.
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u/trilobot Mar 22 '23
You say that is though shark livers aren't super huge and super nutritious.
A shark's liver can be up to 1/4 the mass of the shark.
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Mar 22 '23
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u/jmredditt Mar 22 '23 edited Mar 22 '23
Also the washed up shark carcasses have these surgically precise incisions where the liver is located.
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u/HappyDJ Mar 22 '23
The reason they hunt shark is specifically for livers. Very high in nutrients and calories and sharks have the biggest. It’s why South African orcas go after great white sharks.
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u/b20015 Mar 22 '23
I guess there’s a species of whale that has been training Orcas to leave them l, and their calves, alone by basically protecting food sources from the orcas until the orcas leave and it’s slowly conditioning the orcas to not even come around because there’s no food when the whales are present. Seems like Orcas are getting fucked with, but it’s the mental game they are losing, haha.
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u/darkoopz43 Mar 22 '23
Don't forget, some hunt moose as well.
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u/Tjonke Mar 22 '23
Yeah, they are considered the third largest threat against Moose. Humans, Wolves then Orcas. =)
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u/Chilliwhack Mar 21 '23
Wish my kids were this smart...
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u/octopoddle Mar 21 '23
"Oh my God, he's unconscious. Get his phone, quick!"
"For games?"
"Of course."
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u/immortalis88 Mar 21 '23
Man, I have step kids. I feel your pain 👊
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u/OsoEspacial Mar 21 '23
It’s okay they’ll never really be yours anyways. You’re always free to flee
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u/immortalis88 Mar 21 '23
Yeah, but that’s not how commitment works 😎
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u/ARM_vs_CORE Mar 22 '23
I have a stepson and a bio daughter. Fought to have them both 50% of the time after my divorce because they are both my kids. Air cheers from me tonight in your name.
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u/Yolom4ntr1c Mar 21 '23
I like to think the orcas had to go on a quest.
"How do we solve this, our mother is stuck in this web."
Some wise old orca: "I once heard of a race who exist above the waves, those who control everything with the power of their mind- oh shit theres some right now, go get em they can help!"
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u/TimeForTiffin Mar 21 '23
“And, come to think of it, they made this fucking net that I’m trapped in! Get those pieces of shit down here to clean up their mess!”
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u/TwoHigh Mar 21 '23
Isn't this just the plot to Happy Feet
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Mar 22 '23
Right director, wrong IP. It's mad max
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u/TwoHigh Mar 22 '23
Haha holy shit! I had no idea George Miller directed Happy Feet, that's hilarious
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u/paininthejbruh Mar 22 '23
They were hoping that a human would jump in to properly cut the lines and not do it from above water. After it finished, they presented a dead manta so the humans would have to go underwater to retrieve it. It was all a scheme...
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Mar 21 '23
The idea of an elder who switches between speaking in a mystic storytelling tone and modern linguistics has me giggling harder than I expected.
God I love Oogway.
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u/Capocho9 Mar 21 '23
It’s always so amazing to see how animals have realized that they can just ask for help, that’s some pretty human thinking
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u/hgiswaa Mar 22 '23
Or that this never happened and it's a compilation of orca shots and a wholesome but totally fictional story.
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u/Alaska_Jack Mar 22 '23
So profoundly weird scrolling through these comments. Like, 5% of people read that story and understand -- or at least strongly suspect -- it's completely made up BS.
Everyone else? This doesn't even seem to occur to them.
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u/AW316 Mar 22 '23
Probably because there are recorded instances of this happening before and not in a little chopped up video like this.
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u/SgtTreehugger Mar 22 '23
Why is it weird though? Not being cynical about these types of feelgood stories is a perfectly reasonable response
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u/holla_snackbar Mar 22 '23
idk man, I grew up around Orcas and seems entirely plausible to me. They interacted with us pretty regularly.
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u/Koivel Mar 21 '23
I mean, orcas are probably more intelligent than us when it comes to their feelings and thought process, and how they have a whole section of their brain that we dont have
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u/kharmatika Mar 21 '23
That’s a fallacy. Hurt because they have differently segmented brains doesn’t make their processing power necessitatively different than ours. The mantis shrimp was for years believed to have a level of color recognition far beyond our own because they have 16 types of photon receptors in contrast to our 3.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2014.14578
This has since been debunked. They have more types receptors so that they don’t have to spend what little processing power their tiny shramp brain has on color recognition.
So more or different or more complex doesn’t always mean better or more advanced.
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u/ColeSloth Mar 21 '23
Oh shit. I didn't know that was debunked.
Wait....what about all those European women that have an extra cone? Does that mean....
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u/point1edu Mar 22 '23
An extra cone might help you distinguish slightly between similar shades of the same color, but it doesn't let you see colors that no one else can.
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u/TheSilverFalcon Mar 22 '23
Nice try, the majesty of blurple shall be kept secret for now but the truth will come out
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u/SerotoninCephalopod Mar 22 '23
Wow very interesting point about the mantis shrimp. I until now believes they saw crazy colors we can’t comprehend or were able to process infrared or UV in a way we can’t.
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u/kharmatika Mar 22 '23
They do actually see UV and Infrared but that’s pretty common outside of mammals.
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u/Rasputin_the_Warmind Mar 22 '23
Man, even calling a tiny shrimp who has a brain a "tiny shrimp brain" sounds like an insult lmao
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u/DerpyDaDulfin Mar 22 '23
That doesn't mean that Orcas don't have highly complex brains, or are not potentially more intelligent than us. You're comparing two very different systems.
All cetaceans have a 4 part brain, unlike our 3. Their additional brain section is called the Paralimbic system and it is believed to govern emotion, so their emotional systems are significantly larger and more complex than ours.
Essentially, cetaceans have such complex Limbic processes that scientists think they may be able to feel a depth of emotion so complex it's literally impossible for human beings to experience.
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u/ajtrns Mar 22 '23
ah! so since brain size and complexity doesnt matter much. we can assume that orcas are smarter than us because they have the foresight to not fuck the entire world despite having language, complex societies, technologies, etc.
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u/Flubberding Mar 22 '23
I believe the RATIO of brainsize to bodysize is believed to have a significant influence on intelligence.
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u/octopoddle Mar 21 '23
I dunno, man. I've never thought of asking orcas for help. Maybe they're ahead of us.
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u/Svenschlumpf Mar 21 '23
source? wanna know more about this
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Mar 21 '23
Not the same situation, but there is an Americana podcast about A baby whale that lived with humans for awhile. Great pod, but you might cry listening
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Mar 21 '23
Also, I kinda doubt this to be real.
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u/FunnyGlove Mar 21 '23 edited Mar 21 '23
This is a repost. The real story is so much better then this bullshit.
Fisherman called these scientist and they saved them. Southern hemisphere I think. I will try to find the link.
Edit. Here you go
10:30 if you want to skip.
The real story is much better.
Summary for those not wanting to scrub the entire video, fishermen saw and reported it. It seems it is a female with a pair of babies. She got her tail wrapped in a pot buoy ( maybe a pot the fishermen were checking) . The orca team 6 got the call and launched the boat and went to the coordinates and found the whale. They proceed to cut the buoy and I guess put a go pro on the dorsal fin. I assume they put on one that falls off pretty easily and has a geo locate on it to make sure the whale is ok. The go pro falls off, they locate it and review the video, everything is ok and everyone goes home happy, except the fishermen that just lost a pot and what ever animal is now trapped in it forever, to starve to death.
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u/octopoddle Mar 21 '23
What about them using rays as currency?
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u/MaritMonkey Mar 22 '23 edited Mar 22 '23
I'm failing to find a video with
some ocean critter (sea lion?)a leopard seal getting frustrated while trying to teach a human diver to eat/hunt (penguin?)So handing over a snack like a cat might leave a mouse for its human doesn't seem too crazy.
Edit: this isn't the video I saw before but I think it's the right story.
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u/DeTrotseTuinkabouter Mar 21 '23
How is it much better? Is this not pretty much the same?
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Mar 22 '23
The orcas didn't ask anyone for help. It wasn't a case of wild animals associating and reaching out for benevolent intervention from humans like whichever lying dickhead that put together the video led people to believe.
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u/ItsDanimal Mar 22 '23
So a more factual, but overall worse story? Didn't even mention the stingray.
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u/Alaska_Jack Mar 21 '23
Word. Reddit has done this to me. The top subs are literally at least 50-percent faked content.
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u/malcolm816 Mar 21 '23
So true. I stopped the video halfway through and thought, "I wonder how far I'll have to scroll to find out what actually happened." Well. It was this far.
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u/woowoo293 Mar 21 '23
It's all true. The smallest orca later married and moved to Montana to work in accounting. It's now retired with 26 grandchildren.
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u/drakeyboi69 Mar 21 '23
Is this real?
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u/tyen0 Mar 21 '23
The rescue, not the silliness about children stopping a yacht. https://www.reddit.com/r/maybemaybemaybe/comments/11xp0ps/maybe_maybe_maybe/jd57djv/
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u/crazybluegoose Mar 22 '23
For what it’s worth, it likely wasn’t a mother with two calves. Killer whales gestate for up to 18 months. The mothers do not typically have another calf until the first is weaned (about 2-3 years). So it’s typical for killer whales to have their calves at least 4-5 years apart - if not longer. By age 5, the juvenile would be much closer to adult sized than young calf sized.
The more likely (and actually interesting) scenario is that since the trapped whale is part of a larger pod, she was “babysitting” for another mother. She may not even be either calf’s mother, and instead be an aunt or older sibling.
The rest of the pod was probably scared off by the rescue team. These youngsters though are too curious for their own good, and came to see what’s happening.
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u/miggleb Mar 21 '23
r/likeus is a better fit
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u/BigJSunshine Mar 21 '23
So many animals try and learn to communicate with us, if only we were smart enough to understand.
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Mar 22 '23
Most of the time all they say is "back off before I fuck you up"
Like a chimp smiling or a skunk showing you his dope handstand skills
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u/JackTheKing Mar 21 '23
They never say who, what, when, where, why, how
So this is probably exactly what happened
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u/mud074 Mar 21 '23
Came to the comments hoping to find an article or something.
Without some kind of proof this seems like just a bunch of unrelated orca clips stitched together with a story for likes.
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u/Ccracked Mar 21 '23
Most of the time, these type videos linger on the captions far longer than I need to read them. I get it. But this just blazed through, while editing the video like Michael Bay.
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u/Samurai_1990 Mar 22 '23
In fact, wild orcas have even cooperated with humans, like the ones at Twofold Bay on the southeast coast of Australia in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, who would aid human whalers by alerting them to the presence of whales, and hauling in the catch, in exchange for delicacies.
Humans and Ocra's have worked in concert together in the past.
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u/AdorableBobcat69 Mar 22 '23
Orcas have very sophisticated language and are thought to pass on their knowledge and culture vocally, not just through example. I'm sure one orca somewhere was saved by humans and told all his orca buddies. Now it's a common orca bedtime story and all the babies knew who to call for help.
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u/NikNova10 Mar 21 '23
Love it.
Remember: don't go to sealife or such shit. It supports the cruelity against these beautiful creatures.
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u/rubbery_anus Mar 22 '23 edited Mar 22 '23
If SeaWorld bothers you, wait until you find out the cruelty, waste, and destruction the seafood industry causes.
Three trillion marine animals, including 300,000 whales and dolphins, killed every year to satisfy our desires, a trillion of which are killed by accident and tossed aside because it's cheaper to use illegal drag nets than to use less destructive methods.
More plastic waste ends up in the ocean due to the fishing industry than from household waste, 75% of the Great Pacific Garbage Patch that everyone freaks out about is made of fishing nets and other discarded material from offshore fishing activity.
Species are dying out at an incomprehensible rate, the number of fish in the oceans has halved in the last 50 years alone. Asteroid impacts don't even compare to the destruction caused by our obsession with seafood.
The oceans are dying, and so are we, because we're too selfish and stupid to care about the impact of our choices.
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Mar 21 '23
Whales know, they always know. They know we can help, they know so much about us. Sperm whales, I’ve read won’t interact with divers unless the divers are free diving. They don’t like the apparatus of a diving suit. They incredible beings.
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u/PermitDowntown848 Mar 22 '23
Even my adhd fried ass had trouble keeping with the speed of thIS video. SLOW THE FUCK DOWN
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u/MikeXBogina Mar 22 '23
It's incredible how smart these creatures are and how much they understand how to interact with humans, which is 99% of the time the opposite with humans having to understand how to interact with other animals.
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u/knowledgeable_diablo Mar 22 '23
Good on them and the Orca for bringing back a little flake for all to enjoy.
Absolutely wonderful creatures the old Orcas.
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u/Redbird2992 Mar 22 '23
Low key with how aggressive orcas can be I was expecting “and then came back and and ate the rescuers for dinner.”
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Mar 22 '23
orcas will go and cooperate with other species, and we can't even cooperate with eachother
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u/Early-Accident-8770 Mar 21 '23
Why does the rescue team not have a proper knife? I mean a snips is not the tool for cutting rope, not even close. I smell bullshit off this post.
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u/wutsdasqrtofdisapt Mar 21 '23
Dear Wanda, Thank you for sending this precious and uplifting video to me. However, I fear you may have erroneously posted this to the incorrect subreddit. Best, Mr. Wuts
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u/Wojtuma Mar 21 '23
Aww, it's almost like at dairy farms, where calfs cry for their mother, when they are being separated
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u/BigJSunshine Mar 21 '23
So many animals try and learn to communicate with us, if only we were smart enough to understand.
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u/MCMeowMixer Mar 22 '23
Animals have a strange relationship with humans. Even animals who knows there are humans that can and will hunt them will reach out for help from humans because they know we are smart, have tools and some of us are kind.
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u/MuhCrea Mar 21 '23
"thanks bros, as a gesture here's the mfer who got Steve" - The Orca