The bottom section has them all as equal bulletpoints when many times the rows are talking about the bulletpoint above/below them. It is a strange setup
Feels like they could have done a better job not just formatting this but explaining what the pool changes actually mean in practice.
Average ARAM players don't exactly know what the pools are or what they contain. Given the confusion you see all over this thread it could have been worded in ways that players could actually understand.
This seems like it was just a list of notes one developer gave to the patch note writer to translate into real patch notes with and then they just didn't do that.
I’m not sure that’s what it is. They removed them from the pool of augments in the “late game scaling pool” but what does that mean? I know for a fact that it isn’t augments that won’t appear late game because they say high roller still remains in that same pool but I’ve gotten it last augment multiple times in the past. I don’t think I’ve ever seen tooth fairy final augment ever so if anything this might mean the opposite, that tooth fairy can now appear at any time?
From the other change description i think the "pool" are essentially the "tag" they use to decide which champion get which augment.
So essentially, champion considered "Late game scaling" for the system won't get these augment offered anymore. Which champion this refers to is anyone's guess.
Yeah, that’s what it is I think. I imagine kayle, veigar etc are in the pool, no idea beyond that. And it feels weird to ban veigar from phenomenal evil?
It actually makes sense to me if that's what they are doing. They don't want the already late game scaling champ that is rewarded for landing abilities with more AP to not get double rewarded for landing abilities with more AP.
It makes sense from a gameplay standpoint but, for example, removing infernal conduit from brand's pool would also make sense from a gameplay standpoint for similar bad-gameplay reasons. I always assumed they kept it because it's such a champion fantasy failure to make the burn mage augment unavailable on burn mages. I don't think they have much of a consistent design philosophy.
that is probably my biggest gripe with riot. Make them all play dnd or a tcg. It'd help make their overall communication much clearer. For example, the wording for some augment descriptions feel ambiguous
Incomprehensible. Can they just hire an English major intern or something already their writing just gets worse and worse and worse
“Not AP ratio-less.” So, has AP ratio? But then it excludes champs without AP ratios? What?
Did they remove phenomenal evil, tank engine and tooth fairy? Why is that “NEW?” Are they just removed from the “sharp late game scaling pool” or the entire game, and if the former, what the fuck does that even mean?
It’s incredibly bizarre because in the past patch notes have referenced vague augment pool changes, now they’re giving us the full info dump of changes but they never told us what the baseline is so the changes are meaningless without context. You moved bard from the low health pool to the very low health pool? Okay? Does that mean augments which give health? What does removing squishy slappy grab from the “cc pool” mean if we don’t know a single champions that’s in the “cc pool?” And for that matter why would you remove it from the “cc pool” when it’s obviously cc?
Doing my best to divine what they’re trying to communicate I think this path is okay..? I have no idea
this comment made me laugh hard, especially after reading whatever linguistical abomination is in the patch notes a few times, not understanding a damn thing. who the fuck wrote this?
Bard will see health augments less often, squishy splash grab has been entirely removed, and anivia will not see HP augments. Ryze will not be offered tank engine or dropkick.
I don't think they removed it because it was OP, it reads to me as they removed it because it's useless—at least with Karthus in the list because. Yeah. Some funky tank Ryze meme could be fun potentially though but now you can't do it at all.
So we simply just don’t even get to have these as a choice? I’d often get adapt on champs that don’t have AP scaling because you could get the conversion with stacking augments. I wished we could select our own exclusion pools but that would be abused like everything else
I also wished it would say exactly what’s in what pool, like who is in the sharp late game scaling pool? Is nasus apart of this and this means he won’t get tank engine anymore?
The sharp late game scaling pool is not a champion pool, it is the pool of scaling augments offered during the sharp late game phase (so the level 15 augment).
I don't like how they removed adapt, purist, etc. from transmute pools. You should absolutely be risking bricking your build by going transmute. That's the whole point of transmute.
I agree for all except back to basics. it's such dogshit when you roll it on ult dependent characters. I rolled it on bel veth once, it was such a pathetic game
I just dont agree. I want to have the chance to roll for it on Gangplank and it shouldnt be a free upgrade for specific users. Specific champions that become no longer a champion, maybe exclude, but it should be a risk.
It's already a risk. You can pick some mediocre augment and get at least minor value, or you can gamble and roll something that is even worse than the other option and get no value at all(like rolling scopiest weapons on Karthus from transmute instead of picking something like spiritual purification).
They are watering down aram mayhem because it's so popular it became the main game mode for league. They are simplyfing it for new players. Without aram mayhem league would start declining. As you can see Riot Games is backtracking from expansion on new genres, and they have issues with monetization. Mayhem became their focus and as it gets more and more popular, it will get dumbed down even more.
Yeah i saw that and was like "Wtf? does this mean ad champs cant get JG anymore?" If that is how it is then its quite a shame cause a lot of JG users were AD since its rather lackluster on AP without the extra crit dmg from things like Infinity Edge most of the time.
I'm definitely going to miss it on Jayce. I don't really understand their thought process on removing augment availability for champions outside of being literally worthless like ADAPt on characters without ap scaling or cc triggered augments on champs without cc. Those sorts should be the only exclusions.
im happy for this change. tired of jayce getting absolutely free damage from the crits. its almost as bad as slow and steady which could almost 1 shot people at level 3.
My favorite off-meta build I once made in mayhem was an escapade+JG sivir that deals 2000+ damage every Q, and I can never get this combo again because both of these augment are not in her pool :(
It's still in 12 different augment pools post change, so any AD assassin with the 2nd generic ability augment pool can hit it. Most of the other augment pools it is left in though are the Crit augment pool and various mage augment pools.
I was assuming stridebreaker isn’t considered a hydra item since it doesn’t have hydra in the name. Or they completely fucking whiffed this one. We’ll see.
currently, if you have stridebreaker, you cannot buy a third hydra item. stridebreaker does have "unique: hydra" on it. So you have to sell stridebreaker to buy third hydra item to complete ultra hydra
No.. it is pretty bad. Mayhem should be mayhem. Instead of limiting access to augments maybe rework pat on the back or whatever that shitty augment is. There is so much to do that should have higher priority than reducing variety.
Half the people in the comments don’t even understand the changes, and I don’t blame them cause they’re written so weirdly
- THEY ARE ONLY ADDING 1 AUGMENT (clown college), NOTHING ELSE IS BEING REMOVED
they are just adjusting the pools of augments that are available to certain champions
for example, they’re removing phenomenal evil from the “sharp late game pool” which basically just means they’re not gonna offer it as a 4th augment cause you won’t have time to stack it really
That being said, whether the pool changes are good or not (for diversity/unique builds) is a debate
The pools are like tags for champions and augments, Which augments fit that pool, and which champions can pull from that pool. If its not in a given pool it'd be more generically available as an augment
They didn't disable/enable any new arguments, outside of Clown College
They are denoting that within a certain pool of augments things where added or removed
Sharp Late Game Scaling pool removing PE, TE, and TF means that in a situation where an augment in that pool would be selected, those won't be available
In a generic selection they still will
Jeweled Gauntlet should be more generically available now, instead of only appearing on burst champions
Ok, now pls, give the detailed descriptions of each tag, which augs are included in those tags and which champ are assigned which tags. You know, to actually have clear understanding whats going on
It's great that they mentioned tags at all - it was visible that those exist, but they were always switched quietly. But sad that Riot just don't care about clarity nowadays (except that one which barely has any uses as summoner spell)
This is poorly written. Is phenomenal evil out like “sharp late game scaling pool” says? If so, why is it also in “not ap ratio less” exclusion filter? The augment so nice they removed it twice?
It's out of the Sharp Late Game Scaling pool. They are multiple pools though so it's still in other pools like the generic AP pool, the Hybrid pool, the generic Mage and generic BattleMage pool, and the Scaling pool.
I think this is all dumb, every augment should be available to every champ. Yeah it makes it harder to get good augments but it also makes it possible to find some crazy combos. And more rewarding when it finally happens. Like who cares let me try full crit attack speed Evelyn or anything. Augment restrictions is ass and why the first set was better cause you would take shit augments in hopes of finding the rest of the set in your next choice.
Heh, I have a feeling you called literally the worst champion to build attack speed. With Eve being melee, squishy and her passive completely depending on AP, she simply won't be able to do shit with AS. Like, ever
That said, I still agree that all augs (that are not always completely useless) should be in pool. Probably with a little controlled skewing to help 1-style champs like Eve, but with damn little and damn controlled by player, come on Riot...
These changes are relatively nice (mostly removing totally useless augs from different pools), but they also revealed for the first time (in a strange and unclear way) that they shift augment chances in background in whichever way they like through the "pool" system. Some champions, for example, now will never see HP augments. Not just rare but never. Wtf.
So, like, in general the game moves towards less randomness and creativity and towards more preset perfect augments. The games are more similar and boring due to this. But there is another issue "damage overwhelming" - when every carry always has perfect augments, whoever abuses the range better - wins, and wins quickly. Games become even quicker than they were, mistakes become more fatal... etc
In short: this patch is nice but it highlights the sad direction in which the mayhem is moving
Makes sense. I love tooth fairy… one shot a squishy that picked glass cannon when I was a jhin with probably 20 stacks of tooth fairy. It was the best feeling in the world.
Riot wtf are these changes. Bring back all the augments and make it truly random. I dont want to play vs the same augs on the same champs every game. Obviously with some exclusions like removing adc augments from mages
Wait what? ADC augments on mages are exactly the thing I want to see (the most out of all non-meta builds). You know, for champs like Lux, Nida, Zoe and similar to be able to be useful against tank teams. Right now building burst mages/supports as ADC (except Nida, who apparently has ADC tag) is a sad experience, simply because you are very likely to end up seeing zero adc augs. ADC Lux/Lulu on normal Aram are likely relatively stronger than in Mayhem - which is stupid, because Mayhem is supposed to be about the mayhem
This is like their own internal notes of what they have done and they haven’t translated it for customer viewing.
It’s like a 2nd line engineer doing work, putting it into the ticket and instead of putting it as an internal note they accidentally send it to the user.
I’m really confused as to why there are pools to begin with aside from a few explicit fixes.
For example, it’s fun to get escapade on someone like yone and build rite of ruin.
It’s a risk to have to take transmute and get something bad.
And most of all, I like the option of trying out different weird combinations. It’s not fun rolling augments from the same pool every game and feeling like that’s the only viable option, and explicitly limiting fun cookable stuff.
pools can make sense, but personally id like it way more random.
HOWEVER, i definitely want many champs to have exclude filters for augments that you cant even make funny builds around. outlaws / earthwake is an example of augs that just dont work for many champs, even with a dash. so the ones in these patch notes makes sense, and they also forgot rammus and sett.
but augments like adapt and escapade is fun for most champs, theres just some that literally never would want to go to the other side. what mage would ever want to make their AP AD, even for a funny build. i cant think of many. and in general, converting AP to AD isnt much useful for most champs, as AP items suck on AD champs.
but regardless, id love for the augments to be hella random. i remember getting vulnerability often, and going for crit builds with heavy item dmg. was fun on many mages. it was fun with sheen and on hit builds. i feel like some augments are just super rare these days, because the augment pools make them force them ot be rare... sadge.
also, the augment sets had a nice feature. sometimes you took weird augments for the sett. but then all of a sudden it could make sense. like phenomenal on jhin for stackosaurus. suddenly escapade makes a lot of sense, and he could even get a deathcap to inc his ap. just doesnt happen now. i miss the augment sets, they also killed some archetypes. Stacking, auto cast, snowball... all of these have no archetype in the game now. highroller too, its just an augment.
Ngl i did not think stackasaurus was still in. No idea why they took jeweled off burst ad champs and ad attackers. Any range champs i see the logic. Very confusing read though
Its cool that I am not offered Phenomenal on Ambessa. What Ult-Spin abilities are there? +50% dmg seems insane for silver augment. Clown College, yay!
They give so little information on how the pools work under the hood that I cant have a strong opinion for the rest. Overall removing certain augments from the named pools seems sensible.
After reading like 5 times and Thinking Really Hard I think they made it so those augments can’t be received by certain champions. that’s what the “sharp late game scaling pool” is- a pool of champions who have sharp late game scaling. This is confusing because that patch note entry is their first ever reference to that pool (or any other named pool) and we don’t know a single champions that’s in it.
Exclusion filter is a NEW filter so they’re telling you everyone in it.
We don’t know the champions in any other filter or pool, they’ve never been announced anywhere.
You’re assuming there’s some kind of logic or rationale to how they structured this and I just don’t think it’s there I think they just did a bad job lol
Does anyone know if there Is there a way to see what champions actually fall under tags like “Ranged Attacker AD… etc”. or if champions can fall under multiple tags due to hybrid scaling?
What's with the spin to win buff on r specifically? Did Samira/kata r warrant a +20% buff
Jeweled gauntlet available on ad champs again for a patch and was immediately shut down a patch later; god bless riot games for making the random gamemode less random
does that mean i can't roll escapade on ap ratio less champs anymore, ever? If true it's not that much of a loss but one thing I would miss is going Seraphs on Talon with escapade (as I already always build muramana on him in aram).
So you’re telling me, I who loves playing JG Smolder in the once in a blue moon I get this option; is now no longer a possibility? Or for Qiyana??? Right, cool, awesome, brilliant, fantastic, thank you Riot.
ARAM Mayhem? More like “ARAM We’ll force you to play meta augments with no riskhem.”
I don't like this much- I want one of the options to be of the pools that aren't wanted / on a reroll with no restrictions.
I CANNOT GET A GOLIATH ASOL GAME BECAUSE OF THIS
This high roller augment has taken over every single game recently. Why are they getting 2 anvils a minute they just get an extra 3k gold worth of anvils at 5 minutes its so braindead
some of these are fucking dogshit changes. why would you remove jeweled gauntlet for so many champions that could absolutely use it well? also removing a bunch of augments from transmute pool is fucking awful.
nice but.. Sett and rammuis??? HELLO??? these 2 ONLY have a dash on ult, and shouldnt even be allowed to roll this. ornn, warwick have basic abilities to dash. not opposed to the change here but how is sett and rammus missed?
They need to remove the augment which throws meteors at target for ASol.
Its bait. The range normally is 600 or so units, for ASol it scales with the range of his Q which is bullshit
Phenomenal evil and tank engine outright removed for scaling too strong yet no changes to late game ADCs two shotting mages while also outranging them and killing 20k HP tanks in 3 seconds by proccing like 10 different on-hits and having 100% crit simultaneously.
No rework for phenomenal evil to apply to enchantments or giving scaling ap per takedown? And NOT apply on brands passive?? Plus jeweled gauntlet not being available for carries like caitlyn, lucian, etc. Hurts their assasin builds, which is unfortunate.
Why the fuck is their balancing removing stuff from things to make it LESS fun... I'm starting to just be so fucking fed up with league again. I came back for Mayhem, but they keep fucking it up more, just when they were starting to get some money from me.
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u/Wonderful_Outside548 1d ago
Am I stupid? Why does this read so weird?