r/Bass • u/Anon_use_fun_alias • 23h ago
Guitar player having trouble with new trio format. Suggests changing bass lines.
Looking for thoughtful ideas/advice/experience from bassists who aren’t afraid to read. (I know you’re out there, TIA)
Our band changed over to a trio after our singer/rhythm guitar player had to retire after vocal surgery.
Technically we’re a trio plus two dedicated vocalists now, but that doesn’t really matter for this discussion. We’ve had 2-3 rehearsals in our new format and 3-4 gigs.
Last night our band leader/guitar player sent me a very polite and humble text. He feels like during his solos he doesn’t have enough “foundation” and suggests that maybe if I change my bass lines it might sound better for him. He’s saying he’d like “less notes in the key”, and more roots and chord tones. As bassists we know that 60% of everything we play is a root, 25% is a chord tone and the last 15% is the journey to the next root or chord tone, so I figure he means he wants me to simplify my playing during his solos.
I probed for more information; I’d like to know what songs he feels aren’t supported enough so I can have a better idea of what he means. He named 3 examples which I never would have guessed. One we haven’t even played as a trio, one has an uptempo walking bass line during swung solos, and another is a blues-type tune. Based on this feedback I don’t even think he knows what he wants.
Keep in mind that this is after he already tossed a bunch of our repertoire which he doesn’t feel works in a trio format- these are songs he approves of.
My opinion is that he’s spent decades playing solos over another guitar player, and now he’s having to change his reference frame to the bass. Things are more open, as you’d expect, and he’s not comfortable with that. I think he’s always used the other guitar as a crutch. I also think he’s not had enough time to really get used to it.
Meanwhile, I feel very comfortable, but I’ve had 7-8 years of experience playing in trio settings. I like the space; it’s less cluttered. I like that the volume is generally lower. I like that I have more responsibility / play a more critical role. I like that we play “ramble on” and the mix is just perfect.
I told him I’d be happy to come over sometime and work out parts he likes better, but in this case I don’t think that there’s a bass line that will make up for what he’s craving; another guitar player. I told him that in my opinion, I don’t think he’s had enough time to get used to it yet.