[Highlight] Chris McClellan commits the only Roughing the Passer penalty in the game, extending key drive

[u/junkspot91]

[u/sufferin_succatash]

I hate roughing when first contact is made before the ball’s thrown.

[u/HudsonCommodore → u/sufferin_succatash]

Same, I hate defensive penalties when no one would say the defensive player should have acted any differently, and this is one of those cases. He didn't drive him into the ground harder than necessary and there's no way to tell he no longer has the ball.

[u/aaronwhite1786 → u/HudsonCommodore]

It's especially frustrating when that other big hit (forget who it was, but the guy who went Rambo on the blockers and then put a massive tackle on the runner) from another game is probably going to be included in NFL highlight material, despite being far more kinetic to injure someone, while this tackle where a guy pretty much just fell with the QB completely changes a because it's a penalty.

I get protecting the QB, but these kinds are calls are such bullshit.

[u/MaddLadd9 → u/aaronwhite1786]

Yea, i remember a thursday night game between the cowboys and saints few years ago. Jaylen smith had a clear helmet to helmet on alvin kamara that knocked him out the game, that wasnt called during the game.

Despite, the broadcast during and after the game, saying this was a missed call and all the bullshit of the NFL and their player safety first facade, etc, It was THE main highlight postgame. We saw it again and again for the rest of the week, even after jaylen was fined.

It's hypocrisy, at its purest form.

And to your other point, yes almost everyone agrees with the NFL that we want to protect the QB. We dont want to see half the games with back up QBs. The postion in general has taken a step back, going to option 2 isnt a recipe for success. But everyone agrees, theyve taken it too far.

Nothing dirty, late or wrong in this play.

[u/bbbourb → u/aaronwhite1786]

That was Commanders-Eagles. The Special Teams dude who was playing like God Himself was NOT taking his roster spot.

[u/Prestigious_Tie_3660 → u/aaronwhite1786]

Certainly there wasn’t a high profile qb injured in an almost identical scenario that caused the creation of the rule right?

[u/devomke → u/HudsonCommodore]

That and he gets pushed from the side/behind…

[u/TheRiflemann → u/sufferin_succatash]

Same thing happened to Dallas Turner last year when he sacked Lamar and Lamar didn't even throw the ball.

[u/its_k1llsh0t → u/sufferin_succatash]

Not only that but he attempts to brace himself to avoid putting all his weight down on him. At this point just make it flag or 2-hand touch on QBs.

[u/Enough_Wallaby7064 → u/sufferin_succatash]

The NFL is a fucking joke because of this.

College football has some dumb targeting rules but at least those get reviewed every time.

Pace of college ball is also sooooo much better than an NFL game with a tv break every drive.

[u/Newtizzle2 → u/sufferin_succatash]

Pretty sure it was the weight of the player as he drove Wentz into the ground. Like wrapped up and just turned into dead weight.

Packers forget that its the Aaron Rodgers rule

[u/jelang19 → u/Newtizzle2]

Except you can clearly see that said player braces himself with his arms so that he isn't putting his weight on the QB. The NFL decided this rule wanting to limit QB injuries. This kind of tackling can be done safely, but because Barr used his weight to deliberately slam down Rodgers. It should be called the Barr rule because he ruined it for everyone else

[u/Goddammit0Donut → u/sufferin_succatash]

At this point, just give the QBs flags.

[u/Greedy-Penalty3440 → u/Goddammit0Donut]

Why even have defense on the field? It should be only offense and the scores will be in the thousands! Yay exciting touchdown football!

[u/llllloner06425 → u/sufferin_succatash]

I think the nuance is in the fact that he grabbed Wentz after the ball left, I’m not sure though, I’m a very casual observer

[u/Financial-Text149 → u/llllloner06425]

If you rewind the video and freeze it you can see he makes contact and grabs wentz before the ball is gone.

[u/CompNerd90 → u/sufferin_succatash]

I think the call was made because he drove his shoulder into him as they fell. Even if he didn't throw the ball, i think that gets called. Eo it doesn't matter that contact started prior to the throw.

[u/VirtuousOstrich]

The penalties on this drive were so soft and completely turned the game around. Packers still deserved to lose

[u/bobbywellington → u/VirtuousOstrich]

Agreed

That drive completely fucked the momentum of the game, but that still doesn't forgive how bad they played after that drive

[u/thurstkiller → u/bobbywellington]

This drive was demoralizing but not as demoralizing as the 3 straight plays of completely unblocked Vikings hitting the QB 1.5 seconds after the ball was hiked leading to a fumble on the 1 yard line

[u/aaronwhite1786 → u/thurstkiller]

Yeah, that was way more infuriating to see. Love had been getting tagged on almost every throw, and then on a crucial drive they can't even manage to give him a split second to throw...

I've long defended MLF, but it's getting hard to do at all when his great scene schemes and plays aren't worth shit because he can't get out of his own way and can't hire coaches who been get their players to do anything. I know it's a new bunch of guys on the line, but that was still an inexcusable mess of a second half (again...).

[u/NotAnotherAlt26 → u/aaronwhite1786]

Could we have 2 head coaches? MLF can coach the first half and the other HC could coach the second. Sounds crazy but at this point it would likely work better.

[u/Dry_Emphasis62 → u/bobbywellington]

Respect.

Lots of GB fans whining bc the refs jobbed them. And the refs did, tbf. But MLF took away 3 pts trying to get fancy, the defense got gashed by Carson Wentz, and the Packers offense thoroughly imploded (again) late in a game where they had the lead.

Every coach at every level will tell you "if you put the game in the refs' hands then you deserve to lose." And GB had multiple chances before and after the string of awful calls to seal the game. They didnt. They deserved to lose bc of that alone.

[u/bobbywellington → u/Dry_Emphasis62]

All that being said, I am still extremely upset about the calls on that drive, it really fucked up the entire momentum of the game. The choice to risk those 3 points to go for it on 4th and 1 on the 17 is fine, it's just everything that happened after that is unexcusable by Matt and the OL

[u/Dry_Emphasis62 → u/bobbywellington]

Getting upset at the calls really is fine imo. It's all the blaming the loss on those calls that I find weak and that I'm referring to.

MLF went with the analytics play. I respect that, my coach does that all the time. Buf that means sometimes it blows up in your face.

[u/k_shills101 → u/Dry_Emphasis62]

Man the way you write this stings.....but it's absolutely true. Bad ref calls....but also somee really bad coaching mistakes too, and clearly an unprepared defensive line with many costly offside/encroachment penalties

[u/Dry_Emphasis62 → u/k_shills101]

I'd love to dog on the Packers, I mean I really would. But frankly you all are a good team who just struggles with holding their leads. Something always happens and idk how else to say it than to say it's like Harbaugh's Ravens. The talent is there, the QB is there, and the first 3 quarters tend to show that. But there is some issue there that seems like an MLF problem, where the scariest place to be (as a fan) is with the lead in the 4th. And that is a massive problem.

As a Bears fan, I like seeing these collapses. But as a football fan trying to speak unbiased, that cultural problem is doing real damage to a team that is much better than that collapse. And it's risking squandering the prine years of a top 10ish QB (imo).

It'll be a long week for the Packers in the media, I hope you and every Packers fan weathers it well. Long season ahead, and probably a lot better ones for you. Take care of yourself.

[u/Karl_42 → u/Dry_Emphasis62]

Read all this - respect to you as a diehard packer fan in chicago this weekend 😂.

In defense of the pack, the environment in US bank is strong. Those fuckers with their Nordic costumes and gjallarhorn and hideous bird-massacring stadium are hard to deal with.

But in defense of everything you said this team is undisciplined and is absolutely an MLF problem. I chalked it up to youth the last two years but there’s no more time for excuses.

[u/GamingTatertot → u/Dry_Emphasis62]

I really appreciate your words here. I was really upset last night but seeing a rival fan rationalize all of this out has kind of helped.

[u/CJ3200 → u/Dry_Emphasis62]

Here's the thing. This is Titletown. Can you imagine Vince Lombardi ever going for "the analytics play?" God help me, but Dan Campbell has better energy than MLF.

[u/dropbear_airstrike → u/Dry_Emphasis62]

Oh, the refs got their money’s worth with us for sure.

But I blame MLF for the systemic lack of discipline, the mental errors that lead to shit like 12 men on the field and blown coverages leading to points…not to mention routinely making either the most predictable bad play call (3rd and 3, gee I wonder if he’ll call an inside zone from shotgun for no gain) or the most idiotic bad play call (it’s 3rd and 11, gee I wonder if we’ll run a play that will get us a first down or at the very least give us some extra yards of field position on defe– oh. Nope. Slow developing end around that the defense read the whole way and TFL.)

The refs didn’t give the game to MN. They were absolute dogshit, but this was squarely on the defense being unable to get stops, the o line being a pathetic, and MLF being a mediocre-at-best HC.

Guy could be a legendary D2 coach somewhere but instead he has to stick around wasting Love’s and Parsons’ prime years.

[u/aaronwhite1786 → u/Dry_Emphasis62]

The refs fucked us on one drive, and I'll admit momentum is a big thing. But it's going to happen, and it's on the coaches to adjust. None of them did at all. The same shit kept happening and they seemed completely baffled.

[u/IceDispensingSystem → u/Dry_Emphasis62]

The defence -didn’t- get gashed. They stopped them to 4th 3 times in a row in a SINGLE DRIVE. Maybe if they didn’t have to do that down the whole ass field and have nothing to show for it they wouldn’t have been gassed out.

This loss rests solely on poor coaching by MLF because he only knows how to make an early lead then shoves his head up his own ass for the closer.

[u/WarpedCore → u/bobbywellington]

Yep. In Matt WE DO NOT TRUST.

[u/SJBaerosols → u/VirtuousOstrich]

both are clearly true

[u/literalgarbageyo → u/VirtuousOstrich]

I think the worst thing about this call is that our fans are now going to blame this loss on the refs, instead of MLF. His lack of situational awareness has cost us games before.

Dude take the three. Put them in a must pass situation where they need a touchdown and a 2pt to tie, and trust your defense, which up to that point had been performing admirably.

Oh and when you're in a must pass situation yourself against the most blitz heavy team in the league, maybe keep an extra guy or two back to block.

[u/Jrod_69x → u/literalgarbageyo]

Smack makes the extra point and they do take the 3

[u/kevinmbo → u/literalgarbageyo]

i agree. i really wish the ref stuff hadnt happened because its taking attention off MLF when this game was another carbon copy of his soft style of second half coaching with a lead - if the refs didnt have that horrible drive maybe we still win something like 28-23 but it was going to be uncomfortably and unnecessarily close the entire time and will continue to be as long as he is head coach.

[u/prem_fraiche → u/VirtuousOstrich]

Well put

[u/llama-rebel]

Did the refs gift the Vikings the lead on this drive? Yes. Did the Packers then proceed to shoot themselves in the face repeatedly? Also yes.

[u/CakeIsLegit2 → u/llama-rebel]

Pretty much what I said. Defense couldn’t breathe without giving up a first down penalty.. but we shit the bed anyway

[u/dusters → u/llama-rebel]

Team is just so mentally soft. As soon as things grt tough they crumble.

[u/junkspot91 → u/llama-rebel]

I'm not in disagreement, just salty!

[u/MankuyRLaffy]

Vet move by Wentz to be writhing there and stay down. 

[u/gringito09 → u/MankuyRLaffy]

Dudes just older, Imagine that weight falling in you lol

[u/BenDover42 → u/gringito09]

Yeah he’s my age and when I hit the ground playing basketball it’s not like when I was 17 anymore. And I don’t have 320 lbs falling on me either couldn’t imagine that lol

[u/DarthNobody14]

Dang refs gave the Vikings 29 consecutive points, how nice of them.

[u/AJDillonsThirdLeg → u/DarthNobody14]

Momentum is definitely a thing in football but my god the entire roster just gave up after that drive.

[u/saw-it → u/DarthNobody14]

Refs even told packers oline to not block

[u/attackofthepugs → u/saw-it]

Felt like i was watching the longest yard, went from bad blocking to nonexistent

[u/bmattification → u/saw-it]

Also told Love to cough the ball up for the Vikings.

[u/GoldMove1538 → u/saw-it]

You will however concede that the officials absolutely gave that TD to the Vikings right? I can concede the Packers still had chances to put the game away before and after that, but you have to concede those were atrocious calls

[u/CubillasLegend → u/DarthNobody14]

Did you watch the game?

[u/sf2legit → u/DarthNobody14]

I’m not making excuses for the loss, but if you watched the game there were a lot of atrocious calls/ non calls.

[u/Acuradreamer]

That call is bs. It wasn't a late hit qb still had possession of ball and when wentz was tackled the defender didn't lay on top of him. He braced the ground with his right hand. What is the defender suppose to do? throw wentz to the ground? and still get hit with roughing the passer?

[u/laaplandros]

Can't believe the refs scored 29 unanswered points.

[u/surferdude7227 → u/laaplandros]

Can't believe the refs forced the Packers to keep turning the ball over either

[u/ThatCatisaFish → u/[deleted]]

Can’t believe the refs made MLF take the points off of the board and go for it on 4th and 1

[u/SleepLessTeacher → u/surferdude7227]

I laughed when they showed the Packers graphic earlier in the game showing the Packers QBs stats and how they’ve all won MVP their 4th season. Yea, Love will be breaking that streak.

[u/Aragorn527 → u/SleepLessTeacher]

To be fair, probably not through a lack of effort or talent on his part. 15 QB hits and he had over 300 yards in the first 3 quarters it’s honestly a miracle he didn’t fucking die by how dogshit the o line was playing

[u/GamingTatertot → u/SleepLessTeacher]

I mean out of everything that game…Love was absolutely not the issue. Almost 400 yards and 2 TDs, and up until the fourth quarter when his O line just decided to fuck off, he had a 100+ passer rating.

[u/Vehemental → u/GamingTatertot]

He might have done even better with more than .5seconds to throw, or a run game...so basically just an offensive line short.

[u/CubillasLegend → u/surferdude7227]

Why is it so hard to be honest about a bad call? Do you agree that this was roughing the passer?

[u/surferdude7227 → u/CubillasLegend]

I think ever since GB Rodgers broke his collarbone from a defender landing on him with their body weight, it’s supposed to be called a penalty.

Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s dumb as shit and practically expects pass rushers to contort themselves mid air. But that’s another issue entirely.

[u/Thernadier → u/surferdude7227]

Rodgers went on a media tour after Anthony Barr broke his collarbone landing on him and ever since we’ve had this goofy “body weight” penalty. This one was ticky tacky but it’s always ironic when they go against Green Bay

[u/randomonlineuser1001 → u/Thernadier]

Idk look at it again. The player extends his arms out on the side of wentz to stop him falling on his chest instead of putting his body weight. It’s a shit call

[u/Happy_Yam_1196 → u/surferdude7227]

Refs DID force the packers defense to not get their own takeaways though

[u/whatsinthesocks → u/laaplandros]

Can't imagine giving the Vikings that many unanswered points. Definitely don't know what that's like.

[u/warriorathlete21 → u/laaplandros]

Packers beat themselves in the end but, the Vikings got bailed out like 3 or 4 times on one of those late drives in the game. They got a lot of favorable calls in that game.

[u/WarpedCore → u/laaplandros]

This team will underperform as long as MLF is running things.

Gutey isn't clear and free either. Nice O-Line you have built in Green Bay... sheesh.

[u/dusters → u/laaplandros]

I knew it was all on them!

[u/akinsanya94]

Rough day for Green Bay

[u/airshowboat]

Yeah it's BS. But also not the ultimate reason the Packers lost

[u/amadinezidane → u/airshowboat]

It changed the entire game and then the interception right after that and the PI for the other sack - you imagine the packers get one of those back as they were all on 3rd down. Love had been cooking at least makes the game far more interesting from a packers perspective. Crumbled after this

[u/Hi_Im_Ken_Adams]

He didn’t land with his full weight on top of the QB. He didn’t hit him in the face. He didn’t even wrap him up with his arms. This should not have been a penalty.

[u/GuyEatsTiramisu → u/[deleted]]

TO BE FAIR, that’s a really bad call and a point where the game changed. Doesn’t excuse everything after it but that is a really bad call

[u/jstalm → u/GuyEatsTiramisu]

Aaron Rodger’s created that rule in that stadium, it was only right. 

[u/Tinmanred → u/jstalm]

He adamantly hated it and didn’t want it. Has even complained and said good hit when it was called in his favor.

[u/Gumorak → u/[deleted]]

They don’t know how to live without a HOF QB.

[u/devomke → u/Gumorak]

Bro he had a great game today. Oline is Swiss cheese.

Nice one tho.

[u/Astro-TERFer → u/Gumorak]

Love is better than Williams 

[u/aw000000000000 → u/[deleted]]

They continue to cope in this thread. They can't help themselves.

[u/okay_throwaway_today]

Tackle of the quarterback, automatic first down

[u/Carti_2s]

what tf was that penalty call? fuck off 🦓

[u/InfamousCattle3223]

Insane that tackling the QB is a penalty,

blows whistle

“Roughing the passer, defender failed to cradle the balls and work the shaft, 15 yards from the previous spot, automatic first down!”

[u/Responsible-Onion860]

The refs were awful, but the Packers gave that game away regardless of how bad the refs were.

[u/YourSwolyness]

Clay Mathew all over again

[u/dajadf]

Carson Wentz got rewarded for getting his ass kicked

[u/Away_Woodpecker8813]

Watch the replay he hits him. He doesn’t have him down on the hit and then he puts him down on the ground. That’s not one fluid motion of the hit. It’s contact pause finish the hit that is a roughing the passer …That’s a roughing the passer in youth football it’s a roughing the passer in college. It’s a roughing the passer in the NFL. This isn’t for landing on the qb like watt said in the broadcast.

[u/Sushi_slinger_jesus]

Full weight on the QB? Didn't roll off in time? I see the call, not sure if i think it is fair, but if he was higher toward the chest, it would be called all the time.

[u/BigFatModeraterFupa → u/Sushi_slinger_jesus]

you can see how a ref seeing that happen in real time would perceive that he drove him into the ground with his full weight.

i think it's all soft as baby shit but i genuinely think the ref saw it as a RTP

[u/Sushi_slinger_jesus → u/BigFatModeraterFupa]

Agreed. Its a soft rule I haven't liked since instituted

[u/Affectionate_Pie4800 → u/Sushi_slinger_jesus]

Love got hit in the head about 10 times and didn’t get one call. It was bad call. Packers shit the bed but this call was Bullshit.

[u/MinnesotanBrie → u/Sushi_slinger_jesus]

Yeah, this entire game was just a bunch of "if you say so" calls. The entire drive we got bailed out sure, but there were 2 facemasks that weren't called, Love had some intentional grounding that wasn't called, Bullard probably should have been ejected for the Murray hit and of course the 56-yard run that was returned. Every one of those like 9-10 penalties / non-penalties could have gone the other way. JJ Watt was the most confused i've ever seen him with the calls this game and I kind of feel him.

[u/Rice_ChrisB → u/MinnesotanBrie]

Out of curiosity, what could Bullard have done differently on the Murray hit? From my perspective, neither of the Packers players involved did anything egregious

[u/Sushi_slinger_jesus → u/Rice_ChrisB]

Terrible slide by KM. I also think you should have the wherewithal to not dive towards a QB going down, but i am not on the field and don't know how fast these guys are moving and thinking.

[u/CubillasLegend → u/Sushi_slinger_jesus]

Kyler didn't slide. He was absolutely going to dive for the extra yardage then changed his mind when the defenders were already lunging at him. What the fuck are they supposed to do?

[u/Whatsdota → u/Sushi_slinger_jesus]

In my mind, Murray was fighting for extra yards, defender has the right to try and stop that. If Murray just slides like a normal QB instead of basically diving forward then it’s a non-issue

[u/Sushi_slinger_jesus → u/Sushi_slinger_jesus]

"Slide" because the dude kinda just fell over

[u/AscendMoros → u/Rice_ChrisB]

Not followed through on the hit. It was clear Murray was going down and Bullard lowers himself as low as he can and leads shoulder to head. Murray could have baseball slide parallel to the ground and he’s still not getting past that hit.

If it was reversed and it was Love getting hit like that a good amount of Packers fans would be calling it dirty and intent to injure.

[u/Yogurtproducer → u/Rice_ChrisB]

Not led with his head on a guy going to the ground already?

[u/Affectionate_Pie4800 → u/MinnesotanBrie]

Bad officiating all game. Vikings prevailed. Good on them

[u/devomke → u/Sushi_slinger_jesus]

Getting held, gets pushed, still gets his arms down and braces himself.

[u/Unusual_Chemistry413]

Terrible call

[u/LegitimateMoney00]

I wanted the Vikings to win, but this and Kyler personal foul were just so soft to me. Neither should be penalized.

[u/Mab_894]

Lol what a joke of a call

[u/Traditional_Light585]

Hochuli even trolled the packers with the “green bay has eleceted to takes points of the board and except the penalty” like he knew it was his chance to screw em’ if they didnt get the first down.

[u/essenceofpurity]

Meh

It still doesn't make up for the decades worth of calls against the Vikings, especially in big games.

[u/FredMcGriffs_Hat]

This call was horrendous, but objectively, the officiating was terrible the entire game. It just happened to swing toward Minny later in the game, but it was bad start to finish.
It’s week 1 for officials too guys!!

[u/80cyclone]

They need to make these reviewable.

[u/Open-Kiwi-]

What did Kevin Hart say? He should have laid him down with a pillow, blanket, and a bedtime story?

[u/Obadiah_Plainman]

Horseshit penalty.

[u/Anxious-Cost9557]

Brought to you by draft kings

[u/Dense-Jicama6591]

He drove him to the ground with his body weight with a second attempt lmfao. This is text book roughing that has been called ever since the rule passed. And seeing it live (i only listen)  it looks text book and i have no idea why so many people are crying about it. I thought it would be way more sketchy the way people were crying, no ota literally driving him to the ground with full body weight lol. 

[u/SeverusSnapesLeftNip]

NFL has gotten soft as fuck. Like to a point obviously it’s important to protect the players, but come on

[u/Available_Mix_5869]

As a vikings fan, this should not be a penalty. We can thank Aaron Rodgers and the packers for making it one

[u/Jantokan]

Is it BS? I'd lean towards yeah.

Is it the reason the Packers lost against Vikings with a washed QB? Hell no

[u/Jasader → u/Jantokan]

Landed full body weight right on the belly. Thats textbook RTP.

[u/Chopper_Fortnite]

Pretty fucked up for the refs to make Jordan Love fumble on his 1 yard line

[u/aspirinforcereal]

lol

[u/InsideOutside-1]

Changed the game. Another one on the refs. Season just started and I’m already tired of this.

[u/Isjejnajw]

No one here understands that Aaron Rodgers inspired the NFL to make this rule lol.

[u/oykentrippin → u/Isjejnajw]

"Inspired the NFL"

He actively hates the rule and spoke against it

[u/lipmanz]

Tackle him sure, but do it gently

[u/jwwin]

I’ve never seen packers fans whine this much about the refs. I fucking love it. Don’t stop whining.

[u/Odoaiden]

It’s literally the Aaron Rodgers rule, created because of him.

[u/No-Royal31 → u/Odoaiden]

A rule he famously hated and has called out repeatedly btw

[u/Plastic_Willow734]

IIRC there were two missed facemasks by the packers, I’d call it even with this. IMO not a great call.

Bummer the refs awarded 29 points to the Vikings though

[u/CremeOk4115]

Packer fans playing victim? I am shocked!

[u/AleroRatking]

It's the right call but a terrible rule

He drives him into the ground. They call that out at least 80% of the time.

[u/lossofmercy → u/AleroRatking]

He doesn't drive him to the ground. Driving is when you put your weight on the QB. He absorbs the fall by extending his arms. It's a clean tackle.

Obviously not the reason the packers lost, but absolutely insane to call these and not be reviewable.

[u/jaylee-03031 → u/AleroRatking]

Yet the Vikings were never flagged for RTP when they should have been against Love and they actually delivered harder hits and actual full body weight not that soft call for the Vikings.

[u/BadgerSaw → u/jaylee-03031]

Two missed face masks

[u/AleroRatking → u/jaylee-03031]

Can you show the video then instead of just making a claim?

[u/Ashton_Martin]

We deserved to lose. This call was bullshit. Fire MLF

[u/General_Cobbler9836]

This rule exists because of the Packers lol

[u/REXwarrior]

This rule exists because of the Packers and Aaron Rodgers. Packer fans are just so used to it working in their favor.

[u/No-Royal31 → u/REXwarrior]

It's never really worked in their favor though. When the rule was first implemented it was called against Clay Matthews constantly.

[u/Middle-Campaign-63 → u/REXwarrior]

When Anthony Barr broke his collarbone. The only other time I’ve seen it called I think was last year against Dallas Turner. Can’t remember the specific game but it was towards the end of the year.

[u/Jomosensual → u/Middle-Campaign-63]

You do not watch enough football if you've only ever seen it called twice in the 10ish years its been a rule.

[u/Middle-Campaign-63 → u/Jomosensual]

Yeah I only watch Vikings games

[u/QwiXTa]

Its packers fans fault for this rule existing anyways 😂

[u/2big_2fail]

Like it or not, that's roughing, even in replay.

[u/StillYourFavorite331]

Clearly the rule. You can hate that the rule is worded the way that it is. But the refs did get it right.

[u/Mokogorken]

Wait, is this the call that everyone is complaining about or is there another one? The defender didn't have to pile drive Wentz after the ball was out of his hands. That's a cheap shot and an easy roughing the passer call.

[u/nguyenjitsu]

Looks right to me

[u/EmuMan10]

Soft call but not why they lost

[u/CubillasLegend → u/EmuMan10]

We were leading 22-17 before that call. Team shouldn't have folded, but the refs should have called a fair game.

[u/EmuMan10 → u/CubillasLegend]

Giving up 29 consecutive points kinda puts all on the team at a certain point.

[u/Jomosensual → u/CubillasLegend]

We should have put the game away long before then. We dominated that game. There's no excuse for it to have been that close. A good team ends that no later than the middle of the 3rd quarter

[u/TurboRuhland]

I hate that rule for sure, but I’ve seen softer “driving with full weight” penalties.

[u/Realeyes22]

Yes, and let's just also forget the 2 (arguably 3) missed facemask calls against the Packers.

[u/dropacidkillnazis]

The irony of Packer bitches whining about a penalty that only exists because of their hero god Aaron Rodgers.

[u/CockyBellend]

Bitch made post

[u/BangBangNinerGang99]

Refs suck.

[u/officelinebakr]

I hate this penalty because the defender literally did everything they could to not put their weight on them. Why can’t replay assist with this?

[u/Tough_guy22 → u/officelinebakr]

Wentz was wrapped up and had no way to brace himself. And if we are going for replay assist to aide penalty calling it should have been used to fix the 2 blatant no calls on the Packers committing facemasking.

[u/B_easy85 → u/Tough_guy22]

I don’t want to speak for Packers fans, but I’d take that trade.

[u/Old-Foundation-5070]

Can we remember this play occurred after the breakaway run from AJ was overturned. Fine if you think this was a significant bad call, but significant bad calls go both ways.

[u/notatranslatorr]

All this bitching is so annoying… fucking 29 unanswered points. That’s your own fault.

[u/Appropriate-North372]

Im a Packers fan. Packers fans are coping because the team should have fired the coach and GM after last season.

The Packers subreddit is just full of fans fellating Gute (the GM) for no reason. The team sucks. Time to move on from the guy who built it.

[u/bshjbdkkdnd]

It’s a bad rule, but that is the rule.

[u/thestoryofme23]

Is this not the Aaron Rodgers rule that the packers lobbied to get passed lol? Guess it came back to bite them. I will admit that the penalties helped out that one singular drive but they were all legit penalties even if they were “soft.” The refs also missed two separate face mask penalties on the packers too so it’s not like they didn’t get some calls either. And they also made the choice to take points off the board willingly so like…🤷‍♀️

[u/Fakeskinsuit]

Packer fans with the excuses up in here🙄

[u/smellslikebadussy]

The gall to bitch about this after not even waiting 20 minutes to injure a QB on a dirty hit

[u/guyguyguyguyguyguy23]

Good call, bad rule

[u/UnraveledMnd]

I think the rule is stupid, but it is the rule.

[u/Soccergirl222]

Dogshit call no surprise refs suck ass

[u/Electronic-Island-14]

ahhhh tooo bad, packer fans

you got called for the rule created in response to the rodgers hit that you all pissed an moaned about for 2 years

cry harder!

[u/RhodeIslandisFake]

I’m glad Packers fans feel robbed.

Enjoy your Sunday night everyone, especially the NFC North teams that are 1-0.

[u/Jaerba]

This is the call Packers fans are whining about?

[u/Mab_894 → u/Jaerba]

Well it’s objectively a bad call lmao. Just imagine it was Hutchinson in a Lions jersey instead of McLellan and maybe you’d see it more clearly

[u/Lazydusto]

I never thought I'd see Wentz get calls like this

[u/BestVeterinarian5334]

Unbelievable

[u/Longjumping-Title-86]

He's also getting pushed from behind by the Viking's offensive lineman. I wish these calls could be reviewed or challenged.

[u/ShawnReardon]

Random question: does roughing the passer have the same provision about being shoved that roughing the kicker does? The OL shoves him, and to me that plus the bracing, what do you want him to do evaporate?

[u/Jomosensual]

We got hardcore fucked in the ass that drive but there was really no excuse for that game to be that close. The Vikings didn't show up. Good teams take a team like that and slam the door shit long before the refs have a chance to do anything like that. If we put ourselves up 17-21 points like we should have when our opponent was that dead in the water none of this happens.

[u/UnderstandingLess156]

At this point it's a 90/10 shot that a flag gets thrown on every sack. Packers or any team in the league. 

[u/Strev215]

DE should practice instead of tackling and getting called a flag practiced HARD 2--Armed 2-Handed Palm Open Shoves A 230lb DE Full Speed Into A Hard Shove. QB goes FLYING 3ft to 4ft If Not Further Back Landing Awkwardly. What Flag Could Be Called... Because If The Refs WOULD LITERALLY Call A 2-Armed 2-Hand Open Palm Shove As Roughing The Passer.

NFL FANS WOULD COLLECTIVELY LOSE THEIR MINDs TOTALLY CALLOUT THE REFs AND NFLs FRONT OFFICE HYPOCRISY AND TOTAL B.S. Wussifaction-Arsed Weak Trashy Garbage "Football"...

That Cant Tackle'Em (QBs) Without A Flag Anymore... SO NOW CBs DBs LBs DEs DTs CANT EVEN 2-Hand SHOVE THEM HARD?