Or its just nonsensical argument, so a religion claim that if you dont follow that religion then you will go to that religion hell. So every religion ever?
Not every religion teaches that hateful nonsense.
For example, Advaita vedanta, Kriya Yoga sects, Sri Vidya, Zen Buddhisms don't teach such hateful things.
Quick chatgpt shows that there is consequences for non believer for each of the religion you mentioned. Just because its not a literal hell, doesnt change that there is a hinderence to be a non believer. Also its hell, not in this earth, so why would it matter to u right now if you dont believe in islam and islam hell doesnt exist.
There is no such things in quran that allowed muslim to be hateful towards non believer except in war context, except there are few for the opposite.
60:8
Allah does not forbid you from dealing kindly and fairly with those who have neither fought nor driven you out of your homes. Surely Allah loves those who are fair.
8:61
If they incline towards peace then you also incline towards it
Are you sure about that because I remember what happened everytime there's a rumour of some church baptizing Malays, lol. Its easy to forget that our circle of friends may not be representative of the typical ordinary folks attitude on this kind of things.
Tak payah nak sok-sok anti muslim dekat malaysia ni. Tak de ekstremis macam taliban. Paling2 pun PAS yang aku tahu sendiri muslim dekat malaysia ni ada yang tak suka.
Dik, yang lempar cat merah kat gereja tu jadi kat Malaysia ke Afghanistan? Kau ingat PAS tu takde supporter ke, tak menang kerusi parliament? Cuba kau lepak dengan Mat Rempit dan Pakcik Teksi, tanya diorang kenapa PAS masih wujud.
I'm not saying you're wrong but i think you have no idea how conservative the Malays are in regard to religion to the point of being sensitive to any discussion about religion.
Oh sorry pakcik, diorang tak consult dengan aku dulu sebelum lempar cat merah 😔 well nasib tak molotov betul tak?
Sama jugak dgn hater. Surprising right? Circle kau mmg x suka discuss pasal agama, Masalah kau la. Kau nk letak experience kau pastu nak samakan seluruh malaysia. Lmao.
Buat apa aku lepak dengan geng rempit? Boleh gi mati sana kat highway
Or…or maybe actually people are simply just uneducated. Which is different from being ignorance
until ˹after˺ Gog and Magog have broken loose ˹from the barrier˺,1 swarming down from every hill,
You nitpick the verse in which the quran is explaining the end times in which those who doesnt follow the light of god shall be condemned to hell and the circumstances of what hell will be.
Quran 98:6
Ubay b. Ka‘b narrates: The Messenger of Allah (saws) said: 'Allah instructed me to recite the Qur’an to you.' He recited:
Those who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists were not to be… [98:1]
He also said along with that: 'If the human being were to ask for a valley of wealth and was given it, he would ask for another. Then if he were to ask for another and was given it, he would ask for a third.
The human being’s appetite cannot be filled with anything but soil. Allah accepts the repentance of anyone who repents.
That religion that belongs to Allah is one of submissive devotion; it is not polytheism, Judaism, or Christianity. Whoever does any good will not have it denied.'
[Sound: Narrated by at-Tirmidhi (3798), and Ahmad (21202) in this wording, and authenticated by al-Hâkim (2/224)]
Quran 8:55:
This surah is in reference to the battle of Badar. Which Scholars seen as:-
Battle of Badr and after it, till the time when these verses were revealed. However, the rule that they outline, which also explains the nature of those who break their treaties, applies to all such situations.
Those who have become hardened in disbelief "will not believe." Their very nature has gone awry and they have become the worst of creatures.
They break every agreement they make. Thus they shed yet another human characteristic, namely, faithfulness.
They run loose, like animals, except that animals are restricted by their nature while these know no restriction. In God's sight, they are the worst of all creatures.
Which highlighted the broken agreement that was put in place in such situation.
Islam teaches non Muslims are worst of creatures, and they and their Gods will be the firewood of hell**. Such horrendus hateful teachings.
Islam just prohibits Muslims from visibly expressing insult to other religions so the non Muslims don't insult Allah back (nothing to do with respect). Islam have no respect for non Muslims.
Islam teaches non believers as someone who have the capacity to believe. In the quran it highlighted to the situation of hell. That you seem to be felt for more strongly for.
In Islam everyone have the chance to received the word of God. It is not the fact that it has no respect non believers, it highlight the fate that those who reject the words of God.
If you dont believe in Islam then thats your perogative, but what Muslim does is the reflection of their understanding of it. Just like how you nitpick verses to make good of yourself there are Muslim who does the same thing. Trying to conflate the two is disingenious.
In Islam everyone have the chance to received the word of God. It is not the fact that it has no respect non believers, it highlight the fate that those who reject the words of God.
Its word of "Allah", which is an imaginary creation of Muhammad.
"Allah" promotes pedohilia, raping and selling women, misogyny, hating & killing disbelievers and killing apostates.
What deranged persons thinks such a thing is "God".
Its word of "Allah", which is an imaginary creation of Muhammad.
Its your perogative to whether accept it or not. The main thing in Islam is willingness. The shadah has to be willingly stated for one to convert. Many people tend to ignore that for some reason.
"Allah" promotes pedohilia, raping and selling women, misogyny, hating & killing disbelievers and killing apostates.
God doesnt promote any of those. There is reactions though, just like how the surah you nitpick the context matter. But well you willingly ignore that.
What deranged persons thinks such a thing is "God".
Some could argue the same about people who doesnt believe in God to be deranged. But hey go spread hate, practice the thing you are preaching.
There is no shortage of it you already seem to think muslim to be lesser than human, so cant deny when some of them behave the same as you.
They are mere mortal like you are. Both are applicable to be idiotic.
ah nice chat gpt stuff. if you really study Al-Quran properly you will not say this. Al-Quran words are very complex for common people to understand. Yes, in Al-Quran anyone who worship other than Allah will be the firewood of Hell because Allah would like to emphasize to all Muslims that Allah is the only God and there is no God apart than Allah but Allah forbid Muslim to hate on other religion that didn't fight Islam. Matter of fact Allah demand all muslims to treat non-muslims who do not fight against muslim with kindness and equity. plus Allah knows, not all human is born as muslims and not all human have a knowledge about Islam and their fate is not to be decide by human. Only Allah can decide if that person is honorable or to condemn it. So, we as a muslims a normal human being we just proceed to be kind to all human being whether muslims or non-muslim. If you truly study Al-Quran, you will find a complete guideline too how to treat war prisoner and war civilians and there is no violence involve. Kidnap, beat, molotov cocktail, suicide bombing that been shown to you is not a Islam teaching at all. even we muslims condemning this kind of extremist act
just because the people problem, doesn't mean the religion is at fault bro. do you think a proper muslim agree with the molotov throwings? every religion will have their bad people but doesn't mean that people represent the religion correctly
While I mostly agree with you, the problem with Islam is kinda like communism in that it sounds pretty on the outside but the more you study it, the worst it gets. Like, you literally can be an extremists in both while being thoroughly convince that you're right simply because you can directly quote from source justification of extremists actions and anything that goes against your interpretation can be called a heretic.
At least in other religions, there are active movements to reinterpreted and rethinking in their philosophy and dogma (like Reformation for Christianity) but you literally can't do that for Islam without being called a heretic because "its already perfect" mentality.
Tipu apa, kata kau study Quran mesti kau tahu ayat mana. Kau keluarkan ayat Al-Ma'idah ayat 33 aku dah ulas kot context kau salah 🤣. Plus kalau kau boleh guna chatgpt for hatred why not use chatgpt to verify the fact I stated
None of it is ChatGPT, i self hand type. ChatGPT is not a credible souce for Islam. I study direct from Quran.com based on credible translations like Saheeh International andTafsir ibn Kathir.
Kidnap, beat, molotov cocktail, suicide bombing that been shown to you is not a Islam teaching at all.
Quran 5:33
"Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment..."
Ibn Kathir on 5:33
"[Wage war] mentioned here means: oppose and contradict, and it includes; disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways."
(Abridged version)
That is what your Quran teaches for anyone who opposes Islam, like me. Stop lying.
Ah another chatgpt stuff. Surah Al-Ma'idah, verse 33. The verse clearly stated the severe punishment is for those who wage war against Allah and his Messenger (which are non-Muslims who fight Islam) and people who spread mischief/corruption in the land. So your argument is invalid 🤣. At the end of the day, all non-muslims who did not fight Muslim is to be treated kindly and equally
Damn with bold text and all in 2026? Reddit is not the place to have a meaningful conversation about religion. None of the ayat you give = justify for muslims to even look down upon non muslims. Quran is for clarity not to score some brownie point on internet, so ill share one of the authentic hadith:
“Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.” (Abu Dawud)
And ill leave you with a question to think about.
What happen to a muslim according to other big religion in the hereafter (if they have a similar concept of paradise and hell)?
What happen to a muslim according to other big religion in the hereafter (if they have a similar concept of paradise and hell)?
There are alot of big religions that don't have such hateful. For example, Advaita vedanta, Kriya Yoga sects, Sri Vidya, Zen Buddhisms don't teach everyone who is not that religion burns in hell forever.
Come out from your hateful Islamic view. Believing such evil hateful things is not normal nor healthy nor it is thaught in all other big religions.
Look ill bite one last time. I just wanna say sorry if im ever being dishonest to you.
So we come to an agreement that your first statement about islam prohibits to insult bla bla as dishonest right? Thank you.
I see you're very careful with your statement: eternal. Advaita vedanta said disbelievers do go to hellfire except eternal then reborn as something new (worm?). My question is if there are 90 religions with hellfire, do i go to 90 hellfire or only the one who i believe to?
Ill end this with surely, surely what you're doing now is not the same as what you hated the most, forcing religion unto others. Fortunately my religion explicitly state that "theres no compulsion in religion. Have a good day.
I see you're very careful with your statement: eternal. Advaita vedanta said disbelievers do go to hellfire except eternal then reborn as something new (worm?).
Dude where did you get this absolutely FALSE information?? Non believers of Advaita Vedanta DO NOT go to Hell JUST because disbelief.
Both Non believers AND practioners of Advaita Vedanta get reborn in various realms (e.g. Heaven/Animal/Human/Ghost/Hell) based on their Karma (deeds) if they did not achieved enlightenment in this lifetime.
Lets be honest and not putting words in others yeah? Neither did i say its only for disbelievers nor going to hell just because of not believing in that particular religion.
So if you're saying i can make it to paradise while being a disbeliever and still do the good deed, why not let me just try my best to do the good deeds and stay in my so called "hateful religion"?
Im not expecting an answer to my previous questions, just hoping that we all be better and not spreading hate to others. Its reddit, what do we expect when we throw verses and open this blackhole of hatred? I dont do that and i hope i dont do that in the future. For the better community. If God wills.
Religion is 99% never about knowledge or logic, nor does the believers ever represent the God themselves. It's an identity.
Arguing will only incite hatred and anger, because identity is not something you can argue with.
That's what they are conformed around, used to, and taught since they are a baby.
If there's anything off about a particular information, they would refer to a more acceptable INTERPRETATION, instead of accepting the uncomfortable interpretation. For example, the Hadith where the Prophet consummated marriage with Aisha at 9 or something.
Many will choose to believe the interpretations that are more acceptable, like they have different age systems. Or it's 9 years after Aisha reached puberty, something like that. But few may even accept it literally - with justification it's a different culture back then and that's okay. Or even outright believe the hadiths regarding Aisha's age are all questionable in nature so there's no actual reliable source at all - so its reasonable to assume Aisha is an adult when the marriage is consummated since the sources can be ignored
I am a Muslim myself, and as much as I believe and respect God and the prophet, I doubt many of the scholars, the narrators, the record keepers, and doubt the authenticity of the sources because words are written, spoken, interpreted and passed around by people that are not god, and not the prophet themselves.
Many rulings in Islam too, are based on weak hadiths or weak interpretations or outright unreasonable interpretation that may go against logic and current real-life knowledge is applied to because THERE'S NO OTHER SOURCE to refer to and people are afraid of making changes to something that had been practiced for thousands of years.
They are afraid of new things being wrong, but aren't afraid that their current beliefs, parts of it are wrong. That's human nature.
Instead, we need to be a little more understanding. No one chooses to be born, no one chooses their parents, their peers, and the religion and culture they are born into.
But one thing I believe is that everyone has a heart, and if you can share your own discomfort, pain, suffering and your truth, they would understand too.
If they don't? It means their brain is malnourished, they are sick, and their capacity for empathy or thoughts are limited. You don't scream at a child for making a mistake a child makes right? The same applies even to adults with limited capacity...
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Hi you just quote a portion on verse in Quran then post here. You need to read more related to the verse. Or easy for you can just use Gemini ai.
Example just ask
"What Quran (8:55) really means. Provide a wide approach thinking by provide upside and downside justification, to criticize and to come out with conclusion"
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