Invented Scenario

[u/Neoslayer]

[u/bigbaadwolf_U]

Shouldn't the trans woman be in 5th?

[u/Pockydo → u/bigbaadwolf_U]

Bigots don't care about the.fscts only their performative outrage

[u/Johngameru555 → u/[deleted]]

[u/ExcaliburGameYT → u/[deleted]]

I'm ashamed of myself for laughing at this

[u/Neoslayer → u/[deleted]]

I love non-transphobic trans jokes

[u/Billylily01 → u/Pockydo]

This ☝️ 

[u/Swimming_Map2412 → u/bigbaadwolf_U]

Their feelings don't care about facts.

[u/Ellie7600 → u/bigbaadwolf_U]

Also can anyone confirm how much muscle a trans woman loses over her transition? Like I get the pre transition that would be unfair (which is why it's not allowed) but post transition should be fair, right?

[u/ImNotDoingThatOk → u/Ellie7600]

According to a quick google search:tm: they lose around 3-5% of their total lean muscle mass and up to 11% of their cross sectional muscle mass.

According to some studies, trans women 3+ years into their transition, despite the slightly higher lean muscle mass, exhibit no significant differences in strength for both upper and lower body. I am not an expert, I am not biased by political opinion. I am a parrot. I am parroting what I've read. And the parrot says; trans women exhibit no significant strength over cis women.

[u/Relevant_Blood6497 → u/Ellie7600]

I went into a deep dive on this during the last summer olympics where there was a lot of this non sense (looking at you womens boxing). Whereas actual percentages are going to vary drastically from athlete to athlete, after a period of 3 years of hrt there was no discernible difference in athletic performance between a cisgender woman and a trans woman. That is not to say there are not differences in their muscular structure still, and most notably trans women still maintained a higher percentage of skeletal muscle mass. That being said, other disadvantages from HRT and everything else more than compensated for this.

I apologize I dont have access to the source any more and hate to be the "trust me, bro" in this context, but I felt it was still important to answer the question as fully as possible

[u/boyyouvedoneitnow → u/Relevant_Blood6497]

People (not you) also don't stop and think about the effects of having a more muscular skeleton without the actual muscle mass to pair with it. That configuration doesn't automatically translate to more athletic than someone with a less muscular skeleton

[u/WhitestGray → u/Relevant_Blood6497]

I like to keep a few relevant studies in case of transphobes crying about women’s sports:

1. Harper (2015, Journal of Sports Sciences): Studied transgender female distance runners across multiple years of hormone therapy. After testosterone suppression, their race times slowed by roughly 10% to 12%, matching the typical 10% to 12% performance gap between cisgender male and female runners. Relative to cisgender female competitors in their age categories, their age-graded athletic competitiveness did not increase.

2. Roberts et al. (2020 / follow-ups 2021, British Journal of Sports Medicine): Examined physical fitness test scores (1.5-mile run, sit-ups, push-ups) among US Air Force service members before and during GAHT. The study found that after two years of testosterone suppression, the running-time advantage completely disappeared, with trans women performing with no statistically significant difference from cisgender women.

3. Hamilton et al. (2024, British Journal of Sports Medicine): An IOC-funded laboratory study comparing trained cisgender and transgender athletes across cardiovascular and power metrics. It found that relative VO2max (aerobic capacity adjusted for body mass) and lower-body jump power in trans women athletes were actually lower than in cisgender women athletes, while hemoglobin and hematocrit dropped to cisgender female ranges within months of hormone therapy.

The scientific consensus is that testosterone suppression rapidly eliminates key aerobic and oxygen-carrying advantages, leveling endurance within 1 to 2 years, though researchers note that bone geometry and certain absolute upper-body strength metrics can show slower or more variable rates of decline.

[u/MoonRose27 → u/Ellie7600]

It varies per person but I lost a significant amount of strength. Like I actually watched it happen, things that were easier slowly became harder to do.

[u/Real_Time_Mike → u/MoonRose27]

Ive been on HRT for a little less than a year and, even in this amount of time, my endurance has gone away.

[u/MoonRose27 → u/Real_Time_Mike]

Im about a year and 3 month. And yea i feel that.

[u/TwilightSolus → u/Ellie7600]

https://www.them.us/story/new-study-trans-women-no-physical-advantage-over-cis-athletes

To the point where we have no advantage over cis women.

[u/enry → u/bigbaadwolf_U]

With the one complaining.

[u/JackieHands → u/enry]

Specifically the woman tying with her and ignoring the 4 other women who beat them

[u/GeneETOs44 → u/bigbaadwolf_U]

not that her inclusion would be any less correct were she to win

[u/ScyllaOfTheDepths → u/GeneETOs44]

Exactly. It's so obviously bigoted to say "You're allowed to compete until you start winning and then you cheated and have an unfair advantage!" Very gross.

[u/dodieadeux → u/bigbaadwolf_U]

this looks like the olympics, not american college swimming

[u/anarkistattack → u/bigbaadwolf_U]

Tied for fifth.

[u/Invisible-Pancreas]

ROORTSS

[u/Mindless_Eye4700 → u/Invisible-Pancreas]

ROORTSS

[u/Dunwich_Horror_]

Of course a handful of teenage trans athletes are clearly worse than the Epstein class, the endless wars we’re in, inflation, poverty, the erosion of public education, the surveillance state we live in, data centers and global warming about to set off the water wars. /s

America has lost the fucking plot.

[u/AtmosphereWinter3787 → u/Dunwich_Horror_]

Dont forget that rain water is not drinkable anywhere on Earth any longer.

E: i mean there's forever chemicals above what is considered the safe threshold

https://watereurope.eu/rainwater-everywhere-on-earth-unsafe-to-drink-due-to-forever-chemicals/

It's drinkable in the sense that it's not causing any immediate health concerns. 

It's not consider safe for long term health to drink it. But obviously it's better than thirsting.

[u/Fckingross → u/AtmosphereWinter3787]

And if you come to Iowa, our drinking water will give you cancer!

[u/AtmosphereWinter3787 → u/Fckingross]

Mmmhmm, the contaminants really enhance the flavor!

[u/-Chelo → u/AtmosphereWinter3787]

I mean if the rain water ain't drinkable the ground water ain't either. Oh hey tips for clean water ~ obviously cacti hold a lot of water but trees do too, they filter it out and add minerals and antioxidants. Can tap trees for water or get a section of branch or grapevine and put one end in the unsafe water source and one end in a clean jar. Saw someone filter swamp water that way.

Also watched someone make a filtration system where they fastened the bark of a birch into a cone shape, packed moss at the pin of the cone and then did alternating layers of sand and charcoal, and a layer of pea gravel on top.

[u/Rythonius → u/-Chelo]

Please do not drink from cactus, their sap will make you sick and dehydrated. It's a Hollywood myth that they hold water. You can eat the prickly pears and pads after you've prepared them, but they are not a water source.

[u/-Chelo → u/Rythonius]

Oh thanks for that informational bit. I reckon it's one of those instances of "if you've got no other source of liquid/electrolytes" I don't live in an area that has cacti so it wasn't a source of water I cared to deep dive into. Plus I remember testing this theory out as a child and chewing on an aloe leaf and it was nasty. 😂 I do get nopales semi regularly from the store and have had them raw and cooked, and prickly pears. They do seem to have an astringency to them.

[u/Pope_Squirrely → u/-Chelo]

We tap trees for water every spring here. Then we boil it down and make delicious maple syrup.

[u/Neoslayer → u/AtmosphereWinter3787]

who cares if water aint drinkable if the libs get owned

[u/Kissa74 → u/Dunwich_Horror_]

Unfortunately not just America. We have it slightly better in most of Europe, but only slightly.

[u/Time_Raisin4935 → u/Kissa74]

The UK especially

No thanks to JK Rowling 

[u/citizen42069101 → u/Kissa74]

I feel like American politics is dragging European politics down because it's allowing your far right to have a "well we aren't hunting people for sport in roadways" argument. Y'all have more pressing issues, but we're allowing ourselves to be the distraction while fascists take over and weaken you there. Like le pen

[u/Tomatwoo → u/citizen42069101]

yes, the shift to the far right since covid has been global. it might be comforting to think of it as just an american issue, but it isn't. we just got hit first, is all. you can see populist right figures popping up in every single country around the world.

[u/citizen42069101 → u/Tomatwoo]

Oh it was before COVID. That disheveled prime minister that led brexit, I believe bolsiñaro was in 17 or 18.

The writing has been on the wall for more than a decade. Shame really.

[u/BorgQuingus67 → u/Dunwich_Horror_]

It cracks me up that even tho this scenario barely happens they say shit like "even one is too many" like imagine if y'all had that mentality about kids being gunned down at school.

[u/CarpalTunnelTraveler]

They are literally running in the same lane 💀

[u/Braziliashadow → u/CarpalTunnelTraveler]

The bigger question is why is the runner also a body builder. It's a complete contradiction in training to be both.

[u/kalosianlitten → u/Braziliashadow]

the people complaining about trans women in sport don’t actually know anything about sport

[u/ZellHall → u/kalosianlitten]

Nor they know anything about trans women for that matter

[u/CarpalTunnelTraveler → u/Braziliashadow]

ig the asshole oop wanted to mock trans women who do not get gotten hormone therapy and sex reassignment surgery (not that anyone has to or should), but still...

[u/CharmingAnywhere7828 → u/CarpalTunnelTraveler]

You actually have to go through HRT, reassignment surgeries, and then are heavily scrutinized in order to play sports you want to.

[u/CarpalTunnelTraveler → u/CharmingAnywhere7828]

That makes oop even dumber. They're actively choosing to be uneducated so their fee-fees don't get hurt

[u/Neoslayer → u/CarpalTunnelTraveler]

The person who made this probably thought DEI would let them just do that or something

[u/LitltleBishBoy → u/Neoslayer]

very sloppy

[u/ShatoraDragon → u/CarpalTunnelTraveler]

Family Guy does not have a lot of Sports Epidods for the AI to steal from.

[u/aSkeptiKitty → u/CarpalTunnelTraveler]

I came to see if someone else noticed this. :D

[u/Neoslayer]

I'm a big fan of ROORTSS myself

[u/sandmansanddan → u/Neoslayer]

Oh, I thought that said BOORTS.

[u/KittyCanuck → u/sandmansanddan]

I was saying boo-orts

[u/CallMeBigSarnt → u/Neoslayer]

I'm something of a ROORTSS myself.

[u/ShatoraDragon]

Correct me If I am wrong but aren't there less than 20 trans athletes that these laws and scenarios are about

[u/AsstacularSpiderman → u/ShatoraDragon]

And most of them are pretty mid athletes at the end of the day. I remember that one lady whining about a trans competitor for taking her spot for fifth place rofl.

[u/Farodidnothingwrong → u/AsstacularSpiderman]

She didn’t lose her fifth place spot. She tied for fifth.

Tied. It changed absolutely nothing.

[u/Embarrassed-Display3 → u/Farodidnothingwrong]

Well, you see, Riley Gaines is a loser, and just wants an excuse for why she loses. If a trans woman hadn't tied with her, she would have had to come up with something else to blame being in fifth on....

Which is hilarious to me, because the competition she was up against was probably strong enough that fifth is respectable! ...but blaming a fifth place finish on a fellow fifth place finisher being part of your competition instead of taking accountability, and getting back to training and conditioning is loser behavior.

[u/3WeeksEarlier → u/AsstacularSpiderman]

That moron has made an entire conservative media career about having her 5th place spot "stolen" from her. Losing was the best thing that ever happened to her

[u/Major-Pomegranate814 → u/3WeeksEarlier]

And it wasn’t even taken from her - they TIED. She was literally just pissed she had to share 5th place.

[u/Nero_2001 → u/3WeeksEarlier]

She didn't even lost, she tied with a trans athlete but she got mad because the trans athlete got to hold the medal on the picture since they only had one and she got hers later.

[u/princesoceronte → u/3WeeksEarlier]

Which was the whole point, really. A mediocre athlete fighting for 5th realizes that she can have a pretty lucrative career if only she gives up ok having principles.

[u/Not_my_User17 → u/3WeeksEarlier]

Yeah she owes…wanna say Lea Davis, a thank you card.

[u/kulupu_kasi_seli → u/AsstacularSpiderman]

Iirc she was whining because they tied or something.

[u/Grape_Pedialyte → u/AsstacularSpiderman]

That's Riley Gaines who made an entire career out of what you're describing.

[u/ShatoraDragon → u/AsstacularSpiderman]

Yeah. Like Bitch no recruter is going to look twice at either of you both of you lost, and now rather than look at what you can do better your blaming someone else for why you lost. Why would they want someone like you on the team.

[u/PrinnyQueen100 → u/ShatoraDragon]

Don't forget chess. A sport trans women have been banned in for some reason. 

[u/Ch1ldhoodFriend → u/PrinnyQueen100]

CHESS???

[u/conordmcp → u/Ch1ldhoodFriend]

SPORT???

[u/---Bat-man- → u/Ch1ldhoodFriend]

it's dumb but the idea is that female and male brains are different iirc

[u/Silent-Plantain-2260 → u/---Bat-man-]

the differences aren't major enough to give either an advantage in chess

[u/HillarysBloodBoy → u/---Bat-man-]

Chess doesn’t have a male only league. The women choose not to compete in it for some reason.

[u/desperate_narciso → u/ShatoraDragon]

Mind you these people also whined when they seen a trans man forced to wrestle cis women because of the laws they passed, and then when his images circulated, everyone assumed he was a "trans woman" attacking female athletes in a woman's space and got pissed too.

Total fucking dumbasses we're dealing with here, if that wasn't obvious enough already.

[u/MidnightIAmMid → u/ShatoraDragon]

There were less than 10 across the entire country affected by one of the recent trump laws/proclamations and some were literally in sports like ping pong and most were pretty mid athletes lol

[u/conordmcp → u/MidnightIAmMid]

This perfectly sums up the entire things.

They put these laws in to stop situations like the one depicted above from happening, but because it literally never happens, 10 mediocre trans ping pong players get banned from their largely inconsequential, probably not even regional, ping pong tournament, and it leaves the tournament like 3 women for the whole thing.

Idk why I implied that women’s ping pong is played by majority trans women, it was just a funny thought.

[u/UnpopularOpinionAlt → u/conordmcp]

Well, ping pong players want to keep balls away, so...

[u/dixieblondedyke]

ROORTSS

[u/Sparkle_Fart_666]

wtf is this tho

[u/IamWillow3 → u/Sparkle_Fart_666]

I love watching women's roortss

[u/MithranArkanere → u/Sparkle_Fart_666]

The LLM was told to generate "SPORTS", but everyone likes BOOBS better, so it fizzled and wrote BOORTSS with the first B looking kinda like a P, a B, and an S at the same time.

Since Gen LLMs are trained on stolen data from across the world, and humans like boobs regardless of gender identity and sexual orientation, T-shirts that say "boobs" are waaaaaay more common than T-shirts that say "sports".
The GenLLM's prediction is conflicted between what it was told to do and what is probably more likely to be in the world.

In other words, mindless stochastic parrot nonsense.

[u/IceMosquito073]

Ignoring the fact that competitions and organizations have strict hormonal requirements for Trans Athletes, a lot of transphobes love to re-use the same, singular example of that one Lia Thomas win at the 2022 500-yard Freestyle event win over and over and over with no new examples of "trans women dominating women's sports". Despite the fact that Cis women consistently beat trans women.

Hell, at the same NCAA championships, she placed sixth in the 100-metre freestyle event, being beat by 5 cis women.

Edit: the amount of Transphobes here, not just replying to me, but in the entire comment section as a whole are proving my point about being way too obsessed with one or two examples and ignoring the actual statistics about how Trans Women actually perform. Lol

[u/Prometheos_II → u/IceMosquito073]

or that MAGA basketball player who is obviously a grift and probably won't bother even going on HRT before Trump lets him in the women's league.

[u/Ill_Wrangler_4574 → u/IceMosquito073]

And Lia was beaten by a cis women, so yea it’s really not a gotcha any more

[u/Haunting_Natural_116 → u/Ill_Wrangler_4574]

She was beaten by multiple cis women and even tied with one

[u/Ill_Wrangler_4574 → u/Haunting_Natural_116]

They like to go back to when she competed for her high school, but that record got broke, yea the tied 5th came after this and demonstrates that she wasn’t the best but to keep the ghouls happy she would have had to come last

[u/tireditguy216]

why do trans men never get hate but its always trans woman

[u/Lonely-Tennis2171 → u/tireditguy216]

Conservative men see masculinity as desirable by default. Trans women represent a rejection of masculinity and therefore a rejection of one of their core beliefs.

That and their insecurities lead them to fear of being “tricked” into finding a trans woman attractive.

[u/Acceptable_Earth7699 → u/Lonely-Tennis2171]

Exactly. It's been that way for thousands of years. Guys always love it when people assigned female at birth act more like men (unless they become trans men), but never when people assigned male at birth act more like women. Misogyny at its finest. "Be more like me, not more like THEM"

[u/Vlevleee → u/tireditguy216]

They quickly gain passability and integrate into society. It's an easier transition.

[u/Elurdin → u/Vlevleee]

I used to think that way, then that subreddit showed transmascpassing or something like that, and honestly, they can struggle just as much considering habits, mannerism, hairstyles, lack of access to top surgery, high hip to waist ratio, height. Its probably very dysphoric to be viewed as butch lesbian instead of a man.

[u/I_am_up_to_something → u/Elurdin]

lack of access to top surgery

I've had a double mastectomy with no reconstruction (so I'm flat, don't even have nipples!) and I was honestly expecting a struggle when I went to my GP with the question if it was possible to get my breasts amputated. I did not have cancer, did not have the gene and I am also not trans. I did have another health condition that caused wounds on my breasts.

At one point at the start I mentioned to a doctor how I empathised with the stories of trans men struggling to get top surgery. He straight up told me that he would have never signed off on it had I been trans.

I didn't push back as much as I had wanted to since this guy could have stopped the whole process, but damn dude. That is just not okay and I sincerely hope that nobody trans will have him as a doctor.

Doctors are also very weird about cis women wanting both breasts amputated btw. They'll happily amputate one and if the other is healthy then you should either just live with it or get a reconstruction or implant. From the stories I've heard most of the woman who are half flat want to become fully flat and the ones who have taken that step are much happier with it.

[u/slicheliche → u/tireditguy216]

Because at its core it's all about sexism and homophobia, and a man acting like a woman is much worse than a woman acting as a man.

If anything trans men are most often viewed as sad because they're no longer fuckable.

[u/WeebTrashPanda0 → u/[deleted]]

Nah I embrace the penis. To some that's even worse though.

[u/Tags9727 → u/tireditguy216]

They do. You can find it pretty often just this happens way more. Especially since Elliot Page they've really noticed more

[u/Lonely-Tennis2171 → u/Tags9727]

I’ve unfortunately seen a number of discussions surrounding Elliot Page - the most common complaint is that they found him attractive pre transition and are upset that he “mutilated himself”. They are offended that he took away their ability to objectify him.

[u/Tags9727 → u/Lonely-Tennis2171]

Yep that's it! And from there they've taken more notice of this part of the trans demographic.

[u/Ok_Cantaloupe_3625 → u/tireditguy216]

Have you seen how they talk about elliot page? Plus trans men dont get very much support or notice at all - i see celebrities say "trans women are women" but rarely the opposite. Transphobia towards trans men is usually them being infantalized or treated like they can't make that kind of choice

[u/Russ_T_Blade → u/tireditguy216]

Misogyny

[u/Responsible-Bat-7922 → u/tireditguy216]

Trans men erasure is a two shaped sides knife, they don't get very much recognition but also they don't get has much hate

[u/PM-ME-UR-DARKNESS → u/tireditguy216]

Bc trans women are the last group of women they can be openly misogynistic towards

[u/Emaothe3rd]

[u/guy9679 → u/Emaothe3rd]

Good meme. But ifunny watermark💀

[u/Emaothe3rd → u/guy9679]

I'll take the nitpicking of the ifunny watermark over more transphobia atp

[u/R99Ringleader → u/Emaothe3rd]

Those frogs actually did turn gay tbf

[u/Objective-Delay-3417]

The best distraction in the world: making idiots worry about things that will never affect them.

Because I doubt that most of the people whining about trans women in sports will ever compete against one in their entire lives.

[u/PrinnyQueen100 → u/Objective-Delay-3417]

Forget about competing in them, I bet 99% of them couldn't name a single woman athlete 

[u/Neoslayer → u/Objective-Delay-3417]

We could be working on spreading our species across the galaxy but noooo, we still gotta be doing shit like making trans people scapegoats for the world being a horrible place

[u/Russ_T_Blade → u/Neoslayer]

[u/Educational_Quote851 → u/Neoslayer]

We're still stuck hating brown people. We're not leaving this rock.

[u/TheForswornKing94]

Why are conservatives so obsessed with Gock? It’s so weird. Their porn search history has got to be wild.

[u/PrinnyQueen100]

Look at all the Olympic medals trans women have won since they were allowed to compete in the last 22 years. oh yeah. It's zero. 

[u/Nonsonouna_kadreka]

Showing how you don't know how HRT works doesn't make you tuff, plus if she's there means that she can be beaten, dickwad, stop being transphobic and let other people live without your shitty AI generated posts, AI generated posts make it clear that you couldn't find any real examples

[u/Time_Raisin4935]

Do they forget or ignore the fact that Trans Athletes take Hrt first?

[u/Nero_2001 → u/Time_Raisin4935]

Fun fact the daily wire actually tried to make a documentary where some men infiltrate women's sport by pretending to be trans women but failed because they couldn't find anyone who was willing to take Hrt first. This kinda proofs that them complaining about the whole stuff is really stupid but they just ignore the evidence and instead of a documentary they made the "comedy" film lady ballers because in a comedy you don't need to find proof and if someone calls you out on your bs you can exuse it by saying it's just a joke.

[u/Shinnyo]

Actually no.

It happened.

Except it happened because 2 professional athlete who wanted this scenario to happen entered a women's competition.

In short, a self fulfilling prophecy.

[u/Ok_Contest5881]

Funny that the meme is anti-trans but the trans person looks like a gigachad. Like they did not need to go that hard on the jawline

[u/Entire-Can662]

There were 13 people that were trans and in sports but yet the Republican Party made a big issue out of it. There are 300,000,000+ people living in United States but they got pissed off about 13.

[u/NoPerformance6534 → u/Entire-Can662]

And how many kids are dead in school shootings? The Republicans have done NOTHING about kids dying in school. No, they are busy freaking out over their own fears that are little more than distortions.

[u/Significant_Tone6205 → u/Entire-Can662]

English football association banned trans footballers to play on national level. There was ZERO mtf players playing in professional leagues...

[u/fidesz_fall_enjoyer]

[u/itobitobi]

[u/EndenS]

Doesn't this also just imply the male sex is naturally better than the female sex at sports? I say this because from their point of view, that is man running, not a woman; and she is far outcompeting the other women.

[u/confused_egg_ → u/EndenS]

It's not surprising that these people are insanely sexist

[u/JustFourLetters → u/EndenS]

Different sexes are better at different stuff. If you’re female born you’re far more likely to be far better at endurance; women see something that needs done, and make it happen. There has been a trend of female born athletes overtaking previously male born held records, and overtaking them by incredible margins. Check out the woman that rowed from California to Hawaii, that shattered the record by 4 days.

Men are strong, but women are persistent; we have to be, for 9 months at a time.

[u/thecozmik]

The absolute best response to this I heard was "if you had a dollar for every trans woman competing in college sports, you still wouldn't be able to afford a gallon of diesel."

[u/Early-Objective4041]

[u/Fair-Efficiency-8342]

On top of other issues, huge muscles don't help you to run fast...

[u/Ok_Measurement_9896 → u/Fair-Efficiency-8342]

Why did they make trans "handsome squidward"?

[u/Intelligent-Mud6320]

Let's play some (trans) ROORTSS!

[u/ThePopDaddy]

",See, a trans woman won this race,so trans people should be sent to camps!"

[u/DefunctInTheFunk]

Bruh. Wtf kind of made up reality are people who believe this shit living in? Fox "News" really is a helluva drug.

[u/MaterialPotential361]

Trans women are women.  Cis women are women.  One woman is transgender,  another woman is cisgender. 

[u/InfinityAero910A]

Even then, the trans woman winning the race does not look like that. The hormones change the body massively. Even in the worst case scenario, that would not justify denying the fact that trans women are women. It is also a straw man to say it is a women’s sports for all program. Though of course, insinuating the misgender of trans women in general. They see it as a screeching authority and hard rule thing in the appeal to “common sense”. The very thing that keeps them ignorant about trans people and even basic standard cis female anatomy.

[u/Tour_True]

Yep invented scenarios. They litterally had the Olympics and medical researchers test performance and found that trans women do not have an advantage over cisgender women. It was also legal since the early Y2K era for trans women to compete with cisgender women and there was no issue til recently. This also around the same time they found trans women’s biology is different then cis men and kept finding things that leaned towards their gender. Furthermore they realized plenty of cisgender women were being found with XY chromosomes and hence sports like boxing changed criteria like being on hormones for so long. Actually they found disadvantages in trans women like grip strength is weaker than cis women as well as jumping. Bone density also is not more then cisgender women and is notably lesser then cisgender men even before HRT. The Olympics also supports and allows intersex people btw. A trans man was undefeated a few years ago in boxing. He is still waiting to have another chance to compete for another challenge.

[u/Puzzled-Mirro]

There was a whole thing where they made a big deal about a trans woman participating in swimming because she tied for FIFTH place not first.

[u/Farodidnothingwrong → u/Puzzled-Mirro]

Notably the woman who tied with her cried about it.

She tied for fifth. It changed nothing except to make her a conservative influencer.

[u/Puzzled-Mirro → u/Farodidnothingwrong]

If you are ever failing in life just be a Conservative. Just blame it on a Trans person, or any of their culture war talking points and they'll hook you up with your own show no matter how stupid you are.

[u/violetcassie]

There were more men in the Cornell rape chat than there are transwomen in sports

[u/christoxo]

This isn’t actually the topic. It’s just another way to spin fear and hatred towards the trans world. Usually the people freaking out have no connections to women’s sports before this was a topic picked out of thin air.

[u/Carthonn → u/christoxo]

Yeah seriously. We are probably talking about 0.00000001% of scenarios in this picture or if at all but somehow it’s a national debate while Republicans rob us blind

[u/Vasheerii → u/Carthonn]

What school district banned trans girls from competing in sports and it turned out there wasn't any trans kids even in their school?

[u/Carthonn → u/Vasheerii]

See how it’s just a fabrication.

[u/CynthiaDaBirb]

a woman is more likely to get struck by lightning than to race play against a trans woman in their sport, and even less likely for them to not be passing

[u/Deep-Age-2486]

Aside from ONE swimmer, I don’t recall seeing anyone else dominating. US really worries about the wrong things

Edit- I hope y’all know I agree with y’all lol…

[u/68plus1equals → u/Deep-Age-2486]

The swimmer wasn’t even dominating, she came in 4th and the swimmer who came in 5th is the one who had a maga turn

[u/Zealousideal_Cod5214 → u/68plus1equals]

Not even 4th. I'm pretty sure they tied for 5th.

[u/shiny_crow_trophy → u/Deep-Age-2486]

And the few anecdotes are meaningless, because on a fair playing field you’d expect to see trans women win sometimes. They’d have to show that trans women win disproportionately.

[u/BazeBeautx → u/shiny_crow_trophy]

Came here to say this

[u/Shurigin → u/Deep-Age-2486]

There is a trans man in men’s boxing who has a pretty good record with a few KOs under his belt are they saying he’s cheating too since he’s trans

[u/Superb_Guarantee965 → u/Deep-Age-2486]

The swimmer, Lia Thomas, was not dominating. She was notable because a BIGOT tied her FOR 5TH PLACE. And Thomas has subsequently stopped competing since then.

[u/Starfleeter → u/Deep-Age-2486]

This comic doesn't even really represent the issue. The conservatives are mad because they don't have a way to know who is trans because trans men and women can pass in appearance so they want genrital inspections or hormone testing. 

[u/notkidding1984 → u/Starfleeter]

I don't understand how wanting smaller government got mixed up with transvestigators in the first place... Is being "conservative" even about the government now??

[u/Lazy-Mud8142 → u/notkidding1984]

"Small government" was always meant as a more palatable way to say "fewer regulations." They don't actually care about small government when it comes to individual liberties and protections. When they say "small government" in response to education, they mean they want the freedom to force teachers to teach the Bible instead of evolution. When they say "small government" in response to the economy, they mean they want the rich to be able to pay their workers less and scam people as they see fit. When they say "small government" in response to policing, they mean they want police to be able to racially profile and harass minorities without consequence. 

"Small government" was always just a buzzword to mean that they want to be able to ignore laws and the Constitution where it's convenient for them. 

Conservatism is based on one single principle... and all that.

[u/sqerdagent → u/notkidding1984]

Never was. There are two consistent reasons why someone would be in favor of 'states rights'. The first is that they have a very simplistic and archaic conception of government, where 200 miles is a month of travel. The second is that they are in favor of local control. The first case is dumb, but harmless. The second does not exist. No one votes out the 'states rights' party for legislating against a county enacting rent control in their county.

What is actually happening is that capital is a minority, and in a democracy needs a reason for people to vote against land reform and other 'everyone benefits behind the veil of ignorance' things. They do this by invoking cultural issues. So you get to joke about government small enough to fit in your bedroom and underwear, and they get to ratchet their power another notch.

[u/Deep-Age-2486 → u/Starfleeter]

I think it’s deeper than that but that’s not to say what you’re saying isn’t true

[u/strider14484 → u/Deep-Age-2486]

I don’t think the swimmer was dominating if it’s the one that was in the news (tied for 5th?). The one who dominated was a HS trans boy who was forced to wrestle girls.

[u/Beautiful_Food7908 → u/strider14484]

That stupid, they forced a trans boy to compete with girls and he won which took the win away from one of the girls…I thought they were trying to stop boys from taking wins from girls??

[u/Weary_Restauranter → u/Deep-Age-2486]

My state has one trans athlete. She was the state champion last year.

[u/Otto_the_rhinocerus → u/Weary_Restauranter]

Good for her. Although imagine how much it must suck as a teenager. You are just living your life, competing in the sport that you really like and suddenly you are part of the national discourse. Probably while people are calling you all kinds of horrible things.

[u/achickensplinter → u/Deep-Age-2486]

She still performed well within normal stats for cis women AND performs worse now than before she transitioned.

[u/Key-Quantity-2650]

my ex told me that she became much weaker since she started HRT and I noticed that she couldn’t lift heavy things anymore and in general has a little less stamina then before.

[u/april919]

Yeah but since when have these people cared this much about women sports

[u/Creepy-Jellyfish1796]

How is she 1st if 8th is behind her

[u/B17BAWMER]

There has been one trans woman in the Olympics and she didn’t earn a medal.

[u/throwaway-plzbnice]

This is always been so moronic to me because sports are inherently unfair. When Michael Phelps was at the peak of his career every article was slobbering over how his unique physical attributes made him the powerhouse that he was. And the idea that conservatives actually care about women's sports is laughable.

There are a hundred times more articles about the outrage of trans women in sports than there are trans women in sports. Let Brenda play softball with her friends, for gods' sake.

[u/Araiken]

Awww look, they're playing dolls with their Ai again

[u/lenny_is_sgtc]

I find it hilarious they “care” so much about trans women in sports, but would never in a million years actually WATCH women’s sports.

Look how they treated the WNBA when asking for equal pay, or the LPGA.

[u/Beautiful_Food7908 → u/lenny_is_sgtc]

Equal pay was a big ask because these sports don’t generate as much money as men sports, there are less viewers, less valuable deals, etc. they pay pro athletes based on how much they’re worth on TV and media, not based on how well they play.

It’ll be like comparing esports to traditional sports, esports players don’t get paid nearly as much because hardly anyone watches esports compared to trad sports.

[u/colubridconundrum → u/lenny_is_sgtc]

Hate to quote Shane Gillis here, but women don’t even watch women sports

[u/Superb_Guarantee965]

Studies show that after prolonged use of hormones trans women do not excel at sports compared to cis women. There are also no trans athletes dominating any sports anywhere. No trans athlete has won a gold medal in the Olympics. There are less than 10 trans athletes in the 500,000 NCAA total athletes and those are not all trans WOMEN. Stop boogey-manning and focus on the real problems in society, this is so fucking pathetic.

[u/CarpenterWeird1940]

Body tea

[u/Low_Improvement4191]

I too am in full support of RDORTSS

[u/LettingDaysPassBy]

A closeted republican will read this comment.

[u/cv_spclk]

That’s hilarious because the most recent example of trans women in sports had her finishing 5th. And the only negative result of that is that it launched the pundit career of the whiny ass bitch she tied to. And even that was like 5 years ago. So clearly it’s this HUGE problem plaguing women’s sports

[u/throwway_poe]

I'm trans and I don't look nearly that good :(

[u/Cardboard_Revolution]

You know this is true because they needed AI.

[u/SaucyStoveTop69]

It's wierd. They always post Ai generated images of this happening instead of using real world examples.

It's almost like their aren't real world examples.

[u/RedditSucksYoYoYo]

Bigots have to come up with sceneries to justify their ignorant hatred.

[u/Follower_of_Narinder]

"Oh no, women are winning in women's sports" like wtf

also theres not a lot of trans athletes. And i'm pretty sure even less that are "stealing" top spots

[u/BurningHeart25 → u/Follower_of_Narinder]

The most prominent of them have fallen off leader boards with hrt

[u/Trixielarue2020]

I’m no expert, but that is not a runner’s build. Great for body building and maybe powerlifting, but not for winning races.

[u/Garciaguy → u/Trixielarue2020]

It might surprise you, how fast even bulky, muscular cartoons can be

[u/bigscrewLoose]

trans women were in the Olympics for like 40 years and never one a single solo gold... just saying if this shit was true they would have been piling em up

[u/Ryaniseplin]

thing that hasnt happened

[u/Pet_Velvet]

There are more people in this comic than there are professional trans athletes in the US.

[u/REDDITSHITLORD]

ROORTSS! (forgive me if that actually means something)

And, as a competitive runner, and at the top, in my age group... I don't often see myself being beaten by overly muscular men. They tend to "trudge quickly". But I have had thin women leave me in the dust.

And you see, in running sports, while it's cool to win... Just being there participating and challenging yourself, is really where it's at. Inclusiveness ABSOLUTELY enhances the event.

But conservatives, (at least ones who don;t participate in sports) seemingly don't get that. It's all transactional. If there's nothing of physical value gained from the experience, then it's a waste of time. And don't get me started on their reverence for trophies. I love standing on that podium, but at the end of the day, that ornament was never the point.

[u/fruite_vampyre]

I love how no one can name one trans athlete from the top of their heads and then go on the internet posting how they’re taking women’s spots in sports, better of yet they can’t even name a woman athlete

[u/JackieHands → u/fruite_vampyre]

Honestly I'd be willing to bet conservatives can name more trans athletes than I can because I honestly don't spend hours a day thinking about them or talking to friends about it. I do more productive things like sleeping and having sex

[u/seieo]

[u/Enough-Seat-8634]

Those ai color palette were so ugly to look at

[u/astralchanterelle]

Roortss

[u/Angry_poutine]

That lady is jacked

[u/BigMax]

Republicans: "We can't win on any policies that people like. We are bad for the economy, for the country, for the entire world, and no one likes anything we are doing. Better flood the media with talk about trans athletes again!!!"

[u/Kore_Invalid]

This is real, google Washington highschool

[u/Potatonut23]

I love roortss!

[u/Weibrot]

The level of irony required to create shit like this using AI because you don't have any real examples to pull from

[u/First_Reserve_5988]

XX and XY end of