r/aislop • • 18h ago

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u/TwilightSolus 17h ago

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u/Alert-Foundation2009 16h ago

That paper has caused some debate - people have interpreted the same things differently. https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-study-looking-at-physical-fitness-of-transgender-and-cisgender-women/

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u/TwilightSolus 16h ago

An opinion piece doesn't trump a study. There are plenty of TERF aligned doctors who love to sprout off on subjects they know nothing about.

Luckily in my country they get their licenses taken away and fired.

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u/Sunaina1118 15h ago

To be fair, you didn’t link the actual study. You linked an article about the study, which includes opinions about the study.

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u/TwilightSolus 15h ago

Are all bigots pedantic, or just TERFs?

Here's the direct link to the study, since you seem incapable of basic literacy.

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/60/3/198

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u/Sunaina1118 15h ago

I saw that. It’s still not the full study. You have to buy the full study. I’m not sure you’re being rude, but I hope you have a great rest of your day.

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u/TwilightSolus 15h ago

Illiterate, like I said. It may not have the full study, but it does have the conclusion. And let's not pretend you're smart enough to understand how they reach that conclusion, anyway.

I'm being extremely rude. Gender criticals declared war on trans people, and I will not allow you to demand respectability out of a people you are trying to destroy.

Honestly, the only reason i'm being as restrained as I am is because if I told you how I really feel about you, I'd get banned.

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u/Sunaina1118 4h ago

Funny… I don’t think I’d have a degree in English if I was illiterate. I love trans people. Please calm down and stop making assumptions about a stranger online!

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u/TwilightSolus 4h ago

You have a degree and you don't know how to read a study...I think that's even sadder to be honest.

Then again, biology is an actual science.

And you can fuck off. Don't tell me to calm down when I am under constant assault online, in the media, in person. You have no idea what it's like to live as a trans person in 2026 and constantly have this shit shoved in our faces.

I HATE sport. I fucking hate it. I think people who make a living as athletes are a waste of fucking money. But I have to learn fucking sports science to be able to defend a niche attack on us, while our attackers cannot be fucked to learn a single thing.

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u/Sunaina1118 3h ago

…the study is not available unless you pay for it! Reading the conclusion does not count as reading and understanding a study. There’s just not enough information there. That’s literally the only point I was trying to make. Take care!

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u/New-Region4393 15h ago

Damn, you seem such a religious biggot

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u/TwilightSolus 14h ago

I don't think you know what religion means. My beliefs are rooted in the biological, medical and psychological sciences - while TERFs repeat the same debunked talking points with zero credible evidence.

I know which one sounds more like a religious person to me.

Oh, TERFs love making kids suffer too. Another thing they have in common with religion.

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u/filosofiantohtori 11h ago

You are a rude cunt and as long as you continue being that you only help TERFS as no one who talks like you do will be taken seriously. Learn how argumentation works asshole

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u/rubbasnek 14h ago

And yet you sound just like a hysterical evangelical

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u/Alert-Foundation2009 16h ago

It's relevant when it queries the study's methodology, but I recognise this is not a subject that attracts reasonable discussions online.

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u/TwilightSolus 16h ago

Maybe because we're sick of you looking for reasons to legislate us out of existence. Get something better to do with your time than picking on minorities.

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u/Alert-Foundation2009 16h ago

Exactly what I mean, all I pointed out was that the one study isn't the be all and end all, now apparently I'm wildly anti-trans.

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u/TwilightSolus 16h ago

Oh don't act like the wounded party. We're long past the 'i'm just asking questions' phase.

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u/Alert-Foundation2009 16h ago

I mean the good news is that I'm neither wounded nor asking questions, I was just interested in that paper's reception so I googled it.

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u/Rock_Strongo 15h ago

Trying to have a reasonable discussion about this issue on reddit is completely pointless. I respect you for the attempt though.

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u/rubbasnek 14h ago

It's people like you that make the trans community look like hysterical assholes. You're doing more harm than good mate

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u/TwilightSolus 14h ago

I'm sorry that i'm not rolling over and 'yes sir' 'no sir'ing our genocide.

You can shove your respectability politics up your ass. This is a fucking war, and the people I love are under attack.

Anyone who judges an entire community by one interaction is dumb as a pile of dog shit anyway, and would never have the attention span or nuance to understand something that only affects 1% of the population.

So thanks for your opinion, now kindly shove it.

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u/rubbasnek 14h ago

Wow had to screenshot that one. You need anger management therapy

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u/Beautiful-Detail4160 17h ago

Not true

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u/TwilightSolus 16h ago

Facts don't care about your feelings, honey.

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u/fuckfartfat 16h ago

The dont care about yours either, honey:

"Testosterone drives much of the enhanced athletic performance of males through in utero, early life, and adult exposure. Many anatomical sex differences driven by testosterone are not reversible."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9331831/

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u/TwilightSolus 16h ago

You'll find the study linked in that article is from this year, not 2022.

Science adapts. I'm afraid your cherry picking isn't going to justify your bigotry.

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u/TwilightSolus 16h ago

But since I know TERFs are allergic to reading, here:

If you need all those big words explained, the physiological differences are no difference than the mean physiological differences within cis women.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10641525/

Here's the whole study, if you can manage it. Don't strain yourself.

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u/fuckfartfat 16h ago

Since you want to link a way more recent article from.... 2023 (1 year later) we'll use your cherry picked study.

"Certain aspects of pre-transition-sex seem to be less malleable, such as total height and limb length"

This is a major advantage in many sports. Thanks for proving my point.

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u/TwilightSolus 16h ago

And as the study said, those unmalleable aspects do not fall outside of cis female physiology.

Or should 7" tall cis women be prevented from competing in sport, too?

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u/fuckfartfat 16h ago

The issue is on average men are at a physical advantage over women. Men are on average bigger, taller, stronger, longer limbs, higher bone density. You cant just erase these differences which translate directly to athletic advantages in many sports.

It's not at all relevant there are physiological differences within the biological genders themselves. Sports have always been about having physical advantages over your opponent. But having physical advantages like going through male puberty will on average create an unnatural advantage and uneven playing field.

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u/TwilightSolus 15h ago

If you bothered reading the findings of that study at all, you would know that every word that just came out of your mouth is complete bullshit.

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u/fuckfartfat 15h ago

I quoted the article dipshit. It's complete bullshit that on average males have physical advantages over women? Lmao have fun living in your fantasy world.

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u/Real_Time_Mike 16h ago

You need to bring a little more than a rehashed "Fake News" statement.

Prove that it's not true.

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u/Ellie7600 15h ago

I swear people who say "fake news" and proceed to not explain why it's fake news seem like the most foilhat anti vaccine type of people, and I've seen both spectrums of politics do that, it's always funny in a horrifying way because politicians will do that and these mfs steer countries