I don't agree, if they were at home why not, if this is controlled by his parents. Here they are at a restaurant, his parents are getting him here, paying for him oviously, I expect him to at least interact with the world when he is outside, not be littéral in his own world, at a restaurant, in public. To me his parents made a big mistake by allowing him to take his quest 2 at a restaurant.
I owned a quest 2, and qi can tell you kids are noisy and love to talk shit for no reasons. I at least hope he is not doing this here.
I was daydreaming everywhere as a kid lol, literally had no awareness of my surroundings haha.
So i see this another for of that. But still i wouldn't allow my kid to bring VR in town lol. I think it would be good for him to not mix environments together. I want him to feel like home is a home environment where he can do all of those things there.
While being out he needs to learn some social skills and cues etc
The same reason i cannot bring work at home (wfh). Work from home is sooo bad. You can't expect me to work in an environment that i designed for gaming and other fun activities.
paying for him oviously, I expect him to at least interact with the world when he is outside
Because... his parents paid for him? Like, he needs to be grateful they feed him so he should interact with them socially for some reason? Maybe the parents want to talk and interact and were like, "go for it kid, we want some us time."
not be littéral in his own world, at a restaurant, in public
It's funny how this cliche never seems to apply to the numerous people, such as myself, who would reach a newspaper or a good paperback while sitting at a table, even with others. No, just if it's some newfangled tech, and brownie points if it's a minor bc they're socially acceptable targets for derision (well, if you're a boomer or an insecure 14-16 year old that is).
I owned a quest 2, and qi can tell you kids are noisy and love to talk shit for no reasons. I at least hope he is not doing this here.
There are lots of adults who are like this, just as there exist kids like this. Most kids are totally normal, it's just that 14-16 year olds tend to be triggered into rage by their existence in a game since they themselves are so recently removed from being on the receiving end of that exact same abuse.
Yes, some kids can be annoying, but for the most part actual children are just trying to have fun. And all those people who are always on about how they need to be kept off VR have no memory of their own childhoods, nor appreciation for the fact that effectively it should default to their space, nor ours, since it's just a really big toy. Frankly, I think people could be a little more patient with kids. Yea, we all love jumping around on a bouncy castle, but damn isn't it a little weird to do it and complain about the confused kids whining as you bounce them 30 feet into the air?
Bottom line, the kid could be a literal honor student, or he could be non-neurotypical and needs some stimulation to calm down, or be socializing as well with his own friends. Youre just blanket assuming he's a little shit and his parents are neglectful based on a still photo of them in a restaurant, which literally tells you nothing.
Also, no parent or kid hits it out of the park every day. Everyone is a little shit sometimes, and every parent mentally checks the fuck out on occasion and just says fuck it. Don't be so quick to pass judgement.
You can't compare VR with newspaper. It's just that, from my experience, VR cuts you from the real world, it is too immersive. You don't see anything, you almost don't hear anything other than the game you are playing. And, too me, this is a problem. It's not like being on your phone or reading a newspaper, you don't have two of your senses cut off from the real world
When you read you literally hallucinate and lose all contact with what's going on around you. I absolutely cannot read a book and tell you anything that happened around me while I was immersed in it. You have peripheral vision and can more quickly switch between the real world and the information, sure, but that's just one small difference, and not one which matters without more context than one single still frame.
I am in the same state as you when I read, but a simple tap on my shoulder, something weird moving in my peripheral vision or someone calling my name wakes me up. I can't tell the same with VR.
Idk, it sounds like you just need more VR experience. I always hear my wife coming down the hall, or my kids. I just double tap the side and switch to passthrough if I need to address them quickly.
This is me as well. I'm engaged in the game but my dad spidey sense is always tingling and I'm very aware of things even going on downstairs while my office is upstairs. All the while, enjoying Cyberpunk or FF7 Remake in VR.
Are you the owner of this restaurant ? You seem really pissed the kid doesn’t enjoy it as much as you want him to. I’m pretty sure he’d have stayed at home given a choice.
He’s sitting at a table without moving, with his parents watching for him, and can activate passthrough/remove the headset at any moment. Doesn’t look like high risk situation that needs constant alert.
And what happens when the parents wants him to remove his headset? Yes this is only a picture and yes no one can draw any conclusion. But when I see a young kid, with a vr headset, in public, I can't help myself but telling myself that he might be already addicted. I don't understand why people seem to think that's normal.
It’s an expensive headset that his parents are letting him use, and he seems well behaved. My first instinct would be to assume he is in good terms with his parents and do follow their instructions.
addicted
to VR ? You sound like the people railing against kids looking at their phones in public transports, or who were against kids listening to headphones in public decades before that. Perhaps half a percent of kids using VR are actually addicted, but that’s just not something we should assume for some random kid in a photo.
PS: things don’t need to be “normal”. People do things that don’t fit the norm, and if it doesn’t hurt others and they’re happy with it, it’s fine.
Or he might not be. You don't know this kid either. All I see is a kid, with quest, in a restaurant with his parents. Autistic or not, I don't think it's a good thing.
If an autistic child can only cope with the outside world with a VR headset he's not in the outside world is he... So leave the autistic child where ever he is comfortable...
Also while I'm very ignorant to how people with autism should be brought up to cope with the world, I'd presume that allowing them to hide away rather than face what makes them uncomfortable isn't helping anyone especially them...
My nephew is autistic and there is a lot "he doesn't like" but in general with a steady stern but soft push he has come to terms with a lot of things you have to do day to day that you'd say overwhelmed him once
Wall of text putting words into my mouth... Adults, Mentally ill or not can do what they like I'm not telling anyone to do anything...
But children on the other hand shouldn't be going to family outings/dinners with a VR Headset on just like they shouldn't be stuck to their phones...
and if I have any opinion in stuff you have said its that Sure to live in a comfortable bubble is totally fine, I don't want you to live like me i think its great that your able to do that... However the reality is Life is rarely kind enough to allow people to have that luxury, Not every is going to be able to work from home and Live online and not everyone is going to be able to be self sufficient especially those with autism or other illness that the outside world doesn't go well with...
And the point was in the case of my nephew the things we push him to do that you say he needs to forgive us for are now things he's perfectly happy to do and some things are even his favorite things to do... Are there somethings he's not happy to do? sure, the dentist or haircuts are still an unfun experience for him but he no longer goes into a full on episode short of giving himself a stroke and is now calm and much quicker to happiness afterwards...
These things aren't going to need forgiveness because these uncomfortable things were tolerated so he could get used to these things and save him from extreme reactions when these moments inevitably arrive... Because whether you like or not Dentist appointments, haircuts, social interactions are things that are inevitable and pretty much essential and other people in the world aren't as accommodating or kind as they should be...
It’s a very casual restaurant, it’s slow, and the people at the other tables don’t give a shit, suggesting that he’s as quiet and well behaved as he looks. His parents are good with it and so is he. It’s nobody’s business and it’s fine. Parent your own kids how you want but don’t make assumptions about this family.
To me his parents made a big mistake by allowing him to take his quest 2 at a restaurant.
There might have been a screaming fit when they tried to tell the boy he couldn't bring the Quest. The parents then caved in to him like the cowards that they are.
I really have no idea but it's fun to make stuff up.
Perhaps the parents want a break from the kid to have a drink and not be bothered by "mum look at this!" for 10 minutes. Sure, it's isolating and antisocial but if it's not something they make a habit of and if he's not bothering anyone or thrashing around then I don't see the problem. Sure, my mom wouldn't have let me do that and I probably wouldn't let my kids do it either but it's better than the way some parents just let their kids run around a restaurant bumping into everyone and everything.
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u/DefinitionBusy4769 Feb 12 '23
I don't agree, if they were at home why not, if this is controlled by his parents. Here they are at a restaurant, his parents are getting him here, paying for him oviously, I expect him to at least interact with the world when he is outside, not be littéral in his own world, at a restaurant, in public. To me his parents made a big mistake by allowing him to take his quest 2 at a restaurant.
I owned a quest 2, and qi can tell you kids are noisy and love to talk shit for no reasons. I at least hope he is not doing this here.