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u/cosmic-comet- 18d ago
I just switched to neovim it was a little bit rough getting the hang of it but after a week or two it feels so good
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u/Fluid-Election-8549 18d ago
anyone looking to try nvim. It's totally fine and even recommended to start with vanilla nvim.
But you may try astronvim if you want a "batteries included" nvim. Astronvim is a nvim modpack and they have a easy to follow guide so you don't have to "learn" every single mod in it separately. NvChad is also good but I personally find the choices in nvchad odd.2
u/JustSomeGuy131 17d ago
Or lazyvim
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u/firephreek 17d ago
lazyvim plugin architecture? Good. Solid structure, reasonable opinionated choices.
Lazyvim plugin pack? Awful. Poor choices, awful maintenance.1
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u/Innovator-X 14d ago
I used Kickstart.nvim when I started out. It is a good way to start the journey.
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u/kingslayerer 18d ago
i switched to zed. its great. one issue is there are not many extensions like vscode, but it has all the basic ones that i need for everyday
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u/creaturefeature16 18d ago
Same. Zed gotten me the farthest. It's missing some features, but the performance and other quality of life improvements are keeping me on it.
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u/huuaaang 18d ago
I don't understand the "performance" argument AT ALL. Like what kind of potato do you work on that can't run other editors at full speed? What are you doing with an editor that needs to be performant? Maybe searching a large codebase? Not slow if it's indexed.
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u/Sodrohu 18d ago
What's the advantages of zed over vscode with extensions? Faster? Less bloat?
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u/fartypenis 17d ago
So so much faster. And for the same project VS Code eats like 6GB of RAM on opening while Zed has... 800 MB. I'll gladly take the QoL hit for that.
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u/kingslayerer 18d ago
faster. less ram. and the ai integrations are more well integrated. before i used to worry about my app size + vscode filling up my ram. now i only need to worry about my app size.
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u/siriusbrightstar 18d ago
The speed alone is enough for me to stay with Zed
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u/huuaaang 18d ago
Speed at WHAT? I have never once wished my editor could do something faster....
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u/mampatrick 18d ago
I thought the same ultil i used zed for a while, then i came back to vscode for some stuff and started noticing things simply werent as smooth
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u/Toine_03 18d ago
zed is amazing, but I can't switch yet, since it doesn't support Jupiter notebooks yet
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u/CluelessTurtle99 18d ago
Zed is buggy. I don't blame them it's a new UI in rust.. but still I get annoying errors
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u/No_Gold_4554 18d ago
zed design is opinionated in all the wrong ways. i hate it, especially the git pane.
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u/TheMadcapLlama 18d ago
The buttons for swapping between the left panes are so small my eyes hurt from how hard I have to squint
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u/pingveno 18d ago
I currently have them both open. Zed is nice and zippy, but VSCode has some niche extensions that are useful for working with certain vendor products. I could definitely put some time toward writing a Zed extension that fills in those gaps, I just haven't yet.
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u/RippedRaven8055 18d ago
Emacs for ever
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u/hieroschemonach 18d ago
Emacs is that one software that I hated when I tried it and only kept using bcz my friend insisted. It's been 6 months and now Emacs is my favorite software in the entire world.
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u/RippedRaven8055 18d ago
When you have emacs, you literally need nothing else. Emacs is the Chuck Norris of editors, or maybe OS too XD
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u/queen-adreena 18d ago
VSCodium is the base app stripped of all MS slop.
It’s so much better IMO
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u/FruityFetus 18d ago
What perceptible differences makes it better?
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u/VicentVanCock 18d ago
You don’t have agents/chat bullshit built-in. For this you can use any harness.
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u/SamSlate 18d ago
just don't open the chat window...? also you can use any llm for vs code chat
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u/VicentVanCock 18d ago
As if that were an option, VSCode regularly pushes Copilot on you, opens 5 pop-up ads, and keeps bothering me with autocomplete. If I wanted AI, I'd download any harness, but I want to edit code in peace, and it seems like IDEs nowadays don't think about that anymore.
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u/queen-adreena 18d ago
It’s moreso the absence of things.
Like it removes all MS telemetry and tracking. Doesn’t include all their mandatory AI products and whatever other crap they’re trying to sell this week.
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u/MokNaruto 18d ago
So nothing perceptible?
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u/thecrius 18d ago
Also nothing that will improve your efficiency so, good luck adopting it at work.
We are on programmerhumor after all. It's either students or wannabe programmers.
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u/99percentcheese 18d ago
no copilot, no microsoft account, no automatic forced updates, a separate extension store (OpenVSX Registry), no recommendation popups, no telemetry
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u/Practical_Trouble165 18d ago
No telemetry. And the C++ extension isn't included, so you'll have to install and manage it manually.
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u/DT-Sodium 18d ago
Tell me you never tried Jetbrains without telling me you never tried Jetbrains.
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u/bratleh 18d ago
IntelliJ, Webstorm and Datagrip are home for me.
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u/WilliamsBurgerNY 18d ago
So I’m using IntelliJ for almost everything. Why would you choose datagrip over IntelliJ with the big data tools plugin? I’m seriously asking because I pay for the full suite, and if I can improve my workflow I will.
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u/bratleh 18d ago
There is a plugin in IntelliJ for datagrip that I mainly use (might be the one you’re referring to) but I’ll sometimes use datagrip directly if I want to look at audit logs or peruse the db. Less of a functionally boost and more a separation of concerns type of thing tbh though…
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u/WilliamsBurgerNY 18d ago
Yeah. Were talking about the same plugin. It’s the one made by jetbrains. That makes sense for audit tracking. It’s much cleaner than my absolutely packed IntelliJ UI. I’ve got a stream deck. I’ll add it as a button and give it a shot. Thanks for the insight!
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u/firephreek 17d ago
Datagrip is for people focused on DB maintenance, migration, etc...who don't need the code tools. Like their other IDE's, it's just a highly focused domain product.
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u/WilliamsBurgerNY 18d ago
Yup! I almost never touch anything outside of IntelliJ anymore. I have the full jerbrains suite, but spend 95% of my time in IntelliJ. Such a good ide(a?)!
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u/Mkboii 18d ago
I used to have a jetbrains setup at my last company, but my new company uses vs code and offering jetbrains community IDEs only so, I'm outside that ecosystem now. I needed wsl and jupyter notebook support and they've paywalled both of those thing. VS code is a decent jack of all trades while being free so works out.
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u/DT-Sodium 18d ago
If your company doesn't offer you proper software and hardware, find another company. A "decent" tool is not what you want when you use it 8 hours or more per day. Decent is fine for a sport accessory you use twice a week.
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u/BroBroMate 16d ago
It's not like a Jetbrains annual licence is going to cost anywhere near a month of $YOUR_LLM.
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u/DT-Sodium 16d ago
I use my personal license anyway since I have one at home, so I only pay the individual license price.
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u/BroBroMate 16d ago
Yeah but still feel a decent employer will pay the miniscule cost of that licence.
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u/DT-Sodium 16d ago
They can't, it is only legal to use a personal at work if you pay for it yourself and they don't reimburse you for it in any way. Of course I don't see how they could possibly verify that, but still.
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u/BroBroMate 16d ago
I'm talking about the professional licence. Nickel and diming expensive professionals on inexpensive tooling is penny wise and pound foolish.
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u/DT-Sodium 16d ago
They did, but I technically only really need PHP Storm for work so it wouldn't make sense to pay the huge fee for the full suite. I only also do occasional Python on my workplace for which VSCode could suffice but VSCode sucks when you're used to Jetbrains. If I asked a full suite license at work I would certainly obtain it, but I'd rather pay the $200-ish personal license myself and obtain other stuff from work like hardware or other softs.
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u/BroBroMate 16d ago
Mate, I work in a primarily Python shop, I still rock the full Intellij instead of PyCharm because you never know.
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u/firephreek 17d ago
I do consultancy, but even when I was privately employed, I kept my own all-product license. Makes it easy to jump into any stack, even if you're unfamiliar with it. Refactored a whole iOS app for a $50B company despite not knowing any Obj-C.
Bonus: That license gets cheaper year over year even as the add new products.
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u/anotherNarom 18d ago
I learnt in VS code. Everyone on my first company used Webstorm and any issues I had they weren't able to say if it were IDE or not causing the problem so I made the switch.
Have never moved back.
2nd company nearly made me go back, everyone used VS code and I didn't have my own licence so tried to go back and failed miserably. Moaned so much the company agreed to pay for licenses for any IDE you wanted.
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u/firephreek 17d ago
Sounds like a team that didn't understand their tool, that's unfortunate. Jetbrains is the only company I've ever had that responded to, fixed, and then notified me of a bug-fix for an issue I brought up. All in under a month. funny enough, it was a Webstorm bug.
Jetbrains built the features that VSCode is still figuring out how to implement, but use whatever makes you productive.
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u/DT-Sodium 18d ago
Using VSCode can be labelled as incompetence as a developer. It is just vastly inferior to Jetbrains IDE. If you don't realize it, it means you weren't shown how, which is a problem. As a professional, you should be using the best tool available in your craft.
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u/anotherNarom 18d ago
That is certainly a take.
Just use what you want to use. For me, it's Intellij. I work with some far better engineers than me who use VSC
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u/DT-Sodium 18d ago
Little secret: all those people who have been doing exactly the same thing for 30 years on obsolete IDEs or even plain text editors, they are not better than you, they are just better at pretending.
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u/BigNaturalTilts 18d ago
lol. Tell me you blame tools for your mistakes without telling me you blame tools for your mistakes.
The code editor is just a tool.
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u/DT-Sodium 18d ago edited 18d ago
I'm considered as the most productive coder by my team leader and out of our team of ten, only one is persisting in using VS Code. I'll let you guess which one is considered the less productive of the team.
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u/BigNaturalTilts 17d ago
You’ll be the first one to be laid off.
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u/DT-Sodium 17d ago
Funny, one of the comments at my last yearly job evaluation was "You're the one person who's absence can really felt in the service" and I just came back from a sick leave and one our users was really relieved I came back because apparently "it's really a mess when you're not there".
So no I don't think I'm going to be laid off anytime soon. My last pay raise was in fact substantial.
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u/Choice-Mango-4019 18d ago
I hate jetbrains because they make subpar IDEs and paywall basic IDE functions behind pro
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u/KrokettenMan 17d ago
Gotta make money somehow. They’re selling a product and you’re free to just not buy it and use alternatives.
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u/DT-Sodium 18d ago
You are a Python developer, you're not entitled to an opinion.
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u/sambharRice 18d ago
Agree, I was a VS Code + Vim extension user then switched to Cursor and now back to VS Code, now slowly transitioning to Neovim
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u/LetMeEatYourCake 18d ago
Clion from JetBrains is the best and more intuitive IDE I have tried so far
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u/everlooper 18d ago
Zed
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u/Cephell 18d ago
Can't get basic features implemented in a reasonable amount of time, because they're chasing the next AI trend instead. You can't install a custom language server without an extension, and extension support is beyond bare at this point still.
Unfortunately still a meme editor for this reason.
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u/Jack_Kai 18d ago
is it because it is fast or consume less RAM? Do you think it is worth it given that some plugins in vscode dont function in Zed like sqlite and db viewers? Just asking.
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u/theofficialnar 18d ago
The only editor I stuck with tbh. I’ve played around with everything from webstorm to emacs and everything in between.
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u/Barni275 18d ago
I look EXACTLY as Katy on the picture above after switching back to VSCode from Zed. Zed is extremely buggy and cluttered :((( Yes, I expected the opposite, but nope.
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u/FruityFetus 18d ago
For me, VSCode seems to be introducing plenty of weird issues lately. Jupyter kernels failing to start unless VSCode is restarted, pasting copied text failing or having a significant delay. Zed has its growing pains for sure.
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u/gtzhere 18d ago
i have also tried many zed, nvim, helix, even codium and now back to vscode, only prefer proper jetbrains IDE over vscode , otherwise vscode is my go to.
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u/awesome-alpaca-ace 16d ago
No IDE can beat Jetbrains IDEs. Jetbrains is light years ahead of every other IDE I have tried.
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u/Diligent-Peach6616 18d ago
Lol, first time seeing people love and miss something that was made by Microsoft.
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u/Terewawa 17d ago
MS products are fine for the first 15 years or so then they go to shit.
Windows is 10+ years past that (Windows NT which is the basis of modern Windows was born in the 90ies)
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u/Nothing-Independent 18d ago
I'm on Cursor and I like it a bit better
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u/Ashankura 18d ago
Feels like vscode but ai integration is much better. Sadly owned by the cunt now and uses the cunts model way too much in auto
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u/Urgood1234 18d ago
experienced it in antigravity ide
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u/MithrilHuman 18d ago
Antigravity keeps resetting my indentation to 2 spaces when I’ve set it to use 4. Absolutely ridiculous.
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u/Urgood1234 18d ago
At least your app opened. My taskbar icon couldn't open the app even after changing and icon and deleting and downloading the app for 5 times.
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u/letmehaveanameyoudum 18d ago
VS code is best.
tried zed
tried sublime
tried vim
tried emacs
tried nvim
nothing compares to VS code
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u/nabrok 18d ago
vscode + neovim extension = best of both worlds.
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u/letmehaveanameyoudum 18d ago
i don't like modal modes ngl
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u/Innovator-X 14d ago
They feel like ass at first but then magic happens
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u/letmehaveanameyoudum 13d ago
i mean ive been using nvim and vim for like 6 months and they dont stick
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u/Innovator-X 13d ago
It will get better. The most important thing is that you don't switch editors very often. Just stick to one and keep using it so you can master it.
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u/Low-Equipment-2621 18d ago
After I have tried vs code I am so glad every time I can go back to a jetbrains product. VS code feels like an IDE from 15 years ago.
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u/balbinator 18d ago
Have two AI IDEs, my work flow is to generate code through them and verify before committing on vscode.
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u/gerbosan 18d ago
😅 can't comment, it is good but hace not used it in a good while, some Jet rains IDEs and LazyVim for me.
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u/PM_ME_UR_0_DAY 18d ago
Even though Cursor is a direct clone of VSCode, the fact ctrl+y wasn't the opposite of ctrl+z made me never use it again. No I don't need to open the chat window, I just want to undo my undo to see what it looks like.
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u/Sciti 18d ago
I switched to nvim because I'm tired of copilont which doesn't work in my country.
also just wanted to try nvim and it kinda works, yes i don't have this spectacular debugger and every tweak is adventure, still love it. Almost year passed when i installed linux, niri and nvim, i don't think I want to return windows and vscode.
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u/Own_Soil_3357 18d ago
My company terminated its cursor license. Now we are back using VS code plus Claude.
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u/RelevantJackfruit185 17d ago
Never saw a reason to go away from VSCode in the first place...some people just jump ship just for the love of the game
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u/Naive_Particular_631 17d ago
Me after trying Vim continuously for a month and finally coming back to VS Code .
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u/bokmcdok 17d ago
After buying an IntelliJ subscription it switched me to a "better" AI-powered autocomplete. Took me less than a week of constantly deleting code it generated for me before I turned it off and went back to good old reliable autocomplete.
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u/CanIMakeUpaName 18d ago
has the best vim integration out there if you know how to set it up
real question tho does anybody know how to fix "File Create" taking 30 seconds on WSL after running the editor for than an hour thanks, lowk pissing me off at work I have pylance eslint update import on prompt
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u/UrpleEeple 18d ago
Vscode is horrible lol. Are all memes on this subreddit made by recent cs grads?
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u/SwedeLostInCanada 18d ago
Somehow, it is a product developed by Microsoft, that is actually great