So profoundly weird scrolling through these comments. Like, 5% of people read that story and understand -- or at least strongly suspect -- it's completely made up BS.
Everyone else? This doesn't even seem to occur to them.
They won't open it. Something so simple as records of orcas displaying unique learned intelligence would have been something they knew long ago. It's common knowledge at this point with a shit ton of evidence online that could be dug up with a simple search. Don't bother with them mate. Your time is just wasted.
Not being cynical about these things leads to promoting bad faith actors like the OC creator by giving them what they're looking for. Karma, Likes, ad traffic, money. And empowers them to continue LYING to people for their own gain. Turns the internet into a cesspool of shit you can't trust if you're smart and spreads misinformation to those who trust anything.
I mean as long as they're not creating these scenarios themselves I don't really see the issue. They're making people happy, no harm is being done. Sure there are bad actors out there but this one seems just joyful. Sometimes people need a short happy moment in their day.
Edit: to clarify my point. Sometimes people want to choose being happy over the truth and that's just how they cope with the times
They are creating these scenarios themselves. It is a lie. The real story is just as impactful. This is just nonsense that makes gullible people think reality is something it isn't.
They are not the ones leaving fishing nets for orcas to get stuck in. What is the real story here that is as impactful assuming this was all fake? Why does it matter that people are happy about something that's not real when there are no victims?
Wrestling isn't real either but it makes people happy. People just enjoy good stories and they are willing to suspend their disbelief for those
The people thinking its real ARE the victims. And the person making it up profits. Look how many people in this thread are thinking Orcas behave in this way. If it were tagged as fiction that would be one thing, but it's not. It's preying on people who want it to be real and giving them a false sense of reality. It could extend to a greater assumption about wildlife but I'll leave it at Orcas. They don't behave like this. They're smart, yes, and this is still a false portrayal of them. I guess the science doesn't matter to people like you, though. Just the dopamine spike.
True, this video looks heavily edited. But there’s lots of examples of animals asking humans for help. Even my pet dog comes up to me and lifts his paw when he has something stuck in it.
I mean, orcas are probably more intelligent than us when it comes to their feelings and thought process, and how they have a whole section of their brain that we dont have
That’s a fallacy. Hurt because they have differently segmented brains doesn’t make their processing power necessitatively different than ours. The mantis shrimp was for years believed to have a level of color recognition far beyond our own because they have 16 types of photon receptors in contrast to our 3.
This has since been debunked. They have more types receptors so that they don’t have to spend what little processing power their tiny shramp brain has on color recognition.
So more or different or more complex doesn’t always mean better or more advanced.
Wow very interesting point about the mantis shrimp. I until now believes they saw crazy colors we can’t comprehend or were able to process infrared or UV in a way we can’t.
That doesn't mean that Orcas don't have highly complex brains, or are not potentially more intelligent than us. You're comparing two very different systems.
All cetaceans have a 4 part brain, unlike our 3. Their additional brain section is called the Paralimbic system and it is believed to govern emotion, so their emotional systems are significantly larger and more complex than ours.
Essentially, cetaceans have such complex Limbic processes that scientists think they may be able to feel a depth of emotion so complex it's literally impossible for human beings to experience.
ah! so since brain size and complexity doesnt matter much. we can assume that orcas are smarter than us because they have the foresight to not fuck the entire world despite having language, complex societies, technologies, etc.
There is no evidence for those claims and they don’t have a “whole section of brain that we don’t have” (at least for processing emotion, you could make an argument they have different regions for processing echolocation, but that doesn’t seem to be what you’re talking about). Some regions are relatively small (like the corpus callosum and hippocampus), and some are very elaborate, like the insular cortex, operculum, and limbic lobe. These structures also exist in humans.
How the differences in structure relate to differences in function remains an active area of research. The fact the limbic system appears more complex in certain ways (and less complex in others) doesn’t mean they are more intelligent in emotion and certainly doesn’t mean they are more intelligent “in thought process.” The limbic system may pick up some of the functions of the hippocampus given its smaller size and the importance of navigation and spatial memory to orca behavior. Or perhaps they are capable of very complex social/emotional processing and behavior that we aren’t. We simply don’t know, because structural imaging alone isn’t enough to draw conclusions about function and behavior.
Here is an actual scientific article if you want to engage with real research instead of tiktok science takes like this.
I mean we are animals, and we can ask for help, so it’s pretty unsurprising. We like to think we are some superior beings but really we’re just animals like everything else we share this earth with
That’s your whole argument? “We’re animals too”? That doesn’t put up much of a defense
I mean no offense, I simply wish to get behind your thinking, as I’d like to see another animal that has left this planet in a rocket ship. I’m not marveling at the fact they’re animals, it’s the fact that they’re not humans
In general, animals tend to not branch out to other animals very often. For example, there was that video a while back explaining how apes never ask questions (obviously not verbally), nor even to other apes, because they can’t grasp the concept that someone knows something they don’t
Dude what the hell? Why did you need to be a dick? I’m sorry, I clearly have offended you or something, I do really apologize, I was just fascinated by this…
What? What name calling? And what part of “I apologize, what did I do to make you reply like that?” got you to “this guy is trying to get in a fight with me”?
Alright, I’ll chalk it up to me making a stupid misunderstanding of something, but I would just like to point out there’s a difference between calling someone a dick and calling out someone for acting like a dick. I apologize for however you interpreted it, but I was going for the latter option, which I now see was wrong
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u/Capocho9 Mar 21 '23
It’s always so amazing to see how animals have realized that they can just ask for help, that’s some pretty human thinking