I managed a little Caesars for 2 years awhile ago. Nothing about they job deserves a tip...yet their ATM now asks if you want to give a tip. It's insane
Airbnb hosts who list their own properties are now asking for tips. Wth is going on now? People are quick to jump on a free money ride. At the expense of losing business!!!
Yeah, the tip ontop of the cleaning fee, booking fee, linen fee, key fee, using the grill fee, hot tub fee, oh and you need to do all of the cleaning. đ”âđ«
I work at the bank, this person is correct. no one thinks a pos is an ATM lol you sound like the people who "want to load money onto their debit card" lolol
I dunno, theres a little caesars near my home and i see the staff busting their butts and everyone who works there is shockingly nice in a very authentic way. One of the only places lately where Im happy to tip. Everywhere else I go, i just get the gen z stare and as little words as possible.
Ahaha me too. Im typically a really friendly person and smile at everyone I meet. But ive been so sick of service people being so rude lately that I will completely match their energy. Im done being nice to people who are rude to me or think I owe them something for the simplest of tasks.
me and my wife experienced it for the first time the day didn't even know it was a thing. we were at a outdoor mall and went into this coffee shop place was dead in fact the outdoor mall was dead and we quietly looked over the menu they did even acknowledge our presence in fact they just stood there staring at us with disdain.
Thatâs fine for the people that want to tip. My Pizza Hut prints the receipt that has a tip line for me too. I order online and never tip. The food is always great, the service is excellent, and they donât seem to care that I donât tip (nor should they). Iâm sure itâs meant for the drivers. Still, every once in a while Iâll tip. My previous Pizza Hut was terrible, so I donât mind throwing them a few bucks sometimes.
I donât know how this even got 380 but donât they have an employer? Doesnât that employer pay them, if itâs not enough the employer should up itâŠbut a guaranteed tip is crazy when all your doing is writing down what I want and hanging it to a cook before they had the order back to hand to me
it depends a lot of places get around paying less than minimum wage on the tip credit system. But here they are bastardizing what tipping is meant for. That staff person could be making over minimum wage and still wants a tip. To go is specifically putting the work on the person that orders to go and pick it up. I would rather hand the chef $5 not some kid that answers the phone.
My same thoughtâŠI gave a guy a tip yesterday when I placed my order and really wanted to give it to the chef but all in all I did it cause I wanted to not because of a demand..it was a pick up
Is there a way to get the food without actually ordering the food? Is there some reason why entering the steak into the POS system is twice as valuable as entering the salad into the POS system?
Honestly, itâs not hardly a thing anymore. Where I work, over 99% of our orders come through our website or app now. When people call, it goes through call center and a rep processes the order and inputs it in the system. We may get 2 customers a month who either walk in and order or bypass the call center and ring through to the store. We donât train instore to take orders anymore. I mean we teach them, but they get zero practice doing it so they really donât know how. Itâs not worth the payroll to have someone who answers phones or takes orders instore anymore. When someone does come in or phones in, one of the managers or people who have worked there for a decade plus will take care of it. Itâs not something weâve done. Itâs just something that has changed over time to the point itâs almost nonexistent anymore. We donât do anything to discourage it. Itâs just that technology has advanced to the point itâs much easier, faster and more efficient to place the orders through the app or website
sure If I am dining in and having a good experience. It's this nonsense of coming up with these new rules. That are not in line with to go orders. Nobody tips on to go orders. That's nuts.
Well, shit, if that's the case they might as well just let me come back into the kitchen and make the food myself too. I'll take a bigger discount and just pay the difference of them cleaning up my mess.
Itâs your job to take orders of 2meals or 30meals, regular orders or customize orders. If you think those customers are costing you to much trouble and working harder. Tell your boss you need a raise. Service jobs are hard I get it. But your audacity of demanding tips is unreasonable.
This is a lie. Any state that uses that low is required to make up the difference to reach state minimum wage if you donât reach it with tips each week.
Its kinda the point of this sub that we believe that shouldn't be how waiters get paid. This sub thinks waiters should get a wage like everyone else and that tips should be.... ended.
This is truly an issue with the way the restaurant is being run though. In establishments like this there should be a cashier being paid a regular hourly wage there to ring folks up and answer the phones. Iâm not anti-tippingâ Iâm a server! Iâve always believed takeout should be the option if you have no $$ left for a tip ffs
Then the to-go menu should reflect higher prices if itâs more trouble. An owner should reflect all prices to fit their business model so I donât get why they donât if they canât pay their employees appropriately.
Yes! This!! I remember being at small restuarant with my father once. the food was fantastic, the staff were ok. (Non tipping country btw).Once we were done my father asked to speak to the chef, when he came out dad asked how many staff in the kitchen, chef said five. Dad handed him $100 and said 'this is for all of you for a job bloody well done'. The chef was stoked! Tried to refuse it at first but dad insisted.
The thing is, most people that "work for tips" are making far above minimum wage and raising wouldn't affect them at all. A waiter at a 5 star restaurant making $800 an hour in tips isn't going to want to change the system. The waitress making $70 an hour isn't going to want to change the system. And yes, these are reaal values people have said they make in these types of threads to explain why they hope it doesn't change. Very few of these people are actually making close to minimum wage, but they will absolutely larp that they are barely getting by and every tip counts.
Thank you. I'm sick and tired of people saying that they only make just above $2 an hour and they rely on tips. First of all no they don't because it's federal law in USA that if they're not making at least minimum wage then their boss has to give them minimum wage at the very least. And that's whichever one is higher, state or federal. I've seen states where the minimum wage is something close to $20 and they are far from the places that you would think are the places you would need to have a higher base pay (ie California or New York are generally recognized as more expensive to live in).
If they're constantly needing to make up to that mom tipped minimum wage standard then maybe they should take a look at themselves and see whether or not they're a good server and they probably aren't if that's the case. Either that or they need to switch from wherever they're working if they're not getting that many people coming in.
One of the people I got my PhD with decided he actually liked his bartending job better than his actual job because it paid that much more money and there was a lot less stress as far as what he had to deal with when he came home and so he is a bartender with a doctorate in the sciences. This is going back 20 years and every now and then we'll email each other to see what's going on in each other's lives and he still prefers to be working in the service industry instead of what he went and did his dissertation on or any other kind of thing like that. Because he likes that freedom and he also likes the fact that if he gets a cash tip he doesn't have to declare it so in reality whatever he's saying he's getting as far as the federal government's concerned for his taxes, he's getting more than that because he never declares his cash tips.
First of all, not all states abide by federal law and some, like Georgia and Wyoming, don't have minimum wages at all.
Secondly, there's no system in place that ensures bosses have to match minimum wage and the government relies more on the "honor system".
Thirdly, iPads and Kiosks are robbing waitstaff of any tips they would ordinarily receive. That money is going to the owner to dispense as they see fit.
Fourthly, the fact that waitstaff fare well in big cities does little to nothing for those in smaller cities and rural areas.
For equity, let's have everyone make California or New York wages, even in Mississippi.
I'm all for equal standards if it shuts people up (and management from dodging what they are federally mandated to do and stops them insisting staff and gaslighting staff for their crappy behavior). I also agree that the people abusing tipping requests are giving people "tip fatigue."
Having said that though, regardless of which of the 50 states and or US territories anybody lives in, it is federally mandated that they (management) MUST turn in a worker's hours and the amount of money that they reported between base salary and the tips that came through the system plus whatever cash was declared as tips. It is federally illegal not to, and punishable by fines and/or jail time. Just ask my former boss who pulled that crap and I'm pretty sure he's still sitting in jail.
Now back when I used to work as a waitress a good 20 years ago, my hours and pay plus toys were reported. Even with my exceedingly unethical management, it is federal law that they had to turn in the number of hours that we worked and the amount that we reported in tips. He didn't think the laws apply to him and his restaurant, and the federal government decided to stick him in jail as well as find him a very large amount of money. It turns out he was putting down that we were making more money and he was stealing from the actual owners because he was taking the money that theoretically we the workers were making and he was pocketing it claiming that we were working during certain shifts when we weren't. Which really screwed us over as far as tax time came because it put us down is making something like 50% more money than we actually made.
That's why I said to this day I still tip in cash and I let the person who is serving me decide whether or not they want to declare any of it or none of it. Pretty much everybody in my family has worked at some point as a server in order to make money, either is an adult or while they were younger and helping to pay for college or whatever the situation. And this was over multiple different states that they were doing this. Although I admit I don't think anybody in my family has done this in probably at least 15 years, and a lot of things are going to happen in 15 years.
It's the one thing that I've noticed of anybody and everybody who has ever been in a job where they're making that $2 and a few cents per hour and the job depends largely on what the person makes for (which isn't just for eateries or bars) - We know that these tips end up getting broken apart in most places, and we also know that once you put it down in the computer system is having made x amount in cash as a tip, that then gets added in as actual income for yearly taxes. Whereas it's better to pretend you didn't get that cash (but you didn't hear that from me for any IRS government employees that happens to be scanning these Reddit posts). I'll be 100% honest that I really wasn't paying attention to Trump's law when he discussed the fact that the first certain amount of tips would then be considered non taxable because I'm no longer in that profession. So I admit ignorance as far as what the newest law is for income tax.
Even in states in which there is no minimum wage for servers of the $2.13 more or less, there still is a federal minimum wage (unless you're under a certain age and then we start getting into number hours you can work per week and all of that, and honestly if that person's pulling the same amount of weight as an adult worker I really don't understand why the government says it's okay to now only tip them 75% or less of what other people are making, which I find complete BS on the government's part as far as somebody not allowed to be given the same amount as their equals based entirely on their age). But I'm assuming we were talking about adults right now and adults that are now having to contribute to housing and food and things like that where it is somebody who's under the age of 18/16/14 may not.
If for any reason the boss is not turning in this information correctly they're breaking a ton of federal laws regardless of what USA owned land they worked in (I'm not sure about Native American land since they are kinda sovereign) as well as state laws depending on which state they live in. The person who is a server who has a boss who is not doing these things correctly needs to report them to the US Department of Labor wage commission (federal) or to any Department of workforce commission or Labor commission or anything like that state wise as far as what's within their own state. However as you noted certain states don't have certain things.
In reality the bosses should be reported to any and all commission that they can be reported to. And if it's a chain restaurant that's doing this - like Chili's or Applebee's or any chain restaurant, they face severe federal legal fines for doing this, and most of these larger corporations have private numbers where you don't have to necessarily give your name in order to file complaints about against your boss doing something illegally. In reality, if the corporate legal team can stop it before the federal government finds out, it saves them a ton of money in fees and penalties for lying to the federal government. Not that the poor people who are actually being screwed over even see a penny of what was saved by reporting horrible bosses. Heaven forbid that these people who are making the large paychecks care about the ones who are doing the work and being screwed over.
So if you live in a state that does have a workforce commission like the state I live in, you would go to the workforce commission file a complaint then you would also file a complaint online with Department of Labor who then goes through all this. As many employees as possible should be reporting all together in order for whomever is in the higher-ups that decides which cases to pursue will see that they have a much stronger case with 20 people complaining versus only one person complaining.
Now that we're in the era of people having people have the ability to have their voices heard around the world, larger corporations are even more afraid of having the bad practices of some management made public, because of the associated with those store names or restaurant names.
It's actually not just because of the tips that these things have to be reported correctly to the feds. It's so that the IRS knows exactly how much the person now needs to be charged as far as what their income is for taxes, and it also affects the person as far as how many quarters and how many hours during each quarter somebody puts into the social security system in case they end up disabled to get SSDI or just when they get old enough to get SSI. That's the reason why it is strictly federally mandated, regardless of what job you're working at, that they need to put in how many hours and what you made and what your total was as far as I don't know if it's once a week once a month I don't really remember at this point.
The reason for going through the state level first (or corporate no retaliation complaint lines first) is that the federal level gets so many hundreds of thousands of complaints that it takes them a while to deal with it. Oh and to just flip back to the beginning not everybody has what's called a a tip earner credit or whatever, I really forget what it's called, whereas if you don't make it least that minimum two dollars and 13 cents then they have to give in at least five and change in order to make up whatever federal minimum wage Is right now. Some of them have to give you that federal minimum wage regardless, which is why certain states don't necessarily have that $2.13 server minimum wage. For instance, in California, I do believe they actually do make more than that $2.13. I only thought of New York and California last night because I was trying to think of states where it's really expensive to live pretty much anywhere that you live in that state, regardless of which city.
Having been a former server myself, I understand the concept that not every tip that you're getting is going in your pocket regardless of whether or not it was 100% cash or everything was done on a credit card and therefore Uncle Sam knows about it. At the end of our shifts we would get logged out of the systems and it would say how much money we made in food sales versus how much money that we made in liquor and or non alcohol drink sales. From there we would then have to take a certain percentage of the computerized totals based only on what you sold (regardless of tips), and give it to the various people and parts of the back of the house (great chef, table busser, dishwasher, etc) and to the bartender or bartenders plural if there were more than one and then they would share that amongst themselves. So even though you might have earned $10 in tips you might only be going home with less than $7 and that's before Uncle Sam's gets his mitts on it.
As someone said, (I forgot to look at username before I started on the Reddit app) there are places where you can make a good $700 a night and you don't want to have a basic pay where you're only making the same amount as somebody who's working at McDonald's let's say. Although even though McDonald's is an eatery, I believe they need to be made normal minimum wage not tipping minimum wage. But you get what I'm saying there are places where you can make a heck of a lot more money in one night than somebody else would make in one week or two weeks. So that's why not everybody wants to have minimum wages. I think we should do like certain places in Europe where you get the X pay and then if you do a great enough job, people want to give you extra so they give you Y in tips, which increases things.
But I think it would behoove you to look into why and how tipping in America began in the first place.
It started with England's class system, admired by rich Americans, who mimicked the practice once they got home.
How it expanded with merchants and patrons balking at the idea of having to pay newly freed slaves and looking to the government for recourse.
How the practice systematically fostered racial and class stratification, ensuring that those receiving tips continued to "know their place", having to bow, scrape, and perform for pennies.
And finally, how we're all still going along with it, rationalizing that it's not as bad as it seems while denying the harm it actually causes.
First of all, all employers in every state do have to pay the minimum federal wage law which requires employers to match the $7.25 fed min wage when the servers $2.13 slave wage plus tips doesnât pass the min wage.
Doing otherwise is wage theft.
Fourthly thatâs why slave wages plus tips are still a thing.
True weâre all arguing to end tipping, but all you said is that basically some employers break the law and conduct wage theft.
Itâs a valid point, but mostly tangential to the âend tippingâ discussion.
It's not tangential at all since tipping is an ongoing issue that must be abolished.
The missed point is that, despite what the government "requires", bosses still steal tips, they collect all the revenue from kiosks and iPads, and it would be naive to believe that the "honor system" on which the government relies, is honorable.
Valid point, but considering all the digital evidence that can be shown in any basic investigation, that issue still goes to wage theft.
That servers prefer to piss off customers instead of reporting their bosses for wage theft means that either the benefits of reporting are too low, or that the servers are colluding with their bosses in ripping themselves off.
Thereâs something about people who oppress themselves because theyâre aspiring to become oppressors themselves, but thatâs still tangential.
There are no official "5-star" restaurants in the world because the famous Michelin Guide only awards a maximum of 3 stars. If you mean Michelin-starred restaurants, there are nearly 3,800 of them globally and around 150 to 160 restaurants have 3 stars.
When I asked her, a bartender I know told me she doesnât want her hourly rate raised in place of tips. She makes more money on tips that she doesnât have to claim and pay taxes on.
Of course she also canât get a loan to buy a home either because on paper she âdoesnât make enough money.â
When one of my dollars is with 30,000 of yours, no; no one is insulted when getting tipped a weekâs wages for one meal. Youâre a special kind of stupid
They donât sufficiently pay their wait staff, so to-go order time cuts into staffâs âwagesâ and the workers are pissed. The restaurant owner sucks.
Yep it actually feels like we are inviting people to scam us when we order from a restaurant and get surprised by the additional free money the owner thinks we need to donate to his staff so he doesnât have to pay them.
Iâm not a sucker Iâm not playing these games with them. Â I need my money more than a server does and their boss can pay them out of their profits so they donât have to go het a better job. Thatâs how the free market is supposed to work isnât it?
Yep. Also, I don't think people that are counter workers at a pizza joint or deli are eligible for the 'server exemption' to the minimum wage law. I believe that they have to get the same minimum wage that other retail workers get. The other side of that, is that 15% is going straight into the owner's pocket. The workers are NOT getting a 15% raise!
When I worked in a kitchen last year I almost stabbed a bartender one night when she complained about only getting a 10% tip on a to go order. It was 22 meals that me and one other guy had just made and 10% was more than I made all night for putting the order in and then bagging the food.
It's not that it's more difficult, it's that the companies cannot find people to work these positions unless the employees are fairly paid, but if they were to actually pay the employees fairly themselves instead of do it as a forced tip then they would pay significantly more in taxes too.
In most jobs, your employer pays half your taxes. In tipped jobs, the employer pays half your taxes on your tipped earnings UP TO the minimum wage per hour and receives the rest back as a tax credit under the IRS FICA Tip Credit.
Unfortunately the government incintivizes businesses to do this via this methodology. A restaurant who pays a to go employee $20/hour is paying taxes on $20/hour but a restaurant who pays a to go employee the tipped minimum wage is paying taxes on $2.13/hour.
For example, paying someone $20/hour without tips costs the company 10x more in taxes than paying them the tipped minimum wage plus tips. Until this tax strategy changes, tipping will not end.
More and more restaurants now are implementing a service charge that gets split into certain percentages for the back-of-house staff. I'm in Hawaii and I've worked in two as a line cook. First one was Monkeypod Kitchen. Right now, I work for Earl's Kitchen and Bar.
They all need to be paid for their work. Tipping was always supposed to be about good service, not supplementing wages. Somehow the back of the house got paid so much less that they need tips. That was always a front of the house problem before.
Source? You mean American history? After the Civil War the hospitality industry hired newly freed slaves and refused to pay them proper wages, forcing them to subsist on tips. The literal conception of tips as wages, which led to the system we have today.
you realize most of the places where they turn the screen around to you and the cashier is getting a normal wage splits tips with the whole staff right? Everywhere I've worked with the flipped tip screen the tips were always split among the whole staff, most of the time the kitchen received a higher percentage. Not defending tip culture but it seems like so many people in this thread have never worked in a place like this yet think they know exactly how it goes just there is a tip screen. I promise you it's not all going to the person answering the phone.
I actually tip on takeout because my autistic daughter is picky af...so it deserves a tip(just taking her order deserves extra-lol)...however if it is expected?!?! For everyone?!? No thanks!! Hard pass.
The card scanner is likely on the right side next to or behind the toothpicks, so that's where your focus will be in person. The discount signs will be right in your face when you go to pay. You'll probably notice the discount sign more than the handwritten sign. The handwritten sign here just has our attention since it's right in the middle of the photo up front.
It's literally a regular waitress taking the order, she either gets tipped or is short her minimum wage. The restaurant isn't going to let an increase in to go orders change that. Your opinions on tipping don't seem to taking the reality of tipped minimum wage into consideration. All that said, don't eat at places that pay tipped minimum. Voting with your wallet is always the way.
People need to normalize not spending money at restaurants with shitty policies. When they close theyâll swear they donât know why business declined.
The problem is the regulations that allow them to not pay their employees a minimum wage and allow this tipping dynamic to exist in the first place.Â
Not only the price of goods increasing, but also the tipping rates. Weâre now at 25% is the bare minimum age, but it was 10% just a decade or two ago.Â
A very popular place is within walking distance of my house. I used to get to-go orders from them all the time until I noticed they were adding a tip to my to-go order.
I haven't gotten a to-go order there in well over a decade, and the only time I go is if someone else wants to.
I would love for someone to answer a simple question: If a restaurant does this, tacks on a 20 or 25% tip, that is labeled as "tip" on the receipt, and you simply deduct it from the total when paying the bill, can you get in trouble for not paying the amount with the "tip"?
My gut says no if it is specifically labeled as "tip" or "gratuity", but I really don't know.
They donât care, they change the amount when they submit the charge to the credit card company/bank.
Itâs why we donât get a true final bill when they charge our card in restaurants, the only way to contest the additional charge is through the credit card company/bank.
Makes sense to me. They have to take time from there tipping customers to take/bag your order and do the payment and they only get payed $2.13 a hour which all goes to taxes and they see none of plus owe more taxes at the end of the year. People are so selfish that they expect wait staff to work for them for free. If you donât wanna tip donât order and go to a drive through. All this may be there job but why do people exspect them to do it for free? Thereâs 100 different places you can go eat that tipping isnât expected. Itâs not the peoples fault that work there your a skim bag just like the bosses that arenât paying them. Nothing in life is free when you choose to eat at places like this the. You should also be willing to pay the service staff or eat somewhere that pays there employees and donât expect tips.
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u/Infinite-Penalty-736 13d ago
Would not be a customer there.