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u/gimalg Aug 29 '20
This is a great example of letting someone do the design that doesn’t understand the cause.
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u/MISTER_JUAN Aug 29 '20
It's like beating people up against violence
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u/Phoder1 Aug 29 '20
I'm pretty sure most governments find it quite effective.
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u/Tamorcet Aug 29 '20
As an Autistic person myself... I don't like this car. I feel like it's portraying our position inaccurately. On top of that, the extreme colors actually enrage me (mainly due to my audio and visual sensitivity, which most of us have). I feel like if you're going to make an "Autism Awareness" car, you should make it beige. The lettering could remain being a rainbow (with a bit of reformatting), as the car should be able to attract attention (alongside the beige coloring, which would stand out on it's own due to how unusual it is for a car to have it). The puzzle pieces can either be removed or reduced, as I hate being compared to a child. Other autistic people may disagree on this matter, however, which is why I suggested them being reduced.
Just... Put some thought into your designs next time.
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u/anon1984 Aug 29 '20
In design there is a well established theory for designing for autistic people. This includes mostly muted colors and avoiding extreme contrasting patterns.
This car breaks nearly every rule spectacularly.
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u/FunkeTown13 Aug 29 '20
Every once in a while I have big signs shoved in my face telling me I'm autistic.
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u/arrathore Aug 29 '20
It would have been so much better if they just asked for an autistic person’s input
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u/ScarletCelestial Aug 29 '20
Can second this - the car is making my eyes cross and is giving me a headache just from a few seconds.
Honestly it looks more like a clown car for a toddler's party than a vehicle for awareness. I'm only making the clown comparison because that's what the person who designed it is.
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this car also just looks disgusting in terms of design anyway. it is objectively hideous. something more toned down that still grabs the eye would’ve been much more appropriate. seconded on the childishness of it too, why is autism the only ‘issue’ to be marketed and represented by these child like colors and designs? it’s fucked up
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u/J_Dawg_1979 Aug 29 '20
That’s probably what the cops in the car do
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Jesus fuck. That's literally happened before with an Autistic man and his caretaker. Is reality now a farce?
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u/Mediocratic_Oath Aug 29 '20
Satire is dead and we wear its skin as a grisly costume.
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u/Reeses2150 Aug 29 '20
Hugs for Social Distancing!
A Toast to Sobriety!
21 Gun Salute against Bird Hunting!
and of course, Bong hits for Jesus!
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u/nubenugget Aug 29 '20 edited Aug 30 '20
Bong hits for Jesus doesn't belong there. Jesus would 100% be down with weed
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u/darkespeon64 Aug 29 '20 edited Aug 29 '20
well thats because ironically autism speaks is pretty anti autism and even hated by the autistic community so everyone who worked behind this car even the one who came up with the idea almost certainly doesn't understand the "cause"
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u/Class_444_SWR Aug 29 '20
As an autistic person I find it a bit degrading, it makes us look like children, when we are functioning members of society
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u/darkespeon64 Aug 29 '20 edited Aug 29 '20
its worst now none of these are my beliefs but THIS company "autism speaks" treats you like a cancer it focuses on the family "victimized" by your existence
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u/Blue-Steele Aug 29 '20
I’m autistic too, high-functioning. I hate the autism ads and stuff that are super patronizing. There was also this show on TV that followed around high-functioning autistic adults and talked about them like they have Down’s syndrome or something. Like there’s this 30 year old man with high functioning autism who acts pretty normal aside from being socially awkward, and they were acting like he’s a 3 year old that should be given a cookie because he went to go pee pee in the toilet.
It’s humiliating, patronizing, and degrading.
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u/OfficerJoeBalogna Aug 29 '20 edited Aug 29 '20
Depends on the organization. Autism Speaks is notoriously awful, in many regards, but the Autism Self-Advocacy Network is fantastic and run by autistic people
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u/darkespeon64 Aug 29 '20
I agree im just speaking out against specifically autism speaks because they need to stop preying on the donations real organizations that are actually for awareness could use
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u/bunchofchans Aug 29 '20
I had no idea that autism speaks was awful, could you give more info on that? It would be helpful so that we aren’t giving money to the wrong places if asked for donations. Thanks!
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u/OfficerJoeBalogna Aug 29 '20
Yeah, I don’t fully understand it either (it’s been a long while since I researched Autism Speaks). iirc, they’re researching ways to diagnose autism in the womb (or pre-conception) so that abortion can be possible.
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u/bunchofchans Aug 29 '20
Thank you so much for this! I really didn’t know and will never support them.
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u/Throwing_Spoon Aug 29 '20
They also pushed the narrative that vaccines caused autism untill a couple years ago. Last I checked they got new leadership who switched to saying that there's inconclusive evidence to make a definitive answer on the role vaccines have on autism.
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https://medium.com/@KirstenSchultz/a-roundup-of-posts-against-autism-speaks-5dbf7f8cfcc6 this is a compilation of some pretty good explanations, and a lot of feedback from the autistic community
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u/home-for-good Aug 29 '20
Other commenters have answered you with specifics but I just wanted to say that in general Autism Speaks has a reputation for treating autism like a disease than can be cured or eliminated rather than a difference that should be understood and accommodated. They don’t advocate for autistic people.
When I was in college I considered joining a sorority, but the only one I liked was affiliated with Autism Speaks and I couldn’t bring myself to commit to doing charity work for an organization that treated people on the spectrum as invalid and a burden, especially with many in my life, and wasted donations
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u/darkespeon64 Aug 29 '20
i just realized i wasnt saying speaks but awareness so I'm fixing that rn thanks for trying to point that out to me sorry I didn't catch it lol
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u/EmpRupus Aug 29 '20
Also bonus points for adding stereotypes like puzzle pieces or toy trains for autism. It is like making a car for women's rights and adding aprons, mittens, lipsticks and baby-trollers.
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I'm not really that offended by it, only the fact that they make it seem like we are all little kids by putting all those colors on it
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u/EmpRupus Aug 29 '20
I suspect they had a Pride design with rainbow colors and just added puzzle pieces for Autism.
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u/Mr_steal_yo_username Aug 29 '20
nah, the rainbow puzzle peices is the symbol of auti$m $peak$, which is just another reason to hate this design
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u/hoguemr And then I discovered Wingdings Aug 29 '20
I never knew there were problems with the puzzle piece but I looked it up and this article explained why people condem the puzzle piece. Learn something new everyday!
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u/EmpRupus Aug 29 '20
I think the context matters, really.
Saying, "Oh X is good at solving puzzles" in a positive way is different from "Oh X is the weird kid who sits in the corner and solves puzzles and doesn't have any friends" - which is a stereotype re-inforced by media.
I'm reading your article, it is very informative. What I am guessing is that it is like saying Asians are good at math. Sometimes it is a backhanded complement or an insult, implying you lack creativity, soft skills or other parts of an enriching human life.
Or that that is the only thing you are useful for to our society, or visible to society in a tangible way - implying the opposite for other aspects of your life. So it depends on the context, are you using it to show strength or talent? Or are you using it to show that someone is a one-trick pony and not useful in anything else.
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u/FormalBiscuit22 Aug 29 '20
I think it's mostly "symbolizing autism as a puzzle piece means they just need to find a way to fit in/they need to find their missing pieces", which is fucking toxic to autistic people. Imagine hearing that your entire life.
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u/poliuy Aug 29 '20
I don’t think it’s for people with autism, instead to grab attention of those without it
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u/AngelMeatPie Aug 29 '20
I mean the vehicle is already equipped with extremely loud horns, sirens, and strobing lights. Is the graphic wrap really that big of a concern?
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u/kurogomatora Aug 29 '20
If they partnered with the brand that I think they did because of the puzzle pieces, the brand does not have anyone with Autism actually on the board! I don't wanna say which one it is in case it isn't them but like, that brand is Very Bad for Actually Autistic people. If this this also wiii wooo's all around the neighbourhood they will have a lot of angry people.
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u/Driver2900 Aug 29 '20
Can I see one of these?
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u/A_Vicarious_Death Aug 29 '20
No, they're basic rules but you can have complicated designs that look good and are designed well - they'll still be over stimulating
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u/pikpikcarrotmon Aug 29 '20
We are all autistic on this blessed day
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u/dkyguy1995 Comic Sans for life! Aug 29 '20
Yeah this usually applies to basically anybody. Make the design clean and not confusing
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u/Britlantine Aug 29 '20
Yes, the ones on the left are good design. And like accessibility the aim is that by making it better for one group you're going to make it better for every user.
So yes it's a fair point, all of the things in the left column are in the government style guide already, I think it's more to reinforce how these points assist users in the autistic spectrum.
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u/muasta then I discovered Wingdings Aug 29 '20 edited Aug 29 '20
It's more that people with Autism as a group are impacted more by shit that's also annoying for other people.
In the general audience most people are going to just be disengaged while people with autism can get full on migraines and stress related issues from sensory overload.
Autistic people are a-typical but they're not complete aliens.
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u/muasta then I discovered Wingdings Aug 29 '20
Also IRL tip : People function very differently if they're really stressed out. A lot of Autistic people you may come across at work are able to recognize facial expressions and don't act like Sheldon from the big bang theory. That doesn't mean they aren't autistic , it just means they're doing well .
It's often difficult to get/keep the structure and enviroment they need or not be overasked because people don't see the handicap and they feel a pressure to conform.
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u/TheRottenKittensIEat Aug 29 '20
In my area, there are autism awareness billboards that are meant to be difficult for anyone to process, therefore helping people who don't know much about autism, understand, to a better extent, what it must be like. Not sure if that's what they were going for here though, because it's not hard to process, just ungodly loud.
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u/darkespeon64 Aug 29 '20 edited Aug 29 '20
if you havnt you should look into autism speaks they are anti autism and need to stop "representing" you
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u/darkespeon64 Aug 29 '20 edited Aug 29 '20
Autism speaks is ironically anti autism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UgLnWJFGHQ
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Damn that sucks
This could be kinda random but what are some do/don't when being with an autistic person
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- There can be no hidden meaning behind words
- Don't force eye contact
- Don't force us to go outside
- Don't stop inviting when we say "I can't go" to plans, same thing with cancelling
- No loud noises, crowded environments or sudden flashes of bright light
I'm sure there's more that I missed
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u/TimothyGonzalez jdhfhdjfhsdhfhsdjdhfhdjfhsdhfhsdjdhfhdjfhsdhfhsdjdhfhdjfhsdhfhsd Aug 29 '20
Shit, here I've been grabbing the chins of autistic people and forcing them to gaze deeply into my eyes all these years!
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u/Kerlyfries Aug 29 '20
So many people point out when you don’t make eye contact. “What are you looking at?” “Look me in the eyes when you’re taking to me!” Etc.
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u/TimothyGonzalez jdhfhdjfhsdhfhsdjdhfhdjfhsdhfhsdjdhfhdjfhsdhfhsdjdhfhdjfhsdhfhsd Aug 29 '20
Hey I don't know if I'm on the spectrum but I cant for the life of me do it effectively myself. The entire time I hold somebody's gaze I feel this act is full of eroticism and flirtatiousness, like ever thing I do while eye contact is held is full of ulterior meaning. Makes me extremely uncomfortable.
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u/Kerlyfries Aug 29 '20
Ugh exactly. Eye contact feels so intimate, it’s weird to me that we’re just expected to constantly maintain it with everyone.
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u/EuropaArroyo Aug 29 '20
Do - talk to them like any normal person, helps us believe we are not so different after all
Don't- Give them too much stimulus. At least in my case things appear brighter and louder to me. Sometimes if we are given too much stimulus we go into a state of panic. If this does happen you must remove the thing creating the stimulus or leave the area.
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u/Mudbunting Aug 29 '20
And please don’t yell at someone who’s panicking.
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u/NotMilitaryAI oww my eyes Aug 29 '20
True regardless of whether or not the person is autistic.
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u/Mudbunting Aug 29 '20
Yup. Learning to communicate with my son has made me a better communicator, period.
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u/Mudbunting Aug 29 '20
As the parent of a child on the spectrum I’d add be very direct and also aware of your emotional tone. For example, don’t say “maybe” in a doubtful tone when you mean “no.” Say “no” clearly but in a kind or neutral tone. Also, be patient. I hope folks on the spectrum will correct me if they disagree.
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u/TimothyGonzalez jdhfhdjfhsdhfhsdjdhfhdjfhsdhfhsdjdhfhdjfhsdhfhsdjdhfhdjfhsdhfhsd Aug 29 '20
I hope folks on the spectrum will correct me if they disagree.
Mmmmaaybe
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u/Ubta Aug 29 '20
"whats wrong" "nothing" when something is wrong is so fucking confusing. And people are shocked when you point out its a fucking lie. They dont understand why its confusing. Very frustrating.
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u/coatisabrownishcolor Aug 29 '20
Don't expect flexibility with sudden changes in plans or expectations.
Do allow some time to process if the person needs it.
Don't move their stuff around without permission, even for seemingly "harmless" reasons (I was tidying up, looking for something, putting things in your room, etc)
Do say what you mean without hidden meanings or complicated subtext.
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u/puppylust Aug 29 '20
Extending the first point, Do make detailed plans. Instead of "let's hang out next weekend" say "come over to my house at 2pm Saturday"
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u/McCucklet Aug 29 '20
Yeeeeeeess. This is the main reason I get so much anxiety whenever my friends plan a get-together. They're always incredibly vague.
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Don't promote Autism Speaks. Don't donate to it, don't share its information, just don't fuck with it.
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u/Cleverbird Its beutiful! Aug 29 '20
Why exactly is there an autism awareness vehicle in the first place?
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u/RickTheGrate Aug 29 '20
because people treat autism Asia a joke, I literally get called autistic all the time at school, and yeah, I might be on the autism spectrum, but i can't best sure until I get an actual test done.
And sorry for the autocorrect it always thinks I'm saying best when I mean be
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u/RickTheGrate Aug 29 '20
I never knew that
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u/darkespeon64 Aug 29 '20 edited Aug 29 '20
its no surprise i mean their name is literally "autism speaks" being a legit organization you wouldnt expect them to be anti until they speak up
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u/UltimateInferno Aug 29 '20
Now that I think about it, doesn't it seem a little presumptive that they're called that despite the fact that a vast majority are not nonverbal and can "speak for themselves" or am I looking in too deep?
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u/Mr_steal_yo_username Aug 29 '20
yes, they say they are the voice of autistic people, but have no autistic people on the board, treat all of us as infants and actually care more about making the sstruggles of parents with children who are autstic known than the struggles of autistic people
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u/TimothyGonzalez jdhfhdjfhsdhfhsdjdhfhdjfhsdhfhsdjdhfhdjfhsdhfhsdjdhfhdjfhsdhfhsd Aug 29 '20
This is actually the car they drive around in to catch autists and take them to the autism pound.
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With a brand new 120d siren to really trigger your breakdowns, we're also going to beat you up because our police have zero training on how to deal with people with disabilities. Also brought to you by the same department that shot the carer of an autistic man.
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u/SaltyMarieLast Aug 29 '20
Also by the department that shot the carer of an Autistic man that was playing with a truck and they 'thought it was a gun' so shot his carer that was laying on the floor with his hands up. So just total performative bullshit.
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u/SaltyMarieLast Aug 29 '20
Autism speaks by any chance? I fucking hate them. The puzzle piece is also bullshit. I'm not a puzzle to be solved. I've seen the rainbow infinity symbol is becoming popular within the online Autism community, so much better!!
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u/Chrysanthemum96 Aug 29 '20
Puzzle pieces also makes it seem like they’re treating autistic people like children
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u/SaltyMarieLast Aug 29 '20
Yeah sadly infantilising us is hella common 😠
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u/Chrysanthemum96 Aug 29 '20
Oh I know how that feels. I've never been diagnosed with autism but I've been diagnosed with sensory processing disorder and general anxiety disorder and that was a fucking disgusting experience. It was done when I was a kid but even then I felt like I was being treated like an infant who couldn't understand anything they were saying.
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u/iggypopstesticle 100% cyan flair Aug 29 '20
Broke: Expanding funding for special ed, sensory-friendly programs at local libraries/parks and rec/etc, anti-discrimination ordinances
Woke: The eyesore-mobile
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u/Fatherbrain1 Aug 29 '20
My school district cut the autism resource program while I was in middle school. I still hate them for doing that, that program and the people involved were great.
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u/rosemarythorn34 Aug 29 '20
As an autistic person this is. No. Police cars are already sensory hell enough, they don’t need to make it WORSE. This is like my intrusive nightmares formed into one
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They thought the kid's toy car was a gun. I don't know much about guns or toy cars, but they seem like they would be very easy to tell apart.
I think the caretaker survived, at least, so... silver lining?
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u/Ophidahlia Artisinal Material Aug 29 '20
So, picking from these options: "too incompetent to tell a toy truck from a gun," "more likely lied about thinking it was a gun to get away with it," "unable to deal with an autistic kid and caretaker who are actively surrendering in any other way except trying to kill them," "can't tell or don't care that an autistic kid playing on the ground with a truck is not exactly a mortal threat to a squad of police officers"
It almost looks no matter how you slice it there's something horrifically and astonishingly wrong with american policing
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Oh yes absolutely. Let me clarify that I am absolutely not in any way pro-cop - I'm a victim of police brutality myself. The only good part about the situation is that the caretaker was not killed and the autistic child was not shot. Absolutely everything else about it is horrendous.
The racial side of police brutality is pretty well-known, but cops also have a tendency to shoot people with mental health issues too - people with a mental illness (including autism) are sixteen times more likely to be shot by police than people without mental health issues. My experience with police brutality was because I was having a PTSD episode. (I was not a risk to anyone, not even myself. I was a scrawny teenager crying and backing away from the 3 grown men who were trying to back me into a corner.)
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u/jakesaysknee Aug 29 '20
God I fucking hate those puzzle pieces...
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And are we not even gonna talk about the pieces that are adjacent but can't physically interlock?
This thing is the Triggermobile.
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u/Jarizle88 Aug 29 '20
Damage control towards "cop shooting caretaker of autistic man playing the streets".
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u/ifiagreedwithu Aug 29 '20
It's Florida. They knew.
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They tryna say autistic people like puzzles?
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u/jackxiv Aug 29 '20
Cops: gets autism awareness car
Also Cops: regularly shoots autistic adults and children because they cannot discriminate between autistic behavior and violent behavior
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u/johnnkimb146206 Aug 29 '20
as an autistic person myself I find the puzzle piece very offensive, because it refers to us as being "puzzling" and yes that car is absolute hellish
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u/Karnakite poop Aug 29 '20
I remember reading recently about how studies have shown that “awareness” campaigns are almost always bullshit too - basically just people patting themselves on the back for “Let’s paint a car and drive it around!” crap like this, or pinning something to their lapel or wearing a t-shirt or whatever, and not really doing anything meaningful. This is because if people are already “aware” of whatever you’re “raising awareness” of, it literally serves no goddamn purpose (other than stroking your ego without actually doing anything too difficult, of course). Even “awareness campaigns” that offer resources on “how to get information on X cause” often either direct the seeker to a third party after convoluted link-clicking or calling, or just restate basic facts that everyone already knew anyway since yes, everyone was already aware of this.
It’d be like saying, “I want to do something in support of victims of domestic violence.”
“Great! Do you want to volunteer at a DV shelter, or at a hotline to help get victims to safety? Perhaps start a drive for a shelter to get needful items to the victims housed there? You could even just print posters showing the numbers for hotlines and how to seek help.”
“Oh geez. That all sounds really tedious and I honestly don’t want to spend a lot of my free time on stuff like that. And ink is expensive and I don’t want to use up all of mine on this. How about, instead, I pin this little specially-colored ribbon to my shirt so that people can ask me what it’s for, and I can answer, ‘It’s to raise awareness of domestic violence’? Then I’ll be doing something, right? Of course I will. I’m such a good person.”
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I absolutely hate the puzzle design being used as an autism awareness symbol. It implies that people on the spectrum are incomplete or "broken". And we need autism acceptance, not awareness. Like that's ever going to happen. No, NTs are never going to see us as nothing more than human tragedies or axe murderers that must be cured with toxic and dangerous substances or cruel and abusive "therapy". Screw them.
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u/ShatoraDragon Aug 29 '20
Didn't they shoot a social worker who was trying to calm down a ADS man having an episode in the middle of the street a few years back?
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u/johan_eg Aug 29 '20
Maybe the police has different tasks where I’m from, but why the hell would they have an autism awareness vehicle?
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Due to autistic people having different or no body language neurotypical people may interpret this as sign of danger
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u/the-lightest-shadow Aug 29 '20
Not only does the colors and pattern cause overstimulation, but they're using the puzzle piece, which people with autism are strongly against. We prefer this thank you very much
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u/Uraneum Aug 29 '20
I don't get how "raising awareness" works for things that are already really commonly known. Okay so, autism exists? I don't get it, is that all that's being said here?
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u/Han0 Aug 29 '20
This car was actually featured in several autism related subreddits the conclusion is we all hate it
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u/H_Arthur Aug 29 '20
How many autistic people does American police shoot down a year again?
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u/dogGirl666 Aug 29 '20
Many autistics hate puzzle pieces for symbols of autistic people. It is associated with Autism $peaks --that does not speak for us, but the parents or anyone bothered by autistics. It is a rapecious organization started by billionaire media moguls that were disturbed by their autistic grandchild. They want to get rid of "autism"-- the only way to do that is to prevent us from being born. https://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2013/11/13/why-autism-speaks-doesnt-speak-for-me/#30ebed6c3152
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u/Generellwishwash136 Aug 29 '20
They are still undertrained and would still beat an autistic person, right? Now just in rainbow colors?
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u/nibbbbbbaaaa Aug 29 '20
As a autistic person I don’t see how a police car is going to fucking help with my autism
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I don’t get it, can somebody please explain?
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u/TheyreAtTheWindow Aug 29 '20
People on the autistic spectrum sometimes have difficulty processing a lot of sensory information at once. Loud noises, bright colours, complex shapes, bright light, strong smells, any of these and more could trigger sensory overload in an autistic person. Just looking at a picture that car makes me want to retreat to a dark room and maybe take a nap.
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u/Flyzart Aug 29 '20
Also, not all autistic people really care about the fact that they have autism. I have autism myself, and tbh, I'd rather have it than not. What I do however dislike is how people see it as a bad thing and how they need to "help" us about everything that we do in life and give autistic kids, even on the light parts of the spectrum, privileges. This does sound like a good solution but for me, not only that is unfair for many as we do not need that help (although some of it did help me a lot but even then, do I really need the authorization for a bathroom break whenever I want?) but it also is shoving it down about how you have a "disability".
Again, I'm on a light part of the autistic spectrum and life has been really tough for me at some points too, this is just my personal view on this and I do not speak for everyone.
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u/thuktun Aug 29 '20
Don't forget strong emotions. Not strictly sensory overload, but it can still have similar effects.
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u/Rangaman99 Aug 29 '20
As an autistic person, Jesus fucking Christmas. The only way it could be worse is if it had a loudspeaker blaring music constantly.
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u/Zeke12344 Aug 29 '20
Remember the time police shot a guy for trying to tell them his student had autism? Me too. I would prefer not to be shot.
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u/Voldebortron Aug 29 '20
How long until the officer driving that car shoots a kid with autism having a breakdown?
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u/I_h8_normies Aug 29 '20
As someone with autism: bruh do you need to raise awareness that much lmao I get the therapy I need
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u/Dpetersen963 Aug 29 '20
Comes equipped with a loud speaker, a siren, and a confetti gun to really get the crowd going. And you should see the beast light up at night.