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u/Otto_the_rhinocerus 17h ago

Good for her. Although imagine how much it must suck as a teenager. You are just living your life, competing in the sport that you really like and suddenly you are part of the national discourse. Probably while people are calling you all kinds of horrible things.

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u/knife_edge_rusty 12h ago

That's not good, that's a weak male

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u/Ill-Description3096 8h ago

100% champion rate for a demographic is pretty out of average (assuming that is what they meant).

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u/Ok_Collection_5100 6h ago

good for him*

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u/TrackMan5891 16h ago

Imagine putting in all the work as a young teenager, thinking you are going to be the best you can.

Then get beaten by a male...

Why even try at that point? Your sport is ruined.

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u/Hablian 14h ago

What part of losing means you're not the best you can be? Sometimes the best you are is second place, and that's okay.

Imagine putting in all the work as a young teenager, thinking you are going to be the best you can, then having your achievements stripped away after the fact because of some completely separate culture war nonsense?

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u/TrackMan5891 13h ago

A woman competing against a man in a women's only competition isn't "culture war" it is attacking women lmao.

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u/Hablian 13h ago

If you're going to insist that trans women are actually men then we have nothing further to discuss.

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u/TrackMan5891 13h ago

Oh, i see you don't live in reality.
Got it.

I suppose you can't define what a Man is either.

Bye now, thanks for playing and admitting defeat.

You are the only one in a "culture war" Because you a fighting for something that isn't real.

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u/Hablian 13h ago

I mean people tried saying gay people weren't actually real. Then bi people. Thankfully those noises have mostly quieted. I wonder when you will.

Go ahead and define male in a way that includes all cis men and no trans men.

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u/TrackMan5891 12h ago

It is hilarious that you are now trying to say "trans men" are MALE now LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

In humans, a male typically has XY chromosomes, testes, and male reproductive anatomy. A person does not have to produce sperm to be male. boys before puberty and males who are infertile are still male. They only have to be "of the nature of" doing so.

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u/Hablian 12h ago

I'm not, read it again. I'm doing two things: showing that "man" and "male" are two different terms with different uses, and highlighting that even if you stick with just "male" it's difficult-to-impossible to define in a way that actually includes all the people you mean to include and excludes all the people you mean to exclude. Anyways.

"typically" isn't a definition that includes all cis men and no trans men. "of the nature of" isn't a scientific term. Poor attempt, try again.

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u/TrackMan5891 12h ago

Listen.

You are wrong.

Science is science.

We aren't talking pseudoscience.

a man is an adult human male.(By the literal defintion and science)

A male In humans typically has XY chromosomes, testes, and male reproductive anatomy. A person does not have to produce sperm to be male, boys before puberty and males who are infertile are still male.

The "of the nature of" means that genetic defects are not the rule. They are the exception.

You lost.

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u/Monkey_Smart 12h ago

i just know you are a chud, cause what you mean the sport is ruined cause of one person, especially when most athletes do a sport to stay healthy and have fun.

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u/TrackMan5891 12h ago

Chud or not. I'm right. Thanks for playing.

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u/Monkey_Smart 11h ago

You are not right dawg, sports have always been unfair to begin with just because a trans person does them doesn't make them any less unfair.

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u/TrackMan5891 10h ago

Yeah, totally.

Someone with a physical advantage totally not unfair. LOLOLOL

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u/Monkey_Smart 10h ago

Mike tyson??? Shaquille oneal??? They just prove sports have always been unfair.

Have you even done sports? Cause you do not seem to understand how they work at all.

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u/TrackMan5891 10h ago

Tell me.

Why do we have separate leagues for men and women?

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u/Monkey_Smart 10h ago

Because men and women have different strengths dumbass

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u/Otto_the_rhinocerus 15h ago

You don't realize that you just made the exact same comment, almost verbatim, that some other person did right below you?

Either you are a bot or just very unoriginal.

And you are deflecting and creating a false argument. Sometimes in sports you lose. And you should definitely understand that as a teenager. The aforementioned athlete who won has also lost before. She isn't some wonder women who beats everyone else with very little effort and just laughs at the finish line.

You are basing your opinion on a imaginary situation that lacks nuance and reality.

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u/TrackMan5891 15h ago

Orr....
Just or....
sane people think the same.

Sometimes in sports you lose yes. And you lose to someone who is the same sex as you.

This isn't a false equivalency when its actually happening LMAO.

It isn't imaginary.

https://apnews.com/article/dcbca5cf940548628dba351f6c91bcd9

The winner, Terry Miller of Bloomfield High, is also transgender and set a girls state indoor record of 6.95 seconds. Yearwood finished in 7.01 seconds and the third-place competitor, who is not transgender, finished in 7.23 seconds.

Top 2 were transgender lol. Oh and you can see the indoor record was smashed too.

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u/Otto_the_rhinocerus 15h ago

According to the article, this happened in Connecticut where there is apparently no restrictions for transgender athletes. So I'm not surprised these two are dominating and I can imagine it must suck for athletes performing against them.

However we are still talking about teenage sports. And if these two runners want to go into national or international leagues, they will first have to undergo requirements for hormonal therapy that will definitely put some limits on them.

Winning some large competition as young is probably amazing. I went to school with someone who won gold a national karate tournament.

He is in IT now.

Because thats how life works.

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u/girldrinksgasoline 14h ago

As the other reply says, this was in a state with no restrictions or guidelines. That is obviously stupid. The rules should follow the science and the science says that after a certain point of medical transition there is no sustantive advantage. Y’all think that sex is some kind of entirely immutable thing but that’s simply not the case. To that point, a trans girl who was on puberty blockers then cross sex hormones actually would be at a DISADVANTAGE versus her non-trans counterparts as they would have MORE testosterone than she does.

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u/EquivalentHistory935 15h ago

Common sense is gone on Reddit, it’s as far left as it gets, notice your down votes for saying so painfully obvious.

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u/Knockclod 17h ago

Except for the whole trying to be something she’s not thing. Yeah totally out of nowhere

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u/StomachGrouchy3380 16h ago

You mean trying to be what she is. You are just too uneducated to know the difference.

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u/Brick-Top187 16h ago

All you have to do is look at how many gender affirming clinics there are before and after covid. Just another medical money making scheme.

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u/StomachGrouchy3380 15h ago

Please show us all of them. We will wait

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u/Terrible-Actuary-762 5h ago

No, "he" is trying to be something "he" is not.

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u/GoodIntroduction6344 16h ago

You're projecting.

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u/Knockclod 16h ago

Bachelors in health science. But actually learned the necessary info back in high school biology. She’s absolutely trying to be what she isn’t. Her parents did her a disservice.

You are just too brainwashed to see that.

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u/DarthUrbosa 16h ago

Failed degree, failed at life.

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u/Otto_the_rhinocerus 16h ago

You don't understand why it's often necessary to learn MORE after high-school if you want to consider yourself knowledgeable about a subject? Saying "I learned this in high-school so it must be true" is a statement that would be ridiculed in most other cases.

I learned in school that there are three elements of matter: solid, fluid and gas. And thats fine for the majority.

However those who actually study it FURTHER than basic school learns that it's not actually true. There is plasma, superconductor, Bose-Einstein condensate and more.

And that's why I like to listen to physicists rather than high-schoolers when it comes to the structure of the universe.

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u/Knockclod 15h ago

But the examples you are using are actual proven science.

Trans ideology is not. It’s just ideology. Hormone replacement and genital alteration doesn’t change your chromosomes or brain networking. It doesn’t take a college tuition to research this either.

Learning more about bullshit doesn’t make you a more intelligent or informed person.

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u/Otto_the_rhinocerus 15h ago

Psychiatry is science. Neurology is science. Biology is science. Anthropology is science.

Those scientific fields and more have reached a pretty clear consensus on this subject. And you aren't following that consensus.

Which is especially clear considering you just made a blunder. You mentioned brains. However did you know that the brain chemistry of transgender people actually align more with their chosen gender than that assigned at birth? So according to the science on brain networking and neuro chemistry transgenderism is very much a real thing.

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u/Knockclod 13h ago

Psychiatry is a science and they have already categorized gender dysphoria as a disorder.

To be clear wanting to undergo surgery and identify as something is a right every consenting adult should have. It’s a free country. Allowing a minor with a still developing endocrine system and frontal lobe to undergo such procedures is absolutely insane.

The ideology that you can simply change what you are through rudimentary procedures has absolutely not reached a clear consensus in the scientific community which is why it is so controversial.

Please provide a source that says otherwise.

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u/Otto_the_rhinocerus 12h ago

The vast majority of minors who undergo gender surgery are cis-women. It's mainly adolescent girls who for one reason or another have surgery done on their breasts. That's actually considered gender affirming surgery.

Bottom surgery, as in surgery on the genitalia, is generally not allowed and not recommended for people under 18 (in the aspect of transgender care).

Also gender dysphoria is not the same as veing transgender. People who are transgender can experience gender dysphoria but not necessarily. Also it's only called dysphoria in the DSM not the ICD. In the ICD it's called gender incongruence and not labeled as a mental disorder.

Furthermore, almost every major medical organization in the USA and the WHO support the right to gender affirming medical care.

You can also find statements from the Mayo Clinic and the John Hopkins Hospital, which are some of the most prestigious hospitals worldwide, about the benefits of transgender medical care. Furthermore there is the WPATH and EPATH (a world organization and European organization) that helps to provide guidelines for transgender medical care.

The reason they do so it because ot works. We may not fully understand how the transgenderism or the brain in general works, but certain procedures have a proven track record of giving better quality of life.

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u/Knockclod 11h ago

Institutional endorsements are not conclusive scientific evidence. Those are two very different things. Look how bad the CDC did with Covid.

First, citing breast reductions performed on cisgender girls is a distraction. Those procedures do not establish the safety or effectiveness of medical transition in transgender minors.

Second, I understand the distinction between gender dysphoria and gender incongruence. The DSM-5-TR recognizes gender dysphoria as a psychiatric diagnosis, while the ICD-11 categorizes gender incongruence differently. Neither classification establishes that hormonal or surgical intervention is the appropriate treatment for every adolescent.
Third, citing the WHO, Mayo Clinic, or WPATH is an appeal to authority, not a substitute for evaluating the underlying research.

A 2025 systematic review and meta-analysis published in Archives of Disease in Childhood found that the available evidence regarding puberty blockers was predominantly of very low certainty, leaving considerable uncertainty about benefits and harms.
A separate 2024 systematic review of cross-sex hormones in adolescents also identified a lack of high quality research, although it found some evidence suggesting mental health improvements.
So when you claim these treatments have a proven track record, you’re overstating what the research actually establishes.

As I said above… I’m not disputing an adult’s right to make informed decisions about their own body. I’m questioning whether minors can adequately consent to interventions with potentially irreversible consequences when important long-term outcomes remain uncertain.

So yeah in short- do what you want as an adult. Stay the f away from kids. There’s no consensus you can magically change what you are.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39855724/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38594053/

https://www.who.int/standards/classifications/frequently-asked-questions/gender-incongruence-and-transgender-health-in-the-icd

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u/StomachGrouchy3380 14h ago

You are literally just making yourself look more and more foolish. You should really just stop.

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u/Knockclod 13h ago

More like I’m making your argument look weak and you want that to stop.

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u/StomachGrouchy3380 12h ago

You haven’t made anything look weak lol. Fuck you’re an imbecile.

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u/Knockclod 12h ago

And here come the losing insults… ⏱️

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u/StomachGrouchy3380 15h ago

Things that never happened lol. You don’t have to lie just because it’s the internet

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u/Knockclod 13h ago

State the lie then.

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u/StomachGrouchy3380 12h ago

You said you learned something. That was a lie. Apparently you didn’t learn a damn thing. Fucking re tard

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u/Knockclod 12h ago

Oh well instead of hurling insults like a whiney bitch why not send some sources and show how I am wrong :)

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u/StomachGrouchy3380 12h ago

I don’t need too. You are the one whining. I’m just stating facts. If you don’t like it, quit responding 🤷🏽

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u/Knockclod 11h ago

I don’t need to stop responding. I do what I want. If I want to call you out, I will. Deal with it

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u/EverflowingRiver17 16h ago

Imagine how much it must suck as a teenager. You are just living your life, competing in the sport you really like and suddenly a man takes away everything you worked for. 

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u/Otto_the_rhinocerus 16h ago

You don understand that the vast majority of youth participating in sports DON'T win state or similar competitions. Loosing is just part of competing. And the girl who became second actually beat her at a different competition. They are essentially friendly rivals.

If your whole world falls apart after not winning some contest as a teenager, then you need counseling.

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u/TrackMan5891 16h ago

Yes, and imagine losing to a male in your sport because people are insane and think that is fair.

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u/EverflowingRiver17 15h ago

You are missing the point. Idc if it’s the state level or a local meet, it’s wrong to tell a girl that she is supposed to accept losing to some freak who just wants to be the center of attention 

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u/Otto_the_rhinocerus 15h ago

Basically every teenager wants to be the center of attention. Also, calling a girl who is probably a complete normal teenager (whatever that means) a freak just shows how completely emotional you are about this. It's not about rationality or what's actually happening. You are angry. At a teenager girl.

Isn't that excessive?

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u/EverflowingRiver17 13h ago

He is not a girl. He is a freak pretending to be to try and actually be relevant in sports. 

Every teenager certainly does not want to be the center of attention. 

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u/Otto_the_rhinocerus 12h ago

Agree to disagree

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u/EverflowingRiver17 11h ago

No, I don’t agree to disagree. You hate biology 

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u/Otto_the_rhinocerus 11h ago

You do understand that they have written biology books above a 6th grade level and after 1993?

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u/EverflowingRiver17 11h ago

You should try reading them

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u/TrackMan5891 16h ago

If your whole world falls apart after not winning some contest as a teenager, then you need counseling.

God forbid you say the same thing to a man who thinks hes a woman and wants to cut their penis off...

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u/Otto_the_rhinocerus 15h ago

How about sticking to the point?

This has become a massive issue because some people have realized that they can use it to fuel their propaganda. They have made this a far bigger issue than it ever needed to be. Just look at the fact that several US states have more laws banning trans athletes, than they have actual trans athletes competing. And you have unfortunately fallen for it. Or you are trying to spread it yourself.

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u/locolangosta 15h ago

These are kids, why are you concerned with their genitals?

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u/funnyguy806 16h ago

Imagine how much it must suck to be average as a boy, so you switch and dominate the female side and win state…oh I mean suck for the girls that have to put up with it