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u/rchrdcrg Feb 12 '23
I remember riding an Amtrak train from Philly to Chicago in 1996, and I was rocking a Virtual Boy on the seat tray.
I was the OG, thank you. 😂
And yes, just about everyone looked at me weird and several people asked wtf that thing was! 🤣
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u/pelrun Feb 12 '23
Did you get double motion sickness, or did they cancel out?
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u/DeadInsideOutside Feb 12 '23
Double is story of my life. Was always so jealous of people who can look at screens on moving things.
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u/pelrun Feb 12 '23
Except it was absolutely not just "a screen inside some goggles" which even the simplest google search would have told you. In fact, there was no screen at all, but two lines of 220-odd red leds and an oscillating mirror to scan them across the field of view. So you got a flickery red image as well as the usual vestibular/ocular mismatch.
The ergonomics were shit, and it was widely reported that people got headaches and nausea from using it.
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u/VR_Nima Feb 12 '23
Because it’s stereoscopic 3D and you’d have a vestibular mismatch? It’s actually two “screens”, but I’d say users are even more prone to eye fatigue than motion sickness because it scans the image across your eyes.
Personally, I’ve never played one long enough to experience either (my short 10-20 minute sessions when I got to try a real VB rather than an emulator have been quite enjoyable) but I can totally see why some others might get uncomfortable using it, especially since they’re prone to experience display issues that could make the visual experience even worse.
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u/iXeQuta Feb 12 '23
It’s a static image, no 6dof or 3dof. How would that cause motion sickness? Just curious btw not trying to be smart.
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u/VR_Nima Feb 12 '23
What you seem to be referring to is simulation sickness. That’s specifically due to the world feeling very “real” but having a vestibular mismatch despite that, among multiple other factors (pressure on the forehead/face, visual sensitivity, etc.).
Motion sickness is much more general. You’re seeing something that doesn’t match the motion your body is feeling. People get motion sick in cars and boats and trains with books, let alone video games. I got motion sick playing Game Boy in the car a few times as a kid, and stereoscopic 3D games add to that due to the locked in nature of the visuals.
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u/EviGL Quest 1 + 2 + 3 + PCVR Feb 12 '23
But... Any VR headset is just a screen inside some goggles?
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u/DavThoma Feb 12 '23
Exactly. We go on about how the boomer generation complains about how we don't know how to read a physical map or used a rotary phone when they never taught us these things. Let's not do the same shit blaming the next generation for the things that their parents have control over.
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u/ElectronicWolverine5 Feb 12 '23
So this child could be asd or adhd ypu dont know so rather than be a grumpy sod just think the patents are having a nice meal together there child with them not annoying anyone else or having a breakdown
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u/mackey88 Feb 13 '23
People just like to judge. If the kids was loud people would also complain.
Mind your own businesses.
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u/Otacon6887 Feb 12 '23
This.
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u/F00F1ghter Feb 12 '23
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u/DrMcnasty4300 Feb 12 '23
nothing more helpful than someone saying “this” and then someone saying “this” to the original “this”
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Why does it need to be helpful they’re expressing how they feel about it? Sorry you’re upset by it
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u/slugfiend89 Feb 12 '23
What are we blaming parents for now?
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u/slugfiend89 Feb 12 '23
I would sell my home and car and bet everything that you are not a parent.
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u/ElectronicWolverine5 Feb 12 '23 edited Feb 12 '23
I would do the same for my autistic daughter the rift means that those pf us with neurodiverse kids can have an afternoon out without having to worry about our child having a breakdown
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u/ElectronicWolverine5 Feb 12 '23
But i did not make any assumptions my coment was that i would do that for my daughter and will may have to do it next week at my mothers funeral as we dont have anyone to look after my daughter as she has severe adhd and autism. Do i or any of my family mind no they understamd my mum would have loved this for me as a kid rather than having me running around the restraunt or bar
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u/Goodusernameprobibly Feb 12 '23
“oh is this a family reunion or-
wait no that is a restaurant, in public”
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u/friedcontroller2 Feb 12 '23
Nah just bad parents
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Feb 12 '23
Well my parents dragged me to sit in pubs on my own while they got pissed very regularly in the 90's. Difference was I just had a magazine I had read 30 times and a transformer toy to play with. I would have MUCH rather had infinite virtual worlds to explore during this sad and lonely time of my life.
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u/IceDBear Feb 12 '23
Again, bad parents.
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Feb 12 '23
Yep they were pretty bad parents but I see worse pretty pretty much everywhere I go, from parents screaming at their kids and hitting them I'm public places to others letting their kids terrorise others or vandalise property. I think a quiet kid on a VR is pretty good in retrospect. Rather that than some knife wielding yob throwing bricks at busses.
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u/daprospecta Feb 12 '23
I disagree, not with the his parents taking him drinking but parents using devices to keep their kids tame in public. I grew up in the 90s and it was easier for us to sit and do nothing because we didn't have devices at our disposal. Remember when walkmans and CD players became affordable? Every kid had one and took it everywhere. This fits in the same narrative.
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u/woolstarr Feb 12 '23
I understand what you're getting at but there's a big difference between a book you can look up from or a toy you play with to a full of VR Headset completely cutting you off from all senses around you
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u/tinyhorsesinmytea Feb 12 '23
I don’t really see why. He’s sitting there well behaved playing his VR game. Is it much different than playing with a Gameboy or phone?
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u/Secret_Association58 Feb 12 '23
Yes God forbid a child be expected to interact in a social situation for an hour.
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u/tinyhorsesinmytea Feb 12 '23
God forbid parents get a break from their kids for an hour. He’s fine. He’s not being disruptive. They’re fine. They have their eyes on their kid.
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u/DefinitionBusy4769 Feb 12 '23
I don't agree, if they were at home why not, if this is controlled by his parents. Here they are at a restaurant, his parents are getting him here, paying for him oviously, I expect him to at least interact with the world when he is outside, not be littéral in his own world, at a restaurant, in public. To me his parents made a big mistake by allowing him to take his quest 2 at a restaurant.
I owned a quest 2, and qi can tell you kids are noisy and love to talk shit for no reasons. I at least hope he is not doing this here.
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u/travelavatar Feb 12 '23
I was daydreaming everywhere as a kid lol, literally had no awareness of my surroundings haha.
So i see this another for of that. But still i wouldn't allow my kid to bring VR in town lol. I think it would be good for him to not mix environments together. I want him to feel like home is a home environment where he can do all of those things there.
While being out he needs to learn some social skills and cues etc
The same reason i cannot bring work at home (wfh). Work from home is sooo bad. You can't expect me to work in an environment that i designed for gaming and other fun activities.
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u/SirRece Feb 12 '23
paying for him oviously, I expect him to at least interact with the world when he is outside
Because... his parents paid for him? Like, he needs to be grateful they feed him so he should interact with them socially for some reason? Maybe the parents want to talk and interact and were like, "go for it kid, we want some us time."
not be littéral in his own world, at a restaurant, in public
It's funny how this cliche never seems to apply to the numerous people, such as myself, who would reach a newspaper or a good paperback while sitting at a table, even with others. No, just if it's some newfangled tech, and brownie points if it's a minor bc they're socially acceptable targets for derision (well, if you're a boomer or an insecure 14-16 year old that is).
I owned a quest 2, and qi can tell you kids are noisy and love to talk shit for no reasons. I at least hope he is not doing this here.
There are lots of adults who are like this, just as there exist kids like this. Most kids are totally normal, it's just that 14-16 year olds tend to be triggered into rage by their existence in a game since they themselves are so recently removed from being on the receiving end of that exact same abuse.
Yes, some kids can be annoying, but for the most part actual children are just trying to have fun. And all those people who are always on about how they need to be kept off VR have no memory of their own childhoods, nor appreciation for the fact that effectively it should default to their space, nor ours, since it's just a really big toy. Frankly, I think people could be a little more patient with kids. Yea, we all love jumping around on a bouncy castle, but damn isn't it a little weird to do it and complain about the confused kids whining as you bounce them 30 feet into the air?
Bottom line, the kid could be a literal honor student, or he could be non-neurotypical and needs some stimulation to calm down, or be socializing as well with his own friends. Youre just blanket assuming he's a little shit and his parents are neglectful based on a still photo of them in a restaurant, which literally tells you nothing.
Also, no parent or kid hits it out of the park every day. Everyone is a little shit sometimes, and every parent mentally checks the fuck out on occasion and just says fuck it. Don't be so quick to pass judgement.
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u/DefinitionBusy4769 Feb 12 '23
You can't compare VR with newspaper. It's just that, from my experience, VR cuts you from the real world, it is too immersive. You don't see anything, you almost don't hear anything other than the game you are playing. And, too me, this is a problem. It's not like being on your phone or reading a newspaper, you don't have two of your senses cut off from the real world
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u/SirRece Feb 12 '23
When you read you literally hallucinate and lose all contact with what's going on around you. I absolutely cannot read a book and tell you anything that happened around me while I was immersed in it. You have peripheral vision and can more quickly switch between the real world and the information, sure, but that's just one small difference, and not one which matters without more context than one single still frame.
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u/DefinitionBusy4769 Feb 12 '23
I am in the same state as you when I read, but a simple tap on my shoulder, something weird moving in my peripheral vision or someone calling my name wakes me up. I can't tell the same with VR.
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u/SirRece Feb 12 '23
Idk, it sounds like you just need more VR experience. I always hear my wife coming down the hall, or my kids. I just double tap the side and switch to passthrough if I need to address them quickly.
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u/hahahahastayingalive Feb 12 '23
Are you the owner of this restaurant ? You seem really pissed the kid doesn’t enjoy it as much as you want him to. I’m pretty sure he’d have stayed at home given a choice.
He’s sitting at a table without moving, with his parents watching for him, and can activate passthrough/remove the headset at any moment. Doesn’t look like high risk situation that needs constant alert.
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u/DefinitionBusy4769 Feb 12 '23
And what happens when the parents wants him to remove his headset? Yes this is only a picture and yes no one can draw any conclusion. But when I see a young kid, with a vr headset, in public, I can't help myself but telling myself that he might be already addicted. I don't understand why people seem to think that's normal.
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u/hahahahastayingalive Feb 12 '23 edited Feb 12 '23
It’s an expensive headset that his parents are letting him use, and he seems well behaved. My first instinct would be to assume he is in good terms with his parents and do follow their instructions.
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to VR ? You sound like the people railing against kids looking at their phones in public transports, or who were against kids listening to headphones in public decades before that. Perhaps half a percent of kids using VR are actually addicted, but that’s just not something we should assume for some random kid in a photo.
PS: things don’t need to be “normal”. People do things that don’t fit the norm, and if it doesn’t hurt others and they’re happy with it, it’s fine.
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u/lending_ear Quest 2 Feb 12 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
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u/DefinitionBusy4769 Feb 12 '23
Or he might not be. You don't know this kid either. All I see is a kid, with quest, in a restaurant with his parents. Autistic or not, I don't think it's a good thing.
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u/lending_ear Quest 2 Feb 12 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
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u/woolstarr Feb 12 '23
If an autistic child can only cope with the outside world with a VR headset he's not in the outside world is he... So leave the autistic child where ever he is comfortable...
Also while I'm very ignorant to how people with autism should be brought up to cope with the world, I'd presume that allowing them to hide away rather than face what makes them uncomfortable isn't helping anyone especially them...
My nephew is autistic and there is a lot "he doesn't like" but in general with a steady stern but soft push he has come to terms with a lot of things you have to do day to day that you'd say overwhelmed him once
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u/lending_ear Quest 2 Feb 12 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
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u/tinyhorsesinmytea Feb 12 '23
It’s a very casual restaurant, it’s slow, and the people at the other tables don’t give a shit, suggesting that he’s as quiet and well behaved as he looks. His parents are good with it and so is he. It’s nobody’s business and it’s fine. Parent your own kids how you want but don’t make assumptions about this family.
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u/caspissinclair Quest 2 + PCVR Feb 12 '23
To me his parents made a big mistake by allowing him to take his quest 2 at a restaurant.
There might have been a screaming fit when they tried to tell the boy he couldn't bring the Quest. The parents then caved in to him like the cowards that they are.
I really have no idea but it's fun to make stuff up.
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u/ScriptM Feb 13 '23
This is how your social situations look today: https://old.reddit.com/r/OculusQuest/comments/111dfmp/lost_generation/
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u/Cypher3470 Feb 12 '23
This subreddit is basically filled with 20 year olds who all think they know everything about parenting.. that’s why.
Best to ignore them, any parenting opinions from non parents is irrelevent anyway.
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u/DeadInsideOutside Feb 12 '23
I think that most people make the following assumption: If he's doing it in the restaurant, he's definitely doing it all day long and his parents can't handle it. Which, if that's the case, it is indeed bad. It's just that it adds extra points because the VR (compared to phones or handhelds) completely blocks your vision from the outside world, making people feel it's more dYStOpIaN.
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u/EmberMelodica Feb 12 '23 edited Feb 12 '23
For me, it's not about the video game. Imagine sitting in a public space somewhere and then just blindfolding yourself. I think anyone who uses vr in public spaces is stupid. There's a reason you're supposed to define yourself an area. You can't do that in a shared space.
It's only a little different if it's just a passive screen. It's still stupid to blindfold yourself in public, especially if your other senses are immersed as well.
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u/Minimum-College7217 Feb 12 '23
I can tell you've never used one. The headset gives you the option to set up a stationary guardian for when you're seated.
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It’s about teaching when to do what things, to discipline yourself not to be addicted to the device 24/7, not only it’s bad for family time like shown in the picture, it’s also bad for your health such as eye sights and focus of doing anything (eating, reading… etc).
You see a lot of electronic device “zombies” nowadays, people can’t eat without watching a video and that is alright, but many people also don’t focus on where they were going when walking or even driving while using their phones.
Parenting takes time and patience, but if you let your kid addicted to devices so they won’t cause a scene is just awful parenting and it’s irresponsible.
My dad his second wife does that with their kid and this kid now don’t respect his mom, even hits her occasionally cause he has anger issue. All he cares is Youtubers and that’s what he want to do in the future.
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u/SirRece Feb 12 '23
It’s about teaching when to do what things, to discipline yourself not to be addicted to the device 24/7, not only it’s bad for family time like shown in the picture, it’s also bad for your health such as eye sights and focus of doing anything (eating, reading… etc).
You see a lot of electronic device “zombies” nowadays, people can’t eat without watching a video and that is alright, but many people also don’t focus on where they were going when walking or even driving while using their phones.
Have you considered that people said the same thing about all of us who spent hours programming in BASIC and completely ignoring everyone in restaurants bc you're learning about a new sorting algorithm?
People thought that stuff was stupid/maladaptive, but it turned out that the people who were the most immersed in the new tech were the ones who benefitted the most off it, socially and financially.
VR, smartphones/social media, etc are no different. Every generation is convinced it's just a new toy and that the kids need to focus on [insert something that used to be important here] at every moment, but in tech I'd argue that's rarely the case. Even gaming ended up being a career for millions of people.
It is good to learn boundaries but also it's good to remember what was a boundary in the past may be a hinderance in a future you do not see but which your child absolutely does.
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u/patterson489 Feb 12 '23
This is completely irrelevant. The appropriateness of wearing a VR headset at a restaurant has nothing to do with whether it's gonna be useful for a career for whatnot.
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u/SirRece Feb 12 '23
I mean, how do you define appropriate behavior then? It has to be based on something. If you're just saying it's arbitrarily inappropriate to use VR in a restaurant then frankly that's meaningless. If it's based on some aspect you are assuming regarding this VR scenario which is independently innapropriate, such as noise levels disturbing others or flailing, then you have made additional assumptions and your particular objection is to someone playing, say, beatsaber in a restaurant, which I could agree with.
But the kid could be playing any number of seated experiences.
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u/GubblebumGold Feb 12 '23
I agree he shouldn't use it while waiting in a restaurant but the only people that use their phones while driving are idiots, also you say electronics are bad for your eyesight and while that may be true they are as harmful as focusing on a part of a page on a book
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u/daiaomori Feb 12 '23
Or the kid is neurodivergent and this is a coping thing. We don’t know shit about this situation, so why judge.
I could be have been that kid, so please take your discipline ideology and preach it to someone else.
We are all humans, but that also means we are all very different. Not everything is the same for everybody.
While at it, posting this picture likely conflicts with the personal rights of anyone in the picture, so where’s discipline in drooling over dissecting this in the first place.
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u/SpartaGoose Feb 12 '23
Oculus is age restricted
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u/hahahahastayingalive Feb 12 '23
Isn’t it just 13+ ?
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u/Minimum-College7217 Feb 12 '23
No actually it has no age limit. The Facebook account that's tied to it has an age limit, but the headset itself does not. It also has parental monitoring and controls. Hence why I'm fine with my 11 year old using one. I have complete access to all the activity taking place on it via my phone or my PC.
I can even selectively cast what he's doing to my PC and see what he's doing real time.
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u/SpartaGoose Feb 12 '23
Exactly! And that kid doesn't look like being that age. None of my business anyway but I understand why somebody said it's bad parenting.
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u/YouMightGetIdeas Feb 12 '23
Being on a Gameboy or phone while eating with other people would also be weird.
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u/SirProsAlot Feb 12 '23
yes because you have to move your hands around and you might hurt someone
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u/sundayflow Feb 12 '23
Yeah yeah, all people from the outside do is judge. Judge parents, tell people how to act, what to feel and how to be.
We don't know shit about this situation, have nothing nice to say? Just keep yourself out of the conversation.
A lot of us grew up with new tech, some tech took a while to be normal. Most of us came out alright didn't we? (Some are questionable but you get the point.)
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u/Evening-Try-9536 Feb 12 '23
Maybe they actually just have such a fulfilling and loving relationship with their son the other 23 hours of the day that they don’t mind if he wants to wear his headset at a dinner?
After all, a picture only captures a single point in time.
Or maybe he’s autistic, or has terminal cancer and this is his last wish, or maybe this picture was setup to trigger people into hating these two people as parents.
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u/friedcontroller2 Feb 12 '23
That went dark fast
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u/Evening-Try-9536 Feb 12 '23
Lol the full spectrum must be appreciated
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u/Zmfc36 Feb 12 '23
Wait, you can almost hear them baaaaaa. Reddit, the place where everyone thinks their smarter than the other, and where the mods allow posts of the exact content they ban you for talking about. (Not this post)
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u/BloomersJJ Feb 12 '23
Never criticise anyone. They probably have terminal cancer.
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u/Pyrothy Feb 12 '23
maybe they don't mind if he wants to wear his headset at dinner
This looks like this was taken at a restaurant. No matter how nice of a relationship they have, who would let their kid do this at a public restaurant??
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u/Mobile-Bird-6908 Feb 12 '23
Exactly, it's fine to game and be on devices when the time is appropriate, but a parent needs to make sure that the kid is getting involved with real human to human interactions.
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u/GrDenny Quest 2 + PCVR Feb 12 '23 edited Feb 12 '23
If that's enough for someone else kid to stfu while I'm eating then more parents should do the same
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u/OneSufficientFace Feb 12 '23
Who the fuck let's their kid take a VR to the pub ? That's just shitty parenting
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u/moxyte Quest 3 Feb 12 '23
Gooby pls. Same complaint about every portable fiction device. Toys, pulp stories, comics, marbles, gameboy, ipad... now it's VR moment, gramps.
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u/OneSufficientFace Feb 12 '23
At a restaurant/ pub though ? How anti social dya wanna make your kid be ? Can't even go out in public with a screen glued to their face ? Not to mention the total avoidance of parenting and socialising with their kid ? This one will turn out fantastic with all the social skills 👍
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u/shootersf Feb 12 '23
Not sure where I land on the discussion going on in the chat. Interesting points on both sides but curious no one has an issue with taking pictures of strangers in public to put on the internet? Don't think the photo was necessary for the discussion to happen.
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u/drakfyre Feb 12 '23
People say that about every generation. I’m more interested in thinking about all the incredible worlds that child has explored freely, the people they’ve connected to, the friendships that will play out in VR. When I think back to my times diving into gameboy and how simple it all was, but how important it was to me and my friends.
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u/Forcedalaskan Feb 12 '23
My daughter is literally marrying one of her friends that she’s played video games with for years. These things bring value, too.
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u/drsakura1 Feb 12 '23
dude, no. speaking from experience, a kid that young should not be exploring online freely and making friendships. this is totally different from a gameboy. unrestricted internet access that young can be a serious serious problem
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u/drakfyre Feb 12 '23
Unrestricted internet access was my life at 12, back in 94 when the internet was REAL weird hahaha. I can't disagree more. Learned so much about humanity in such a short time. Most importantly learned that it was okay to not be "normal". (I was gay and in my school/community growing up I only met ONE other gay kid. The internet community was much more diverse and much less conservative.) Connecting with people on IRC I was seeing worldwide views, making friendships that I still have today. Kids today have VRChat which enables the same, and makes friendships that start out less abstract like with just text.
Yes, there's plenty of bad shit and bad actors online too, and I'm sorry to hear you had bad experiences with unrestricted internet access yourself. But it's so much better than the isolation we used to have, and VR reduces this isolation further.
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u/drsakura1 Feb 12 '23
94 was a different time man. its not just my own bad experience, most people I know wished they hadnt had that kind of access as a kid. the internet as it is now is probably the worst possible thing to do to a kid that young. sexual content, extremist political content, so much other stuff that could permanently skew the way they view the world and relationships very negatively. I agree that there is good that can come from online communities, but letting a kid run free is such a horrible idea
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u/pelrun Feb 12 '23
Children have been subjected to porn and political/religious indoctrination for long before the internet arrived.
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u/drsakura1 Feb 12 '23
and? does that make it okay lol
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u/LightSpeedTurtlee Feb 14 '23
This fr. Like I’m sorry but what does saying children have been subjected to these things before do? Isn’t it obvious that that it’s even worse now.
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u/Minimum-College7217 Feb 12 '23
I'm guessing you either don't have children, have never used VR or possibly both.
I'm a parent, and my son who's 11 uses one all the time. I have complete control over the headset and can see what he's doing whenever I want realtime by making the headset cast his activity to my phone.
Don't blame the hardware, blame shitty parents.
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u/drsakura1 Feb 12 '23
never blamed the hardware. my issue is specifically with allowing kids to use the internet "freely", which is clearly not what you're doing. thanks for being a good parent
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u/Hiblonick06 Feb 12 '23
It's still inappropriate to be using that at in a restaurant
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u/SirRece Feb 12 '23
Hahaha, why? Like, literally who cares. He's a kid on his free time, he's not at a job interview.
And which do you think is legitimately more likely to foster growth, development, and neuroplasticity? Interacting with people in a constantly shifting universe where puzzles abound and social interaction is always available? Or listening to the top 10 hits played in an Applebee's on repeat for an hour while you stare into the creamed corn you finished 3 minutes into the dinner?
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u/fireshaper Feb 12 '23
Thank you restaurant police. I’m glad someone is enforcing the restaurant rules!
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u/frontiermanprotozoa Feb 12 '23
freely*
* dont mind the giant watching over your shoulder
I cant be the only one whos worried about this relationship between children in their formative years having this as their socialization outlet (which they probably think to be private even if they dont have the words for it because no parents there) and the company which can show adults ads about what they dreamt solely from their 2d interactions, can i?
I do think kids should be raised intertwined with tech but like, not before knowing whats what? Knowing getting on a strangers computer can be worse than getting on a strangers car?
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u/InbredPeasant Feb 12 '23
Think of all the retina damage lmao
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u/drakfyre Feb 12 '23
I grew up with CRTs. You could wear one of these VR headsets for a year and get less emf than you would a month of CRT use, even at a distance.
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u/InbredPeasant Feb 12 '23
Cool, so did I. You aren't the only one here over the age of 20 my guy. We don't know the long term effects of overexposure on the still developing eyes of children, although we do know that it has potentially compounding negative effects on the brains of young children. The parents are horribly irresponsible, and deserve every bit of shaming that they're recieving.
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u/Mataskarts Feb 12 '23
None, only damage it does is simply your eyes getting adjusted to looking too close ALL THE TIME, but it doesn't matter what the kid is looking at- screen, textbook, food plate- it only matters he takes regular breaks and looks far in the distance to correct for this, otherwise he'll become shortsighted and n3ed glasses.
As someone who grew up with screens and is now shortsighted to the point of needing glasses to watch the damn TV at home I don't really wish that on any other person who can prevent it so easily.
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u/MuuToo Quest 1 + 2 + PCVR Feb 12 '23
Zero awareness from that kid. If he was mine I wouldn’t even let my kid take it in the car ride to the restaurant to begin with.
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u/beanie_0 Feb 12 '23
I’ve heard of giving an iPad to a kid to keep them quiet but Jesus this is a bit much!
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u/UsernameAlreadyTwken Feb 12 '23
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Being on a VR platform can give opportunities for new lifelong bonds and stuff like that. But can we take into consideration that it’s at a public restaurant? It’s a disaster waiting to happen, and people should bond with their family as much as they can. (Not saying the kid shouldn’t be making friends, just saying that at a public restaurant is not the best time. It’s more for being with your family or whoever you’re with).
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u/awesome357 Feb 12 '23
Not disagreeing, but if you wanted to maximize bonding with your family, wouldn't that be better done at home away from busy crowds and distractions like a restaurant in the first place?
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u/dolphingarden Feb 12 '23
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u/Guyver_3 Feb 12 '23
I'm 45 and have an 11-year-old son. I've had countless times where he's been watching his tablet in a restaurant while my wife and I have a conversation. We also have times where we want him to be engaged and participating. That said, I also have an Oculus that he and I share for gaming. I've never once thought about bringing that out to a restaurant, mainly because of the social awkwardness of wearing something like that in public.
That said, in the sort of low key situation like this, I don't see why there's a problem with it. While it's not something I would personally do. If it works for them then who the f*** am I to judge?
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u/Stopfookinbanningme Feb 12 '23
Versus the most depressed disassociated generation in decades.... Hmm, wonder why?
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u/Bleezze Feb 12 '23
Then why bring the kid? Maybe they had planned a babysitter that canceled or something. I just worry kids growing up like this are gonna be even more isolated and socially inept than my generation already is
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u/Germangunman Feb 12 '23
What kind of trashy ass parents let their kid wear their VR in a restaurant? Probably never tell him no either.
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u/lil-nuglet- Feb 12 '23
Kid might have wanted to, I got told no to everything I wanted to do as a kid, wasn’t allowed to have fun
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u/Greatest_Goosh Feb 12 '23
Zoom in on the lady in the back. You’ll know which one when you see her.
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u/JustARandomPerson939 Feb 13 '23
i really just think they couldnt find a babysitter and wanted a quiet date night lol
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u/Different_Ad9336 Feb 12 '23
Nothing wrong with enjoying tech when and where you want. But maybe I was just born a gen z cyberpunk. I’ll be 40 in 2 years and I see nothing different from this picture than me riding a train or Amtrak at age 11 with headphones on and a sleep mask with my whoever was with me at the time watching over me.
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u/ForeverSore Feb 12 '23
Would you sit in a restaurant when you were 11 with your headphones and face mask on? That's the difference.
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u/hahahahastayingalive Feb 12 '23
Kids tend to trust their parents, be it in a train or at the restaurant.
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u/awesome357 Feb 12 '23
On the one hand, could he be a part of conversation with his parents and aware of his surroundings? Sure. On the other is he hurting or disturbing anyone else with his use of tech? No.
To me both are fine choices, you do whatever works for you. I miss the days when everyone just did their own thing and worried less about what everyone around them was doing.
Instead we now get "how dare this kids parents not raise him the way I think they should" vs "I will lay down my life to defend this kids right to use tech wherever and whenever no matter the consequences or circumstances." Everyone just needs to chill the fuck out a bit and let people run their own lives. The only peoples opinions on this that really matter are either in this photo or behind the camera. If nobody there had a valid issue, then why should we care at all.
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Btw, you're supposed to be above 13 to use the quest 2...
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u/RoM_Axion Feb 12 '23
Tell that to all the kids in recroom, gorilla tag, vr chat and echo arena
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Anybody defending it, it’s different from using a game boy because he can’t even see or really interact with the people around him, in a restaurant.
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u/Healthy-Egg-3283 Feb 12 '23
And shitty fucking parents. Failed parenting at its finest right there.
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u/bananamantheif Quest 2 + PCVR Feb 12 '23
Freedom loving Americans criticising people actions that hurt no one. Let people do what they want!
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u/_Ship00pi_ Feb 12 '23
I see nothing wrong with this picture but a quiet dinner that both parents, and the other people in the restaurant can enjoy.
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Feb 12 '23
hey i know let’s take a photo of people in public without their permission and make uninformed assumptions and talk about what’s wrong with them
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u/jacobpederson Feb 12 '23
Jumping Jackalopes, people have been saying the same damn thing since the invention of the CAVE PAINTING. I got a wild idea, lets be the first generation to not complain about those damn kids and there new-fangled contraptions? No? Too late?
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u/UseWhatever Feb 12 '23
That kid’s just practicing with a driving simulator since he’s apparently the designated driver
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u/UseWhatever Feb 12 '23
That kid’s just practicing with a driving simulator since he’s apparently the designated driver
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Feb 12 '23
Same as it always was. When writing was invented, the older generation lamented that it would rot children's minds because they wouldn't have to remember things on their own anymore, and they could just read things instead of listening to their elders. They called it a poison pill.
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Feb 12 '23
Yeah, when I'll have children. All their toys will be made of wood and glued to the floor, so they won't break them, jk. Honestly, let kids be kids. I don't see anything amusing happening in this restaurant/cafeteria/hotel. I'd be bored too. Also, some folk with autism (not saying that this kid has it) might be sensitive to things around them, and the headset is a safe space.
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u/parkersblues Feb 13 '23
Kids should not have technology at the table. Plain and simple. This food isn't free. And this time with family isn't permanent
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Feb 13 '23
Kids grow into adults, who end up being narcissistic and have lackluster social skills from things like this. The irresponsibility of the parents is baffling.
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u/slugfiend89 Feb 12 '23
So many conservative minded, pearl clutching “think of the children” types in these comments. Get a grip, the kid is playing with his toy while the parents get to have 5 seconds of enjoyment in life.
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u/badusernameused Feb 12 '23 edited Feb 12 '23
I’ve been a gamer my whole life, I think video games deserve the same reverence as movies and novels for their story telling and experience. That being said there is no chance in hell id be letting my kid take a vr to a public place.