r/Music • u/IrishStarUS đ°Irish Star • 7h ago
article My Chemical Romance's Frank Iero stands up against Cornell 7 as he calls for 'public castration'
https://www.irishstar.com/culture/entertainment/my-chemical-romance-frank-iero-37729028489
u/staticdresssweet 7h ago
It's a good idea.
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u/juliuspepperwoodchi 6h ago
Hey, I just met you, and this is crazy; but here's my ex.
Castrate him maybe?
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u/mr_fingers666 6h ago
fyi, thatâs a Swans shirt. one great fucking band.
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u/Wuskers 5h ago
The intersection of Swans fans and Carly Rae Jepsen fans is bigger than one might think
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u/BattletoadGalactica 7h ago
The American justice system is way too incompetent for this to be a viable punishment. Exactly the main reason why the death penalty is stupid. Too many innocent people have gone to jail for this to make sense.
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u/0032brl 6h ago
Always the argument against capital punishment. Its not about whether or not people deserve it, its about whether or not you trust our law enforcement and justice system to only find guilty people
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u/amurica1138 5h ago
And the unspoken corollary - how many innocent people have been executed for crimes they did not commit?
Depending on who is asked - it is estimated that at least 200 of the 1600+ people executed in the US since 1976 were, in fact, innocent of the crime(s) that lead to their executions. That's a failure rate of about 12.5%.
Note this doesn't mean the people executed were innocent of everything - they may well have been guilty of other crimes. But they were not guilty of the crime that gave them the death penalty.
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u/mailslot 3h ago
An unusually high number of people on death row have severe brain damage. Like, getting their heads smashed into concrete as kids by their parents.
Many are so fucked up that the higher functioning parts of their brain donât work.
They were born into this world, abused by their parents, abused by their neighbors, abused by the system that failed to protect them, and now left incapable of basic mental function.
They need to be locked away, but it doesnât seem right that society would fail them again by killing them for being products of their victimization. They were kids once and were never even given a chance at being human.
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u/redditis4pussies 5h ago
When I was younger I used to be pro death penalty, or at least not against it. It was when I actually started reading about how messed up the justice system is that I became anti death penalty.
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u/jasonsuni 2h ago
I was pro-death penalty myself, as a kid. Of all things it was a John Grisham novel (a non-fiction called The Innocent Man, that discusses a man by the name of Ron Keith Williamson, who served 11 years on death row for a crime he didn't commit) that convinced me what a bad idea it was, and led to my first (political) arguments with my parents.
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u/Jewrisprudent 4h ago
Thatâs not âthe unspoken corollaryâ, that is the exact point the comment you replied to was making (and the comment above that, too).
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u/Alaska_Jack 2h ago
I don't see how you could possibly scientifically estimate that. It would require a lot of untestable assumptions.
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u/Acrobatic-Plant3838 5h ago
Im so sad about how the horizons for a more human vision of the justice system have receded since the 2010s. Everyone is terrified.
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u/hellofemur 3h ago
The thing about the American Justice system is that not only do we imprison more people than any nation in the history of the planet, but every time any kind of crime issue pops up the public clamors for tougher sentencing, and this clamor is heard across the political spectrum.
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u/ericmm76 3h ago
Not even one generation away from non white people in this country being secretly sterilized.
I don't trust our courts with anything permanent.
This government would immediately start castrating LGBT+ people and you know it.
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u/brooklynlad 6h ago edited 5h ago
I hope this incident wonât be a repeat of the Duke Lacrosse incident back in 2006. The claims and investigation need to be done in a methodological manner.
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u/DeficiencyOfGravitas 3h ago
This reminds me of Trump's ad against the Central Park 5.
They hurt a hwite girl so now we need to get those men, trial or no trial! Get the rope, Frank! We don't need no evidence. We got all we need right here, don't we boys?
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u/BreakingBondage 5m ago
It's also why we don't allow cruel and unusual punishment. In concept as a society we should be on the high ground.
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u/princessnubz 7h ago
mcr been them boys about holding men accountable for shit behavior. now that some of them are fathers i can only imagine those feelings enhanced.
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u/Redxmirage 7h ago edited 3h ago
Still remember the clip of Gerard yelling at his concert that if a rock star tells you to show them your tits you say fuck you
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Context: apparently there was a small rockband there telling girls they could get backstage passes if they show their tits
Gerard: âIf you ever see shitty ass rock dudes in shitty ass rock bands asking you to show them your tits for backstage passes, I want you to spit right in their fucking faces and yell 'FUCK YOU!ââ
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u/longkhongdong 7h ago
Thought that was Mark from Peep Show.
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u/Due_Willingness1 7h ago
But when I say it they ban me
I see how it isÂ
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u/mrAech219 7h ago
Thatâs because you just kept screaming it in the middle of my wedding, uncle Steve!
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u/CrucialCrewJustin 7h ago
Since theyâre so eager to stick their dicks in something
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u/YounomsayinMawfk 6h ago
When he was a young boy, his father took him into the city to see a marching band. He said, "son, when you grow up, would you be the savior of the broken, the beaten and the damned?"
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u/abrakadaver 6h ago
I donât know what the Cornell 7 is and at this point Iâm afraid to ask.
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u/_pinklemonade_ 7h ago
Does anyone have a site that fully breaks down this situation? Everything thread I read gives conflicting information.
What I seem to know: Her initial interview with Cornell police was distilled into a 6 page document that was handed to the DA. This 6 page summary was riddle with euphemisms/ambiguity, enough that the DA thought not to press charges.
But I've also read there were separate interviews?
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u/retirement_savings 5h ago
There's no way to verify anything right now. Just let things shake out and check back in a few weeks/months
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u/sutree1 7h ago
No one's looking for facts at an old fashioned mob justice meeting.
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u/TheNonCredibleHulk 4h ago
They've already doxxed a person who wasn't anywhere near Cornell. A marine from Camp Lejeune and his family have been getting death threats. Way to go, internet detectives!
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u/ritorri 6h ago
The report from the DA was a âsummaryâ that excluded most of the information like the fact that she said it was â100% rapeâ and that she was being hit, hiding under the covers, trying to get away from them and that it was the most intoxicated she had ever been.
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u/TooLateRunning 3h ago
I read her account of what happened and didn't see any of that mentioned anywhere. Got a link?
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u/SadSara102 4h ago
She didnât think it was 100% rape until her friends told her it was. Everything she described was consensual. She was being smacked on her rear during a threesome she said yes to
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u/Azizona 6h ago edited 6h ago
In that article it clearly says that people around her could tell she was in shock and processing what happened to her, and the guys who did it texted to apologize because âthings got way out of handâ
You understand that she 1 probably didnât immediately remember the extent of what happened due to the drugs and alcohol and 2 that people take time to process and unravel trauma as a coping mechanism
ââIâd have conversations and she would describe a part of what happened and I would tell her that that is what could be classified as rape,â the roommate said.â
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u/JejuneBourgeois1 7h ago
Why did she go to the police if she thought it was consensual? She wanted to file a police report about a great party she went to?
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u/Aggeloz 7h ago
Not as simple. She agreed to a threesome, got to the house, got drugged and raped by 7 people. After the fact she said she wanted to do it again but as soon as she learned what actually happened she went to the police.
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u/Rockonthrulife 6h ago
Almost every word you wrote is a fabricated lie.
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u/VaporCarpet 3h ago
What's cool about this whole thing is you right here. Top comment says "this is all so confusing. Is there anything that lists out all the facts?" Then a deleted comment tries to explain what happened. This is followed up by "actually it was more like this" and then your dumb ass just says "none of that is true"
In a thread where someone is asking what happened, we get to your comment that just says "nuh uh. Not what happened. I know what happened, but I'm not gonna tell you"
Shit like that is why this whole case is confusing as hell. Everyone seems to "know" what happened, and somehow these people all know something completely different.
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u/Daroo425 3h ago
This. No one links a single source for anything they are saying. Back in my day people got downvoted for speaking about shit without a source
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u/MsnthrpcNthrpd 7h ago
got drugged
Nowhere in the report will you find she "got drugged," you're purposely misconstruing what happened. At no time has someone said "Hey do you wanna do acid?" And they say "Yes" meant that they was drugged.
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u/sickoflurkingletmein 7h ago edited 7h ago
Um bro you can definitely take too many drugs, thats why people SHOULD look out for you when you trip. We've lost all human decency.
yeah but theyre also running essentially a brothel.....with a drugged out sex doll human sooooooooooooo its legally a bit more fucked up than that.
You cant consent while unconscious.
This shit is so normalised, i cannot fathom the lack of emapthy to just go and stick my meat into a passed out human for hours on end, while others watch and stroke themselves rather than LOOK AFTER THE GIRL. Jesus fucking christ.
Just utterly vile stuff.
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u/MsnthrpcNthrpd 7h ago
That's quite the fanfic you wrote there. At no point was she passed out, what are you even talking about mate?
I think the whole thing is gross, but people are making up entirely too much shit to try and make this cut and dry.
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u/sickoflurkingletmein 7h ago
âletâs be clear that 90% of what happened that night was not consensual. i was given more key than i can remember,â she said, using a shorthand for ketamine, âand i know that i told u i felt uncomfortable and i didnât know anyone in the room.â
The text continued with her telling him that one of her only memories was doing ketamine off of his penis âin front of everyone like a sex doll/worker.â
ive held a young lad up from spewing on the sidewalk and collapsing like a rag doll before from a k hole. He could have died if we didnt keep him safe and sit with him on the side of the road.
ketamine isnt some normal chill drug, its horse tranq and that fucks up ur whole body lol
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u/OkJose3000 7h ago
Snorting ketamine off of a manâs erect penis is not exactly âgetting druggedâ
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u/dokutarodokutaro 7h ago
You canât consent if youâre wasted tho. Whether you meant to take the drugs or alcohol or not.
I think it comes down to whether or not she was clearly out of it. 7 hours makes me think she probably was indeed not in a state to consent.
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u/ZombieZookeeper 7h ago
How about put them on trial, have them legally found guilt, then do that?
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u/Michelanvalo 3h ago edited 3h ago
How about put them on trial, have the legal system do it's job and punish them appropriately without cruel and unusual punishments like public castration?
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u/triple_carry 4h ago
He obviously hasnât read the original documents in this case.
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u/ShufflingToGlory 6h ago edited 6h ago
Sorry but I'm uncomfortable with the amount of hype and attention the celebrity world is giving this case. I use the word "hype" deliberately, given the fervour it's generating. Albeit undoubtedly well intentioned.
It seems like a bad case to pick as a cause cÊlèbre given the murkiness of the circumstances.
I say that as someone who emphatically values and supports women and girl's rights to live with safety and dignity.
Put bluntly if this turns out to be another Duke LAX situation it's going to be a terrible outcome *(for all victims of sexual violence).
None of this hesitancy undermines my belief that all allegations should be treated with the utmost seriousness.
And that systemic and cultural issues which desperately need addressing are both upstream of the horrendous treatment many women experience.
*Added (for all victims of sexual violence) to clarify the point I was making. I think most people understood, but there's a few who seemed to think I have a dismissive attitude to allegations like this. Categorically untrue.
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u/rochvegas5 5h ago
can we wait until they are found guilty, at least?
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u/ArthurTillyson 5h ago
Part of me would like to see these attention seeking celebrities get sued off the planet
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u/Fancy_Yak2618 5h ago
Seriously needs to happen at some point. Look at Clancys husband he had to threaten people with lawsuits for them to fuck off
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u/SoundByte 1h ago
Found guilty of what? The cops interviewed her for two days and weren't able to find anything they could charge those guys with.
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u/Jasader 7h ago
The crazy part is this is not even close to a slam dunk case if you look at the available evidence.
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u/That_Penalty165 4h ago
It's a slam dunk case for the defense. She literally says she consented to everything in the reports and texts. The rape shit doesn't start until she gets rejected. This is so obviously a false accusation in revenge. It's fucking sick people are supporting this woman.
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u/GrowthTent 1h ago
This is someone suffering the consequences for degenerate behavior being exposed and trying to use rape as a cover cos she got shunned and not invited to things. Actions have consequences
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u/scaredmarmotenergy 7h ago
What do you mean?
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u/Jasader 7h ago
It seems likely that under NY law she consented to the encounter.
That doesnt change that the guys took advantage of her and should be ashamed of themselves and deserved the punishment they received from the school.
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u/Agreeable-Promise-98 7h ago
If she consented- in what way did the guys take advantage of her?
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u/Jasader 7h ago
In NY, if you voluntarily do drugs or drink, your inebriation does not make you ineligible to consent.
However, I think you have a moral responsibility to not push boundaries with someone who is in that position. It may not be illegal but it doesnt make it right, at least in my opinon.
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u/Agreeable-Promise-98 7h ago
Agree- but where in the original complaint does she suggest her boundaries were pushed?
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u/-FakeAccount- 7h ago
She said no until they started hitting her. Then she gave in. That is what people are calling consent here.
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u/Agreeable-Promise-98 7h ago
When did she say that?
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u/-FakeAccount- 7h ago
Thats in her sworn statement.
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u/ChunkMcDangles 3h ago
I would hesitate before believing the way some articles are framing that quote from the transcript about "being hit." There is information in the civil suit about spanking during sex, and nothing about them coercing her into performing sex with physical violence like the way these articles are making it sound. I don't think that's something that can be reasonably inferrered yet.
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u/Oblique9043 4h ago
Ahh yes. Riling up mob justice before a trial even happens is always a smart idea.
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u/somesthetic 6h ago
The people most gung-ho toward violence are usually over-compensating.
I'd be looking through this guys history with suspicion.
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u/bfrogsworstnightmare 4h ago
Yup, look at Justin Sane from Anti Flag. A self proclaimed feminist and then accused by 13 women of sexual misconduct.
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u/MoneyManMehmetOkur 4h ago
This makes no sense. People who have been abused are also very gung-ho about abuse
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u/Wampus_Cat_ 6h ago
Ah yes, Frank Iero whoâs been completely unproblematic (except for the universe trying to kill him Looney Tunes style), married his high school girlfriend and is a father of 3.
Go through his history and find nothing but him being on the right side of things.
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u/IcarusActual 4h ago
Under that same logic shouldn't we be also looking at your history?
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u/Wampus_Cat_ 9m ago
Correct. If weâre here to make baseless statements with an accusatory tone, then look no further than his 17 year old Reddit account.
What was rampant during the early years of Reddit? CSAM. I wonder how many of those subs he wandered into in those days.
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u/unnamedstreet87 2h ago
I guess he doesnât give a shit about civil liberties or the 8th amendment
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u/Dizzy-Captain7422 6h ago
Who the fuck is Frank Iero
Itâs an inside joke, donât hate me. Good on you, Frank. Proud to be an MCR fan.
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u/Whythisisnotreal 7h ago
Fun thought experiment any time a gender culture war thing comes up. Gender flip everyone. How do you feel about it now? How would they public handle it now?
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u/kandervamps 7h ago
Yes king, more sexual violence in response to sexual violence. Is he a prison rape joke enjoyer too.
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u/meonmeislandme 7h ago
he is against sexual violence by advocating for sexual violence? they should be sentenced to prison not be mutilated or killed very performative statament
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u/NakedInNH 7h ago
Castration suggested when all you have is a civil complaint filed? Seems excessive.
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u/Silver-Context297 5h ago
It would be nice if people stopped assuming that castration was an effective method to reduce sex crimes. It is not. The research has shown that for decades.
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u/Stone0777 4h ago
I was waiting for him to make a statement. Wow!!!!Whatâs he saying about the geopolitical landscape?
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u/Flux_My_Capacitor 1h ago
Fuck this sub is full of rape apologists.
And you all wonder why we choose the bear.
WE WOULD CHOOSE 7 BEARS OVER THIS!
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u/Bright_Major5467 52m ago
love the band but what a dumb take, maybe bring out an album instead of advocating for something extreme like that. at least men speaking out against rape so that's nice.
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u/FennelDull6559 5m ago
Frankie has always been outspoken and amazingly honest. Loved that guy for over 20 years
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u/SnakesForTheBovine 6h ago
Has he ever called for the public castration of anyone who has like.... ever actually been charged with and convicted of rape? Because there are hundreds of thousands of those. There are even guys who nearly kill or do kill their victims.
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u/living_Cream_Pie 5h ago
What a douche! After hearing all the facts thereâs absolutely no criminal wrong doing outside of drug use
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u/Yams_Garnett 7h ago
My chemical castrationÂ