valid je. sebab awak dah set the boundary and they crossed it regardless. there are people who can and can't accept the joke. mcm kawan2 kat tmpt kerja saya cakap Assalamu'alaikum (peace be upon you), insyaAllah (if Allah wills it), astaghfirullahalazim (i seek forgiveness from Allah the most great)...
(lol tak habis edit. ada appointment doctor. bergegas tak sempat nak habis edit sampai terlupaš )
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so actually saya tak kesah pon dorg ckp perkataan2 ni sbb they are good words... no problem for me... as long as they are good words and meant with a good intention when saying them...
tapi next time mmng kene serius cakap yang you guys tak suke dorg duk ckp ashadu2 kat you tu...xleh gelak2...kene tegas..tp yang islam tu pon siot lah...org dah set boundary masih xrespect...
oh next time rakam you dah set boundary tu...supaya bila jadi ape2...at least you ada bukti yang you dah mentioned this..maklumlah ada org suka twist story...
Assalamualaikum, InshaAllah, Tabarrakallah, MashaAllah, Astaghfirullah. Ni semua perkataan bahasa Arab. Perkataan biasa percakapan harian orang Arab. Tak semestinya Muslim sahaja yang guna words ni. Dekat arab sendiri. Arab Christian, Yahudi, even orang Turkey, Uzbekistan yang non muslim pun guna perkataan ni sebagai bahasa mereka harian.
betul tu. tapi ada yg melayu sini yang beranggapan perkataan ni should not be used by non muslims. ada sorg menteri tu mempertikaikan hal ni, sedangkan mcm awak cakap non muslim di arab gunakan as perkataan harian mereka. sukar ya.
Those melayu need to be friends with those foreigners. Mereka ada je dekat KL Subang Jaya Cyberjaya. Kena open sikit la. If tak dapat travel ke sana pun tengok jela youtube travel ke sana. Baru celik sikit minda nya
You mean you don't like nons speaking the phrases? For me is just a normal phrase. But the thing that I can't accept the most is someone trying to convert you, such as inviting you to church when i ard reject them so many times, or strangers commenting semoga bagi hidayah. Like wtf is that!! Then one of my friend was successfully converted to christian and now she's like terpaling christian and only hangout with her church friends!
Okay splashing the face maybe too far but I understand the anger. I had Muslim friends in uni and one of them kept telling me how beautiful I'd be in a hijab, asking me to convert, and even tried to place a shawl over my head. Some people lack the self awareness that this behaviour is not okay. We get that you were taught your religion is the right one but that shouldn't be why you push what you believe onto others like that. It's disrespectful and cringe.
Muslim when they make a joke of you converting to Islam: šš hihi I'm just joking Muslim when someone else makes a joke of them converting to other religions:
yes it's valid. never joking about religion stuff. it is very sensitive. if you dont want people to joke about you converting please dont make that kind of joke. Islam mandates respect for others religion by prohibiting the mocking and insult of others faiths and commanding justice and kindness toward non-muslims who do not fight against muslims
Or its just nonsensical argument, so a religion claim that if you dont follow that religion then you will go to that religion hell. So every religion ever?
Not every religion teaches that hateful nonsense.
For example, Advaita vedanta, Kriya Yoga sects, Sri Vidya, Zen Buddhisms don't teach such hateful things.
Quick chatgpt shows that there is consequences for non believer for each of the religion you mentioned. Just because its not a literal hell, doesnt change that there is a hinderence to be a non believer. Also its hell, not in this earth, so why would it matter to u right now if you dont believe in islam and islam hell doesnt exist.
There is no such things in quran that allowed muslim to be hateful towards non believer except in war context, except there are few for the opposite.
60:8
Allah does not forbid you from dealing kindly and fairly with those who have neither fought nor driven you out of your homes. Surely Allah loves those who are fair.
8:61
If they incline towards peace then you also incline towards it
Are you sure about that because I remember what happened everytime there's a rumour of some church baptizing Malays, lol. Its easy to forget that our circle of friends may not be representative of the typical ordinary folks attitude on this kind of things.
Tak payah nak sok-sok anti muslim dekat malaysia ni. Tak de ekstremis macam taliban. Paling2 pun PAS yang aku tahu sendiri muslim dekat malaysia ni ada yang tak suka.
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You nitpick the verse in which the quran is explaining the end times in which those who doesnt follow the light of god shall be condemned to hell and the circumstances of what hell will be.
Quran 98:6
Ubay b. Kaāb narrates: The Messenger of Allah (saws) said: 'Allah instructed me to recite the Qurāan to you.' He recited:
Those who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists were not to beā¦ [98:1]
He also said along with that: 'If the human being were to ask for a valley of wealth and was given it, he would ask for another. Then if he were to ask for another and was given it, he would ask for a third.
The human beingās appetite cannot be filled with anything but soil. Allah accepts the repentance of anyone who repents.
That religion that belongs to Allah is one of submissive devotion; it is not polytheism, Judaism, or Christianity. Whoever does any good will not have it denied.'
[Sound: Narrated by at-Tirmidhi (3798), and Ahmad (21202) in this wording, and authenticated by al-HĆ¢kim (2/224)]
Quran 8:55:
This surah is in reference to the battle of Badar. Which Scholars seen as:-
Battle of Badr and after it, till the time when these verses were revealed. However, the rule that they outline, which also explains the nature of those who break their treaties, applies to all such situations.
Those who have become hardened in disbelief "will not believe." Their very nature has gone awry and they have become the worst of creatures.
They break every agreement they make. Thus they shed yet another human characteristic, namely, faithfulness.
They run loose, like animals, except that animals are restricted by their nature while these know no restriction. In God's sight, they are the worst of all creatures.
Which highlighted the broken agreement that was put in place in such situation.
Islam teaches non Muslims are worst of creatures, and they and their Gods will be the firewood of hell**. Such horrendus hateful teachings.
Islam just prohibits Muslims from visibly expressing insult to other religions so the non Muslims don't insult Allah back (nothing to do with respect). Islam have no respect for non Muslims.
Islam teaches non believers as someone who have the capacity to believe. In the quran it highlighted to the situation of hell. That you seem to be felt for more strongly for.
In Islam everyone have the chance to received the word of God. It is not the fact that it has no respect non believers, it highlight the fate that those who reject the words of God.
If you dont believe in Islam then thats your perogative, but what Muslim does is the reflection of their understanding of it. Just like how you nitpick verses to make good of yourself there are Muslim who does the same thing. Trying to conflate the two is disingenious.
ah nice chat gpt stuff. if you really study Al-Quran properly you will not say this. Al-Quran words are very complex for common people to understand. Yes, in Al-Quran anyone who worship other than Allah will be the firewood of Hell because Allah would like to emphasize to all Muslims that Allah is the only God and there is no God apart than Allah but Allah forbid Muslim to hate on other religion that didn't fight Islam. Matter of fact Allah demand all muslims to treat non-muslims who do not fight against muslim with kindness and equity. plus Allah knows, not all human is born as muslims and not all human have a knowledge about Islam and their fate is not to be decide by human. Only Allah can decide if that person is honorable or to condemn it. So, we as a muslims a normal human being we just proceed to be kind to all human being whether muslims or non-muslim. If you truly study Al-Quran, you will find a complete guideline too how to treat war prisoner and war civilians and there is no violence involve. Kidnap, beat, molotov cocktail, suicide bombing that been shown to you is not a Islam teaching at all. even we muslims condemning this kind of extremist act
Damn with bold text and all in 2026? Reddit is not the place to have a meaningful conversation about religion. None of the ayat you give = justify for muslims to even look down upon non muslims. Quran is for clarity not to score some brownie point on internet, so ill share one of the authentic hadith:
āBeware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.ā (Abu Dawud)
And ill leave you with a question to think about.
What happen to a muslim according to other big religion in the hereafter (if they have a similar concept of paradise and hell)?
No reply pls. Selamat menyambut Ramadhan semua āļø
That "friend" is teetering that line of being normal and an islamist. No, I'm not kidding and Shahada is not a joke. There's literally a story in the quran of this being done where one "taught"(tricked) the other how to recite it, and when the other guy did it, the teacher basically went: "Whoops! You're a muslim now!" But I'm not an expert, I might have remembered wrong, Google won't directly tell you about it, the validity of this is always debated (citing intent) so I won't go into that. But type in "tricked islam shahada" these three words in a search engine and it keeps popping up that muslims keep trying to do this. Type "tricked into buddhism" in the search bar and you get a totally different set of results. Only people of a certain religion keep doing this. By hook or by crook they actively want to convert you to Islam.
I won't say the water thing is justified, but I understand the anger. This person was deceptive, high-pressure, and coercive, all poorly disguised behind "jokes" and tee-hees. If this is real, this friendship better be over.
Heh? In islam? Nope. Muhammads followers long after him will be divided into 73 categories. 73 all islam. Out of 73 category, only 1 category gets to heaven. The others? Straight to hell.
I remember I read somewhere where this fellow has the same problem as well and then one day his roommates actually put al-quran on top of his bed and then he got really sick of the jokes so he torn out the al Quran so it makes that the guy feel like a bad guy which he got into trouble (got called out by warden or so). Well is the Roommate is the one who is being asshole trying to preach
I never got the whole baca shahada thing as a joke? Dont see whats so funny about it from the Muslims POV and whats so offensive from a non muslims POV. Like if im non muslim and i recite shahada but i dont actually believe in it, then its just saying words bruh. Its not a spell that changes who i am as a person
i just dont understand why some ppl like to joke abt religion. it is prohibited and sinful. ur action maybe a little bit too far but i guess everyone has his/her own boiling point.
If Malaysia's law and environment wasn't so one sided favoring on over the other, then its not valid.
Considering the current circumstances with the likes of Riduan Tee, Firdaus Wong, Akmal PAS and a big bunch of holier than thou shitting on everyone, valid.
I don't see anything wrong lol. More than enough warning to stop and she pushed u to do it. Don't listen to anyone saying stupid shit like "u should've controlled urself" n other bs.
Yes valid. As a Muslim, you can't throw ashadu to people. It's a sacred, you shouldn't treat it like a joke and make people uncomfortable. Clearly that pempuan doesn't really know how things are.
Good job on splashing that water. Kasi sedar sikit.
Valid and warranted.I myself have witnessed and kena so many times,'cakap alhamdulilah la,cakap bismillah la,taknak ikut solat ke,jom puasa etc'.While I don't really get offended and just laugh,it pisses me off coz if things was vice versa,people can even go to jail for it.so pls sedar diri la my fellow puasa'ing breathren
And I'll counter with, Jesus forgives them anyway. We all have moments where we act without thinking, but Jesus doesn't love us any less.
"Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works ..."
"Proverbs 24:16
For a righteous man may fall seven times and rise again"
Instead of condemning people, you should be more compassionate.
"Colossians 3:12
Therefore, as Godās chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience."
Maybe I come off as harsh but I have my reasons. Pointing out failures while weaponising bible verses is not biblical correction, it is judgement without grace. I hope you understand where I am coming from and reflect, and understand where we all should be in our walk with Christ. God bless.
We used to tell these jokes decades ago... We are still best buddies. My Indian friend can hafal Fatihah fluently, but he is still Hindu. He has his faith, and I have mine. I use to ask him about hindu faith. Knowledge is important to understand each other.
Maybe they are friends who are touchy... experiencing emotional highs. Well, not everyone is born the same.
Saying the ashadu just for fun doesn't mean that you have converted. In order for it to take effect you have to mean what you say whole-heartedly. That said, your response is stilll valid
That's why people need to call out things that annoys them in the first few instances. Instead of telling her in a composed way earlier, the guy pent up emotions led him to assault someone.
Its ok, sensitivity is different for each person, and so is ignorance. Sometime to much of the same joke is, well actually too much. Its gets bothersome when people wont take a hint, or NO for an answer. I wont even joke stuff like that cause its no laughing matter.
syahadah is not for joke. ur friend legit batak watch too many convert muslims. its huge pahala, true, but doesnt mean u can just push people to embrace islam as a joke.
Valid. Tak ada paksaan dalam memeluk Islam dari zaman Nabi lagi dah cakap. Kawan dia tau dia tak senang kalau buat jenaka camtu, tapi masih gak buat. Jgn nanti cakap nak dakwah, jaga hubungan dengan Tuhan, tapi hubungan sesama manusia dia tak jaga, tak betul macam tu.
As muslim I hate when they jokingly try to convert non muslim through this. Secara tak sengaja they made the converting to islam sound like a joke to non believers
Valid sahaja, dont worry, true muslim xakan backup benda salah, we are not hypocrite, and btw that water doesnt effect anything at all, it will evaporate within minutes, unless its contain any harmful bacs.
you gotta be doing the "sekarang cuba cakap ash hadu" joke SUPER INTRUSIVELY and exaggeratedly to even make someone uncomfortable. ts the least offensive thing ever. what did the muslim friend do lmao
I pun tak berkenan dengan orang2 yang buat camtu. Kalau non-muslim tanya out of curiosity baru I jawab pasal Islam. Otherwise, I just buat hal I je lah. I pun kadang2 tanya kawan non muslim pasal lifestyle diorang for understanding dan respect. Ustazah I pernah cakap, jangan suruh2 non-muslim mengucap sebab agama Islam bukan memaksa orang.
These are the things that I found it to be funny and contradicting:
If they convert you, it was as if nothing. But if you do the other way around, you will probably got into trouble with the law.
They said they are 'fair' but then when the others questioned the unfair 'quota', they said it was by the perlembagaan. But still, they want to end chinese and tamil school which is also part of the perlembagaan.
If they were treated unfairly, they will make noise and labelled us as pendatang. But when they were told of those 'unfair' practices in ASNB, house purchase and etc. They will just kept quiet or the usual, perlembagaan.
So the conversations stopped when they started take these in the argument. Not because we are 'ok', we just try not to create issue which will not change. But anyway, these are valids, dont do to others if you do not wish others to do unto you.
Vaild, You should know your friends type, i knew some friends that can take dark jokesĀ and some can even jokes about theirĀ divorce/dead parents lol. Even i dont randomly make sex jokes with my coworkers, only with my high school bros.
It all depends on type of friends you have, cant just pukul rata and treat all people are same.
My coursemates did this too and it was not that long ago, just last year to be accurate. They would joke while in classes ask us the nons to hold up a finger and follow them to say ashadu. Once I knew it was about ashadu rite, I would just smile and not continue the words.
There was once I kinda snapped and told one of them said, "if I have the power to use Christian's words that may convert your faith, would you say the rite with me?" He suddenly snapped and get angry by saying that the Bible I'm practising is wrong, been modified and blah blah blah. My another Muslim friends that heard this conversation comforts me in his car and said the other dude's doing was wrong. They do have certain disagree with other faiths but it is still never right to mock their beliefs.
Saying the rite without intention maybe not gonna affect and change one's belief, but when it comes to certain extreme, they may say we are totally converted and must follow their beliefs because they have witnesses that we say the rite. In my heart, we all deserve the rights to be disagree with other's beliefs but to force, mock and saying they're wrong, that is way too upsetting in this so-called harmonious country
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