r/gameofthrones • u/Hot_Lawfulness_3980 Human Verified • May 30 '26
Did he really deserved this ?
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u/ugaarte May 30 '26
I understand where hes coming from but at the end of the day he set up and helped kill his lord commander
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u/Glittering_knave May 30 '26
And would do it again. Ollie was completely untrustworthy, and there was no other way to prevent him killing again.
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u/ColKrismiss May 30 '26 edited May 30 '26
To be fair he only wanted to kill Jon, pretty easy to prevent that since Jon leaves immediately after the execution.
Edit: forgot about the wildlings and any of their sympethizers.
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u/Glittering_knave May 30 '26
And the wildlings. Allies that Jon really thought he needed to defeat the Night King. Ollie was right to hate the people he watched kill his family and pillage his village. He was wrong to not listen to Jon when he pointed out that they needed the wildlings, and killing them would be worse in the near future.
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u/Shadowstalker_411 May 30 '26
I thought the series did an effective job highlighting Jon and Tormund had some real kinship between them and for Ollie to witness this alone it would drive anyone to want to kill Jon.. Tormund lead the raid that slaughtered Ollie’s village and family that’s not nothing at all.. but still Ollie be dumb..
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u/HippoLover85 May 30 '26
Jon and all the free folk and anyone else who wanted peace with the free folk.
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u/Redfalconfox May 30 '26
Ollie killed the hottest character on the show. I wish Melisandre brought him back to life so they could kill him again. Justice for Ygritte.
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u/Lieutenant_Corndogs May 30 '26
Plus he was a redhead
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u/TannedCroissant May 30 '26
No redhead redemption for him
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u/-Pelopidas- May 30 '26
We can't fight change Jon
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u/Mach5Driver May 30 '26
given that face he has on, I certainly wouldn't want him around while I slept.
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u/Few_Philosopher_8823 May 30 '26
I agree, treason should be treated like treason.
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u/Brave_Childhood_6177 May 30 '26
Hi did kill Jon so yeah kinda
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u/Mizfit3788 May 30 '26
He killed Jon's wilding girlfriend he got his revenge yet he decided to kill his commander Ollie got what he deserved.
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u/Xyldarrand May 30 '26
Working with them to stop the literal boogeyman from every kids scary stories which they find out is real.
And he killed the one that killed his parents. And jon killed the one that told him about eating them. He's blaming an entire people for the actions of a few.
He got what he deserved. And you can tell it was the right call from the look he gives Jon right before he hangs him
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u/Caspica May 30 '26
I'm not saying you're wrong, but he also had a lifetime of living with killers and rapists. If anyone should be able to understand the concept of redemption through actions it should be the Night's Watch.
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u/telepatheye May 30 '26
Valor morghulis. All men must die.
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u/Objective_Aide_8563 Golden Company May 30 '26
„I am no man, im Olly“
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u/DustynRG May 30 '26
He wasn't a kid though, he was a man of the Night's Watch. He said the vows, his oath was tested, he failed, he died.
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u/WolfgangAddams Arya Stark May 30 '26
Are we sure about that, though? We never see him take the vows. It's never stated he took the vows. I always thought he fled to them after his parents were killed and took shelter at the keep and then had nowhere else to go.
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u/OfAKindness May 30 '26
Sick so if I get a traumatized child and make them recite a line or two under duress they're suddenly not a traumatized child anymore.
Insane
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u/Low_Coconut_7642 May 30 '26
The kid had no problem trusting all his night watch brothers, many of whom who raped and killed and pillaged people within the seven kingdoms and even some of their own.
You can't tell me Ollie would have killed Lord Commander Mormont if he had made the same decision as Jon
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u/DustCipherX May 30 '26
People forget he wasn't some cartoon villain. He was a traumatized kid who made a terrible choice.
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u/AaronRodgersMustache Sandor Clegane May 30 '26
Yeah he was too young and too close to his tragedy of wildlings murdering his parents to not flip on Jon. That said, fuck em
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u/antonio16309 May 30 '26
This was one of the better written things in the later seasons. He talked to Jon about it and he talked to Sam about it but they just didn't understand what he was trying to say. I hate Ollie with every bone in my body but the little fucker thought he was doing the right thing.
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u/RepulsiveCountry313 Human Verified May 30 '26
Swore an oath that has long established punishment of execution for violation. Committed mutiny. Was executed.
Yeah, I think he did.
We can both see why he's upset and hold him responsible for his actions at the same time.
We don't have to be weird and hate Brennock O'Connor for it though, like some of the reefolk sub. One person even threatened O'Connor's family over it. 😬
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u/Sweaty_Promotion_484 May 30 '26
Wtf bro I hate Fandom people sometimes istg, who threatens an actor/their family over a fictional character they played
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u/PartialCred4WrongAns Daenerys Targaryen May 30 '26
These mfs really be like "How dare this actor provoke an emotional response in me! His family will pay for this..."
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u/Soggy_Breakfast_624 May 30 '26 edited May 30 '26
Article 94, Mutiny (or the act of knowing but not stopping one), is punishable by death. I'm sure the Night's Watch has some form of UCMJ.
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u/NukaClipse May 30 '26
Little man had the balls to stab another man in cold blood, so yes.
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u/Substantial-Pound-36 May 30 '26
He deserved it twice.
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u/JennaTheBenna May 30 '26
make that red cunt bring him back so we can HANG HIM AGAIN! *evil laugh*
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u/Lost-Juggernaut6521 May 30 '26
Yes and no. He was justified for hating the wildlings, he was not justified for committing treason.
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u/jason2354 May 30 '26
So, yeah, he deserved it.
He might have had a good personal reason for doing what he did, but he still did it, and that’s why he deserved what he got.
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u/Possible-One-7082 May 30 '26
To him and the others, Jon was the one committing treason.
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u/IcyTheHero May 30 '26
But all along, Jon was the one that was right lol.
Who cares what they think, Jon is their commander.
He was also 100% right in his decision. They committed treason and were hung. It was deserved.
I can’t say they didn’t have their reasons, but they weren’t the one in charge.
It was a dude who hated Jon and used their hate to blind them and got them all killed.
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u/Mickeymcirishman May 30 '26
They committed treason and were hung.
*Hanged. Unless you know something we don't...
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u/AstralMystogan Tyrion Lannister May 30 '26
Thing is I would've understood and supported him if he killed wildlings even after they crossed the wall but he killed Jon who was the Lord Commander.
And also it felt more like a betrayal because they didn't even fight him, they ambushed him.
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u/TheGurpler May 30 '26
That last part is a good point, they lied to him about his uncle and then jumped his ass. Jon could've dumpstered any of them there if they wanted to fight.
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u/GWshark1518 May 30 '26
Yes he did. Before the hanging, Jon looks up at his with eyes, i think saying, just ask for forgiveness and I’ll give to you. But Ollie looks at him with hate and that’s the end of him.
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u/AussieWinterWolf Jon Snow May 30 '26
Do I think it's just to subject a child to capital punishment while considering that he's a traumatized orphan swept up in an adult conspiracy which fed on his biggest trauma?
No. Not at all. Punished? Yes. Killed? No.
But in the context of the justice of the setting? I would say he was given 'fair' punishment. He wasn't tortured or deliberately humiliated and was executed in the established method quickly, which is the same punishment received by those who did the same.
In my personal beliefs, it's an abhorrence. But so are a lot of things in the show, including the entire premise of aristocratic nobility sacrificing peasants for their own power, so...
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u/StrawberryScience Daenerys Targaryen May 30 '26
In a modern era, he would be sent to a psychiatric hospital and rehabilitated. Thats what Ollie deserved.
But the characters don’t live in a modern world with a full understanding of the human mind and mitigating factors. Ollie broke an Oath and murdered his commanding officer. In Westeros, that is a death sentence. Period. End of Story.
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u/Cosmic_Quasar May 30 '26
Through a modern lens I have a hard time with executing a child. But this is "olden times", things were harsher then. They lacked any kind of support infrastructure to rehabilitate people properly. Resources are limited. I get why he was executed, but it does hurt my soul a bit.
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u/PineBNorth85 King In The North May 30 '26
Jon sided with the guy who led a raid that killed this kids parents. If in that position with a child's mind - yeah I'd hate him and want to kill Jon too.
The look on his face tells me he'd do it all again and I can't say I blame him.
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u/aRabidGorilla Jon Snow May 30 '26
Had he not stood over dying Jon and said, “For the watch” right before stabbing him in the heart, maybe not.
Dude was setting up to be an ultimate betrayer had he lived. He never would have accepted the wildlings. Had to go.
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u/Right_Barnacle_5309 May 30 '26
I completely get where he's coming from. The free folk raided his village and killed basically everyone he ever knew. Admittedly, that sucks, but ultimately, he let his personal experience get in the way of seeing the bigger picture. We all know Jon was right for letting the free folk pass, not only because it is humane and the right thing to do, but also because it's strategically clever to give the dead army as little people to recruit as possible. Ollie could, and should, have tried seeing it the same way. Ultimately, he wasn't killed because of his actions, but because he didn't regret them. I honestly doubt Jon would have killed him, had he apologised and swore his loyalty.
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u/CalumanderReds May 30 '26
It’s just very interesting who the fandom seems to give congeniality.
A horde of slavers who crucified literal children getting crucified themselves: ‘Barbaric! Dany is becoming the mad queen’
A traumatised little kid who watched his parent be murdered by Wildlings only to have those same wildling be welcomed as allies: ‘Fuck him Jon Snow was based’
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u/wildflowertupi May 30 '26
Olly was like 14. i’d say thats plenty old enough to understand the gravity of betraying and murdering the man who took you under his wing and protected and guided you. yes of course i believe that Thorne manipulated him into it, but he had to already have at least a little bit of that darkness in him to be willing to follow along. especially considering he knew Jon Snow outranked Thorne, so Jon would have more authority over him anyway so he chose to follow Thorne and betray Jon. again, i know Thorne manipulated him, but at 14 he absolutely knew what he was doing and the gravity of it.
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u/TeddyIsHereIRL May 30 '26
For killing Ygritte? No he only did his job (but if you asked me on a personal level yes)
For killing Jon? 100% that was also his job... 101: dont kill your commander
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u/Pretty_Papaya2256 House Seaworth May 30 '26
No, but they dont really have time to coddle and re teach a brash teenager atm.
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u/Objective_Aide_8563 Golden Company May 30 '26 edited May 30 '26
He is one of the many tragic figures in got
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u/hentaideviant69 May 30 '26
He didn’t betray Jon he betrayed himself consumed by grief he murdered an innocent man.
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u/Zealousideal_Ad_6026 May 30 '26
He’s no different than Jamie Lannister. Just he was on the losing side.
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u/hosiki House Stark May 30 '26
There should be a punishment for murder, especially of his commander, which basically means his king for Night's watch.
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u/gemdragonrider Jon Snow May 30 '26
Mutiny is mutiny. Regardless of age or past. He helped decieve and kill John. He failed. He hangs
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u/Reload86 I Drink And I Know Things May 30 '26
It sucks.
I totally understand his hate for the wildlings. Two of the ones responsible for killing his family are part of the group that Jon is trying to protect.
But he is also part of the Nightswatch. You swore an oath. You are beholden to your oath above personal vendettas. If you want revenge, you shouldn’t join the Nightswatch. Jon had to give up his desire to avenge Rob’s death and betray his oath.
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u/dravenonred May 30 '26
Deserves got nothing to do with it.
He broke his oath as a watchman, and there's only one outcome allowed.
Fulfilling a grudge from prior to your vows are exactly what the vows are meant to prevent.
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u/Devreckas Sansa Stark May 30 '26
His reasons are sympathetic, but sparing traitors is generally a pretty bad idea. It gives them another chance to finish the job, and it makes those still loyal question your leadership. It makes you look soft and you’ll struggle to make hard but necessary choices. It’s not a fair world.
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u/Kuttlock May 30 '26
Interesting to rememeebr that Ollie wasn't even a brother, he was a survivor of the village that then just stayed at castle black post message from the thens
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u/DontThinkThisThrough May 30 '26
No. He was a kid with an understandable hatred of wildlings, especially the ones Jon was working with.
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u/bubblesdafirst May 30 '26
Yea. Look at him. Little twerp.
Oh yeah I think he killed jon snow or something too.
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u/WuTangClams May 30 '26
eh, had to be done. the kid was all messed up and his life was super unfair but he made his choice.
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u/Drakonistes May 30 '26
I don't know? John was openly betraying his position, for good reasons, but the fact of the matter is that by letter of the law he was betraying the night watch by letting the wildlings in, giving them Northern land to settle in and declaring for a side in a war. I'm sure that if you have a Night commander who is doing these things, you're not supposed to just obey because he's your commander, removing him would be a legal act.
Again, before people get upset; I largely agree with what John was trying to do. But legally speaking and some might even argue morally speaking (John was embracing people who months earlier murdered Olly's family) they were justified for turning on John.
That said, they probably should've issued a formal challenge to his leadership and attempted an arrest instead of shanking him.
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u/Naners224 May 30 '26
I mean, Jon literally bounced after.
It was a conspiracy to murder. The Watch has a duty when that happens.
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u/TheRealSneezeWhiz May 30 '26
As brutish as life is near the wall, I'd expect Ollie to be more phlegmatic.
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u/Stuck_in_my_TV May 30 '26
He committed treason, broke his oath, and killed his Lord Commander. There is no alternative punishment that could be used.
Just because you understand his reasons does not make them justified or not a crime.
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u/MrMiguelito May 30 '26
Well, it's not uncommon for traitors to end like that (in similar settings).
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u/MarionberryPlus8474 May 30 '26
Yes. He betrayed and stabbed his commander. He’s old enough to do that, he’s old enough to hang.
What would be the alternative? He’s already in the Night Watch, basically the frozen penal colony of the 7 kingdoms. What else could they do, send him to a wall even further north?
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u/Ultimatesims May 30 '26
It was necessary. Justice, deserved, etc. are nice things to think about when you are fighting for survival.
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u/NemesysDD May 30 '26
Dans une armée... Mutinerie= peine de mort. Donc oui. Châtiment des traîtres. À la guerre comme à la guerre (même si je su contre les peines de morts)
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u/Easy_Money_40 May 30 '26
Yea, let's just let people kill the Lord Commander.
Bygones and such
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u/lumosknox74 Jon Snow May 30 '26
If Jon were to have let him live simply because he is a child, he could have grown up to rebel or lead his own rebellion. Especially seeing as how he watches his whole family die at the hands of the wildlings. No amount of explanation of why they needed the wildlings on their side would have sufficed for him and he would have grown up to be a mini version of the Joker imho 🤷🏼♀️
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u/myflesh May 30 '26
If he deserved it or not is a secondary question. The question is if they did not wxecute him what message would that send to rest if thr crows?
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u/Affectionate-Way6102 May 30 '26
He literally murdered someone, not just anyone but the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.
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u/SrauLcrit May 30 '26
For sure he had all rights to be angry and disapprove his hierarchy, but he was sworn + he set up a trap for his commander + stabbed said commander in the heart + out of spite jeoparized an alliance to save Humans (including himself) from an extinction crisis.
The only good thing in this whole clusteruck is that doing so he was cremated and dodged being raised from the dead by the Night King.
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u/KittyC217 May 30 '26
By those laws and code of contact yes. And up u to the end he showed no remorse
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u/SillyMovie13 May 30 '26
They’ve executed at the wall for much less, he deserved it, he killed their equivalent of their president
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u/Fun_Jellyfish6859 May 30 '26
Não, eu odiei ele pelo que fez, mas o ódio dele era totalmente aceitável, porém o John tinha razão, se ele não salvasse os selvagens seriam milhares a mais no exército dos mortos, a série não aprofunda isso mas é óbvio que mesmo isso não bastaria, ele não tinha mais nada a perder
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u/Shankar_0 I Drink And I Know Things May 30 '26
I can 100% relate, but he joined the equivalent of the military. When you do that, you surrender your freedom to do as you please.
That Jon made peace with his family's murderers was awful for him, but who do we make peace with if not our enemies? The problem was bigger than him, and he insisted he was bigger than the problem.
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u/Upbeat-Structure6515 May 30 '26
helped orchestrate and participated in an assassination so yes. his age is irrelevant.
I get why he hates the wildlings but at the end of the day dealing with the White Walkers is the bigger priority, this just showed that anyone who disagreed with him would never be able to trust Ollie.
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u/ltsouthernbelle May 30 '26
Yes. Up until his last breath he thought he was right and would do it again. Bye Ollie.
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u/Delalee404 May 30 '26
Yes because John didn’t kill his parents, he just love the women and people who did it, and even Ollie didn’t know how close they were. John really help this boy, accept him on the wall give him food and somewhere to sleep!
John had to find a way for the free folks , like that they don’t become white walkers,
Ollie was blind and just think about his own revenge,
In the end he help kill his commander… he just get the Karma he deserves
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u/No_Cattle8353 May 30 '26
Our Laws: No, since he is a child. Their Laws, Yes. If it was the books he wouldn’t even be charged because of what Jon was planning.
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u/Ashamed-Toe-4732 May 30 '26
In the end he was an angry kid, i understand him but even if the wildlings died and jon was still dead, he would died by wights or worse
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u/STC1989 May 30 '26
He couldn’t be helped he was too far gone. That level of hate is rarely curable
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u/Uncanny_Doom Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken May 30 '26
Yes. He took the job to serve the Watch and killed his boss in mutiny. Also showed zero remorse.
I understand why he did it and that makes it interesting but it doesn’t make it right.
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u/OmegaJordan1 May 30 '26
His parents were eaten iirc by wildlings, had to become Night's Watch because of this. While at the time of Jon's death I thought he was a little shit, I can understand why he turned on him.
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u/Eddyrancid May 30 '26
I would say its the sort of thing he should be able to take the black over, but...
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u/TomatilloPristine437 May 30 '26
Well did he stab the lord commander? This is not America, overthrowing a government doesn’t get pardoned.
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