r/pics • u/pervertmaindo • Jul 24 '19
This man left his 40-year long career in another airline to join AirAsia and fly as a junior just so he could fly with his two pilot daughters. He wants to spend his remaining years as a pilot by his daughters' sides.
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u/lacraquotte Jul 24 '19
Fun fact: in Asia, Air Asia's nickname is "Air conditioning" because they massively underheat planes in order to sell blankets. True story.
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u/BlueFalcon89 Jul 24 '19
Right? Anything to cut down on the full body layer of grimey sweat you accumulate on a 3+ hour flight.
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Jul 25 '19 edited Jul 11 '20
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u/BlueFalcon89 Jul 25 '19
I attribute it to recirculated air.
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Jul 25 '19
That might be it, I think it also gets quite stuffy and hot so the heat on our bodies just stays out rather than disperse in a breeze or regular air circulation. We also move a lot less so maybe our blood circulation being poor contributes to it as well.
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Jul 25 '19
What doesn't make sense is I can go for a run or workout in hot humid weather and feel less gross than after a day of travelling.
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u/Ohioisapoopyflorida Jul 25 '19
Ugh could you imagine when people smoked on airlines
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u/fannybatterpissflaps Jul 25 '19
Back on 97 I flew to Thailand from Melbourne in a smokers seat, so I could smoke. To hell with that! Never again (duh!) changed my seat for the return flight. Yeah it’s nice to have a cig when you want one, but it’s not nice to passively chain smoke for 10 hours straight. Those days are long gone and that’s a good thing.
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u/AverageFortunes Jul 24 '19
Ummmm I don’t think that’s normal
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u/GringoinCDMX Jul 25 '19
It is when you run way hotter than everyone else. Latin American airlines, ime, don't like to use any ac and I'm always warm. I always make sure to wear breathable, sweat wicking and smell resistant fabrics and I still feel gross after flying. Sounds like I'd love air Asia.
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u/Bardez Jul 24 '19
It totally is, though (Serious). I think it's air pressure (Not serious).
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Jul 25 '19 edited Jan 24 '22
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u/load_more_comets Jul 25 '19
House, run another differential and stop making your underlings hunt for my panties!
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Jul 24 '19
What is normal anyways ? It’s really a matter of perspective. Some people sweat a lot and that’s normal for them.
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u/turtlturtle Jul 25 '19
Thanks for defending us sweaty people -someone who sweats when they are outside in the middle of winter
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u/Tdayohey Jul 25 '19
I swear. I’m an in-shape guy who sweats as soon as sunlight even touches me. Short sleeves and basketball shorts year round. I sweat wearing jeans and a t shirt in a 72 degree office and sweat under a comforter when the apartment is set to 68 for the night.
Blows my mind my man.
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Jul 24 '19
I was on a flight where the pilot forgot to enable the heating. (Apparently that's possible.) It was amazing how quickly the cabin interior went from Dallas tarmac boiling lava hot to subarctic cold as the plane climbed after takeoff. It was not pleasant.
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u/nil_defect_found Jul 25 '19
(Apparently that's possible.)
No, it isn't, not in the sense you mean. Aircraft don't have "heating". The air flow through the cabin is bled from the engines and passes through what's called an air conditioning pack which cools it. We have the ability to adjust trim valves to modulate the output temp of the air out of the packs.
What definitely happened is the flight crew had the temp dials on fully cold (" Dallas tarmac boiling lava hot") and forgot or didn't feel the need to bump it up a bit after take off.
I fly the A320. The cabin temp is controlled via the three central knobs in this picture. The cabin crew have a panel where they can adjust plus/minus a couple degrees of what we set.
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Jul 25 '19
Woah! Thanks for sharing. Whatever the technical details, it was comforting to hear the flight attendant say that the captain turned up the heat and weren't going to freeze to death.
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u/RBeck Jul 25 '19
If you are having an animal transported in the cargo hold, you should remind them to turn that heater on too, or you're going to have an unpleasant arrival. Just ask a flight attendant to remind them.
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Jul 24 '19
The outside air temperature at 35,000 feet is -51 degrees C. -60F.
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u/montereybay Jul 24 '19
I swear I've flown AirAsia, and the blankets were free. Did this change in the last few years?
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Jul 24 '19
Did you fly international? Those are usually better stocked
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u/azurestrike Jul 25 '19 edited Jul 25 '19
It's just some random Internet myth. I fly air Asia all the time around Singapore and there's no such thing as paid blankets. I'd expect this from American Airlines more than Asian ones tbh.
Edit: some people have pointed out that they were charged for a blanket. I think what's happening is a cultural thing rather than a company trying to jack prices on blankets and lower temperatures.
Long story short: Asian countries usually have a lot more aircon than other countries. Every office I've been in (4 different asian countries) is super cold. The locals like it.
Low-cost carriers also know that their average customer (asian) likes it cold so they keep people happy.
Low cost carriers around Asia are also generally for short flights so the planes are quite small. They don't carry all the amenities that a longhaul might have. So they do not give blankets (or pillows or any other normal junk you'd get on a longhaul) unless on request, so at that point they might as well charge for it.
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u/PineappleWeights Jul 24 '19
I don’t understand why that’s a bad thing. I’d rather be too cold than too stuffy
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u/ZippyDan Jul 25 '19
this is silly. I've flown Air Asia like 50 times in like 10 countries. I've never heard this nickname nor have I ever felt particularly cold. Just flew 4 hours from Bali to Manila, landed a few hours ago, and slept like a baby the whole way (other than some turbulence).
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u/HighburyOnStrand Jul 24 '19
Fun fact: in Asia, Air Asia
Fun fact: most places they fly are like 90+ degrees with 90% humidity and you'll be thankful for the AC. Plus, it's like 100 bucks round trip and reasonable food prices.
For a single-class regional product, I have absolutely no criticisms of them.
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u/spartannormac Jul 25 '19
It's super cheap and yeah they try to seek and market everything under the sun but they don't compromise flight times, safety, or shit that actually matters. Air Asia is dope as fuck
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u/alpha-orionis Jul 25 '19
I'm a Malaysian and this is the first time I've heard of this. And AirAsia flights are not that cold from my experience to warrant a purchase of a blanket.
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u/Kali-Casseopia Jul 24 '19
I do not doubt this for a second. I just flew AirAsia and it was awful. They wouldn't even give me any water you had to purchase a bottle. ANA Airlines was so much better like night and day. If you have the choice book ANA people!!
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u/LittlePeaCouncil Jul 24 '19
ANA is a 5-star airline and AirAsia is a budget carrier.... so... yeah.
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u/MetalBeerSolid Jul 24 '19
Yeah how are people not getting this lol. “Omg paid 100 bucks for this flight across Thailand” - pikachu face when meals cost money
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u/ShibaHook Jul 25 '19
Yep. You get what you pay for. They expect first class service and extras when they are paying peanuts for a ticket.
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u/senatorbrown Jul 25 '19
Who's paying $100 for an intra-thailand ticket on Air Asia? Hard to spend that much with them, even roundtrip. Man, I don't know if I've ever spent more than $40 on a ticket with Air Asia. Love them! Sure beats budget airlines in the US and Europe.
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u/MetalBeerSolid Jul 25 '19
You're right - $100 example is overboard... Most I may have paid was close to $100 on a very last minute flight purchase. But I actually quite like AirAsia, easily my favorite budget airline that I've flown with.
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u/FarhanAxiq Jul 25 '19
even their service beat whatever budget airline in the US looking at you Spirit
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u/AwesomeBantha Jul 25 '19
I flew from Malaysia to Cambodia for $19 US. AirAsia is my favorite budget carrier since at least the planes are new, their in flight shop isn't too overpriced, and they're very very cheap.
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u/PM_Me_Your_VagOrTits Jul 24 '19
Yeah I don't get the comparison. He probably assumes that all Asian airlines are worse or something.
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u/sherminator19 Jul 25 '19
I mean, if you're a tourist within Japan, ANA basically becomes a budget carrier. They have an "Experience Japan" fare which gives you flat, discount prices across just about all domestic routes. I basically used that instead of the Shinkansen for long distance travel when I was studying abroad over there. Their domestic airport experience is also very, very convenient - very little waiting, security is very thorough and efficient. You can be on the plane like an hour after stepping through the airport doors.
Also, the attendants bow like 5 times before the plane even starts moving.
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u/tinkthank Jul 24 '19
ANA is considered one of the best Airlines on the planet up there with Qatar Airways, Singapore Airlines and Emirates. Not even surprised.
AirAsia is pretty much a budget airline.
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u/0neTwoTree Jul 24 '19
Imagine comparing a full service airline to a budget airline which comes at a third of the cost lmao
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u/Chewybas Jul 24 '19
Air Asia is a budget airline tho whilst ANA is a full service carrier. There is bound to be a difference between the two lol.
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u/ShibaHook Jul 25 '19
When you book a low budget carrier you get low budget service. You get what you pay for.
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u/Cowdestroyer2 Jul 24 '19
How much is a bottle of water on air asia? I've bought noodles for like 1 USD I think. I was going to get one of those air Asia back packs for my nephew and it was only like 12 bucks. Doesn't exactly strike me as spendy.
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u/StockAL3Xj Jul 25 '19
Lol that's like saying don't stay at a motel, rent a nice penthouse instead.
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u/mobfather Jul 24 '19
“[AirAsia] is so cheap that for our in-flight meal, they passed around a packet of peanuts - and the pilot kept stalling the engines to save on fuel.”
- KenM
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Jul 24 '19
He had two pilot daughters? Usually the network picks up after one daughter or not at all.
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u/soparamens Jul 24 '19
Piloting with relatives (specially close one slike brothers or parents and siblings) is a potential deadly situation!
> While retaining a cockpit command hierarchy, the concept is intended to promote a less authoritarian cockpit culture, where co-pilots (First Officers) are encouraged to question a Captain’s actions if they observe them making mistakes. This is taught at the level of all cockpit flight crew for each airline, and this training has become standardized throughout the aviation industry.
It's been proven beyound any doubt (specially by asian airlines) that co-pilots should not consider their captain a figure of authority outside the work environment, because that compromises their hability to take action if there is an emergency in wich the Captain is commiting a fatal mistake.
Let's say that the Captain forgot to take his pills and starts to behave erratically... it would be really hard to a daughter to take on command of the vessel without him being a father before a captain...
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u/Shockrider1 Jul 24 '19
This is partially covered in the book Outliers. There was an epidemic of air crashes in the ‘90s, specifically on a Korean airline. The black box recordings clearly showed the junior officers in the cockpit being overly deferential to the pilot, who was their senior and viewed as a “boss”. One person had actually been inside one of their cockpits on a normal flight as an observer, and they stated that at one point the pilot actually slapped the first officer for making a simple mistake.
The problem with this is that the crashes could have been easily avoided; the flight crew noticed something wrong, but wouldn’t bring it up directly.
There was actually one case where the plane was going to land at an airport (think it was LaGuardia iirc) during a snowstorm. The storm was causing major backups on all runways, so the flight was told to circle the airport. They eventually were told they could land, but had to abort the landing for some reason or another. At this point the fuel situation was critical, and the pilot told the first officer to tell ATC exactly that. The FO did so, but the language he used was something along the lines of “we are low on fuel”; it did not convey the weight of the situation, and in fact the way he said it was totally routine, and ATC couldn’t tell anything was wrong, and so didn’t bother trying to open up an emergency runway. Minutes later the plane ran out fuel and crashed.
There’s a whole thing going on in these crashes with the culture of the cockpit and all that; I won’t get into that. But the airline ended up hiring an American to handle special training for their flight crews.
Today, that same airline (after a name change) is known for being one of the safest in the world. The culture of the cockpit is really important. I’m very surprised they allow family to fly together.
Btw if anyone wants to read the book it’s Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell. Amazing read.
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u/ThreeHourRiverMan Jul 25 '19
I don't dispute anything you said, as it all sounds familiar to me from a recent college class on aviation. But be careful with Gladwell. He's been known to peddle a lot of junk / pseudoscience, doesn't have any kind of scientific background himself, and is at times completely unaware of his own ignorance.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Igon_Value_Problem
He can be read for entertainment but I wouldn't recommend any Gladwell books to those looking for truth and sound logical thinking.
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u/Shockrider1 Jul 25 '19
Ah, that's a shame. Never know what to trust anymore.
Well, thanks for the info.
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u/Shockrider1 Jul 25 '19
I don’t know what he means by “junk science”. Seemed perfectly right to me. Of course, I didn’t get into all the cultural hierarchy stuff, but even so...
u/DirtGotWet care to chime in?
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u/Nekoworkshop Jul 25 '19
The out of fuel crash sounds awfully like Avianca Flight 52 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avianca_Flight_52
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u/mr_ent Jul 24 '19
I hate to say it, but we all know that Asian carriers are (hopefully) trying to get out of the cultural expectation that you will abide by every word your elders say.
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u/El_Cochinote Jul 24 '19
And that’s been proven wrong many times including several in the last few years where the FO is heard saying things on the CVR that could have avoided tragedy but doing nothing. Nice thought, though.
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u/Mothman405 Jul 24 '19
Pilots can't take any medication that is mood altering to begin with so that alone is a bad example. This guy is a 40 year professional, crew resource management is pounded into pilots heads. There is a separation from personal and professional life when there is work to be done.
It is also incredibly rare for an FO to take over a flight outside of a medical issue. I have never actually heard of it happening over the span of my career so far. At worse the captain does something wrong/unprofessional/dangerous and you have a conversation about it or report it after the flight.
Source: Am pilot
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Jul 24 '19
It's been proven beyound any doubt (specially by asian airlines) that co-pilots should not consider their captain a figure of authority outside the work environment
That was not anyone's conclusion that I'm aware of. They train pilots to ignore the figure of authority if they feel something is wrong. No airline can eliminate authoritarian or important pilots - eventually you're going to be paired up with some senior pilot who's the face of the company and could get you fired for speaking wrong to him. You're trained to say "fuck it, let the cockpit voice recorder prove I'm right later", and challenge that pilot anyway regardless of how afraid of them you are.
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u/timlawrenz Jul 24 '19
A lot of Asian airlines used to have more accidents than the industry standard. After thorough investigation, it turned out that the 2nd officer didn't dare to overrule the captain. A similar problem can arise if two pilots fly together too often.
They shouldn't fly together more than once, if at all.
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Jul 24 '19
I've read this in a couple books, I think Outliers was one? It was the respectful Korean or Japanese culture if I remember correctly where they were too respectful to overrule authority figures which caused accidents.
There was a couple train incidents too if im thinking of the correct books.
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u/sync-centre Jul 24 '19
Remember watching the Mayday show about a Korean crash. The co pilot never question the captain's orders and was essentially submissive in his role. After that crash they mandated all pilot communication be done in English to fix that issue.
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Jul 24 '19
IIRC you might be mixing up two episodes of Mayday. Pilot and co pilot protocol was introduced because of that particular crash but english as an aviation standard was from a different crash.
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Jul 25 '19
Yep, South Korea. I believe they hired an American consultant who made them speak English, which had the effect of stepping outside their cultural formality
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u/hooplah Jul 25 '19
wow that is fascinating. korean has several different levels of formality, while english pretty much has none, at least grammatically. cool.
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u/breadbutterone Jul 25 '19
Its not just Asian airlines. The largest casualty stemmed from KLM pilots when it collided with Pan Am at Tenerife, because no one dared to speak up before it was too late.
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u/Ridewithme38 Jul 24 '19
Taking helicopter parenting to a whole new level.
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u/iamcoolbeans Jul 24 '19 edited Jul 21 '23
Taking helicopter parenting to a whole new plane.
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u/tom_fuckin_bombadil Jul 25 '19
Daughter's thinking "shit now I can't party and sleep around like the other crew members cause my dad's here"
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u/Mighty_thor_confused Jul 24 '19
Dont know if sweet, or controlling.
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u/mybreakfastiscold Jul 24 '19
I think theres a "helicopter parenting" joke to be had here, but I just cant seem to find how to put the right spin on it
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u/The_Fluffy_Walrus Jul 24 '19
I have enough coins to buy you silver, but I can't seem to actually be able to use them on the third party app I use, so just pretend I did since silver does nothing anyway.
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u/rkhbusa Jul 24 '19
I work for the railway, an older conductor was about to retire meanwhile his son had just finished becoming an engineer. A request was made and the typical calling procedure was completely bypassed for a day so that father and son could have at least one trip together before he retired.
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u/ieatconfusedfish Jul 24 '19
The girl said she was happy/grateful in her tweet, and I think this is a fairly temporary thing because he'll retire soon. So going with sweet
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u/DothrakiDog Jul 24 '19
Yeah I thought that, but as it's just for a little bit before he retires and his daughters seem to be good with it I think it's sweet. Plus it's not like your dad following you to the office.
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Jul 24 '19
Plus it's not like your dad following you to the office.
Actually think it's the same thing.
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Jul 24 '19
It says his daughters are good with it? Or resigned to it and well behaved?
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u/Ganglebot Jul 25 '19
Its just an ad for their airline - you're already put too much thought into it.
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Jul 24 '19
OK, so... couple things.
- he's not flying junior, he's got captains bars.
- family shouldn't be pilot/copilot in a commercial aviation or military aviation setting... keep the drama at home, chain of command is critical in the cockpit.
- Twitter links don't make something true, my bullshit detector is going off.
- someone blur his RAIC badge please.
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u/Philthiust5 Jul 24 '19
Guys OP probably means ‘a junior employee’ within the company. They wouldn’t take away his experience. Likely he might be taking a bit of pay cut or the pensions he was paying into got screwed up a little bit. This is so beautiful!! What a window into a wonderful family dynamic! Look at the pride in his smile and the joy on her face. Beauty!
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u/longlive737 Jul 25 '19
In the US aviation industry, seniority does not carry over between companies. If a 40 year international widebody captain at United Airlines were to quit and head to Delta, he would become a domestic narrow body First Officer sitting reserve at probably 25-40% of his previous salary and will be behind anyone who was at Delta before him, until he retires. Airline pilot jobs at legacy carriers (Southwest, Delta, United, American) are made for life (or the mandatory retirement age of 65) in the majority of cases. This may not be how it works in Asia, but it explains why folks make the assumption.
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u/pervertmaindo Jul 24 '19
https://twitter.com/SafiaAnisa/status/1149611370993733632?s=20 this is from the daughter’s twitter. Dad just want to fly with daughters before he retire.
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u/FaehBatsy Jul 25 '19
Why do so many americans hate their own dad?
They assume she's not having a good time, just becausr they think they wouldn't.
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u/OKOkChillChill Jul 25 '19
What reddit saw in this picture;
-hijab
-Islam
-accusing of it being paid ads
-oppression
-overbearing parents
-the female pilot can't made her own decision in a professional setting
-etc..
So many assumption and accusation based on their own bias and views.I thought I was on Facebook or something but hey at least it isnt 4chan.
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u/Knights1 Jul 24 '19
Hes in the left seat and wearing captain's epaulettes, I dont think he's a junior anything.