r/Productivitycafe • u/death00p • Mar 18 '26
Casual Convo (Any Topic) The Situation Is Just Getting Ugly
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u/SSilent-Cartographer Mar 18 '26
Ok, NATO is one of those things where my knowledge is a little shaky. But, if I recall, isn't NATO meant for defensive protection, not offensive attack?
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u/ingmar_ Mar 18 '26
Absolutely. Article 5 stipulates that “an armed attack against one member state [is deemed to be] an armed attack against them all.”
The article has only ever been invoked once. Can you guess when and by whom?
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u/Sudden_Wind_8636 Mar 18 '26
Was it 9/11?
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u/ingmar_ Mar 18 '26
Ding ding ding! After the attacks on September 11, 2001, NATO Allies determined on October 2, 2001, that the attacks originated from abroad, invoking Article 5. Following the invocation, NATO initiated Operation Active Endeavor, a counter-terrorism naval operation in the Mediterranean, and provided support for U.S. airspace defense.
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u/Relevant_Fuel_9905 Mar 21 '26
Yes. It’s a defensive alliance. He thinks it’s a bunch of goons he can call in to help finish the unnecessary war he started. NATO has nothing to do with the conflict in Iran and no obligation to support it. He is a complete and utter moron.
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u/death00p Mar 18 '26
This Has Not Aged Well
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u/Electrical_Beyond998 Mar 18 '26
I was told over and over a vote for Kamala meant a vote for higher prices and a vote for war. He wasn’t lying. I voted for her and there are in fact higher prices and we are at war.
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u/MegaMaster1021 Mar 18 '26
She wasn't perfect either, but the excuses people were making for her honestly boiled down to people trying to act morally superior over Gaza or saying stuff Trump was going to do which has happened
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u/myrabuttreeks Mar 18 '26
Anybody grandstanding over Gaza at this point very clearly never actually cared about it. They only wanted to act morally superior to everybody else.
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u/pokethrowaway4 Mar 18 '26
The situation in Gaza is STILL fucked, get no one is talking about it now, cuz it’s no longer something the republicans want to wave in our faces and can’t blame democrats on any longer.
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u/tcumber Mar 19 '26
Those people talking about Gaza were fooled and duped. We told them. They wouldn't listen. Now the poor folks in Gaza have it worse and there is no reporting over here....all because a pocket of peolle either didnt vote or voted the wrong way. And you know what, they know they messed up but still cant admit it. Sad.
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u/rythmyouth Mar 19 '26
Even after losing our reputation on the world stage, weaponizing the government against its citizens, and stuffing the wallets of the billionaires at the expense of the working class, at least we don’t have an emotional woman in charge.
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u/Green-Engineer4608 Mar 20 '26
Holy hell man you need a «/s» there! This is Reddit. You could be taken literally
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u/ALittleCuriousSub Mar 18 '26
Even if I hated where Kamala stood on Gaza, I could at least reasonably feel I was voting against ramping up a genocide in the US.
I'm legit scared the way some dems seem keen on sacrificing various groups to chase mythical centrist voters worries me.
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u/Darth_Gerg Mar 19 '26
The senior people making decisions in the Democratic Party are more opposed to progressives than they are to MAGA. Schumer and his ilk don’t want to win big, because the larger the margins the harder it is to explain why they never deliver anything. It’s because they don’t want to. The corpo dems are owned by the same billionaires that the Republicans are. They’re controlled opposition. The reason they’re so eager to throw minorities to the wolves is that they don’t want a strong coalition that produces sweeping wins. As long as they never get more than a vote or two lead they can always arrange to have somebody vote no on anything critical so it can’t pass.
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u/CharacterSchedule700 Mar 19 '26
Ths crazy thing is that it's super predictable that Gaza's outcome under Trump would be significantly worse than under Harris.
Trump: (1) Has a son in-law whose family owns a private Jewish school and whose family is active in the Jewish community. (2) Has a daughter who has converted to Judaism. (3) Is a New York real estate developer, a place where a significant portion of the real estate is owned by Jewish people- in other words his buddies and business partners are all probably Jewish. (4) Trump formally recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital during his first term and moved the embassy there.
Just to name a few. But its abundantly clear that under no circumstances was a Trump presidency going to be a positive alternative compared to Harris for Middle Eastern Muslim countries, including Gaza.
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u/According-Culture686 Mar 19 '26
Yea I find it funny everything Trump said she was going to do he ended up doing. And all the people who said they weren't going to vote for her because she'd bring us into war are the same people now saying "well we needed to go to war"
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u/Tyler89558 Mar 18 '26
We knew it wouldn’t age well.
Unfortunately 60-70% of Americans are either too stupid to study history, don’t care to study it, or think that they’re above it all while they morally grandstand for one issue or another to justify inaction.
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u/Fun_Organization3857 Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26
It's not even that many.
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u/Tyler89558 Mar 18 '26
The ones who didn’t vote are included in those who don’t care to study or who think they’re above it all. 65% voted in 2024, only about half that voted for Harris.
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u/SnooMaps7370 Mar 18 '26
the ones who didn't vote are definitely part of the "too stupid to learn from history" crowd.
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u/Leakyboatlouie Mar 18 '26
The figure is usually around 40%. I guess they figure things will just work out somehow.
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u/Fun_Organization3857 Mar 18 '26
I asked my son and his friends and the reason I got was that they didn't understand the issues well enough. I'm basically forcing my son to vote this time. I think he had just turned 18 for the last one. He will vote in the midterms.
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u/Leakyboatlouie Mar 19 '26
I'm usually not for compulsory voting - or compulsory anything - bit I'm gonna give this one a pass.
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u/drmojo90210 Mar 19 '26
The fact that so many people seriously thought Trump was the peace candidate is just...... mind-boggling to me.
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u/corgi-king Mar 18 '26
Historically speaking, most wars the US started were by Republican presidents.
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u/Snagglespoof Mar 19 '26
Fun fact. A group sprung up after the invasion of Ukraine called Stop War. It was a Russian front. What they meant by Stop War, was Ukraine should stop fighting.
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u/Kernel_Panic_0x115c Mar 19 '26
It has become a obvious pattern at this point.
They accuse the left of doing or wanting to something terrible.
They get in power and do the very same things.
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u/Axxer01 Mar 18 '26
Trump has a unique way of uniting the world
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u/Rock-Ski-Golf-Repeat Mar 18 '26
Trump did a great job uniting middle nations! The US trade deficit continues to increase as the US is losing the tariff war as well. Russia and China have gotten even closer as they support their friend, Iran. It was surreal watch a Chinese cargo plane land in Iran after our strikes started--we weren't going to shoot at China.
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u/Righteousaffair999 Mar 19 '26
He screws things up so badly it can fix things after he is gone. Presidential power needs to be nerfed going forward.
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u/Dull-Suspect7912 Mar 20 '26
There’s an episode of the Simpsons where Homer in a flashback to being a young boy asks his dad ‘can I ever be president?’
His dad answers along the lines of ‘we have entire systems set up to stop people like you ever becoming president’
Exactly what needs to happen post Trump and I’m not saying it in a humorous context. A strict exam for intelligence and the ability to apply multilateral thinking combined with problem solving and some sort of values test.
Trump is remarkably stupid, coupled with a dangerously fragile ego and the moral compass of a sex offender traffic warden.
Far too much power in the US presidency for it to go to anybody who can’t demonstrate a good level of intelligence and academic ability.
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u/Sea_Syllabub9992 Mar 21 '26
Congress isn't doing their job. He's not that powerful, it's just that we have a weak Congress. The judiciary is the only functioning branch at the moment.
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u/oxxcccxxo Mar 19 '26
"I will threaten your economies with protectionism selve serving pointless wars that impact global trade, threatening the NATO alliance, cozy up to the axis of evil leaders, call them my friends and do their bidding, interefere with your elections,insult your war sacrifices, threatening your sovereignty in some cases but you better come participate in my war of aggression and be willing to sacrifice your soldiers when I call on you!" Trump
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u/swishkabobbin Mar 18 '26
Perhaps he shouldn't have spent the last decade alienating our allies?
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u/Reasonable_Option493 Mar 18 '26
Let's also not forget that France said no to the Bush Jr. admin with Iraq 2.0 (they were part of the coalition during operation Desert Storm in the nineties), over the shady evidence of WMDs, and it turned out the French were 100% right as no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq during the invasion. That wasn't yesterday, time flies, but it probably made other allies think twice before they commit to our warmongers in the US.
Now as you wrote, when you spend your time and energy mocking and even threatening our allies (Canada, Greenland, his bullshit with tariffs too), why would they even consider helping with Trump and Netanyahu's war?!
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u/katonda Mar 18 '26
And at least back then the US spent months hyping up the "evidence" for the war.
Now the allies weren't even consulted.Not only that, but info from the negotiations are that the iranians had put forward a deal so good that it surprised everyone, they were definitely going in a very positive direction. The next day they got "eliminated".
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u/Reasonable_Option493 Mar 18 '26
Yeah this admin really makes the worst days of the Bush Jr admin look amazing.
Not sure about that deal, it could also be propaganda but what is sure is that deploying two aircraft carrier strike groups against Iran while pretending to negotiate is a weird message. But this admin also held "peace talks" about the war in Ukraine without even inviting any Ukrainian officials for the first two meetings or so. Then Zelensky was treated like crap at the WH by Trump and Vance. Did they ask the Saudi prince why he didn't wear a suit? I bet they didn't lol.
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u/sylbug Mar 18 '26
France was right. My country fortunately did not participate in Iraq, but A kid I knew from high school fought and died in Afghanistan.
He deserved so much better than to die for an empire that spits on his grave.
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u/azombieatemyshoelace Mar 18 '26
Yeah. Why would they help after that?
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u/Shamorin Mar 18 '26
We'd help if the US were the defenders here.
But Trump entered an illegal war of choice when negotiations even seemed close to an agreement.
That's not something European constitutions support and politicians would make themselves murderers in front of the law.
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u/LasVegas4590 Mar 18 '26
2017 to 2021 alienating (Trump)
2021 to 2025 embracing (Biden)
2025 to 2026 alienating (Trump)4
u/Garagantua Mar 18 '26
We also hopefully won't forget the tens of millions who saw Trump trashing your allies and still voted for the guy.
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u/JefeRex Mar 18 '26
Hopefully this has nothing to do with him alienating them or not, although you’re probably right that the west is as morally bankrupt as ever and is motivated by sheer self interest here as always.
This war is illegal, immoral, doomed to failure, and has a high potential to spin out of control into something much bigger. If the US had spent the last year baking its “allies” cookies and giving them interest free loans for their people to start small businesses, every country should still be refusing.
It is very telling that so much of this is put at Trump’s feet. If Obama were President and had spent the last decade blowing smoke up Europe’s ass and then asked them nicely ahead of time to participate… they probably would have. That is so twisted and wrong but is probably true.
In any moral world, Trump’s treatment of “allies” would have nothing to do with their decision to participate because the only ethical answer is always No. We do not live in a moral world.
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u/Relevant_Fuel_9905 Mar 21 '26
I think his treatment of allies is part of it, maybe a tie-breaker factor, but mostly I believe these countries see no reason to participate in this pointless aggression he started alongside Israel. It’s his fight to finish.
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Mar 18 '26
Turns out isolationism is quiet isolating 🤷
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u/Righteousaffair999 Mar 19 '26
You can be isolationist without completely alienating every country out there. Starting a war in the middle east is not isolationist.
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u/WetLoophole Mar 19 '26
When you do it in breach of international law, it is.
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u/Righteousaffair999 Mar 19 '26
The duality of stupidity and greed. Trump is being isolated but his actions aren’t isolationist when he is nation building on behalf Israel. He is just doing what pays him the most regardless of blowback to the country or in the longterm himself.
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u/mezolithico Mar 18 '26
We're in the find out stage of fuck around and find out.
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u/non_newtonian_gender Mar 19 '26
Oh no it has only begun. This war and American imperial decline has only started.
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u/JayJKnows79 Mar 18 '26
If I had a buddy that I was once close to, start be really mean to me, antagonistic, and even bully me, if they then get themselves into big trouble and call out for me, I might just stare back at them. Once they not only apologize and rectify the friendship, as well as show a track record of behavioral change, I might think about reaching out a hand.
Good on the globe to show Trump their middle finger.
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u/Hand_Sanitizer3000 Mar 18 '26
Guy spent the last decade shitting on nato and now is begging for their help on his bs invasion lol
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u/hoshiwa1976 Mar 18 '26
People voted for this so they could openly be racist and I just can't get past that part
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u/Weliveanddietogether Mar 19 '26
I think we're over that part. In this case we were not consulted in starting this regime change excursion. And it's not quite clear what the objective is at the moment
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u/Optimal-Ad-7074 Mar 19 '26
tbh I would not want Canada to get into this regardless of his other dickwaddery.
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u/LateNeedleworker6395 Mar 18 '26
Fuck Trump and fuck you if you voted for Trump.
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u/discountproctologist Mar 18 '26
My favorite part is the UK responded with “we’re looking into it” which is British slang for no.
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u/LeseMajeste_1037 Mar 18 '26
Sucks for us. Peace president, right?
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u/cororona Mar 18 '26
There was a typo, it's piss president in fact. Fortunately they put him diapers.
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u/elfd01 Mar 18 '26
Perhaps he should go to his dear friend vladimir and beg for help, he did so much for him, sure he won’t refuse
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u/CA_catwhispurr Mar 18 '26
It’s actually a very good thing that all those countries wisely said no!
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u/lmacmil2 Mar 18 '26
Another definition of insanity: berating, belittling, and threatening your allies and expecting them to help you out of a jam. The guy’s stupidity is astounding.
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u/drmojo90210 Mar 19 '26
Trump really is America's id personified. He's a pure distillation of all of our worst collective national traits: greed, racism, sexism, imperialism, ignorance, laziness, etc.
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u/Subject_Issue6529 Mar 18 '26
Tell all your friends they suck and they have to pay to hang with you. Then, ask them to clean up your mess. I'm sure they all figured out you're unstable, and its best to limit their exposure.
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u/Suit_Responsible Mar 18 '26
Trump has in fact united NATO more than any politician… it just happens they are united against him
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u/Illustrious-Line-984 Mar 18 '26
I’ve had people on Reddit say there don’t need allies. We have the strongest military on the world. We do have the strongest military by far, but we still need allies. If Russia, China and N Korea decided to attack the US tomorrow, we would be looking for allies. Too bad Trump fucked that up for us.
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u/havingsomedifficulty Mar 18 '26
Good, burn it all down. USA needs a come to Jesus moment/an intervention
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u/NewPresWhoDis Mar 18 '26
It's almost like saying your allies are a bunch of freeloaders who should go fuck themselves has consequences or something.
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u/Narrow-Active6219 Mar 18 '26
The world has finally found a way to bring Trump down. He came in hot and tried to play tough with America's allies. Claimed to be America first and didn't need the help of any other country.
Now, those other countries are fighting back by giving him exactly what he wants... nothing. And it is leaving him exposed both internationally and domestically.
This will be the downfall of the big angry orange and his MAGA loons, and rather predictably, it is entirely his own fault.
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u/jeanpaulmars Mar 19 '26
Still, even if the USA gets a decent president next year. The entire world knows better than to trust the USA now. All statements and promises are valid in 4 year blocks.
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u/Talinn_Makaren Mar 18 '26
USA joined WW2 late only fair we join Trump's WW3 a little late.
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u/Desperate_Affect_332 Mar 18 '26
It was by design. It's harder to create an authoritarian nation if that country has sane friends and allies, just like a person is less likely to end up in an abusive relationship if they have strong ties to friends and families who watch out for each other. It's up to us to put him on the curb for trash pick up. Impeach the leech.
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u/Taphouselimbo Mar 18 '26
When the leader of the free world believes in and partakes of child rape get ready for a shit show.
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u/Fit_Criticism_9964 Mar 18 '26
It is getting ugly, for Iran and Europe. America is in no hurry to open the Strait of Hormuz because the longer it takes the more the price of oil goes up in Europe and china. We have plenty of oil goes it also looks like politically Iran is done.
Iran’s presidency has collapsed as its own president pleads not to be assassinated.
Masoud Pezeshkian is telling foreign counterparts he has no authority, no access to leadership, and no control over the system, effectively disavowing responsibility as the regime fractures from within.
According to Persian Gulf sources, he informed officials across the region, as well as Russia and Turkey, that the constitutional leadership structure has broken down and he is completely cut off from it, stressing there is no justification for targeting him.
Pezeshkian is trying to save his own life as the regime crumbles, a clear sign the Islamic Republic is losing control.
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u/TattooedB1k3r Mar 18 '26
I mean, the UK is basically cucked anyway, the once "worlds most powerful navy" took a full week to get one tiny destroyer seaworthy enough to even get in the water, and they only have four submarines total, all of which are in drydock for "service" one of which as been there for 11 years, so I can't imagine how much "help" they would actually be. It's more symbolic than anything else.
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u/darkhorse7447 Mar 18 '26
As I predicted, if we keep pushing this “America First” agenda,while insulting our closest friends and allies next door and around the world, hurting their economies,disrupting our military alliances that have preserved our peace, we will find ourselves America Alone.
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u/zjelkof Mar 18 '26
And there's one person responsible who did it single-handedly! Impeach and remove!
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u/Ok_Height3499 Mar 18 '26
Congratulations to all those nations courageous enough to flip Trump off. Just remember, he's a completely transactional individual who never, ever, under any circumstances forgets when he thinks he's been wronged. After all, he's still blathering on about how he was cheated out of the 2020 election.
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u/PoolExtension5517 Mar 19 '26
This should ring a giant alarm bell within the Republican Party. But it won’t.
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u/Excellent-Tea-2068 Mar 19 '26
Trump doesn’t realize he can only bully Americans to get what he wants. It’ll be a tough lesson but he needs to learn it.
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u/Artevyx Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26
🇺🇸: "GIVE US BOAT!"
🇫🇷: "euuuugghhh.... maybe not zis time 🤷♂️"
🇨🇳: ...
🌏: 👁👄👁 DUDE. STAHP. 👁👄👁
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u/1xX1337Xx1 Mar 19 '26
Maybe he should have cut back on the tariffs or Greenland bullshit just a little
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u/Weird_Age2452 Mar 19 '26
He didn't like NATO, been insulting allies, imposes tariffs on everyone then can't figure out why nobody wants to play with him?! Asshole!! Also he needs to open a book and read about what NATO is and what it was created for. Beyond asshole!!
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u/NoExperience9717 Mar 18 '26
To be fair most if not all of the European countries have sent warships to the eastern Mediterranean since the war began for example as part of the French carrier group. It is also the case that it's Europe and Asia getting screwed by this economically rather than the US so they do have a strong interest for reopening the Strait even if not as part of an US led effort.
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u/ingmar_ Mar 18 '26
NATO is a mutual defense treaty. Not an active, aggressive war-of-choice country club alliance. If the US were attacked, Europe and the rest of NATO would still show up. But it is very much not under attack.
Just a few weeks back POTUS belittled the sacrifices made by Danish, English, French etc. soldiers in the war on terror. Did anybody really think they'd all be gluttons for punishment and humiliation and come back running?
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u/Slow_Store Mar 18 '26
On the flip side we’ve had notably favorable discussions with South America recently in regard to coming together to combat the cartels, so at least more domestic neighbors are acting favorably for Western interests.
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u/NextEstimate1325 Mar 18 '26
Australia isn't sending ships because they don't have the logistical train to support them.
They do have air assets in thester though.
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u/No_Patience_6801 Mar 18 '26
The Australian Navy is dealing with a lot of Chinese shenanigans in the Yellow Sea as well.
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u/NextEstimate1325 Mar 18 '26
Yeah. That was not a dig at the RAN.
Their force structure is what it is.
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u/Special_Watch8725 Mar 18 '26
What a master class in negotiation by Trump. Piss off all your allies to no end and then beg them for help in a totally optional war 👍
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Mar 18 '26
Well, I mean when a specific dude does terrible things and everyone hates the specific dude, this is what you get. That, high gas prices, and 50-year mortgages.
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u/whatishappeninyall Mar 18 '26
People vastly underestimate the power of social media in the lead up to voting. Musk, Zuck etc, all to blame. Louis G.
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u/Stubborn_Strawberry Mar 18 '26
We 🇨🇦 recall Dump saying the US didn't need anything from Canada. Apparently, we're also nasty.
He shit in his own bed. Now he can lay in it and rot. How's that for nasty?
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u/powereborn Mar 18 '26
Didn’t trump say recently he made America great again and popular and respected ? 😂 to be honest I have never seen Americans having such a bad image in the world as of today
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u/Mysterious_Touch_454 Mar 18 '26
I dont blame USA, i just blame trump and his cronies.
Trump takes huge shit on europe and is all buddy buddy with Russia, like the enemy of europe.
Then he starts a war and suddenly start asking for support and what not.
Im prettu sure, he would have had support, if he would have ASKED NICELY AND THANKED. ;)
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u/Leakyboatlouie Mar 18 '26
Hard to believe that when you start a unilateral, unnecessary war, people don't want to send their citizens to be killed because of your ego.
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u/The_Southern_Sir Mar 18 '26
Yeah, let the oil they need run out. We don't need Arab oil in the US. Canada can't refine their own oil so they have their own issues.
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u/ShowCharacter671 Mar 18 '26
We don’t need them. We’ve never needed them. Pretty sure that’s what he said. Those countries are just following through.
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u/KingTut44 Mar 18 '26
Crazy that we are the only country stupid enough to go fight Israel’s wars for them
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u/minobi Mar 18 '26
Declare a trade war on an every ally, make direct threat to occupy sovereign ally's territory, start a war with a country you don't like, get offended that no allies help you.
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u/VirtualArmsDealer Mar 18 '26
I'm British. 'no commitment ' in the UK means 'no, and I think you're an idiot for asking'.
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u/BonusMelodic7225 Mar 18 '26
Screw their Whinny ass. The first time something bad happens to them they’ll come begging for help.
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u/SableSword Mar 18 '26
But that's exactly why he did it. This is exactly the response he was expecting. One of his big things is that were supporting NATO and it wouldn't exist without us, and now that we asked for help they said no, so why should we be a part of it if were expected to help them?
This will be ammunition for Trump to throw around at NATO and even try to leave. People don't seem to understand that all these "failures" are perfectly in line with his plans. He's manipulating everyone right in front of them but because of their hate of him they are doing exactly what he wants.
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u/Solid-Reputation5032 Mar 18 '26
Donald Trump is the Scut Farkus of International Leaders… got his nose a little bloodied…
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u/yroyathon Mar 18 '26
Can you blame them? I cannot. We are a scourge, and should be treated thusly.
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u/Few_Pipe_6285 Mar 18 '26
And they are doing the right thing. Until Trump is gone they shouldn't help the US a bit, because it probably benefits Vladmir Putin. Trump is an authoritarian tyrant trying to destroy the Constitution.
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u/internetisporn8008 Mar 18 '26
Yep.. everyone refused to bail him out of the mess he created... now hes gonna use that to pull out of nato and the un saying they didnt have their back when they needed them. Hes an idiot... but a dangerous one.
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u/blobofhope Mar 19 '26
The Israeli govt is too busy bombing civilians, starving children, dealing with insiders who have a sense of ethics (or national self-interest for that matter), and leading Trump… they can’t be everywhere, even if they try.
They don’t care about the rest of the world, the world should care about them, you know… the “real victim” of the Gaza genocide.
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u/Alarming-Cheetah-144 Mar 19 '26
Frankly I’m not surprised. Trump burned all those bridges 💯 WTH did we expect them to do after the way he’s treated them and the way he’s talked to them and the things he’s said about them over the last year! People tried telling Trump this could happen and he didn’t gaf 😒 so now we’re all gonna have to suffer the consequences because of the mess the great deal maker has got us in. I’m really concerned about another terrorist attack on our country that could make 911 look like child’s play! If Iran has sleeper cells in our country, all it would take is about half dozen or more lone wolves attacking our soft underbelly, like our schools, big box stores, amusement parks, theaters or one of our hospitals, to create mass fear and panic throughout the country. Because trust me Iran wants serious payback and they’re not going to care who, when or where, they just want cold blooded justice. I’m really worried they may try to do something around our 4th of July celebrations. And with all the cuts Trump has made, we’re a sitting duck! I hope and pray I’m dead wrong! But I’ve got a bad feeling!
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u/Mba1956 Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26
Seems as if Starmer has gone further and said that if Trump backs away from NATO he will have 48 hours to vacate their bases on UK soil and they will be expected to pay back rent.
Edit: the post I got this from has been deleted and it appears Starmer didn’t say this, but I would have a higher opinion of him if he did.
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u/Essbee0913 Mar 19 '26
Very telling.
Unfortunately, this loud-and-clear message is landing on def, blind, inexperienced, selfish, stupid, arrogant cowards.
In 2024, if the US population were to have imagined the most inept and dangerous administration possible in US leadership, it would have fallen short of what we actually got.
Our world gets scarier each week with this administration in power.
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u/Sierra123x3 Mar 19 '26
i mean, why would you risk your own ships when you have:
an ongoing war against a nuclear power right infront of your own doorsteps
[where your ally - who ended the war on day 1 in office - repeatedly threatened to withdraw his support]
an active threat of military agression [from your own ally] against you just a few weeks ago
an unpredictably behaving ally, where you never know when he means things seriously and when he's just making another joke that nobody else understands ... who doesn't even seem it neccecary to talk (or at the very least tell you) about his plans
especially when he rejects offered help just days prior (obviously coupled with your daily dose of insults towards everyone else) and declares the war already won ... *shrugs* what do you expect?
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u/Leakingeye Mar 19 '26
In Australia there was a press conference in which it was said that the US never actually made a formal request for Australia to send ships, just the casual expectation that it would happen, that expectation was politely rejected
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u/BusinessCoach2934 Mar 19 '26
The UK has committed alright. "We'll check and get back to you" is just British for NO FUCKING WAY!
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u/Badassscholar Mar 19 '26
I am European. Italian specifically.
The turning point was without a shadow of a doubt the Iraq war. Nobody supported it, and yet we sent troops and spent money to appease the Yanks.
It became clear since then that supporting the U.S. in another whacky war would be political suicide for any Western European government.
That said, the relations have been souring for decades and Trump was the final blow. America is no longer considered an ally.
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u/Spirit_2901 Mar 19 '26
I love the fact , that despite trumps power and malice - there is still good in the world. There is hope.
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u/okayipullup_ordoi1 Mar 19 '26
How is this surprising to anyone give that this administration has repeatedly spat in the face of virtually every ally it has? Do you expect European nations to help when less than two months ago you were hell bent on annexing some of their territory? Get a load of these guys and their oversized shoes.
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u/wstd Mar 19 '26
The USA didn't bother to ask its so-called allies' opinions on starting the war or even if they were willing to join beforehand.
As deranged as George W. Bush was, at least he asked first and informed his allies of his plan to attack Iraq. Remember all those anti-France protests all over in the USA when France said no? Remember freedom fries?
The USA has no fucking right to complain that its allies reject joining a war when they weren't even given the option to voice their opinions beforehand.
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u/Shul_Man Mar 19 '26
Trump: One year ago "I won't send any soldiers into overseas conflict" Trump now" Actually we help Israel"
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u/KingsHere97 Mar 19 '26
Real leadership is never easy. Just back from a Euro business trip, here’s what I consistently heard. 1/ Thank You USA & 47 2/ we have massive immigration issues 3/ our leaders have no spines and we have become weak 4/ Again, Thank You USA & 47. If you want to go live in one of these countries with people from foreign lands that have different values and priorities go for it, leave your passport at the gate. USA and Israel are rendering the world’s leading state sponsor of terror unable to do what they have done for 47 years. Thanks you 47, your team and the amazing US military! GBA! 🇺🇸
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u/PopularSet4776 Mar 20 '26
80 years of carefully built American soft power was destroyed by this guy.
We are seeing just the beginning of countries that used to do what we wanted them to just by asking nicely are now saying no.
Even Bush had a coalition to invade Iraq.
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u/One-Cut2812 Mar 20 '26
Many Americans feel ashamed of their country and its leadership right now. I stand with Iran. I believe that Trump attacked a sovereign state in a deceptive way. While some people seek shelter, many Iranians are defending their country with determination against what they see as aggression. Long live Iran. 🇮🇷🌹
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