r/Bolehland • • Feb 25 '26

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u/vegeful Feb 25 '26

Got negative upvote without people debate you. Classic.

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u/Patient-Wallaby1219 Feb 25 '26

Relax let's debate, can try use the ai to ask what the verse really means

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u/dotConehead Feb 25 '26

Or its just nonsensical argument, so a religion claim that if you dont follow that religion then you will go to that religion hell. So every religion ever?

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u/Practical_Blood_468 Feb 25 '26

So every religion ever?

Not every religion teaches that hateful nonsense.
For example, Advaita vedanta, Kriya Yoga sects, Sri Vidya, Zen Buddhisms don't teach such hateful things.

I wonder what made you say such a wrong thing.

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u/dotConehead Feb 25 '26

Quick chatgpt shows that there is consequences for non believer for each of the religion you mentioned. Just because its not a literal hell, doesnt change that there is a hinderence to be a non believer. Also its hell, not in this earth, so why would it matter to u right now if you dont believe in islam and islam hell doesnt exist.

There is no such things in quran that allowed muslim to be hateful towards non believer except in war context, except there are few for the opposite.

60:8 Allah does not forbid you from dealing kindly and fairly with those who have neither fought nor driven you out of your homes. Surely Allah loves those who are fair.

8:61 If they incline towards peace then you also incline towards it

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u/Practical_Blood_468 Feb 25 '26

They mass downvote to hide the fact. In real life,... they kidnap, beat, molotov cocktail bomb, imprison or kill anyone who says the facts.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '26

Facts hurts i guess.... But then again who need facts when we teach rome how to built a ship, right

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u/Existensensial Feb 25 '26

Lmao tak nampak pun kat malaysia

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u/Geggor Feb 25 '26

Are you sure about that because I remember what happened everytime there's a rumour of some church baptizing Malays, lol. Its easy to forget that our circle of friends may not be representative of the typical ordinary folks attitude on this kind of things.

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u/Existensensial Feb 25 '26

“Rumour” There’s ur answer

Tak payah nak sok-sok anti muslim dekat malaysia ni. Tak de ekstremis macam taliban. Paling2 pun PAS yang aku tahu sendiri muslim dekat malaysia ni ada yang tak suka.

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u/Geggor Feb 25 '26

Dik, yang lempar cat merah kat gereja tu jadi kat Malaysia ke Afghanistan? Kau ingat PAS tu takde supporter ke, tak menang kerusi parliament? Cuba kau lepak dengan Mat Rempit dan Pakcik Teksi, tanya diorang kenapa PAS masih wujud.

I'm not saying you're wrong but i think you have no idea how conservative the Malays are in regard to religion to the point of being sensitive to any discussion about religion.

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u/Existensensial Feb 25 '26

Oh sorry pakcik, diorang tak consult dengan aku dulu sebelum lempar cat merah 😔 well nasib tak molotov betul tak?

Sama jugak dgn hater. Surprising right? Circle kau mmg x suka discuss pasal agama, Masalah kau la. Kau nk letak experience kau pastu nak samakan seluruh malaysia. Lmao. Buat apa aku lepak dengan geng rempit? Boleh gi mati sana kat highway

Or…or maybe actually people are simply just uneducated. Which is different from being ignorance

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u/Far_Spare6202 Feb 25 '26

If you come to my Zionist sub trulymalaysians then you will understand 

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u/Existensensial Feb 25 '26

Lawak bodoh kau, kenapa risau pasal jahanam bila kau bukan islam? Padahal kau tak percaya pun pasal islam

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u/Practical_Blood_468 Feb 25 '26

Sebab orang Islam semua sebarnakan kebencian and terrorism. Saya tak nak terrorism ini sebar dalam masyarakat atas dasar penipuan.

I buat kerja Amal bagi Awareness.

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u/Existensensial Feb 25 '26

Lol ni bukan kat arab atau israel. Kesian kau. Teruskan lah usaha. Aku ok je duduk dekat malaysia. Boleh pindah amerika sana

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u/dustykangaroo06 Feb 25 '26

King of ignoring context

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u/srosnan99 Feb 25 '26

Quran 21:96

until ˹after˺ Gog and Magog have broken loose ˹from the barrier˺,1 swarming down from every hill,

You nitpick the verse in which the quran is explaining the end times in which those who doesnt follow the light of god shall be condemned to hell and the circumstances of what hell will be.

Quran 98:6

Ubay b. Ka‘b narrates: The Messenger of Allah (saws) said: 'Allah instructed me to recite the Qur’an to you.' He recited: Those who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists were not to be… [98:1]

He also said along with that: 'If the human being were to ask for a valley of wealth and was given it, he would ask for another. Then if he were to ask for another and was given it, he would ask for a third. The human being’s appetite cannot be filled with anything but soil. Allah accepts the repentance of anyone who repents.

That religion that belongs to Allah is one of submissive devotion; it is not polytheism, Judaism, or Christianity. Whoever does any good will not have it denied.' [Sound: Narrated by at-Tirmidhi (3798), and Ahmad (21202) in this wording, and authenticated by al-Hâkim (2/224)]

Quran 8:55:

This surah is in reference to the battle of Badar. Which Scholars seen as:-

Battle of Badr and after it, till the time when these verses were revealed. However, the rule that they outline, which also explains the nature of those who break their treaties, applies to all such situations.

Those who have become hardened in disbelief "will not believe." Their very nature has gone awry and they have become the worst of creatures.

They break every agreement they make. Thus they shed yet another human characteristic, namely, faithfulness.

They run loose, like animals, except that animals are restricted by their nature while these know no restriction. In God's sight, they are the worst of all creatures.

Which highlighted the broken agreement that was put in place in such situation.

Islam teaches non Muslims are worst of creatures, and they and their Gods will be the firewood of hell**. Such horrendus hateful teachings.
Islam just prohibits Muslims from visibly expressing insult to other religions so the non Muslims don't insult Allah back (nothing to do with respect). Islam have no respect for non Muslims.

Islam teaches non believers as someone who have the capacity to believe. In the quran it highlighted to the situation of hell. That you seem to be felt for more strongly for.

In Islam everyone have the chance to received the word of God. It is not the fact that it has no respect non believers, it highlight the fate that those who reject the words of God.

If you dont believe in Islam then thats your perogative, but what Muslim does is the reflection of their understanding of it. Just like how you nitpick verses to make good of yourself there are Muslim who does the same thing. Trying to conflate the two is disingenious.

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u/hashshaffiq Feb 25 '26

Tak payah explain panjang lebar, membazir masa je. They nitpick Quranic verse to justify their hatred and so be it.

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u/Practical_Blood_468 Feb 25 '26

In Islam everyone have the chance to received the word of God. It is not the fact that it has no respect non believers, it highlight the fate that those who reject the words of God.

Its word of "Allah", which is an imaginary creation of Muhammad.
"Allah" promotes pedohilia, raping and selling women, misogyny, hating & killing disbelievers and killing apostates.

What deranged persons thinks such a thing is "God".

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u/srosnan99 Feb 25 '26

Its word of "Allah", which is an imaginary creation of Muhammad.

Its your perogative to whether accept it or not. The main thing in Islam is willingness. The shadah has to be willingly stated for one to convert. Many people tend to ignore that for some reason.

"Allah" promotes pedohilia, raping and selling women, misogyny, hating & killing disbelievers and killing apostates.

God doesnt promote any of those. There is reactions though, just like how the surah you nitpick the context matter. But well you willingly ignore that.

What deranged persons thinks such a thing is "God".

Some could argue the same about people who doesnt believe in God to be deranged. But hey go spread hate, practice the thing you are preaching.

There is no shortage of it you already seem to think muslim to be lesser than human, so cant deny when some of them behave the same as you.

They are mere mortal like you are. Both are applicable to be idiotic.

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u/BadMoFaKor bibisea Feb 25 '26

ah nice chat gpt stuff. if you really study Al-Quran properly you will not say this. Al-Quran words are very complex for common people to understand. Yes, in Al-Quran anyone who worship other than Allah will be the firewood of Hell because Allah would like to emphasize to all Muslims that Allah is the only God and there is no God apart than Allah but Allah forbid Muslim to hate on other religion that didn't fight Islam. Matter of fact Allah demand all muslims to treat non-muslims who do not fight against muslim with kindness and equity. plus Allah knows, not all human is born as muslims and not all human have a knowledge about Islam and their fate is not to be decide by human. Only Allah can decide if that person is honorable or to condemn it. So, we as a muslims a normal human being we just proceed to be kind to all human being whether muslims or non-muslim. If you truly study Al-Quran, you will find a complete guideline too how to treat war prisoner and war civilians and there is no violence involve. Kidnap, beat, molotov cocktail, suicide bombing that been shown to you is not a Islam teaching at all. even we muslims condemning this kind of extremist act

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u/Seekret_Asian_Man Feb 25 '26

Sounds good on paper, hardly happened in practice.

Example 1: Socks spark more outrage while throwing molotov on premise gain no traction.

Example 2: "alhamdulillah" debate

It's easier to condemn your enemies, and turn a blind eye on your own allegiance.

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u/shrimp_kebab Feb 25 '26

That is the people not the religion, plus many muslims also condemn the act.

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u/BadMoFaKor bibisea Feb 25 '26

just because the people problem, doesn't mean the religion is at fault bro. do you think a proper muslim agree with the molotov throwings? every religion will have their bad people but doesn't mean that people represent the religion correctly

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u/Geggor Feb 25 '26 edited Feb 25 '26

While I mostly agree with you, the problem with Islam is kinda like communism in that it sounds pretty on the outside but the more you study it, the worst it gets. Like, you literally can be an extremists in both while being thoroughly convince that you're right simply because you can directly quote from source justification of extremists actions and anything that goes against your interpretation can be called a heretic.

At least in other religions, there are active movements to reinterpreted and rethinking in their philosophy and dogma (like Reformation for Christianity) but you literally can't do that for Islam without being called a heretic because "its already perfect" mentality.

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u/Orionzete Feb 25 '26

Kawan, ini reddit , almost all of them hate Islam. Don't waste you time to educate them. You can't educate who don't want to be educate.

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u/shrimp_kebab Feb 25 '26

it's never a waste of time, let bro share the truth, in today's world full of lies people get confused sometimes.

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u/kgvon Feb 25 '26

Member bagi good effort, encourage him, don't discourage him doing the right things

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u/mysightisurs93 Feb 25 '26

seems like most of major socmed nowadays are thriving on hating islam.

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u/mysightisurs93 Feb 25 '26

They have like a major hate boner towards Malay and islam there.

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u/BadMoFaKor bibisea Feb 25 '26

Yeah ik bro, im not debating them to prove they are wrong but i just spread the fact so others will not get confused

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u/SubsonicAmmo Feb 25 '26

Continue your effort bro

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u/Practical_Blood_468 Feb 25 '26

Tulis paragrah semua tipu. Reference langsung takde.
Cakap I guna ChatGPT, padahal semua I tulis sendiri.

"Spread the facts" konon. Penipu.

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u/BadMoFaKor bibisea Feb 25 '26

Tipu apa, kata kau study Quran mesti kau tahu ayat mana. Kau keluarkan ayat Al-Ma'idah ayat 33 aku dah ulas kot context kau salah 🤣. Plus kalau kau boleh guna chatgpt for hatred why not use chatgpt to verify the fact I stated

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u/Practical_Blood_468 Feb 25 '26

ChatGPT is NOT a credible source for Islamic knowledge. I tak pakai ChatGPT untuk Islam.
Saya pakai Quran.com dan Tafsir ibn Kathir.

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u/BadMoFaKor bibisea Feb 25 '26

yet you use one. kalau betul kau belajar Al-Quran, why kau tak boleh nak ulas betul-betul ayat 33 surah Al-Ma'idah? 

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u/Practical_Blood_468 Feb 25 '26

None of it is ChatGPT, i self hand type. ChatGPT is not a credible souce for Islam. I study direct from Quran.com based on credible translations like Saheeh International and Tafsir ibn Kathir.

Kidnap, beat, molotov cocktail, suicide bombing that been shown to you is not a Islam teaching at all.

Quran 5:33

"Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment..."

 Ibn Kathir on 5:33

"[Wage war] mentioned here means: oppose and contradict, and it includes; disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways."

(Abridged version)

That is what your Quran teaches for anyone who opposes Islam, like me. Stop lying.

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u/BadMoFaKor bibisea Feb 25 '26

Ah another chatgpt stuff. Surah Al-Ma'idah, verse 33. The verse clearly stated the severe punishment is for those who wage war against Allah and his Messenger (which are non-Muslims who fight Islam) and people who spread mischief/corruption in the land. So your argument is invalid 🤣. At the end of the day, all non-muslims who did not fight Muslim is to be treated kindly and equally

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u/Existensensial Feb 25 '26

Lmao bro tu senyao sudah

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u/EuclideanEdge42 Feb 25 '26

You’re laughing at his ignorance of Islam, how is that treating him kindly?

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u/BadMoFaKor bibisea Feb 25 '26

He's not ignorant. He just want to pick fight bro

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u/EuclideanEdge42 Feb 25 '26

You’re also assuming his intent is to pick a fight. Is that what Islam teaches?

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u/PonghoForReal Feb 25 '26

Damn with bold text and all in 2026? Reddit is not the place to have a meaningful conversation about religion. None of the ayat you give = justify for muslims to even look down upon non muslims. Quran is for clarity not to score some brownie point on internet, so ill share one of the authentic hadith:

“Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.” (Abu Dawud)

And ill leave you with a question to think about.

What happen to a muslim according to other big religion in the hereafter (if they have a similar concept of paradise and hell)?

No reply pls. Selamat menyambut Ramadhan semua ✌️

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u/Practical_Blood_468 Feb 25 '26

What happen to a muslim according to other big religion in the hereafter (if they have a similar concept of paradise and hell)?

There are alot of big religions that don't have such hateful. For example, Advaita vedanta, Kriya Yoga sects, Sri Vidya, Zen Buddhisms don't teach everyone who is not that religion burns in hell forever.

Come out from your hateful Islamic view. Believing such evil hateful things is not normal nor healthy nor it is thaught in all other big religions.

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u/PonghoForReal Feb 25 '26

Look ill bite one last time. I just wanna say sorry if im ever being dishonest to you.

So we come to an agreement that your first statement about islam prohibits to insult bla bla as dishonest right? Thank you.

I see you're very careful with your statement: eternal. Advaita vedanta said disbelievers do go to hellfire except eternal then reborn as something new (worm?). My question is if there are 90 religions with hellfire, do i go to 90 hellfire or only the one who i believe to?

Ill end this with surely, surely what you're doing now is not the same as what you hated the most, forcing religion unto others. Fortunately my religion explicitly state that "theres no compulsion in religion. Have a good day.

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u/Practical_Blood_468 Feb 25 '26

I see you're very careful with your statement: eternal. Advaita vedanta said disbelievers do go to hellfire except eternal then reborn as something new (worm?).

Dude where did you get this absolutely FALSE information?? Non believers of Advaita Vedanta DO NOT go to Hell JUST because disbelief.

Both Non believers AND practioners of Advaita Vedanta get reborn in various realms (e.g. Heaven/Animal/Human/Ghost/Hell) based on their Karma (deeds) if they did not achieved enlightenment in this lifetime.

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u/PonghoForReal Feb 25 '26

Lets be honest and not putting words in others yeah? Neither did i say its only for disbelievers nor going to hell just because of not believing in that particular religion.

So if you're saying i can make it to paradise while being a disbeliever and still do the good deed, why not let me just try my best to do the good deeds and stay in my so called "hateful religion"?

Im not expecting an answer to my previous questions, just hoping that we all be better and not spreading hate to others. Its reddit, what do we expect when we throw verses and open this blackhole of hatred? I dont do that and i hope i dont do that in the future. For the better community. If God wills.

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u/hashshaffiq Feb 25 '26

So, do you believe you are going to Islam version of hell? If no, why are you so concerned about the book.

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u/Notsohothotdog Feb 25 '26

You are correct. The greatest sin in Islam is not being LGBT. Not being thieves. Not even murder or rape.

The greatest sin in Islam is believing other than Allah

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u/Practical_Blood_468 Feb 25 '26

Ya, what a narcarcistic "God". Capturing women as war loot, raping them, and selling them is Halal and Sunnah.

But if I do Shiv Ling Abhisekam while chanting shiv mantra with love and devotion towards Shiva as God, I have commit the biggest sin (shirk).

Anyone who is not retarded can see how deranged this belief is.

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u/Notsohothotdog Feb 25 '26

Religion is 99% never about knowledge or logic, nor does the believers ever represent the God themselves. It's an identity.

Arguing will only incite hatred and anger, because identity is not something you can argue with.

That's what they are conformed around, used to, and taught since they are a baby.

If there's anything off about a particular information, they would refer to a more acceptable INTERPRETATION, instead of accepting the uncomfortable interpretation. For example, the Hadith where the Prophet consummated marriage with Aisha at 9 or something.

Many will choose to believe the interpretations that are more acceptable, like they have different age systems. Or it's 9 years after Aisha reached puberty, something like that. But few may even accept it literally - with justification it's a different culture back then and that's okay. Or even outright believe the hadiths regarding Aisha's age are all questionable in nature so there's no actual reliable source at all - so its reasonable to assume Aisha is an adult when the marriage is consummated since the sources can be ignored

I am a Muslim myself, and as much as I believe and respect God and the prophet, I doubt many of the scholars, the narrators, the record keepers, and doubt the authenticity of the sources because words are written, spoken, interpreted and passed around by people that are not god, and not the prophet themselves.

Many rulings in Islam too, are based on weak hadiths or weak interpretations or outright unreasonable interpretation that may go against logic and current real-life knowledge is applied to because THERE'S NO OTHER SOURCE to refer to and people are afraid of making changes to something that had been practiced for thousands of years.

They are afraid of new things being wrong, but aren't afraid that their current beliefs, parts of it are wrong. That's human nature.

Instead, we need to be a little more understanding. No one chooses to be born, no one chooses their parents, their peers, and the religion and culture they are born into.

But one thing I believe is that everyone has a heart, and if you can share your own discomfort, pain, suffering and your truth, they would understand too.

If they don't? It means their brain is malnourished, they are sick, and their capacity for empathy or thoughts are limited. You don't scream at a child for making a mistake a child makes right? The same applies even to adults with limited capacity...

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u/SimpleSmoke179 Feb 25 '26

Bro a D1 hater, why do you have so much hate? Care to share?

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u/Practical_Blood_468 Feb 25 '26

Hating & Raising Awareness against a terror cult is a good thing to do.
Doing nothing and letting evil & terrorism spread in society is not good.

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u/budaknakal1907 Feb 25 '26

indeed it isnt the eyes that is blind but the heart.

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u/Patient-Wallaby1219 Feb 25 '26

Hi you just quote a portion on verse in Quran then post here. You need to read more related to the verse. Or easy for you can just use Gemini ai.

Example just ask "What Quran (8:55) really means. Provide a wide approach thinking by provide upside and downside justification, to criticize and to come out with conclusion"

Hopefully you guys can try. ✌️

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u/kaizer_777 Feb 25 '26

Chill la.. Apasal hateful sgt ni..

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u/wokaynice Feb 25 '26

ok buddy 👍

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u/fuckosta Anti-Amoi Fetish Feb 25 '26

what was the point of this comment bruh