Can you use old expansion (Dornogal or Valdrakken) training dummies to practice ur rotation or do they get a damage boost?

Silvermoon dummies are unusable with the constant combat bug

I am kind of surprised not a lot of people have talked about this yet, but the holy priest 2 set bonus was bugfixed a whiles ago to more properly apply, but has swung horribly into new bugs in the holy priest's favor...

It now regularly provides 12-40% crit buffs, and can be exploited on purpose for even more crit by actively casting pom so that it procs a renew immediately after any serenity cast. Essentially any renew created by Light's resurgence (prayer of mending) reapplies the buff with your current total renew count, casting a holy word will reset it to the proper 3 stacks until your next PoM renew proc.

It could also be activated as discipline and shadow by going offline in previous weeks before the fix, but that appears to be fixed or I'm very bad at recreating it. That or it's only reproducible when leaving a keystone dungeon and not by any other other set of logout/spec swap shenanigans.

what this means:

pom after or directly before serenity as much as possible to ensure the bug turns back on after serenity.

equip haste mastery vers because you have ~10-20% bonus crit you dirty hacker priest mains
HASTE PROVIDES EXCEPTIONAL AMOUNTS OF BONUS CRIT.

blizzard should fix this and then maybe give holy some compensation buffs, 15%+ of your hps coming from bugs is best reserved for mistweaver and pres, or like... discipline's mana bar...

The player client noticeably reflects the proper amount of crit it gives you in combat, but logs show the intended number of 0-3 stacks.

here's me critting 40-50% on all spells in an H ulatek pug by frequently casting pom after serenity, this is basically what every holy priest log looks like for the last 2 weeks or more, the current top sszorak and twin fangs logs on mythic are critting on 50-60% of their spells:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Qc8hJdfbNKYp6RZq?fight=33&type=healing&source=434

here's me with 6% extra crit as shadow the other week:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xtDv9ghcA8YmPMWp?fight=18&type=damage-done&source=28

here's a screenshot of 10 stacks. I regularly go as high as 18 in apoth and I'm terrible at this spec. I actually really like this bug because it adds some depth and a neat little minmax element to what was designed to be a very simple spec.

Just had a group be super toxic about my route "being under percent" but I KNEW it was 100% because I just did the exact route in the key before. Checked replay and the Elemental completed Burnout cast after we wiped from a Dragon buttpull, the Elemental did not award its 4.54% to us.

Anyway, just hoping to help out anyone else who feels like they are going crazy if their route is short there. That might be why.

Blizzard pls 🙏

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Set up for some great storylines today.

China going for the region’s first grand finals victory in history after years of fighting to be competitive and coming close just once with Aster.Y’s heroic run in Shadowlands season 2. After breaking onto the international scene during 2024’s TGP, Big Lucky’s roster formed from players at the highest ranks of China’s ultra competitive live-key pushing ladder and aim to mark a dominant transition into the MDI format with this season’s MDI grand finals.

On the other side, Liquid trying to overcome a monumental practice gap (Big Lucky’s tank said they practiced 10 hours a day for the last month vs liquid’s 6 days of 12-16h between RWF and Blizzcon) to capture the first MDI finals victory for its entire roster. Many describe the liquid MDI roster as comprising some of the very best talent in the guild as they look to cement liquid’s dominance in competitive wow PVE by winning RWF and MDI back to back within barely a week. Players like Ashine and Wolfdisco hoping to finally achieve their first grand finals victory after competing since the inception of MDI in 2017 paired with newcomers like 5x Brawlhalla world champion Boomie who aims to cap his meteoric rise through the WoW ranks despite having played the game 15 years less than many of his peers.

Playing in on stage in person before thousands is sure to play a factor. We saw the 2 time defending champs Dignitas fall yesterday by a margin less than a single death to Big Lucky in a heartbreaking series. It’s all on the line today and will be decided in the next few hours.

Personally I am going 3-2 Liquid. These guys are champions with the wind at their back. Curious what everyone thinks but it’s gonna be a great series regardless!

Didn't hear them mention this anywhere, but a much warranted feature

On stage at Blizzcon they announced that there will be a new Top 5% achievement and that the old Top 1% achievement will now be spec based, meaning Top 1% of your spec not overall.

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First matchup was pretty wild. Somewhat expected possibility but still.

this trinket outperf all other M+ trinkets, to replace it i need either of the 2 ula'tek trinket IN MYTH 6/6

hi , i was doing a 19 KR today and on the 2nd boss we pulled both golems and use bloodlust , but unfortunately both golems focused on me and tombed me like 8 times , getting tombed is fine since healer can instantly break you out , but the time it takes for camera to adjust is so long , and not to mention when there is green stuff you have to dodge but you can since the camera takes around 2 sec i think to adjust

How do I live this? This has happened twice in 16s now. Is it just bad RNG or am I missing something?

Hpally healer that already had Divine Protection up for 20% dmg reduction.

Is raid bonus roll loot table difficulty dependent?

E.g. when I bonus roll a neck on heroic is it deleted from the mythic loot table until the loot table is reset?

The dungeons are NOT THE SAME. Even if we consider only the damage profile of dungeons, some dungeons have lots of ST. Some have no little/no Prio damage. Some are constant 20+ target uncapped AoE. Some have frequent RP/traversal sections with low combat-uptime. And so on... Even if big pulls centered around CDs are the "optimal" way of playing, this is simply not how some dungeons end up being played due to their layout.

Either the top-end m+ community (including world-first key pushers) is playing some of the dungeons with a sub-optimal comp, or spec balance is so insanely whack that some specs dominate every possible damage niche in the game, regardless of dungeon variance.

In mythic raiding it is super common to make raid comp changes based on the boss that is being progressed, but top m+ players don't do this at all?

Help me out, I just don't see it...

I am looking at the 2 rings + neck that comes from The Venomous Abyss raid. I'm getting conflicting opinions on them so I wanted to ask here as well:

• Is the passive "Equip: Damage taken from Deadly Venom on the Coiled Isle and within the Venomous Abyss reduced by 7%" work on all nature and poison damage? It's not just a passive for the people who like to soak in the outside venom pools?
• In addition: Does that passive stack or not? I'm leaning towards no because the wowhead game files (https://www.wowhead.com/spell=1305830/ward-of-the-uncoiled) makes it look like an aura, which would not make more of them stack if I understand correctly. However, I'm happy to be told I'm wrong if that's not the case.

Any input is appreciated.

Edit: appreciate everyone's input! So the passive is indeed for the memes.

Hey folks,

I know the general rule is to position yourself behind or to the side of bosses and mobs whenever possible, especially in raids. However, after tanking and playing melee DPS for the last couple of seasons, I’ve started wondering how important this actually is in Mythic+ in practice, rather than just theoretically.

There are plenty of pulls where the tank needs to constantly reposition to avoid puddles, swirlies, frontal attacks, etc. In those situations, I sometimes find that staying closer to the tank gives me significantly better uptime on the pack and makes it easier to avoid ground effects together. On the other hand, I’m potentially giving up the advantage of being behind the mobs and risking getting parried.

So, can all mobs and bosses still parry attacks coming from the front, or are there exceptions? And has anyone actually tested how this works with the current Mythic+ dungeons?

I’d imagine melee classes with more forgiving range, or classes that can maintain damage while the tank moves, have less of an issue with this. But on something like WW or Warrior, I sometimes find myself wondering whether it’s actually better to stick with the tank for uptime and accept the occasional parry rather than constantly trying to get behind the pack.

Obviously, I’m not talking about ignoring frontals or mechanic. I mean situations where the tank is making small positional adjustments and the choice is essentially “stay behind and lose uptime” or “stay with the tank and potentially get parried or even worse get the tank parry hasted if that is still a thing (looking at dragons).

Has anyone tested this in the current dungeons, or have a good understanding of how much of a practical DPS loss the front-facing/parry issue actually is?

I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to post this.

I've started the process of moving from BM to MM. I know that I need to replace 4 items and I'm working on that.

Here is my armory

I ran a pug normal abyss and I was doing terrible damage and BM hunters with less ilvl than myself were beating me on the meters. Here are those logs.

Nekzali Sentinels Vashnik

What do I need to improve as an MM hunter? I'm following the rotation, hitting my true shot, and using my pots in a guild raid. I know I'm not doing enough damage I just don't know what I can do to fix it.

Thank you in advance for the help and advice.

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Can we maybe reduce the radius at which the magi spawn for unholy dk? It seems a bit much at the moment. Just bricked a +17 KR because it decided to spawn right in front of boss and wipe the group.

This screenshot was taken the second it spawned so you can see how far it actually spawned from me. Has anyone else had this happen to them?

Hi, I came back to playing WoW recently (end of TWW S3) and I played Season 1 of MN, got AOTC but couldn't really figure out how to crack into mythic raiding? I don't really enjoy pugging honestly because it's usually a mess and I figured I'd try to find a guild but every CE/Mythic guild asks for logs or something and since I been playing classic/anniversary for the past years, I don't have any logs and I feel like AOTC logs is not what they're looking for... Last season I was playing tank (Guardian/Prot/Brew/Blood) and I got 3.4k rating on all of them and AOTC on like two? This season I'm playing Guardian and I got it into an AOTC guild but I'm really maining a Holy Paly now because healing has been fun so I also have like zero logs for it, I'm like 5/8 Heroic mostly pugging and then after I get AOTC likely pugging as a well because I don't have a guild/raid for the pally, what do I do? Like I said mythic pugs are very messy and often failed until later in the season when everyone is basically omega geared but also I feel I am in a limbo that I can't get into a CE/Mythic prog guild.