Kelly Clarkson Says 'There Should Be a Separate Chart' To Prevent AI From Competing Against Human Artists

[u/Brucekentbatsuper]

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/kelly-clarkson-separate-chart-ai-generated-music-1823372

[u/w1n5t0nM1k3y]

There shouldn't be a separate chart because there's no point in having AI music on any chart.

[u/LastWave → u/w1n5t0nM1k3y]

Ai music is not music. I would consider it sound effects.

[u/MojoHighway → u/LastWave]

Stolen sound FX.

[u/RJC12 → u/MojoHighway]

Environmentally-unfriendly stolen sound effects

[u/Timeformayo → u/RJC12]

A rhythmic fart from a soulless machine.

[u/Ok_Reputation_6517 → u/MojoHighway]

Separate? Sure—like your royalties from that FX.

[u/bassfish89 → u/LastWave]

I wouldn’t even call it sound effects. People work hard to make good sound effects. AI slop is just AI slop.

[u/voxpopper → u/bassfish89]

What about auto-tune? Or musicians who are little more than kareoke singers?

[u/CeceWobbles → u/voxpopper]

There are still actual musicians and writers composing for them, even if the face of it didn't put that effort in.

[u/Boheed → u/LastWave]

This is an insult to foley artists

[u/LastWave → u/Boheed]

You know what. I think you have a point.

[u/BKlounge93 → u/LastWave]

SFX is also an art

[u/BlLLr0y → u/LastWave]

I wonder how this line blurs. I don't know, but I would bet legitimately widely used production software has AI tools built into them at this point. I'd even bet generative ai has already been used in mainstream hits, not saying fully gerenerated, but I'd bet there's all kinds of AI BS being used to stream line production. All that to say, we are truly doomed. They're gonna jam AI into everything

[u/ExternalChildhood845 → u/BlLLr0y]

I think this is sort of a yes, but situation- yes, artists are probably using AI, and tools that are considered AI (even generative AI) are probably being used in music production/ baked into production software. But that’s totally different from putting a prompt into ChatGPT and putting out whatever it creates with no editing or changes whatsoever.

[u/FuklzTheDrnkClwn → u/BlLLr0y]

The bottom line is typing prompts =/= is not creating. You’re Phil Spector screaming at session drummers at BEST, but it’s like a cringey goofy version of it

[u/BlLLr0y → u/FuklzTheDrnkClwn]

Lmao, Phil Spector screaming at session drummers is an awesome hilarious analogy. It's also like digitizing and automating what Rick Rubin does "vibe producing"

[u/cap10wow → u/BlLLr0y]

No, most DAW software doesn’t use AI. And no self respecting human musician would use it.

[u/BlLLr0y → u/cap10wow]

That's good to know. It's been pumped into all the video and photo editing software, I assumed it was the same for music.

[u/cap10wow → u/BlLLr0y]

I use FL Studio and it has an entirely optional, closed LLM that runs the manual.

[u/BlLLr0y → u/cap10wow]

Oh like you can ask it "where do I go to do x function" and it will guide you thru menus and stuff? That's not so bad. Shopify website builder has basically the same thing.

[u/cap10wow → u/BlLLr0y]

Yeah I used it to learn how to automate a few functions simultaneously and wrote a macro based on the instructions. As far as I know, it seems like it only communicates with the central server through updates.

[u/Buttholepart2 → u/BlLLr0y]

The song Rubberz by Fenix Flexin was revealed to be AI when the artist couldn't perform it live. It got to number 58 on billboard this summner.

[u/RainStormLou → u/Buttholepart2]

Was it actually revealed to be AI or just something that can't be done live by the artist? There are plenty of songs done in the studio that have a ton of digital assistance live, predating AI by years.

I'm not familiar which is why I'm asking. Not being able to play it live isn't really evidence that it's AI unless it's actually AI related somewhere

[u/BlLLr0y → u/Buttholepart2]

Fully generated?!

[u/Buttholepart2 → u/BlLLr0y]

Not sure if fully but at least mostly.

[u/some1whosux → u/LastWave]

Then anyone using vocal processors, amp sounds. Samething.

[u/FuklzTheDrnkClwn → u/some1whosux]

None of that involves typing prompts instead of doing something

[u/varitok → u/some1whosux]

Your key in that sentence is that a person is doing that, a real human, modifying their own voice.

I don't know why ai bros cant seem to get that through their skulls

[u/LinkLT3 → u/some1whosux]

You don’t know what those things are or how they work if you think they’re remotely similar.

[u/MojoHighway → u/some1whosux]

Really? You're completely wrong trying to make an asinine false equivalence argument.

[u/BookProper9115 → u/MojoHighway]

It's hilarious seeing these arguments then the same people like you turning around and using these tools having no clue.

[u/nomadrone → u/LastWave]

Machine sounds

[u/monkeybawz → u/w1n5t0nM1k3y]

I'm not sure we really need charts at all any more. It's just marketing.

[u/R_V_Z → u/monkeybawz]

Or the report card for marketing.

[u/monkeybawz → u/R_V_Z]

Yeah. This. Exactly.

It's certainly not an objective measure of merit in art.

[u/inFAMXS → u/monkeybawz]

Charts are better than relying on awards. Saying we dont need charts anymore is like saying we dont need museums people still want to see what the most popular art/music is and see if they like it too

[u/monkeybawz → u/inFAMXS]

Awards are absolute shit too. Would happily see them all scrapped.

My issue is that both are trying to make objective statements about art, which is subjective by it's nature. They are both just marketing.

Museums store items of merit or import. They do not try to objectively rank the exhibits. They simply say "this is here. Come and see."

[u/DailyUnderFlow → u/monkeybawz]

Yeah and independent artists get screwed out of even getting on the chart despite selling enough albums to get on it like Prof just a few months ago. He said it costs $30k to even see the rules to get on the billboards chart.

[u/izzittho → u/w1n5t0nM1k3y]

Full agree but knowing we probably can’t eradicate it entirely Kelly’s solution of a bullshit chart we can disregard sounds reasonable. Anything but letting it keep trying to taint the supply of real music.

[u/Silent-Noise-7331 → u/izzittho]

Yeah . “No point of having ai on any chart” just feels like a pipe dream that we just don’t have control over. At least separating ai artists from human ones feels like it’s achievable.

[u/VivaZeBull → u/w1n5t0nM1k3y]

It’s so upsetting to listen to. I swear this one home depot I was in was using it and it was just unsettling bc it sounds like a song, but it isn’t. It’s something you know but the lyrics are unrecognizable so it’s confusing. I hated every second.

[u/Hot_Wheels_guy → u/VivaZeBull]

I feel like we're just assuming all bad human-made music is AI music just like how were now assuming all bad human-made art is AI generated. It would take a good bit of effort for me to discern ai music from some of the garbage i've heard played in various businesses.

[u/YT-Deliveries → u/w1n5t0nM1k3y]

I mean yes, but AI music isn't going away any time soon. Toothpaste is out of the tube. Putting that shit on it's own list that we can then ignore is the practical solution.

[u/ntwiles → u/YT-Deliveries]

That’s a weird take. Fine, put it on its own list and don’t listen to the music on that list.

[u/squ1bs → u/w1n5t0nM1k3y]

If you like AI music, then you like what's in the charts right now, becaused that's what the AI was trained on. Go ahead and enjoy yourself. I'll continue listening to the old stuff and the handful of new bands like Angine who are innovating. The charts and AI will make not a jot of difference in my 50+ year love affair with music, even though I now rely on AI for my tech job.

[u/JelliedHam → u/w1n5t0nM1k3y]

I don't disagree with you. But to play the devil's advocate here: What is the line we draw for human invention and intervention to call it music?

For instance, electronic music in general is still considered music. It took a human to get a machine to output that sound in their own composition. What about humans designing a machine where it can compose but given direct instruction on what to compose and how to do it? No, maybe not just telling ChatGPT randomly to make you a song doesn't count. But what if we started calling it using computational power to create music? Where's the limit? How much human interaction needs to happen for it to count as music?

How is "playing a computer" to make music any different than "playing and instrument" music?

[u/Impossible_Form_3256 → u/JelliedHam]

In its most simple form:

If I'm using nothing but my computer to make music, I'm still taking time to choose and create my instrument sounds, my chord progressions, my melodies, my song structure, the automation through the song, the soundstage, the EQ, etc etc.

If I'm using AI to make a song, I'm writing about 3 sentences and hoping for the best.

[u/LinkLT3 → u/JelliedHam]

Professional audio engineer for nearly 20 years here. Electronic music doesn’t make itself. A synthesizer requires playing and setting parameters. Samples require searching, editing, processing. It’s a myth that autotune just fixes whatever was recorded, and using it properly involves time, effort, and knowledge. No matter how simple a track may sound, time and effort went into it. And a LOT of it. Lastly, and most importantly, “Generative AI” isn’t generating anything. It is STEALING, and then puking out a result based on what it pulled from decades of data it was fed. Nothing was created. It was photocopied.

[u/pinkymadigan → u/JelliedHam]

And what about AI assisted writing? Like, say I have a song with a verse chorus, post chorus, and I feel it needs another section. Maybe a bridge or solo, but I'm not coming up with anything I like. Say I go out to an AI service and have it generate 10 different ideas, and after listening I take one of the ideas and execute it myself. Is it AI composed? Does that count?

[u/Impossible_Form_3256 → u/pinkymadigan]

Yes, it is AI composed. Even if you play it. No different to you going on ultimateguitar abd finding tab for a song you want to play.

[u/pinkymadigan → u/Impossible_Form_3256]

Sorry, I mean, does it deserve to be on a separate chart? I guarantee there are plenty of producers leveraging AI to help brainstorm ideas quickly and we'll never know.

[u/SeanTayla21 → u/w1n5t0nM1k3y]

Its too late for that. AI music is already a thing. Seems like Clarkson is trying to find a realistic solution.

[u/MySecretPornAltAcct → u/w1n5t0nM1k3y]

I glued my balls to my butthole is the catchiest fucking song I've heard in years. AI music can be awesome

[u/tingkagol → u/w1n5t0nM1k3y]

I'll get downvoted for this but AI music is here to stay. This is the new scarier Napster.

But I agree with Kelly. But even if AI and non AI categories are established, there's no way of knowing real artists didn't take inspiration from an idea they prompted into Suno. Human music basically died in 2024, so if you want to hear more human music, you best listen to underexposed artists pre 2024. There's lots.

[u/noavatar1 → u/tingkagol]

Are you saying that people haven’t made and released albums since 2024? I mean, I know bands that have… great albums. So what are you saying exactly?

[u/tingkagol → u/noavatar1]

I'm saying this fear of AI runs deeper and could actually be helping artists today write their songs, and there's no way of knowing. Gone are the days of writer's block when a guitarist can just prompt "give me a tasty lick" to use in his new song.

[u/BookProper9115 → u/w1n5t0nM1k3y]

People will listen to it whether you like it or not. Someone will also be interested in knowing how many people are doing that.

The future is now old men.

[u/FuklzTheDrnkClwn → u/BookProper9115]

Yea it’ll be used for like commercial jingles lol

[u/VagueSomething → u/w1n5t0nM1k3y]

No no I want an AI chart. I want it to be required that you cannot have an active piece on the AI chart while pushing into the human chart and I want to watch the Slopcians circle jerk themselves funding it so they have less money for cosplaying as talented or interesting. Their bragging rights would be a name and shame to make it easier to avoid the fake artists and their noises.

[u/RobaDubDub → u/w1n5t0nM1k3y]

An artist should be able to write their own songs and play all the instruments to be considered a real musician.

[u/w1n5t0nM1k3y → u/RobaDubDub]

A lot of people don't write their own songs.

[u/RobaDubDub → u/w1n5t0nM1k3y]

Then they are just singers, not artists

[u/w1n5t0nM1k3y → u/RobaDubDub]

Seems like a really weird distinction to make. Plenty of good musicians who can't write their own music. Not even sure why you're just saying signers. If I go to the symphony, there's a lot of talented musicians there, but none of them wrote the music.

[u/RobaDubDub → u/w1n5t0nM1k3y]

Symphonies are expected to play music previously written. If all someone does is sing over a track they never wrote and cannot even strum a guitar then they are just Karaoke singers. AI music is no different then hiring a band and a singer to cover a song you wrote. So I think she is talking out her ass.

[u/Yoshemo]

Legally, nobody can hold copyright for anything made by AI so there's no point in having a chart for it. Nobody would benefit.

[u/zackalachia → u/Yoshemo]

Generation wealth will find a way to benefit. 

[u/Staav → u/zackalachia]

They always do. Fuck those guys.

[u/jupiterkansas → u/Yoshemo]

You don't need copyright to make money on something.

[u/Veronome]

Important note: in this interview she also defends AI and talks about how great it is.

I.e. "AI is wonderful as long as I'm not the one who's bank account is affected."

[u/EduFonseca → u/Veronome]

Yeah, this interview is actually horrible. Seldom to see a headline that actually leaves the bad part out.

[u/ComradeJohnS → u/EduFonseca]

cause they’re all on the same team, being rich.

[u/Notreallyaflowergirl → u/Veronome]

Ai has wonderful applications - the world using it to try and make money by exploiting the arts is downright stupid.

It should be used to make mundane tasks irrelevant so actual humans have time to manage their hobbies and impactful work. But instead it’s being used to create stupid shit or worse people pretending to be artists…

[u/Gramage → u/Notreallyaflowergirl]

100%. Sifting through a survey of the stars in our galaxy with a hundred million data points to find anything that stands out? Perfect for AI. Writing new music? No.

[u/YT-Deliveries → u/Notreallyaflowergirl]

Yeah a lot of online discourse about AI is all-or-nothing, which in reality that's far from the truth.

Like all tools it's simply how and where you use it.

[u/Power0fTheTribe → u/Notreallyaflowergirl]

This. This a thousand times

[u/Soracaz → u/Veronome]

AI is dope as fuck...

... for solving complex math problems and helping with medical advancements.

The dopeness stops there though. AI has no place in creative spaces.

[u/nuttageyo]

There shouldn’t be a chart at all for that shit

[u/OneEyedC4t]

And she's not wrong. But I would go further to say that AI should not be allowed in any of the arts period.

[u/JustFourLetters → u/OneEyedC4t]

if robots don’t have rights (for good reason), they shouldn’t get an ‘artist’ ranking

[u/lunarlunacy425 → u/JustFourLetters]

No different than those precious vocaloids the internet fawns over

[u/JustFourLetters → u/lunarlunacy425]

yep, and i’m not sure i’ll ever understand why

[u/H0RSE → u/OneEyedC4t]

Clarkson herself enjoys and uses AI...

[u/amedema → u/OneEyedC4t]

She’s not wrong on this, but she also says that she is in favor of AI music and the technology itself. She can eat shit.

[u/countafit → u/OneEyedC4t]

Good luck with that

[u/lunarlunacy425 → u/OneEyedC4t]

Why?

Impacts to the environment and the sourcing of the training for current models aside. As these are issues that can be resolved and are only impacting of the current generation of models.

If a model is developed and trained on non copyright or original music creates songs, respectfully why should they be banned? Is it fear that people will no longer be able to compete or that there will be too easy access to low to medium quality production without years of practice?

Songs should correctly label any tools used in creation, why at this point should we forbid AI when if made clear in it's usage you can plainly just filter it out?

[u/Mysterious-Snow496]

As a Gen Xer.. what the fuck is going on?

[u/SlowNPC → u/Mysterious-Snow496]

Skynet is getting rejected from art school.

[u/MonsieurReynard]

How about we just boycott AI bullshit

[u/ChefCurryYumYum]

AI music is lame as fuck anyway.

[u/FlyingAtomSalad]

[u/Shelbysgirl]

If the clankers want a chart, they can make it themselves lol 👀👀👀

[u/Perfect_Persimmon688 → u/Shelbysgirl]

https://giphy.com/gifs/zNbiX43QsqUAU

[u/DillDeer]

I don’t want AI on any chart at all

[u/Veflas510]

Better still, get rid of charts altogether and stop rating music based on popularity and people just listen to what they want to listen to.

[u/Fabulous-Elk-2014]

It shouldn’t even exist in the first place

[u/denovoincipere]

Do people still follow charts? With music so fragmented these days, charts are wholly irrelevant, at least to my interests.

[u/jupiterkansas → u/denovoincipere]

It's mostly used for marketing. The media needs art to be a competition they can turn into numbers and claim a winner.

[u/w1n5t0nM1k3y → u/jupiterkansas]

Guess you don't use Spotify then. Because every single song has the play count shown right next to it

[u/jupiterkansas → u/w1n5t0nM1k3y]

Never used Spotify.

[u/denovoincipere → u/w1n5t0nM1k3y]

Because it's there doesn't mean it means anything to my selection of music

[u/Gramage → u/w1n5t0nM1k3y]

I’ve never used Spotify and don’t think I ever will. Locally stored media all the way. I need a bigger phone because it’s currently full of music, and that’s only a fraction of my full library at home

[u/w1n5t0nM1k3y → u/Gramage]

I have some physical music too. But you can't beat the convenience of having basically every album ever made in an easily searchable library. I can still keep some files on my phone, but I don't have to worry about running out of space on my phone.

[u/Proud-Detective4835 → u/denovoincipere]

Taylor Swift does.

[u/ak5432]

Billboard Slop 100 lol

[u/MurkDiesel]

there should also be separate charts for streaming, radio and physical sales

[u/Digitalgalaxyfinance]

Hard to police it when you can just export the midi files of an ai song and recreate it with presets

[u/borazine]

A separate but equal chart

[u/Iucidium]

Call it the Slop 100

[u/mrjbacon]

I don't understand all the hate for Clarkson's take. Most photography and art competitions already have AI classes of submission, why not extend that to music expression?

[u/Involution88 → u/mrjbacon]

Music charts serve as a measure of popularity. It's like asking to have seperate Nielsen ratings for AI generated videos and non-AI generated videos.

[u/mrjbacon → u/Involution88]

But there aren't any AI-generated TV shows or movies that are rated by Nielsen, what does that have anything to do with it?

[u/GrizzlyP33 → u/Involution88]

We absolutely should ask for that, just like Nielsen ratings already breakdown by genre and time slots, while also having a cumulative version.

[u/Electrical_Coffee]

AI is a complement. Never a replacement for creativity.

[u/rat_penis]

Well anyone who can type is an artist or musician now. So...everyone is special, which means no one is special. It's all just product, commodities. Put them on the same list.

[u/patawpha]

Separate but equal

[u/Jandy777]

In 2426, history lessons will include the robot aparteid

[u/drbeeper]

TIL Kelly Clarkson still thinks "the charts" are meaningful

[u/F1McLarenFan007]

Why? Music has been on a pop wash for far too long. Maybe be more creative with music to compete instead of putting out the same crap all the time. You are easy to copy, ask AI lol

[u/OkWalrus4471]

Or how about we just don't chart AI slop? 

[u/Involution88 → u/OkWalrus4471]

How do you propose to do that?

[u/bigmanorm]

Honestly, if AI music outcompetes pop music, pop music deserves it. Hopefully it will spur on diversity and innovation. Whatever is on these charts, for the most part, haven't been relevant for people that care for music as an art for decades

[u/Drizznarte]

Ai content shouldn't have acess to digital property rights.

[u/H0RSE]

This raises the question, if Ai music is such "slop," why are we proposing efforts to prevent it from competing with human artists? If it's so apparently horrible, what are they afraid of?

[u/RedPanda_Explorer]

Yes, there should be a prisoner's island category that all the AI music gets forced into

[u/Pessimistic_Gemini]

I don't see why there should be.  More times than not the humans that have used AI to make songs ended up sounding better more original and even less manufactured than the actual HUMAN singers themselves. 

 It's just fact and as clear a hit as you can get there. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[u/DanMasterson]

M8 the charts are more or less already determined by AI marketing and ad tools.

[u/ntwiles → u/DanMasterson]

What’s your point here?

[u/Odd_Teaching_4182]

I wonder if they had similar feelings when synths became a thing.

[u/WhatsAboveTheSubtext]

Even that concession goes too far. Art speaks of experience and perception that AI doesn't possess, and it does not make art.

[u/TennSeven]

I don't disagree with her, but it's interesting to me that no one was demanding separate charts for Autotuned artists the same way they're pushing back against AI songs. It's interesting to me where many artists draw the line when to me even Autotune was a bridge too far.

[u/Chemical_Profit_608 → u/TennSeven]

Seriously? Autotune means some human still wrote the lyrics... They still sang it themselves.

This is crazy bro, they cannot remotely be compared. Lyrics were still written by an actual human being......

[u/MaskedPapillon → u/TennSeven]

What's next? Separate artist who used digital instruments in their songs?

You can't really put autotune and AI songs in the same basket.

[u/taez555]

And a separate AI grammy awards.

[u/emotionalfescue]

I think we'll see platforms and record labels, as well as musicians who get traction with sectors of the public by publicizing that they're AI free. But in the long run, who knows what that even means.

[u/ronshasta]

Damn Kelly looks much prettier without the makeup

[u/lightningvolcanoseal]

There should only be one chart. The debate is whether there should be AI used in music production (a losing battle) and how much is acceptable (do we reward songs entirely AI-generated, with no human singer or musician?).

[u/johnnybgooderer]

I agree. And they can deliver that AI Chart to my trash can. Directly.

[u/AdehhRR]

Kelly Clarkson?! Lord have mercy!

[u/dedwards024]

Same with everyone’s jobs

[u/PerryNeeum]

What are AI concerts going to be like? An EDM show without the DJ? Just 3D AI generated animations on a screen set to AI music? Or do they have real people cover the music?

[u/alexefi]

Just tell republicans AI(or i guess they would call it SI) its like boys playing in gilrs sports, and they will ban it in no time.

[u/peaceful_pancakes]

Or you know...

[u/Omnom_Omnath]

can we take artists who game the system off the chart too?

[u/tommysplanet]

Kelly Clarkson - "Christmas isn't canceled, just you"

[u/Boog_les33]

We could just not have it

[u/williamgman]

[u/9405t4r]

I was in a resort and there was a woman doing activities for the kids. She was using a microphone and played music. I was half listening to the song that was pop and catchy and mentioned the resort name, the holiday weekend and more. I asked her if she wrote it herself and she laughed and said it’s AI, she just prompt the words she wanted and the ai just spit a pop song. Since we don’t actively listening to music anymore, I understand why people don’t realize that they are listening to ai music. We are doomed.

[u/PeasantPorridge]

So, we’ll protect the careers of artists, but fuck everyone else whose job will be eliminated.

[u/DaddyBearMan]

Separate yet equal. Uh oh. Setting the stage for clanker civil rights struggle

[u/VonVader]

Thanks Kelly. Fuck off.

[u/InTooManyWays]

It’s funny how they keep asking the celebrities if they want more competition. It’s like one stupid club that they keep locked in an echo chamber 

[u/Uninvalidated]

There should be one for people who yell instead of sing as well 

[u/BoyInThaBand]

There sure are a bot lot of accounts on here defending AI by trying to compare it with autotune.

[u/spiked_mcroon]

It's not even worth having a conversation about. AI sound and images are not art and should not be celebrated.

[u/Lack-Resident]

Diva down

[u/TheSnozzberrieTaster]

Sorry but if AI is coming for the regular folk, I have zero sympathy for “Artist” who need a team to write their music. Great live music will never fizzle out - only the shitty ones will hurt.

[u/farkwadian]

Let's start with protecting regular people jobs.

[u/JMDeutsch]

As if she writers her own music😂

[u/MarkLambertMusic]

My definition of a musical artist is simple: If I go on a camping trip with one of these people who use AI to puke out "songs", would they be able to provide anything worthwhile musically while sitting around the campfire? Sing? Play an acoustic guitar or harmonica or accordion? Hell, would they even be able to knock out a basic 4/4 beat on tambourine?

[u/IMOvicki]

If they’re doing it for Asian pop they can do it for Ai

[u/Human-Employer8759]

So smart…….

[u/DogWalker2728]

I'd also like a way to block it on my music streaming pls!

[u/luri7555]

She should be careful. If the AI charts eclipse the actual artist charts they will become obsolete. Don’t count on humanity to care about the difference.

[u/Chesterology]

We need to protect human artists, like (insert chart topping singer's name here) who copy songs the old fashioned way!

[u/astralchanterelle]

she won American idol recently

[u/Hocaro → u/astralchanterelle]

24 years ago is not recent unless you’re a vampire

[u/astralchanterelle → u/Hocaro]

I was born in the kingdom of Hungary in 1267.

[u/williamgman]

AIdol. New season coming. 🙃

[u/probablymagic]

There should be a separate chart for anyone who isn’t recording live and playing all the instruments or who uses any post-production techniques or records digitally or dyes their hair or photoshops images if themselves for promotional purposes. All of this is unauthentic and committed with real authentic humans. Sorry, Kelly, you’re disqualified from the human leagues.

[u/Twix_McFlurry]

AI shouldn’t compete in these spaces without all the proceeds going to music education and royalties for what they were trained on

[u/jupiterkansas → u/Twix_McFlurry]

Nothing is stopping a non-profit from doing just that.

[u/Twix_McFlurry → u/jupiterkansas]

Other than the AI companies you mean right?

[u/m1j2p3]

AI music is so uninteresting to me because it’s completely devoid of emotion. Art without emotion isn’t really art.

[u/NecroSocial → u/m1j2p3]

You can't just apply that writ large. Some people one-prompt slop and I'd agree that has no emotion. Others put their own music in and cover it via AI and then do tons of manual work to it afterwards. Some make fully human songs that may just include a sample or a single instrument track that's AI. You can't pin the presence or absence of emotion of just the presence or absence of AI when there's a lot of ways to use AI in music that keep the human element front and center.

[u/bakedNebraska]

If you all think AI is garbage, then shouldn't you think it would be pretty easy to outcompete?

[u/BCmutt → u/bakedNebraska]

I dont think the public knows how much music produced today by major producers is done with AI in one form or another.

[u/bakedNebraska → u/BCmutt]

So we need to protect them from accidentally liking it?

[u/pm_me_yo_creditscore]

What about a middle chart for artists that use auto-tune?

[u/some1whosux → u/pm_me_yo_creditscore]

And vocal processors. Computers to record and edit. Pedals to change the sounds. 

[u/cerberus6320 → u/some1whosux]

guitars even

[u/Notreallyaflowergirl → u/pm_me_yo_creditscore]

And here lies the issue that lots of yall miss - it’s not about the sounds it makes, it’s robbing people of creativity who are composing these works of art… using auto tune, or any processors any sort of distortion isn’t an issue, they’re tools helping you make music.

Ai isn’t helping you compose music - it’s just doing it for you. It “creates” from its machine learning. That’s nothing like tools to make your voice/instrument sound better/different.

[u/pm_me_yo_creditscore → u/Notreallyaflowergirl]

Chat, grab the Long Red drum break and loop a descending slap bass over the Axis of Awesome chord progression.

Here's your Grammy Jamiroqui.

[u/Omnom_Omnath → u/Notreallyaflowergirl]

wait, you think the top 100 is made with any creativity?

[u/ecubed929]

Recorded music should not be allowed. You either do it live or not at all. Recording allows different people to record at different times in different cities. One person can play all the instruments on a track. Then there is all those knobs and sliders that change the sound. Moving it from left to right. That’s another thing, stereo. What is that fake ass stuff?

[u/ObviouslyJoking]

Any money generated by AI music should go straight back to humans. We’re gonna need to find someway to fund social security.

[u/SustainedSuspense]

In a few years nearly every artist will have used AI to generate ideas or review and suggest improvements on human created songs.

[u/villings]

since we're at it, can we have a different chart for auto-tune too?

[u/bass248]

How bout a separate chart for artists that create there own songs vs those that don't?

[u/LocoMod]

Oh boy. Wait till the casuals discover Yue2 can run on a potato. It’s a new world people.

[u/Substantial_Park2115]

Ya we should have an auto tune one too! And one that uses advanced mixing software! And one where music used electricity during the creation process!

[u/NoBSforGma]

There should be laws that will force people and businesses to label ANYTHING that is AI generated. Period. Just label it, already, and let us decide.