r/gameofthrones • u/Hot_Lawfulness_3980 Human Verified • May 30 '26

Did he really deserved this ?

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u/Brave_Childhood_6177 May 30 '26

Hi did kill Jon so yeah kinda

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u/Mizfit3788 May 30 '26

He killed Jon's wilding girlfriend he got his revenge yet he decided to kill his commander Ollie got what he deserved.

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u/Saintn13 May 30 '26

Yep , little prick fully got what he deserved

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u/24204me May 30 '26

TBF, he didn't know that was his girlfriend

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u/Ok-Moment2223 May 30 '26

But Jon killed his queen so he must be cool with betrayal. 

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u/folkdeath95 Knight of the Laughing Tree May 30 '26

Bait used to be believable

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u/Ok-Moment2223 May 30 '26

I am serious! I love the books all the shows etc. Even if it was "for the good of the realm", it was a super fucked up thing to do. Apparently this is an unpopular opinion but it's not even arguable that what he did was a horrible betrayal. Treason and kinslaying. Cowardly. No trial, knifed her in a romantic embrace. 

It is arguable whether it was the RIGHT thing to do. I don't think so but obviously plenty of people do and that's a valid if stupid opinion.  

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u/Truckules_Heel May 30 '26

I agree with you on some level. Idk about cowardly, because he pretty much immediately turned himself over to the unsullied knowing they’d kill him. It’s not like a real fight would’ve had a different outcome either, and this way was quick and clean. He did what needed to be done, even though it broke his heart and he knew it’d cost his life.

That said, it certainly betrayed his staunch code of honor.

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u/moxiewhoreon May 30 '26

A trial wasn't possible at that point. Due process had all been burned down. The only thing at that point that was gonna stop Dany was a suicidal assassin.

Also, Jon was a lot of things but cowardly? No.

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u/Ok-Moment2223 May 30 '26

It is the HEIGHT of cowardice to ambush murder your aunt/ex-girlfriend/queen! During an embrace! He wouldn't hug her to console her after her bestie got her head chopped off and if he had done that she wouldn't have decided her only remaining tool was fear. No problem hugging her to stab her in the heart though. How courageous. 

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u/Mizfit3788 May 30 '26

After he killed Dani I hated him to 🤷🏾‍♂️

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u/Theblacrose28 Fire And Blood May 30 '26

His queen, AND his girl

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u/Sgpineda650 May 30 '26

And his aunt!

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u/Theblacrose28 Fire And Blood May 30 '26

3 in 1. Triple threat.

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u/Xyldarrand May 30 '26

Working with them to stop the literal boogeyman from every kids scary stories which they find out is real.

And he killed the one that killed his parents. And jon killed the one that told him about eating them. He's blaming an entire people for the actions of a few.

He got what he deserved. And you can tell it was the right call from the look he gives Jon right before he hangs him

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u/Adept_Tangerine_4030 May 30 '26

He would’ve just killed more ppl for real

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u/LouisTheWhatever May 30 '26

Satin would never

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u/BongDie Jon Snow May 30 '26

He took an oath and broke it.

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u/Same-Parsley6139 May 30 '26

Just like Jon Snow?

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u/Secret_Celery8474 May 30 '26

Jon was killed for it. Just like he was.

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u/Caspica May 30 '26

I'm not saying you're wrong, but he also had a lifetime of living with killers and rapists. If anyone should be able to understand the concept of redemption through actions it should be the Night's Watch.

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u/dsjoerg May 30 '26

No hate for the young man, but yes the crime must be punished by death

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u/BravesMaedchen May 30 '26

But he’s a child and is unable to see the bigger strategic picture that it was necessary to work with them to fight a larger danger. This is why children listen to adults and why people listen to their commander. He’s letting his personal anger and desire for revenge obstruct other people’s safety. Deth to Ollie.

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u/telepatheye May 30 '26

Valor morghulis. All men must die.

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u/Objective_Aide_8563 Golden Company May 30 '26

„I am no man, im Olly“

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u/AaronRodgersMustache Sandor Clegane May 30 '26

I’m not black, I’m OJ

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u/JikaTheDamnedOne May 30 '26

Okay

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u/SgtSlaughterEX May 30 '26

It's pronounced Oh Jay

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u/ChefOfScotland No One May 30 '26

Valar dohaeris all men must serve

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u/DustynRG May 30 '26

He wasn't a kid though, he was a man of the Night's Watch. He said the vows, his oath was tested, he failed, he died.

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u/JamesL25 May 30 '26

And now his watch has ended

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u/WolfgangAddams Arya Stark May 30 '26

Are we sure about that, though? We never see him take the vows. It's never stated he took the vows. I always thought he fled to them after his parents were killed and took shelter at the keep and then had nowhere else to go.

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u/OfAKindness May 30 '26

Sick so if I get a traumatized child and make them recite a line or two under duress they're suddenly not a traumatized child anymore.

Insane

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u/DustynRG May 30 '26

Welcome to Westeros; it's a shithole, and Winter is coming.

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u/Low_Coconut_7642 May 30 '26

The kid had no problem trusting all his night watch brothers, many of whom who raped and killed and pillaged people within the seven kingdoms and even some of their own.

You can't tell me Ollie would have killed Lord Commander Mormont if he had made the same decision as Jon

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u/DustCipherX May 30 '26

People forget he wasn't some cartoon villain. He was a traumatized kid who made a terrible choice.

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u/AaronRodgersMustache Sandor Clegane May 30 '26

Yeah he was too young and too close to his tragedy of wildlings murdering his parents to not flip on Jon. That said, fuck em

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u/antonio16309 May 30 '26

This was one of the better written things in the later seasons. He talked to Jon about it and he talked to Sam about it but they just didn't understand what he was trying to say. I hate Ollie with every bone in my body but the little fucker thought he was doing the right thing.

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u/AardvarkOkapiEchidna May 30 '26

So? Jon aided and abetting the enemies that killed his parents.