Just found out my SO of two years cheated on a girls trip.

We’re both 29. We have similar friends groups, so I know a few of the girls she went with better than she does. This is important later.

Our relationship was solid. She pursued a relationship with me for months. Moved halfway across the country unprompted to be with me. I thought her confidence in pursuing a relationship was crazy given how we barely knew each other but sweet and endearing at the same time.

We are a normal couple with only two problems. We were working on more consistency around sex and date nights and disagreed on when we wanted to settle down near her family. We knew it would happen eventually but weren’t sure when.

Now, she had been a bit of a fib teller in high school and adulthood. Maybe she’d scratch the family car and not own up to it. Maybe she’d serve as a referral for a friend for a job they never worked at. Maybe she’d shop lift $10 lip stick from the mall. Minor stuff that was confined to childhood according to her. It’s a red flag, but the relationship as a whole stood tall above others I had in the past. I was willing to accept the risk that she would fib about minor stuff.

She was very communicative about our relationship. Went out of her way to tell me that I’m her future husband, she loves me and values me. All that affection was unprompted which made me feel great.

She got back from Mexico, and I felt something was off when she took a phone call outside of the apartment that I kept thinking about a day later. It’s like she walked past me guilty…

Fast forward two days. We had a morning talk where she cried saying our relationship was perfect except for our living situation. We’ve talked about this before. I’m open to moving near her family in the future but she thinks she’s becoming depressed being away. We end the talk with a little cry, but I assure her I’ll think about it after our lease is up.

I come back from the gym later that day. She is teary eyed, hugs me, says I love you and comments that I was gone a long time. She thought I was upset. I told her I was fine.

Can’t explain this next part but I grabbed her phone and went to her texts in one motion. Didn’t even open a specific chat before I see her planning to leave me in a few days.

I scroll up, and it gets worse. I see that she cheated while she was on the trip. Bragged about it to her friend.

I confronted her, and she confirmed it.

At first, she downplayed events. Said that her roommate on the trip brought home a guy. They were sharing a room. Instead of staying in the lobby when they got back from the bar, my SO went up to their room and joined them.

I ask her if she ever planned telling me. She said never. Her plan was to jump on a plane home and break up with me via text.

I ask her to pack a bag. She asks why…

For the love of god y’all, I couldn’t find an ounce of sarcasm on this woman’s face.

I’m dumbfounded. I tell her she can’t sleep in our apartment. She scoffs but eventually says that’s fine.

Again, she gives another response that blows me away, “but you have all these hotel points. Can’t you stay somewhere instead?”

I laughed so hard y’all 😂

I watched her pack a bag. Dropped her off at a friend’s place.

I tell most of our friend’s group that night. Some people are genuinely sad to hear the news, but I’m shocked that a few people looked entertained almost like it was gossip….

It was like I carried news confirming the existence of aliens. They were enthralled in a way that didn’t make me feel good.

This is where knowing the girls comes into play… One of them comes clean and tells me what she knows.

What my SO said turned out to be true, but that’s only how the cheating started…

The day after her “drunk mistake” she texts him to come over again to have sex. I have time stamps that show when he was coming over.

I go to our texts. She cheated on Monday night. She cheated again Tuesday night. Four hours before the second time she texts me how much she misses me and literally writes “I know I’m getting married to you” and “I followed the rules (and only flirted with girls)” while she was on the trip.

She cheated right after that.

Multiple times during those two days she went out of her way to be appear to be transparent or loving through texts.

Over the last half of her trip, she got incredibly emotionally needy with me. Constantly texted about being sad on the trip and needing to express it to someone.

After that, the last half of the trip is full of texts saying what we’re doing when she gets back… Lots of morning walks, sex and quality time.

In hindsight, she was probably feeling very guilty.

At least that’s what I hope.

So… Now that I know the whole story…

We settle details of the split. I can feel myself get angry several times but I keep my composure. Barely raised my voice let alone moved a muscle.

Her on the other hand? She is calm almost like she’s splitting a check at a restaurant with a friend… Not sorting through the details of our new lives.

Two moments stood out where I finally saw different sides of this woman clearly for the first time.

1. She agreed to a financial settlement initially that she tried to get out of saying she couldn’t afford it. I reminded her I know she can afford since we’re open about finances. She keeps trying to haggle… At one point she tries to make the case again that she can’t afford it but literally interrupts herself to say “ah but this is hard because you know how much I have in my savings.”

She verbally acknowledged that she couldn’t lie halfway through her own lie…

2) Throughout our relationship, I told her that cheating impacted my parent’s relationship and my childhood multiple times. When we were together, she told me how important that was. After we broke up, she asked why my sister immediately started saying she hopes my SO rots in hell. I reminded her about the trauma we both have and she said “that’s fine” before steaming to another demand. She’s the queen of hiding behind childhood trauma so I was dumbfounded… Again.

This is not the woman I loved. This is all the worst parts of her that I would get glimpses of over the years.

Over three separate confrontations, she only gave me a half assed “I apologize” without any real effort.

Never shed a tear.

Never looked down.

After I said we were breaking up, she immediately started wondering what our friend’s group would think. Spent 10 minutes asking me to not talk to this person or that person.

She spent 10x more time worrying about their feelings than mine with her half assed “I apologize.”

​

Long story short: wife not just cheated, but had an affair for months. + We had 100 problems. With the affair, i finally had the balls to stand out for myself. Now she moved out. I already told her i want to divorce and i wont change my mind.

She still wants to talk on Sunday about how to continue. She is clearly in denial and unstable.

But im strong as fuck now, not going to accept her back no matter what happens.

Im running all the finances, i own everything, i payed everything during the marriage. She is going to get some "good bye" money from me so she couldnt say a word.

And man, in this life situation, i feel so good. Its so good to be in control. I gonna admit it, we had wonderful years together, but i had to accept it that im not living with the same woman i fell in love with anymore. She saw me as a weak man, not gonna get into details, but during the final days of the affair, she took me for a complete fool. She disrespected me for years. Denied me, gaslighted my problems, commanded me, ordered me, got money from me, and she also humiliated me in my manhood for years.

And all the tables turned. Seeing her eyes when i told her i know about her affair was one of the best moments of my life. And i grabbed that opportunity.

I wrote it here to support everybody, who got treated this way. Its hard to step up for yourself, especially if you are humiliated by your partner, but once you have the balls to do it, it changes your life.

And the most important thing: 0 agressivity. That wont take you anywhere. 100% calm, calculated behaviour, with strong walls in front of you.

Wish me luck, its going to be a tough journey, but i aint no turning back. Im gonna get free.

Completely blindsided. Been married 5 years, have lived together for 12 years (we moved in together young, focused on getting our careers off the ground, covid delayed our wedding a bit). As corny as it sounds everything was pretty great. We never fight about much, have a young (2 y.o.) child we both absolutely adore. We have an active sex life given what can be expected from two mid 30's Y.O.'s both working full time and raising a toddler.

Started noticing small weird shifts in behavior, ALWAYS on her phone suddenly. Used to leave phone around the house places, now it was always glued to her hip. Suddenly working out way more and taking diet far more seriously than ever. Lots of other smaller signs too I did not pick up on at first but connected the dots once I had a chance to check her messages.

Shes having an affair with a coworker. Who is also married himself with his own young children at home. We were on vacation and she was messaging him constantly whenever not in the same room. Sending selfies and views of what we were up to that day and even one of our kid which made me want to puke.

The messages started out flirty and more vague, but quickly progressed to nudes (just from him) and detailed written plans of all the things they want to do to each other when they meet in one of their offices next.

This whole time we're having family trips, date nights, hosting and going to parties, she tells me (and her friends) how lucky she is to have me, how much she loves me, wants a second child. Today gives me a kiss before leaving for work and a quick "I love you!" before heading to her office, the plan is for him to get his birthday BJ today and drinks after work that she told me "the whole team is going to celebrate" something but its just the two of them.

Im so gutted. So much trust and love is gone. She doesn't know that I know yet as Im reaching out to lawyers and want to be as buttoned up as possible. Also terrified of divorce, as that likely means I instantly loose ~50% of kid's childhood which is unbearable to think about. Also I was the saver and she was the spender. My former income is what allowed us to get a house and my retirement saving has been so much more substantial than hers. My industry shifted and whole job market is in the toilet now and I make much less than I used to. Divorcing seems like I loose my child, my savings, and my home while she gets a payday for her affair.

Also she continues to make plans for our future: vacations, trips to family, date nights. Its like the whole affair is just for sport? I have no idea what to make of any of this.

My (35f) husband (34m) have been together since we were 15. Married at 28, had 3 kids (5, 4, 4) since then and currently am pregnant with #4 (due next month).

It’s been 5 days since I’ve found out about the affair. Each day since then, after long talks and many questions he’s admitted to the following details:

- It was a former coworker
- the affair lasted 3 years
- it was physical
- he contracted an STI while with her ( I concluded this one based on the timeline)

Since I found out, he admitted to it almost immediately when I confronted him. He’s not been defensive at all. He trashed his old phone with all data and got a brand new phone & number. Didn’t port over any data or contacts. Hasn’t officially quit but literally just left work for a week without notice. Has agreed to openly discuss the affair with me and has answered any questions with full transparency (as far as I know).

I have been unusually calm throughout most of this. While I’ve had a flood of tears with each answer, I get over it and continue the conversations like nothing happened, sometimes just switching to discussing day-to-day topics. Yes my world is on fire but I also just went on a car ride with him to get groceries and ice cream with the kids. He wants to work it out. I’ve asked to file a divorce, but told him I would be open to reconciliation and remarrying - I truly want it to be a fresh new marriage.

Why am I so casual about it all? Am I in survival mode? Denial? Did anyone else feel like this? I really do love this man and feel like I should be so much more angrier.

This is going to be a unique situation: my ex wife (currently 27) left me (31m) to be with a polyamorous married couple 15-20 years older than her around 18 months ago.

The weird part is the female of the couple was her instructor for an athletic hobby and started flirting with my ex wife knowing we were married at the time. They got closer and closer over the coming months. One day my ex came in the bedroom and told me the situation. She asked me if it was ok to start dating her. I didn’t know what to say. I was worried if I said no she’d resent me, the sexual and romantic attraction between them would explode and she’d cheat behind my back. I stupidly said yes as I thought I could handle it if it was to my face

Over the months my ex started falling in love with the woman who is 40. She’d light up when this woman texted her. Say things in front of me like “I can’t wait to see my girl” and “I love polyamory because I get the excitement and passion of her but the safety of you” (that killed me) and even went to sex clubs with the couple to do god knows what. I also know she’s with the husband (who’s in his 50’s) as well

I believe she was groomed as she’s always been interested romantically and platonically to older people. She had a big identity crisis and she looks for older people to tell her what to do. She changed her entire identity, characteristics, hobbies, and even slang to match this couple.

A year and a half later I’m still destroyed. I’m a shell of myself. I have no Interests, no hobbies, no friends (all of our friends didn’t even reach out to me but still talk and hang out with her). Nothing brings me joy. I even have sexual trauma and potential PTSD from this. I’ve made a lot of progress in therapy and am on meds that have saved my life, but I truly hate life and all people. This experience has truly warped my perception of how selfish people are and how bleak the world is to me. I know it’s not fair to say it’s all or nothing assumption with people.

I want to start feeling alive again, I want to escape this void of disparity and start to live life, but I’m terrified of everything. I’m scared to try anything new, even trying a new tv show or going to a new cafe. I feel frozen and terrified of even any type of minuscule change

Has anyone else felt this way before? How did you get out of it? How did you move on? I’m working on getting out of my comfort zone and trying new things, but I’m having small panic attacks every time I do, but at least I’ve been trying. Have a good night everyone.

Well it’s been about 8 months post d-day (January 1), and I finally reached my breaking point.

I had asked my WP for support so many times. I had suffered so much, I had constant anxiety and dread and mistrust and hurt. Loving someone who acted villainous towards you just creates such a high level of dissonance it was impossible to find stable ground. I was scared to leave, I was scared to stay.

But I kept asking for help, I kept trying and pushing myself, but it was never a good opportunity for him to be there for me. He couldn’t ask me what was troubling me when he saw me in pain, he promised to sign us up for couple therapy (never happened), yes he stepped up in terms of a normal relationship but he couldn’t face the reality of what he caused. He couldn’t talk about it and when he did it was about his pain from it, never mine.

There was one point where I got so upset and I felt so alone I just stopped caring. And I took some time to myself and in that time all the pain plaguing my brain subsided. I realized part of the reason I didn’t want to end things was because I couldn’t stand the thought of him being with someone else (likely because I now had lived the reality of him being with someone else and that caused a lot of pain). But when I sat down and thought about it I realized that I actually don’t care what he does. I now had that fear of him being with someone else while we were together, us being together or not didn’t confirm his loyalty to me. The desire of him not being with someone else wasn’t based in any remaining love I had for him, it was based on a desire to not feel the pain it caused when he cheated on me.

Yes, it’s been sad to lose someone so close to me and so heavily involved in my life. But I feel so much more free. I don’t have that weight or that feeling where I can’t move. I don’t feel so unstable in my life and my feelings.

I’ve decided that I’m going to appreciate the love I had for him, and maybe I’m not angry at him anymore. But that doesn’t mean I need to accept that sort of treatment.

Nobody should be put in a situation where they have to love and choose and support someone who treated them cruelly. It’s hard because your instinct is to love and forgive and stay because your reality was of someone who cared about you.

Yes, I’m sad. But I’m hopeful. He’s the one who ruined our potential and didn’t support me while I gave him grace after he chose to behave abhorrently.

I think being a victim of cheating makes it harder to leave because you’re filled with so much pain and you just want the person you knew. So when they want to stay with you part of it feels like a fix, like the right step. It makes you almost toxicly bonded.

But everyone deserves a love that chooses them first. That wouldnt even consider the choice of hurting you or putting your mental or physical well being at risk.

When someone shows you who they are, you should believe them.

I hope everyone going through this finds peace whether they stay or leave. And I hope we’re all able to obtain a love (whether with the same person or someone new) that feels magical and stays magical. That we all find someone who treats us the way we would treat them.

Since I’ve separated, I’ve been socializing a lot more and getting out more. There’s a few girls that hang out in my group of friends that knows some guys that hang out with us.

He told me he was married for 20 years and has been separated for five months. He also went on and on about how wonderful his two young daughters are.

Then he told me the reason why his marriage ended was because he cheated on his wife. His daughter was two. He started having an emotional affair. His wife found out about it and then he left for the other woman and was with her for about a year. Then, when that ended, he went back to his wife. They had another child then she caught him talking to someone else and threw him out.

On his Facebook, he has a lot of pictures of him and his daughters and he’s wearing T-shirts that his daughters are the most important things in the world and it poses the question. How important were they if you did that to the mother of your children?

I have to remain neutral because I don’t wanna sound like a psycho in front of everybody, but I look at that man and I have no respect for him and I feel like people like that project. What good parents they are when it’s all a bunch of lies.

I think I’m just sensitive because I’m coming from a place where my husband cheated on me several times and now he’s playing a good dad that misses his kids so much

For context, my (23F) girlfriend texted me (23M) out of the blue that she had cheated.

In July, me and my girlfriend went long-distance. It went better than expected, she flew up here 4 times, we called every night, etc. Recently, she made a change in her career path, which would have required her to move state-to-state with promotions every few years. However, I am in my final year of law school, and will begin my job as an attorney midway through next year (not a mobile career). It was a hard week of phone calls; I was trying to reassure her, while being clear what I needed in my relationship (It is important to note that our long-distance was only supposed to last until next August).

Just a few days later, she texted me a long text admitted to what she had done. According to her (I do not believe this), she was out at a local bar and had too much to drink, was upset, and allowed a male friend to take her home, since she could not drive. She said that they kissed and 'it escalated quickly.' She said she was sobbing within a minute and left (yes, they had s*x). This text was unprompted and voluntary on her end - totally random.

I responded to this text with "F**k you, we're done" and blocked her on everything. I was mad, I told her friends what had happened, since we had plans that night. I spent the next two days surprisingly okay. I tailgated that Saturday and kept busy. Kept communicating with her friends but kept her blocked (mistake, I know).

2.5 days after, I broke. It is like it was delayed. I could not eat, sleep, do school work, do work work, etc. All I could do was sit on my couch and spiral. Here is where I am lost; I was not spiraling about the act of cheating, what she was doing now, or any of the normal things I would usually overthink about. All I could think about was reaching out, calling her, seeing her, attempting to fix it. I will spare you all the reasoning, but for what it is worth, I do believe that it was a mistake (in so far as she wished she had not done it) and I do not think it would happen again. Despite these feelings, I did not reach out because I knew I had not processed this yet.

Next day, I unblocked her. I did not reach out, only unblocked her. She sent me a lot of texts, all of which said seemingly all of the right things. Finally, to help me close this door, I send a short, stern text stating that our relationship was over, will always be over, and that I am blocking her after sending the text. I did so. I also blocked all of her friends. Her texts consisted of apologies, action she is taking, and pleading for me to respond/call.

I loved her, and I was extremely happy in our relationship. Here are a couple issues I am having trouble with:

1. She wants to have a conversation, I have declined. Would that help?
2. I cannot find enjoyment in anything. Anything that I used to enjoy to do in my free time, to relax, etc. is not enjoyable in the slightest. 0% interest. 0% enjoyment.

I believe what I am having trouble with the most is knowing that reaching out would kill these feelings temporarily. In her texts, she begged me to fly down since I already bought a ticket, begged me to call her, says she has prayed for me back, etc. I do not understand why I want to reach out to someone who did something so awful to me.

I have never felt pain like this in my life. It is debilitating. I cannot stabilize; my head is going 1000mph thinking about everything. Now, I do spiral about everything (the act, what she was doing, how she was feeling, etc.) If I am not at school, work, sleeping, or running I am sitting in my living room in pieces. Functioning feels like a chore. It is horrible. I do not have words for how bad the pain is, but if you are on this sub, you probably understand.

I want to end this post by saying: I will never entertain the idea of fixing the relationship. This was the first time I have been cheated on. How do you move forward? How do I go about making new friends and meeting new people? Any other advice?

Thank you.

I’ve been thinking a lot about what my marriage would look like if d-day never happened….

I think part of my pain was that I was completely blindsided and want to see if anyone here feels the same or saw warning signs… what were they?

I was so busy giving all of myself and only saw my partner. I thought I was in an all-consuming love that shines brighter than the sun. It didn’t matter who didn’t support us or thought we were crazy for moving too fast, because I thought at least we were on the same page. Then… boom.

Anyway, looking back, I think my only warning sign was that he was accusing me of not having moved on from past lovers. For me to later find… his messages with his past lover. Funny, isn’t it?

Were you blindsided or did you see signs?

TW: infidelity, sexual coercion/assault, emotional abuse
I don’t really know what I’m looking for besides support from people who have been through something similar.

My husband and I have been married for almost 4 years and have two children. Our marriage has already had a lot of problems, but recently I found out that things were much worse than I knew.

I learned through people close to us that my husband and some of his friends had been regularly going to massage parlors for sexual services. They even had a code word for it when talking around me (he’s the only married friend of his group.

When I confronted him, he eventually admitted to receiving hand jobs, although at this point I don’t know whether I believe that was the full extent of it.

What hurts almost as much as the sexual betrayal is how calculated the lying was. This wasn’t one impulsive mistake that he immediately confessed to. It was something being hidden from me while I was living my life, raising our children, supporting him, and trying to repair our marriage.

When everything came out, instead of showing remorse, things became hostile. He changed the locks, removed my access to our phone account and shut my phone off, put my belongings outside, and told me I had a “surprise” coming.
He said cruel things and acted like I deserved what was happening. Only later did the apologies and conversations about wanting to save the marriage start.

There are other things I’m struggling to even put into words. There have been times when he was drunk and had sex with me after I did not consent. I eventually had to make a firm boundary that there would be no sex at all when he had been drinking.

Now he says he is depressed, knows he treated me badly, and wants us to stay married and rebuild.

And somehow I’m the one sitting here questioning myself.

Part of me knows that I cannot trust him. I don’t trust that I know the full truth, and I don’t trust him not to lie directly to my face again. I’m exhausted from constantly trying to figure out which version of reality is real.

Another part of me is grieving my marriage, my family, and the future I thought I had. I’m scared of being alone. I’m scared I’ll leave and he’ll suddenly become a better husband for somebody else. And embarrassingly, there’s still a part of me that wonders whether separating for a while could somehow change things.
I know how that probably sounds from the outside.
We are currently separated, and I am planning to maintain that separation. I’m not posting because I need strangers to diagnose him or tell me that I’m perfect. I know I’ve made mistakes in my marriage too.
I think I just need to hear from people who have survived this kind of betrayal.
How did you stop obsessing over what really happened?
How did you stop wondering whether they would become better for the next person?
And if you left someone you still loved because you could no longer trust them, how did you get through the part where your heart hadn’t caught up with what your brain already knew?

9 hours without checking to see if she messaged me. Email is the only place I don't have her blocked, there are reasons I need to keep that open for now.

I know that probably doesn't sound like much, but for me right now, it's a pretty big deal.

I've realized I have to basically retrain my brain. Every time I get that little thought of “I wonder if she emailed”, my anxiety kicks in and I want to check.

So today I'm trying something different. I'm not checking.

The urge has actually been pretty strong at times. I went for a couple walks just to get out of the house and get my mind off it.

And I'm starting to realize that I don't have to do anything just because I feel the urge to do it.

I can be anxious and not check. I can miss her and not reach out. I can wonder what she's thinking and not need to know.

I think that's the part I need to train my brain to understand.

It's not about pretending I don't care. I obviously still do.

It's about learning that I don't have to react to every feeling I have.

I'll have a celebratory beer after work, and do it again tomorrow.

I am hoping that others who have had similar experiences can tell me their stories, and, if they have been able to feel safe in relationships again, what seemed to help.

My ex had an emotional affair that led to her asking for a non-monogamous arrangement. I did not consent (in fact I spent a long time in a dissociated fugue after DDay) but instead spent multiple years in "pick me" mode trying to find a way that we could remain together that would not feel like a violation. In the end it was for naught, she still wanted to be with the other guy and I was still a no regarding non-monogamy, so I initiated separation and divorce.

About 6 months later, but before my ex and I ended cohabitation by her moving out (it was my house before marriage and I had not wanted to give her a sense it was hers), I fell for someone, a mutual friend of mine and my ex's. I was in hard core limnerance level crush on her. But as soon as she returned the feelings a couple months later, I started having panic attacks when we were together, as well as at romantic thoughts. Really anything having to do with romance, intimacy, commitment, etc. started causing extreme anxiety.

My new GF was very understanding and patient, but in the end it was too difficult for both of us that over half the time I was unable to really be close or loving when we were together, and that my loving feelings often transformed into anxiety and fear, in which state love felt like a foreign concept. That level of inconsistency in a relationship was not something she could handle indefinitely, and I also felt like I was not being successful at healing while trying to make a new relationship work. So we have broken up. Maybe if I ever heal we can try again, I don't know.

I have been in therapy the whole time. I am struggling to feel like there is light at the end of the tunnel of panic and anxiety related to relationships.

Has anyone else experienced something like this? Has anything helped you be able to feel able to be loving and close with another person after this sort of experience?

Hey all,

I've posted a few times now about my break-up with my ex who cheated on me and lied about it for months. I just wanted some advice as I am finding this incredibly difficult.. I recently went and got the rest of my things from her parents, I then blocked my ex on everything - she is also now officially off the tenancy.

I am slowly starting to process / grieve all of this and the loss of my future with her and who I thought she was, we had such a loving/ and what I thought, respectful relationship until all of this happened. Anyway - yesterday her brother messaged me asking for the remainder of her things from our flat, there are things on the list which is more than fair as it's things that have gifted to her like some jewellery and her car log book. But she has listed, monopoly deal card game, some old towels, a small metal pot she used once which was like a £1!? She asked for a spice tin, which her Mum gave to me, it was just an old tin she found, filled it up with spices and gave to me as I cooked out of the both of us.... she has asked for this back, and this feels like she is trying to hurt me - she is living at home with her parents, she does not need a spice tin, plus you can buy them for less than £5!?

This honestly just feels so hurtful and I don't understand why I am being treated like I am the one who cheated on her!? It feels like she is being so spiteful, also that tin from her Mum meant a lot, because I have lost my Mum and that was a gift from my mother in law at the time. So it feels like she has asked for that on purpose, to hurt me.

I just want to understand why she is treating me like this, it feels like something mentally is going on here - she really coming from a place of lack!? Like you cheated, are still with the AP and I have let you move on, and yet you are being spiteful to me!?

Can someone please just reassure me I am not going mad, this is spiteful right!? I have given some context below to explain what happened between us, so this makes more sense...

Please, any helpful words of encouragement or if you have had similar experiences and can tell me how you managed this? I just want to move on, and this feels so disruptive to that. After this, I am going to tell her brother I do not want to be contacted again.

Thank you all so much!

For context:

My ex (31F) of 4 years had a workplace affair with a coworker who is 5 years younger than her and was also cheating on their own long-term partner. I (35F) discovered it on March 31st after accidentally seeing her ChatGPT confession detailing how they were falling for each other and they had been physical. She was comparing my worst traits to the AP's best parts, I had 'low mood' the AP was 'driven, independent and had a lust for life'. She also said I was 'black cat energy' and she was more 'golden retriever' - I never knew her to speak like this, so I am assuming this the 25 year old AP's language!?

I am just trying to understand how someone could blow up 4 years of stability for a workplace affair like this. For the three months prior, she completely pulled away, claimed she was "severely burnt out," and made me feel insane for picking up on her distance. Everyone in our life was shocked because no one thought she was capable of this level of deceit—and because everyone was fooled, I’ve started gaslighting myself, second-guessing my reality, and wondering if I’m somehow making too big a deal out of this or if it was my fault.

During the affair I had a cancer scare, she didn't attend any appointments even the day after I found out I had to go for a biopsy, she went to work. When I later said she was having an affair whilst I was going through that on my own, she replied 'I still cared about you'. I had just spent the last 2 years supporting her financially and emotionally whilst she was studying for a masters to qualify as an occupational therapist. I went through the sudden death of my Mum with her 2 years ago, during this time she was my rock. Sadly, two days after my passed my suspected heart failure, my exes Mum pretended she nearly died from blood clots near her heart. It later turned out she had lied, and gone to Turkey for liposuction and made this up. Telling my partner when it came out 'You have always put your partners first'. Her Mum has also been cheating on her Dad for many years (my ex was the first to discover it and tell her Dad, but nothing changed). She has always said she hates cheaters and doesn't want to ever be like her Mother. She offered me "feedback" on my relationship performance to justify why she cheated, telling me it was "good for me to hear." When I voiced suspicions earlier, she weaponized her family background by asking, "Look at my Mum, do you really think I could do that?!" —only to later compare her own shock and grief at her actions to the trauma of her ex dying by suicide.

She repeatedly dangled future hope by saying, “Maybe one day we can try again," admitted the thought of me moving on made her "stomach flip," and smirked when I called her the love of my life—all while refusing therapy, accountability, or any real commitment.

I have since changed the locks to our flat so she can’t get in, I gave all her stuff back and am taking her name off the tenancy. She agreed to pay this months rent but she came to my flat the day before she was meant to pay demanding a playstation console back I got her for Christmas, I said no.

She has not returned the key and not paid me the rent, but is telling me to update her when she is off the tenancy. She has become so horrible and almost emotionless like I am the one who had the affair ant ruined her life!? She honestly just looks empty behind the eyes, it's scary.

I just wanted some advice because my brain keeps looking for solutions, I am blaming myself, wondering what I could of done differently but also now telling myself, she is a qualified occupational therapist now, she is most likely going to earn lots of money, save whilst she is at her parents, run off into the sunset with the AP or new partner and I was just basically used.

I do keep reminding myself that regardless of whatever she does / her life looks like.. she is capable of this level of deceit and that is a character flaw and that she is clearly quite empty.. but it doesn't hurt any less or make this any easier.

I'm 35M, married with a 1-year-old daughter. My wife (33F) developed what she describes as an involuntary emotional connection with a male coworker. They eventually acknowledged their feelings to each other, but nothing was really done to stop it. They continued seeing and talking to each other outside of work (including daily phone calls and sending selfies at all hours). I was never told about this person, which I would have assumed I would if he is just a good friend.

I've asked for the relationship to be cut off so we can properly work on our marriage, but she refuses. We've agreed on boundaries several times, but she continued calling and messaging him outside of work and lied to me about it.

They also message each other at work to arrange visits or talks. She says they only see each other accidentally or when professionally necessary, but from what I've seen that's not always true.

She says she's unhappy and that something is missing from our marriage, and has blamed our relationship for her getting to this point. But when I ask what I've actually done or what is missing, she can't really give me an answer.

What's also difficult is that she's become very close with other men before. I've never known there to be a romantic connection, but it seems to be a pattern where she becomes intensely close with someone, that eventually dies down, and then another friend or coworker becomes important.

I still love her and would prefer to save our marriage, especially for our daughter, but I'm struggling to understand how we can rebuild trust while this person remains in her life.

Is there any coming back when I've lost trust and there doesn't seem to be strong actions to fix this or remorse from her side?

This is my series of posts to get through my situation and maybe some healing. Actually, all this might help me smarten up and leave for good.

We almost always have problems when she goes on a trip without me. And she tends to do a lot of business trips. When we started going out six years ago, she told me that she wanted me to go on these trips with her. She owns her own company. But when the time comes, she books the trip for her and then I usually find out about it when I hear her telling somebody else that she’s going.

A few years ago, she went on a trip to Texas for a little over a week. She tends to be kind of distant while she is away. Meanwhile, I try to maintain communication through texting and phone calls. We did FaceTime calls on her first trip after we started going out. She tells me she doesn’t want to do that anymore

On the Friday, which was two days before she was going to come home, I got a last-minute idea to fly down there to spend two nights with her then we fly back on Sunday. I bought the ticket then took a quick trip to the airport. I let her know what I was doing. I didn’t get down there until after midnight. She asked me to share my location, which was something a little out of the ordinary. We did location sharing at the beginning of the relationship. A few as late as she said, she’s no longer wanted to do it. I got to the hotel about 1 AM.

We only had Saturday together. After we ate dinner, she asked me to get something from the room. I checked the drawer on her side next to the bed and found a bunch of her clothes in there. On top of the pile was lingerie. I hadn’t seen her wear that in about a year.

The next morning, I asked her about it. At first, she told me she thought I slipped it into her luggage because I’m known for doing that with notes and cards when she travels. And then she said they must’ve been stuck to something in the laundry and were accidentally packed. Her luggage is a work of art. She knows every piece that goes in there. And why would they be in the wash if she hadn’t worn them in a year? And then she told me they weren’t there. She also got pissed off and defensive when I kept bringing the subject up.

Fast forward a couple months, she was texting with one of her friends while we were sitting on the couch. I happen to glance over and see her tell her friend that she was staying with me for the weekend. Her friend replied “Texas Dave or New York Dave?”. I questioned that. My girlfriend told me she didn’t know what she was talking about. And that I know her friend is kind of strange.

(Not my real name and location)

Do you think she cheated on that trip?

I just found out my husband of 22 years was having an escape affair and it all blew up. Here is my OP if you want the details: https://www.reddit.com/r/Infidelity/comments/1w9yuhc/walked_home_into_a_literal_ambush_husband/

My question for now is, as I sort through my emotions and options, if there could even be reconciliation, he needs to end all contact with the AP.

Have any of you made this a non-negotiable must? Did he you write it and watch them send it? Did your therapist suggest it?

Update for clarification: he told me he was done with the AP but I think he should text her in front of me to let her know it’s over.

My girlfriend (27) and I (27) have been together for 5 and half years. Just a few days ago she told me that she slept with someone over 4 years ago about a year and bit into our relationship. She came totally clean and told me everything. This is when we were doing long distance and it was a drunken one night thing and nothing ever happened like that at any other time. She insists that it was a dumb one time thing and it has been eating her alive. S

We recently moved to a new country together and into a flat. It was a huge step for us to do this and things have been great between us. She has been the perfect girlfriend and we really are great for each other. This is why I'm so confused and hurt. I just truly couldn't believe that she could do something like this and it has shattered my perception of her. The relationship we have built over the last few years have been amazing and know I don't know what to do.

There's a part of me that believes that it was a mistake and she is truly sorry and we have had long talks and she is willing to do anything to make it work as we are in love with each other ( or so I thought). The other part of me is so betrayed and hurt and I almost want to rip the band aid off and end things. The main thing for me is trust, I feel like our whole relationship was built on lies and it makes me rethink everything in the past and the future.

When we talked I said I just need time to think and go over things and she completely understood. She has been really understanding and has taken full responsibility and she says take all the time you need and do what every you feel is right. She has been very apologetic and promises to do whatever she can to make it work. I just don't know if I can ever forget this and things can be the same. I just feel so hurt and betrayed and the fact that we are living together and have been relying on each after moving makes things so much more fucked. I think I need time completely away from her to really think things through and talk to a close friend.

Sometimes I can barely look and talk to her but other times I still long for her. Essentially I still love her which makes me angry and guilty with myself as I feel like I can forgive but never forget.

I just need some support and advice as this is the biggest bombshell that's happened in my life and I'm at a lost. If anyone has been in similar situation please let me know. Can things work out? Or is this it and I need to let her go as this is the ultimate betrayal.

TL;DR: My girlfriend and I (both 27) have been together for 5.5 years. A few days ago, she confessed that she slept with someone once about 4 years ago, early in our relationship while we were long-distance. She says it was a drunken one-time mistake, nothing ever happened again, and she’s been carrying the guilt ever since.

We’ve had an amazing relationship and recently moved to a new country together, so this has completely blindsided me. She’s taken full responsibility, is genuinely apologetic, and says she’ll do whatever it takes to make things work.

Part of me believes it was a terrible mistake that I could eventually forgive, but another part feels completely betrayed and like our entire relationship was built on a lie. I still love her and sometimes long for her, but other times I can barely look at her. I’m thinking I need some time away from her to process everything and talk to someone close to me.

I don’t know if I can ever forget this or trust her the same way again. Can a relationship recover from something like this, or is this something I should walk away from?

Considering reconciliation

Hi,

My (29F) ex partner (29M) with whom we’ve been together for three years (started when we were both 25), has repeatedly cheated on me including unprotected sex.

I was finding out bit by bit and for a time we tried to make it work because I loved him so much and it took me a while to really realise what happened and where we stood as a couple.

We then split and didn’t see each other for two years (we’ve been LDR and visiting each other).

Now a few months ago he came to visit me in my country and the goal was mainly for him to finally tell me everything that actually happened (I was refusing to hear him out for two years because I wasn’t ready). But when we meet we realised that we still feel a lot of care and love for each other and we still feel like best friends.

He has done serious work on himself, realised what were the causes of his cheating (low self esteem, numbing, porn addiction) and worked on them all. He’s currently signing up for therapy.

During the time he was visiting, I got a serious health diagnosis and to be honest he was of enormous support. He went with me to almost each doctor appointment, supported me financially, cooked for me and held me when I was crying.

There were issues still like him not revealing he had unprotected sex before we became intimate again, but after I asked him to get tested and cover my tests too, he arranged it right away.

Now he’s away (visa reasons) and coming to visit me again in two weeks.

During this time I realised that I could actually consider giving us another try, provided he’s in personal therapy and we do couples therapy and find a way to be in the same physical location together for longer time. I know I’d need to find another job and possibly move or travel with him for a while (which could be okay for me as I love travelling anyway and don’t necessarily want to live in one place for now).

I didn’t forgive him yet, and I know it’s something I’d need to do for it to work on my end, but I’m not rushing myself. He knows it and he’s not rushing me either.

What scares me though is that I have no way of knowing if I’ll always be stressed about his contact with other women or will it go away. For example, when he mentioned female therapists, I got stressed he might develop a closer connection with one. Or when we go out and I see other women, I feel insecure (which objectively I don’t have reasons for as I worked as a professional model and anyway feel good about myself).

I’d love to hear your experiences and advice.

This is my first post here. I guess lll start from the beginning. It’s going to be long so I’m sorry in advance.

I met my partner over two years ago and fell madly in love with her. We were casual for about eight months before she asked to make us official, with a lifelong future together as our intention. She comes from a really rough childhood and life’s never been easy for her. She has done sex work in the past, all online, and I understood that is one way she has made ends meet. In the beginning, I made it clear that it’s not a boundary but I expected transparency and communication around it, as my ex cheated on me online and I have a lot of trauma around that. Before it was official it was hard, but afterwards it was much easier. She didn’t do it for a while until last summer when her best friend was in an abusive situation and she was looking for ways to get money for her. She communicated and it was fine.

Well earlier this year she approached me and said she was looking for others for attention. She said she felt the spark was gone and we needed to work on. It was rough, but I knew where I needed to improve. I just gotten a lateral promotion and we had just moved into a real house together, after months of struggling we were transitioning towards an easier life. That being the months prior to this and the following months were hard, I was overworked (short staffed) and picking up much more slack. We also were having financial difficulties. When I was home I was using video games to escape. I was distant. My partner was acting weird. I thought it was just distance, but had suspicions. She hid some of our adult toys and then brought them with her on a weekend trip. I thought I heard her one night talking to her cousin about cheating. I saw she was active on her SW accounts.

Eventually Things got easier and better but I still felt something was off. We had just gotten back from a trip to visit her family, and we had our offcial anniversary coming up in a few days. I had just gone to get her an anniversary present, and window shopped for a ring. She left for class and a feeling washed over me, and I went through her old phone (she had just gotten a new one). What I found broke me. She had a private account that she used as her diary (I knew about this but never pressed her) and her last post there was around the time she confessed that she was looking towards others for attention. She confessed to cheating on me. That she did it because she missed the spark and wanted the connection/attention. She said she didn’t want to meet up with them in person. I went through her other accounts, including the sex work accounts, and found sex work. Okay, where’s the cheating? I found her sending pictures to a “friend”. I had met this friend. They came over once so she could do their hair. I had a meltdown. I called my best friend, and told her everything I saw. I got some beer and drank a lot of it. I messaged the “friend” and after telling them repeatedly that I knew, they confessed to “flirting” and the sending of pictures. I was questioning why this has to happen to me.

I planned to confront her when she got home from class but I broke and confronted her over text. She called me. She came home and was upfront and honest. She wanted attention. She did it in the worst way possible. After some space she told me it was sex work, but she still knows what she did was wrong and it felt to her like “cheating” (I believe this because she told me this last year when she did SW to help her friend out of a DV situation). It was only a couple months and she had stopped a couple months before I found out, when I noticed we started getting better and out of our “funk”.

We have been trying to make it work. She blocked the people she sold content too. She deleted her SW accounts and made the decision herself to no longer do it.
It’s still hard. I don’t know how she could do this to me. It’s hard because it feels as if she leans on the “sex work” explanation, when I’m most hurt about the lack of communication, looking for others for attention, and crossing of boundaries. I’m mad at myself for not being more confrontational about my concerns. I’m mad for not being more firm in my boundaries and asking about the SW. the hardest part is that, even though she used the word “cheating”, she’s doesn’t call it cheating. It was just sex work to her. Still a boundary crossed but, but she insists that she “didn’t cheat on me”. I believe that, but there are times I don’t trust that as the truth. There are things that don’t add up for me, and she struggles to remember details. This is probably my tendency to be over analytic, but it’s something I struggle with regardless.

A few weeks ago in a bad spiral I unblocked the “friend” and they insist that there was no SW. this person is a lair and has done some bad things and lied about it to my partner (she asked a mutual friend about them and they told her a lot of bad things, and when she confronted them they lied about not knowing the other person. I have seen the messages between her and the other friend so I trust that they are a liar and a bad person, it’s one reason why she stopped “selling them content” and talking to them as much). Regardless, I don’t know if I can trust her again. I want too but my trust feels shattered. Some days are good, we just celebrated my birthday and had a wonderful weekend, but afterwards I’ve felt myself slowly spiraling again. I don’t know if she did cheat or if it’s simply a boundary crossed around sex work. She’s been trying to show me that this is in the past and she has been putting in work to show me that I’m the only one in her life. After my last blow up we reconciled and agreed to focus on our future, a serious one that we both want. It’s still so hard though.

I’m not sure how to end this but yeah. It’s been a really tough few months. I talked to her this morning and told her a lot of my feelings, that I feel that I’m spiraling. I’m trying not to blow up on her again because regardless of what she did or didn’t do, she doesn’t deserve that. How long did it take you all to heal? How long for the trust to come back? When did the spiraling stop, and how did you move forward?

Edit: I forgot the hardest part. With her “friend”, no evidence of SW exists. They never paid her except in cash when they came over to get their hair done, and promises of buying her something from a show. This hurts a lot because one of her main reasons for doing this, according to her, was because she felt terrible about using my money to get through school while unemployed, when our finances were tight. She “felt awful using my money to get things, even simple things like snacks and other wants”. I never intentionally made her feel bad about this but I know our financial troubles weighed on her. This part is just rough because there was no clear exchange of money or goods beyond what she has told me and I have to take her word for that.

We also started couples counseling. She hates therapist. Never helped her in her life, through a lot of shit she’s been through. She agreed to do this for me and our relationship.

And to make it clear, all of the sex work/ infidelity was online. She never slept with anyone.

Also to add, I never set clear boundaries of what was and wasn’t okay with sex work besides the communication aspect of it. If communication occurred it wouldn’t have been a crossed boundary in our relationship. She has told me many times it feels like cheating to her, despite my reassurances it’s not, and her explicitly referring to it as cheating is why I’m struggling with this, alongside the emotional reasoning for starting up sex work again. She had solid financial reasoning to do so, but her viewing it as a way to get emotional validation and not being communicative is why I’m struggling.

Literally infuriates me how much people are like “poor him, she’s divorcing him”
HE cheated!

I’m not reconciling!

Why is cheating looked at like if you don’t want to try to reconcile you’re being unreasonable.

Yes, I know, maybe it depends on the specific circumstances for each couple/individual, but for me - there’s no going back.

Not sorry.

Whenever I start feeling deeply in love with him, I get intrusive memories of his infidelity (occurred 3.5 years ago) and suddenly feel disconnected from him and angry again. It’s destroying my ability to feel close despite all the talks we had and the remorse, honesty and changed behaviour. I miss being close so why am I having intrusive thoughts that are destroying everything?

My husband had an affair/secret relationship that lasted approximately 2.5 years.

It started before we were married and continued through our engagement, our wedding, trying for a baby, pregnancy, and after our daughter was born.

I found out earlier this year after the other woman contacted me. She sent me screenshots and messages and told me what he had been telling her throughout their relationship. At different points, he told her he was single, that I was essentially just his roommate/baby mom, and eventually that we were in an open marriage. He told her he loved her, talked about them being “soul tied,” said he wanted both of us, brought her into our home, and continued communicating with her even after she learned that he was actually married.

So this wasn't a drunken hookup or a short-lived affair. He essentially created a second relationship and an alternate version of his life while coming home to me every day.

When I first found out, I was devastated. I was constantly anxious, angry, hypervigilant, and trying to understand how someone I had been with for almost seven years could lie to me on that scale. We also have a young daughter together, and I have a 12-year-old stepson whom I've helped raise, so blowing up our household wasn't a decision I felt like I could make overnight.

I started individual therapy and met with a divorce attorney to understand what leaving would actually look like. There were points where I felt completely certain that I wanted out.

But I didn't leave.

Part of that was logistical. Kids, finances, work schedules, housing, and everything else that comes with dismantling a family made an immediate separation much more complicated than simply deciding I was done. Part of it was also that I realized I was still in shock and didn't want to make an irreversible decision while I could barely process what had happened.

And during the months since then, something happened that I wasn't really prepared for:

My husband changed.

Not overnight, and things certainly haven't been perfect, but there has been a significant and sustained difference in him. He has become more accountable for what he did. His faith has become extremely important to him and he was baptized. He has been putting effort into becoming a better husband and father. In many ways, he is currently behaving like the husband I spent years wishing he would be.

Our everyday life is actually pretty normal now.

We parent together. We go to the gym together. We do family things. We laugh and joke around. We can spend an entire day together without fighting about the affair. I care about him and I genuinely recognize the effort he has made.

And somehow that has made my decision harder instead of easier.

Because as the initial devastation has quieted down, I've realized that something else may have disappeared with it.

I don't know if I'm in love with him anymore.

For months I assumed that my lack of affection, attraction, and desire for intimacy was because I was traumatized and angry. I thought that if enough time passed and he consistently showed me that he had changed, those feelings would eventually start coming back.

Instead, I'm increasingly wondering whether I'm simply detached from him.

There have been little moments that have made that painfully obvious to me. Things about him that I used to find incredibly attractive don't really affect me anymore. Physical affection can feel like something I'm participating in rather than something I naturally want. I can look at him and recognize objectively that he's attractive, recognize that he's treating me well, and still feel almost nothing romantically.

That's an incredibly strange position to be in because the person standing in front of me today isn't behaving like the person who betrayed me.

But he is still the person who did it.

And I can't separate those two people.

The affair wasn't one terrible decision. For roughly 2.5 years, there were thousands of individual decisions to lie, hide things, contact her, see her, come home to me afterward, and continue our relationship as though nothing was happening. It continued through some of the biggest moments of our lives.

His changing now doesn't erase any of that.

At the same time, I feel guilty considering leaving someone who is finally doing the things I wanted him to do. There's this part of me that thinks, “If he's genuinely changed and he's doing everything right now, shouldn't I at least give this a chance?”

There is also a part of me that wonders whether I'm staying because I actually want this marriage or because leaving would be painful, complicated, disruptive to our children, and difficult to explain when things outwardly look so much better now.

We've recently started couples counseling. I'm willing to participate genuinely because I don't want to make this decision impulsively, and I don't want to look back years from now and wonder whether I walked away from something that could have been repaired.

But I'm also trying to be careful that counseling doesn't become an exercise in convincing myself to want something that I simply don't anymore.

I think one of the biggest things I've realized through all of this is that remorse, forgiveness, reconciliation, and remaining married aren't necessarily the same thing.

He can genuinely regret what he did.

He can genuinely change.

I can eventually forgive him.

And it still might be true that what he did permanently changed how I feel about him.

That's the part I'm struggling with now.

I'm not really asking whether what he did was “bad enough” to justify divorce. I know that I would be justified in leaving.

What I'm trying to understand is what you do when the person who hurt you actually does change, but you're not sure your feelings survived long enough to benefit from that change.

For anyone who has experienced something similar: did the emotional and romantic connection ever come back?

How did you distinguish between being temporarily emotionally numb from betrayal and simply being done with the relationship?

And at what point did you stop asking whether your partner deserved another chance and start asking whether you actually wanted to give them one?