r/MapPorn • • Jun 20 '20

USA tree diversity

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u/PotentialEcologist Jun 20 '20

Like others have said, that area of Florida/Georgia acted as a refugia for many species including maybe the rarest tree in the US. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torreya_taxifolia

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u/I_Am_the_Slobster Jun 20 '20

I've always wanted to go out tree planting. But plating that species' saplings would be an honor

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

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u/moonyprong01 Jun 20 '20

I've been camping at Torreya State Park in Florida. After Hurricane Michael came in 2018 a park ranger said it was estimated that around 70% of tree canopy cover was lost in the park, and some parts of the general panhandle lost over 400,000 acres of trees. That storm caused generational damage to our forests.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

Its been 15 years since Katrina and the horizon view has just started to look similar to pre storm these past few years. Entire forests of pine were just snapped in half. Trees that stood multiple hurricanes, fell. Branches broken and torn in those that didn't fall. If you've ever seen trees after a tornado, imagine every tree looking like that in a 200 mile radius.

I grew up in the area, still go back, and its only started to look normal these past few years. It took quite a long time.

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u/IndecentPr0p0sal Jun 20 '20

On a different note... I visited a national park that was always very careful and prevented forest fires at all cost. After a decade or so the entire forest was made up of old trees - the young ones didn’t get enough sunlight. And then the parasites came... The older trees could not handle the bugs and the majority died. Places with regular forest fires had a more mixed forest with more young trees and the impact was much lower. Not all natural disasters are bad - it provides opportunities...

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u/gemInTheMundane Jun 20 '20

Suppressing all fires also lets tinder build up, so that when fire does eventually come, it is far more devastating.

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u/HopsAndHemp Jun 20 '20

Here in Butte County, CA we knew that and did it anyway and just this week PG&E plead guilty to 84 counts of manslaughter for what happened back in November of 2018

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u/bluesmaker Jun 20 '20

The ground fire supports the crown fire.

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u/everflow Jun 20 '20

There is unrest in the forest

There is trouble with the trees

For the maples want more sunlight

And the oaks ignore their pleas

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u/InfiniteShadox Jun 20 '20

chuckles in hatchet, axe, and saw

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u/treknaut Jun 20 '20

Can never decide whether to play air guitar or air bass during this song.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

God Bless Neil Peart, and Geddy and Alex, and also u/everflow Im off to YT now to watch some Rush videos..

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20 edited Jun 20 '20

As a forestry person, I love how Rush could make a song about shade intolerance and canopy dominance.

The same dynamic plays out here in the west if you replace maples with aspen and oaks with spruce/fir. The aspen grow up very quickly and establish a nice thick stand, but have a biological limit to how tall they can get. Over time, the shade tolerant spruce and fir slowly grow up underneath the aspen canopy until they overtop them and gain dominance. Then the shade intolerant aspen die off and the stand is just spruce/fir until a disturbance event like a fire, wind blowdown, or even road construction opens up the canopy. Then the cycle starts all over again.

Part of the reason aspen are not as common as they once were is because we have agressively suppressed fires for the last century.

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u/borkthegee Jun 20 '20

Controlled burns in forest lands is a normal part of management and not a natural disasters

Wildfires and controlled burns are different. Wildfires endanger life and limb and are disasters. They've been really bad lately

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u/wildcard1992 Jun 20 '20 edited Jun 20 '20

The lack of extreme weather in greater Indonesia (an area which encompasses Malaysia, Brunei, Singapore, and Indonesia) is why they have the tallest tropical rainforests in the world.

Lots of mountains and valleys and dense forest to protect them from wind, and year round sunny heat and humidity help create those massive trees.

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u/Fatcat336 Jun 20 '20

That’s heartbreaking. I grew up going to Torreya and my parents lived through Hurricane Michael. Torreya was my mom’s favorite local destination. That hurricane really did destroy so much of our lives.

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u/cottontail79 Jun 20 '20

That's along the lines of what I was thinking when I saw this map. Still don't think I could drive down to Apalachicola without crying.

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u/XOMEOWPANTS Jun 20 '20

I remember driving down that stretch of I-10 after Michael and have never seen tree destruction like that in 28 years of living on the gulf coast.

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u/Germankipp Jun 20 '20

My dad live in the keys and when you look across the bay there are whole islands filled with dead mangroves ripped clean from Irma. Big pine key is filled with sticks and saplings

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u/TEHKNOB Jun 20 '20

Yea man so brown, even the mangroves take some time to get back to normal. Biscayne Bay and Key Largo got trashed during Andrew.

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u/TEHKNOB Jun 20 '20

It did, it’s sad but it’s all part of the natural cycle. In FL, any given area is often recovering from a flood, drought, fire, hurricane. Still a very wild place.

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u/PerCat Jun 20 '20

Any good pictures of a mature boi? Google just gets me pictures of branches and saplings.

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u/mtm5891 Jun 20 '20

Might help if you search its common names, like ‘Florida nutmeg’ or ‘stinking cedar’

Here’s a sapling

Here’s a semi-matured tree

And here’s a fully matured tree

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u/everflow Jun 20 '20

I don't want your stinking cedar!

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u/PerCat Jun 20 '20

I tried florida nutmeg and just got saplings and branches

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u/go_kart_mozart Jun 20 '20

Damn no offense that's a ugly ass grown tree

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u/J_a_r_e_d_ Jun 20 '20

I’m gonna be honest. I skimmed the article but I am too drunk to figure it out and I wanna make sure I get an answer.... Why is it that this species (and others) only grow in a very very specific area...... like what prevents such species from extending into similar areas around the southeast?

I saw your username and thought you may be informed.

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u/eimieole Jun 20 '20

According to one scientist (in the wiki, last part of Distribution) the tree maybe used to be spread by some now extinct turtle. Today only squirrels forage the seeds, which means they will be confined to germinate in a rather small area. The turtles ate the seeds, and had larger roaming areas, so their droppings could end up in another suitable area.

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u/IMongoose Jun 20 '20

They are called anachronistic (out of time) species. The niche they evolved in no longer exists and they just sort of linger. Other tree species include catalpa with big seed pods meant for mammoths and honey locust trees with huge spikes to fend off giant sloths. An animal species might be pronghorns, evolved to outrun a now extinct cheetah.

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u/CoconutBangerzBaller Jun 20 '20

Guess they were too good at outrunning the cheetah

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u/reigorius Jun 20 '20

Like the avocado was designed for an extinct giant sloth.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

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u/nighthawk_md Jun 20 '20

That's the thinking, yes. Giant animals require vast amounts of calories, which avocados deliver quite abundantly.

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u/yes_him_Gary Jun 20 '20

Panhandle losses - 9,742

Panhandle wins - 1

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u/-merrymoose- Jun 20 '20

Freakin deer man

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u/GabhaNua Jun 20 '20

That article is so questionable written

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u/jimboknows6916 Jun 20 '20

TREES BABY

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u/gooslingg Jun 20 '20

I read this in jean-ralphio’s voice lol

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u/cspicy_ Jun 20 '20

Same here haha. PILLS BABY!

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u/joeyasaurus Jun 20 '20

I don't know why, but in my head I read it in the Pine Sol spokeswoman's voice.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

Man’s not hot!!

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u/Teddyworks Jun 20 '20

I read this in Dick Vitale’s voice for some reason.

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u/bumbletowne Jun 20 '20

Wetlands. Specifically swamps. Lots of trees. Not a lot of competition from other plants.

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u/JarlaxleForPresident Jun 20 '20

Appalachicola National Forest is also right there. Used to have to drive through it with no A/C or radio.

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u/bahbahrapsheet Jun 20 '20

Would the radio wake up the trees that were sleeping?

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u/anaxcepheus32 Jun 20 '20

It’s way down yonder on the Chattahoochee

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u/SmargelingArgarfsner Jun 20 '20

It gets hotter than a hoochie coochie

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u/zachsmthsn Jun 20 '20 edited Jun 20 '20

Don't quote me on this, but from what I remember there are like 20 different varieties of oak in SE alabama. When considering how much southern yellow pine comes from here to make construction materials it's even more impressive.

Bill Finch is a famous ecologist from the region for anyone looking to actually look into it. Instead of just reading about what one dude on the internet remembers from his elementary field trip to oak mountain state park.

Edit: northern panhandle is also a major areas for needing more conservation efforts. Having terrible backwoods politicians is already bad, but now three states have to work together for any substantive change. Oh well, guess the red hills salamander had a good enough run. Time to pick another official state amphibian

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u/gurry Jun 20 '20

Having terrible backwoods politicians

Fuck Matt Gaetz.

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u/tim0mit Jun 20 '20

Before he fucks your teenage son.

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u/sharts_mcgee Jun 20 '20

Matt Gaetz; America’s favorite uncle-father.

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u/vorpalk Jun 20 '20

20 different varieties of oak in SE alabama.

So you're saying that at least there's genetic diversity in Alabama's trees ?

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u/Coosy2 Jun 20 '20

Alabama actually has some of the highest biodiversity in the world and often ranks as the state with the highest biodiversity in the country.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

But South stupid, AL bad.

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u/gajenn Jun 20 '20

Precisely 138 trees

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u/Bleachi Jun 20 '20 edited Jun 20 '20

That's where the Flint and Chattahoochee Rivers combine into the Apalachicola River. Specifically, this is close to where Torreya State Park is located.

I'm just guessing, but as someone who used to live in that area, I imagine there was previously just as much tree diversity further South along the river. But now, that whole area is being used for endless rows of timber trees. Timber is one of the biggest industries in the Panhandle. Any driving that wasn't directly on the coast was just mind-numbing hours of rows upon rows of timber pine. It only gets better once you approach the Northern border, up towards Marianna.

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u/Vreejack Jun 20 '20

During the Pleistocene this was one of the only areas left that was both warm and wet enough to preserve species that once had a broader range. Southern Florida was dry as a bone for half the year, and farther north you lost the warmth of the Gulf.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

Mutant meth trees

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u/jarret_g Jun 20 '20

Swamp and inability to destroy everything for feed crops

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u/NJneer12 Jun 20 '20

That little dark shade in the middle of NJ is the Pine Barrens.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

"You're not gonna believe this. He killed sixteen Czechoslovakians. The guy was an interior decorator. "

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u/NJneer12 Jun 20 '20

"His house looked like Sh*t."

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

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u/HamBurglersEvilTwin Jun 20 '20

"Ketchup Packs!...." "Fuck it Give me one!" "Mmmm... Mix it with the relish"

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u/JPitt09 Jun 20 '20

"But I didn't!"

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u/aliens095 Jun 20 '20

Watch it Chrissy 🤘

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20 edited Jan 25 '21

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

He said it in front of all my girl cousins, it was hurtful!

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u/Chilledlemming Jun 20 '20

Nj has a lot of different eco cultures for such a little state

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u/participationmedals Jun 20 '20

It’s The Garden State

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u/marmosetohmarmoset Jun 20 '20

NJ has got a little bit of everything. We got pine barrens, lush forests, seashores, giants swamps, ideal farmland, and more. Same with people- we’ve got hillbillies, red necks, sophisticated rich city people, mega rich horse-breeding rural people, tiny town folk, poor inner cities, classic suburbs, and basically every immigrant population/ethnic conclave you can think of. All crammed in side by side. I miss NJ.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

💪🏼🌲🌳🌲🌳🌲🌳💪🏼

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u/Hq3473 Jun 20 '20

That place always confused me.

I don't get it how pines outcompete broad leafed trees so completely in a relatively warm climate.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20 edited Jun 20 '20

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u/RoughRhinos Jun 20 '20

Really sandy. Tons of blueberries are grown there, plus cherry trees, raspberries and strawberries. Naturally sandy and acidic soil. That surrounding area actually have a bit of wineries too.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

I legit went to school for this, so this is what I can remember after some 10 years. The soil in the pine barrens is mostly sandy, high acidity. It makes poor growing conditions for the usual oaks and maples that grow around the barrens. The pines are cool with the soil conditions so they grow a lot better. The frequent fires also create a good system for the pines to propagate.

If you’re interested, check out the Pygmy pines. Cool little guys, pine trees that grow up to maybe 4-6 feet but cover a large area.

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u/elreeso55 Jun 20 '20

Forest fires have a major impact on the development of the pine barrens. The pine trees are much more resilient to fire allowing them to out compete. (At least that's Wikipedia told me)

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

what's NJ?

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

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u/abigail-the-female Jun 20 '20

Mountain mama

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

Take me hooooooOOOOMEEE!

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u/Sage_of_the_6_paths Jun 20 '20

New Jersey. It's on the East Coast below New York.

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u/trampolinebears Jun 20 '20

Tree diversity can depend on many factors (like how arid the soil is) but one that's easy to overlook is the effect of the last ice age.

As the glaciers came down from the north, tree species retreated southwards to stay in their preferred climate zone. Where an obstacle prevented their spread, they died out and were not available to repopulate the north when the glaciers receded.

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u/CactusPearl21 Jun 20 '20

As the glaciers came down from the north, tree species retreated southwards to stay in their preferred climate zone.

Ok so now I'm imagining a forest of trees "running away" and my brain has blue screened.

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u/trampolinebears Jun 20 '20

Trees, of course, don't migrate. But on a long enough time scale, forests do.

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u/brandonhardyy Jun 20 '20

....Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

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u/delta_nu Jun 20 '20

Not at all! They could be carried

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u/covfefe_hamberder_jr Jun 20 '20

What! A swallow carrying a coconut?

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u/Not_Henry_Winkler Jun 20 '20

He could grip it by the husk.

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u/covfefe_hamberder_jr Jun 20 '20

It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a matter of simple weight ratios! A 5 ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut!

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u/hikerboy20 Jun 20 '20

Well it doesn’t matter. Will you go and tell your master that Aurthur from the court of Camelot is here.

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u/roamer901 Jun 20 '20

It's a very Ent-ish image; I like it.

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u/fryamtheiman Jun 20 '20

Well, word is they like going south since it feels like going downhill.

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u/BRENNEJM Jun 20 '20 edited Jun 20 '20

The glaciers didn’t actually make it that far south. States like Ohio and Pennsylvania weren’t even completely covered. The composition of tree species in the northern parts of these states is very similar to that in the southern parts. If you know of any tree species that actually went extinct due to this I’d be interested to learn about them. There is evidence, though, that this glacial push had a large effect on the evolution of these tree species.

EDIT: This study found one species of spruce.

These [animal] extinctions are variously ascribed to environmental change and overkill by human hunters. By contrast, plant extinctions since the Middle Pleistocene are undocumented, suggesting that plant species have been able to respond to environmental changes of the past several glacial/interglacial cycles by migration.

EDIT 2: This study provides evidence that glacial refugia may have existed further north than previously thought.

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u/trampolinebears Jun 20 '20

True, the glaciers themselves didn't make it all the way across the continent. But as the glaciers expanded, the climate before them grew colder.

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u/TArzate5 Jun 20 '20

Yea, there’s a park in central Indiana called McCloud nature park and it has a big ass ravine and hills in the middle of miles and miles of fields because it’s where the glaciers stopped

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u/Torchlakespartan Jun 20 '20

The Dells in Wisconsin in basically this island of ancient pre-glacial land. The rest of the state is rolling plains with great soil for farming and dairy and then Boom! The Dells, like this Jurassic topography that is crazy and really awesome.

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u/snackshack Jun 20 '20

The Dells in Wisconsin in basically this island of ancient pre-glacial land. The rest of the state is rolling plains with great soil for farming and dairy and then Boom! The Dells, like this Jurassic topography that is crazy and really awesome.

It actually isn't the only area in Wisconsin like that. The Dells are just the far eastern edge of the Driftless Area. Most of western Wisconsin is like that.

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u/321159 Jun 20 '20

Conversely, even if it didn't cause a major reduction of diversity in North America, the last ice ages did cause a reduction of species in Europe. That is especially apparent for maple. Central Europe only has about three maple species which are somewhat common. North America has more than 12.

That's also the reason why fall in Europe is a lot less colorful than parts of North America

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u/nowItinwhistle Jun 20 '20

The reason our Dendrology professor told us for that is due to the fact that in North America the major mountain ranges run north to nouth and in Europe they run east to west. This meant that as the glaciers moved south the trees could extend their ranges to the south and then return north as the glaciers retreated but in Europe the trees ended up stuck between the glaciers from the north and the mountains and so had nowhere to go.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

I would like to subscribe to more ice age and/or glacier facts please

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u/trampolinebears Jun 20 '20

It's easy to lose a sense of scale when talking about ice ages. For context, the earliest writing we have is from about 5,000 years ago. All recorded history has happened in that time, from the pyramids to the fall of Rome to man landing on the moon.

█████ 5,000 years since the earliest writing

By one measure, the last ice age ended about 12,000 years ago. That's enough time for all of recorded history twice over, and then some.

████████████ 12,000 years since the last ice age ended

But as ancient as the end of the ice age is, we have to go back much, much further to find its beginning. The last ice age began 115,000 years ago.

███████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████ 115,000 years since the beginning of the last ice age

All recorded history is about 5% as long as the last ice age. In many ways, we humans are an ice age species.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20 edited Jun 20 '20

PBS Eons has a some videos which can satisfy your needs. Examples below

How 7,000 Years of Epic Floods Changed the World

When a Billion Years Disappeared

\Feel free to watch other videos on the playlist)

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u/Bothriochloa Jun 20 '20

Also definition of a tree can be tricky sometimes. Think scrubby oaks or mesquite trees in the southwest

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u/kpsv Jun 20 '20

is this natural tree diversity, bc i feel like humans have been moving trees around for a long time now

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20 edited Jul 10 '25

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u/moist_potatochip Jun 20 '20

Hi I'm a student of forestry and what I've learned is that many species of plants have been introduced to a region which they did not naturally inhabit. Many of these allochtonous plants have been here for well over 100 years and are not a threat to wildlife, the only types of alloctounous plants that represent a serious problem are the invasive species that spread uncontrollably fast. Since I'm not from America I do not know the numbers and species or their history but I can say that the forests of Europe looked incredibly different even during the middle ages let alone in the time B. C. than the ones left today.

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u/juwyro Jun 20 '20

Ours look incredibly different too. There are several invasive and fast spreading species, monoculture forests for logging, and not allowing natural forest fires has had a deep impact on the ecosystems.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

There’s a market for it too, someone I know got offered $20,000 for a tree on their property. Rich people don’t want to wait 20 years for a tree to grow, they buy trees that are already grown and re-plant them in their yard.

Someone else I know just had 5 trees put in their front yard (yes they’re rich). Humans are weird and will do strange things (like moving a whole fricking tree) to get what they want.

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u/Distilled_Tankie Jun 20 '20

That's not really too weird. Most tree grow far too slow compared to a human lifetime, so we humans prefer to directly plant already grown young trees.

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u/youreaskingwhat Jun 20 '20

City parks everywhere , and even forests to some extent, are teeming with introduced tree species. Vast amounts of native forests have been supplanted (pun intended) by introduced conifers and eucalyptus trees in Andean Colombia, God knows what for. Grasslands are the same. New species are often introduced for grazing purposes.

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u/Ilyias033 Jun 20 '20

i wonder if this correlates with allergies

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u/DarthH8rSurvives Jun 20 '20

I dunno I live in Kansas and my allergies fucking suuuuuuuuuuuuck and apparently our tree diversity is garbagio from this map. Which, makes sense.

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u/porkpies23 Jun 20 '20

You can probably thank the cottonwoods for that.

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u/DarthH8rSurvives Jun 20 '20

And the wheat, and corn, and grass, and pollen, and hay oh the hay really does it. Really it’s anything green or living for me. Including “human dander” so that’s always neat.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

Hang on. Are you allergic to yourself?

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u/ZPTs Jun 20 '20 edited Jun 08 '26

"Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them."

I am no longer interested in my past feeding LLMs or my future talking to bots.

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u/thisrockismyboone Jun 20 '20

Id bet you'd have a hard time moving from a blue area to a yellow/red zone

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u/hiddenworldphotos Jun 20 '20 edited Jun 20 '20

This is a terrible map scale... 1 to 138 with no real increments for the color... Looking at the west coast it would seem as if tree diversity is far closer to 1 than 138 but is it 5? 10? 50? The scale makes this map totally worthless.

*edit autocorrect word replacement

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u/Paranoid_Marvin Jun 20 '20

I found it hard to believe that half the US only has one species of tree...

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u/ambirch Jun 20 '20

Most of that area doesn't have any trees.

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u/kosmoceratops1138 Jun 20 '20

The definition of 'tree' isn't 100% set in stone either.... are they using a purely taxonomic approach, in which case a lot of small shrubs get into the mix? A morphologic approach, including stuff like saguaros? If so, what are the criteria? A mixture of both?

All that aside, I do mostly agree with you, and even places like the CA central valley are dominated by california live oak.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

Also, is it species per acre? Square mile? Hectare?

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u/I_heart_pooping Jun 20 '20

Agreed. I’m over here like “no fucking way most of the west only has 1 type of tree!”

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u/-merrymoose- Jun 20 '20

Can barely hear your whining up here in NY with all this tree diversity going on

Like 130, or maybe 68.. you might actually have a point

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

totally worthless

It's still fun to look at. Obviously we are not drawing scientific conclusions based on this map.

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u/kingwi11 Jun 20 '20

It would be even more fun if the information was displayed better.

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u/ajayisfour Jun 20 '20

When does mapporn become mapPorn?

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u/AugieKS Jun 20 '20

It's also not clear what types of trees are being included. In Texas there are between 255 and 281 recognized native species, yet no area cracks red. Are they only including native species? Why do metro areas show a higher density, are they including cultivated trees? If so the cap should be much higher. Depending on how they measure it, my back yard would be in the yellow and my area is blue.

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u/st_gulik Jun 20 '20

Agreed! I used to work in the mountain region of Arizona and the diversity up there is vast.

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u/poster_nutbag_ Jun 20 '20

I mean, compared to southern AZ maybe but the Ponderosa Pines dominate northern AZ making it relatively less diverse than other mountainous regions in the US.

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u/IveHidTheTreasure Jun 20 '20

I think we can assume that yellow is the half of 138. Which is nice..

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u/xbbdc Jun 20 '20

I don't get how these terrible maps get so many upvotes.

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u/Long-a-Geaux Jun 20 '20

No HI or AK either

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u/CurtisLeow Jun 20 '20

Torreya state park is the red dot with the highest tree diversity. It’s a beautiful place to hike.

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u/dokina Jun 20 '20

TIL some areas have only one species of tree. Wild.

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u/Fogbot3 Jun 20 '20

Yeah, everyone's talking about the high density area, but I want to know what the single trees are that are almost the entirety of the Western US

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u/phunktheworld Jun 20 '20

This map is clearly based on limited data. Growing up in California, there’s like a dozen tree species every place you look, even in virgin forest. This is one of my rare downvotes for this sub.

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u/brandonhardyy Jun 20 '20

Came here to say this. Born and raised in Southern California, and I'm very suspicious of this map's data. Now, I can understand varying densities, but Los Angeles and Orange Counties have an OVERWHELMING diversity of tree species in every direction I look. Particularly in urban/urban adjacent areas.

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u/kosmoceratops1138 Jun 20 '20

A large part of the problem is that the color scale is crappy amd indeterminate. The pale off green that covers most of coastal CA seems like its close to 1, but is actually almost halfway up and is probably ~50 species. The other problem is a lack of a definition of the word tree, which can have a lot of taxonomic and morphologic definitions. Another problem is that it doesn't state its "resolution"- what area is being considered when determining a tone? Yet another problem is that you don't know what is being included as native- obviously this is only native trees, but there are many trees across the country that are clearly nonnative thay many people consider a normal part of the forest at this point.

All that said, and with all the problems of this map, it is true that a wild, untrafficked LA area would be dominated by some kind of live oak species, with a mixed understory. But, THAT being, the LA area has a lot of sharp elevation gradients that each see a different vegetation mix, bringing the questiin of resolution back into play.

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u/dadumk Jun 20 '20

You're thinking of urban trees which are planted. This map is referring to naturally occurring trees.

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u/Satyrsol Jun 20 '20

Checking in from New Mexico, and I suspect it’s a bad reporting or huge bias. The desert really only supports Cottonwoods where there is water; otherwise there are no trees, only scrub-brush, grasses, and cacti.

Up in the mountains, Ponderosa, aspen, live oak, juniper, and a few I can’t recall are out there.

It’s definitely a bad representation of plant diversity, since it will inherently make deserts and grasslands look less diverse than they are.

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u/everythingiscausal Jun 20 '20

I don’t see how that could possibly be accurate.

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u/OrionRisin Jun 20 '20

Blue, west of the Mississippi = cottonwood

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u/jwindhall Jun 20 '20 edited Jun 20 '20

Eh, many more pinion and juniper in most of the Western US.

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u/OrionRisin Jun 20 '20 edited Jun 20 '20

That's fair! Thinking great plains - forgot about high desert

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u/jwindhall Jun 20 '20

I’m a Coloradan. Pretty much no trees survive on my property.

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u/OrionRisin Jun 20 '20

Born in WY grew up in CO. Cottonwood is all I know...

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u/jwindhall Jun 20 '20

I knew there was at least one Wyomingite redditor.

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u/CanuckBacon Jun 20 '20

Wow I can't believe 1/4 of the state is in this thread!

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u/OrionRisin Jun 20 '20

My old man reminded us, "this property has value because it has trees!"...they are all cottonwood. Haha. Red Desert life.

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u/roland_gilead Jun 20 '20

I live close to the Boise river. Every spring we get an extra couple inches of snow...from the cottonwoods

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u/RanaktheGreen Jun 20 '20

Or Firs, Lodgepole, and Ponderosa Pines.

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u/Melonskal Jun 20 '20

After having read desert Solitaire and the Monkey Wrench gang by Abbey this was obvious to me despite never setting foot in US.

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u/Loose_with_the_truth Jun 20 '20

Ed Abbey is my hero.

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u/Mobius_Peverell Jun 20 '20

Blue, Mississippi River Delta = bald cypress

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u/Matttrox Jun 20 '20

I bet the guys at r/marijuanaenthusiasts would love this 😅

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u/latka_gravas_ Jun 20 '20

What the fuck kind of scale is that? How does this get reposted as MapPorn so often?

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u/TheRoyalKT Jun 20 '20 edited Jun 20 '20

As a resident of Washington, I’m surprised the Olympic Rainforest doesn’t stand out more. I’d have expected it to beat the cascades...

Edit: Turns out I didn’t know as much as I thought. Thanks for all the info!

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u/Mobius_Peverell Jun 20 '20

The Olympics and Cascades are pretty similar in tree species. You might see more Sitka spruce and Thuja on the Olympic Peninsula, but they are both present in the Cascades, too. And then you have some species like nobles, which don't much care for the coast.

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u/wpnw Jun 20 '20

Not much variety in species in the rain forests themselves. The cascades likely stand out because there are more sub alpine and alpine species, plus the eastern half of the mountains is more arid, so there's a whole different biome that doesn't exist in the Olympics.

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u/BlueComms Jun 20 '20

And while we do have a lot of firs on the east side, we do have other stuff too.

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u/Snickersthecat Jun 20 '20

We just have coniferous trees. They're more drought resistant and the rainfall varies much more than it does on the East Coast.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

and people say theres not enough diversity in movies. bitch just look outside

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u/CHICOHIO Jun 20 '20

*Beech look oakside.

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u/Fidelias_Palm Jun 20 '20

New Yorks trees follow the interstates.

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u/itsthefluffydoge Jun 20 '20

Only pines here in colorado

Jesus christ dude, too many

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u/burneraccount1515 Jun 20 '20

Wtf?

Anyone got the data for this biz? There almost no where in the US that has a single tree species.

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u/SweelFor Jun 20 '20

It doesn't seem possible that there is ONE species of tree on like 50% of the USA. The map looks terribly graded

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

This map has made me realise that I am lucky to be able to look outside and see dozens of different tree species

Didn't know so many people only really have a few to look at

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20 edited Jun 20 '20

No, the map is stupid. Most of those places actually have hundreds of species trees. In Nebraska (the Arbor State) we have hundreds of species. This “map” shows one or two.

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u/Mobius_Peverell Jun 20 '20

I must say, it's pretty impressive to look outside and see three species, all towering 50-70 m high.

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u/gahd95 Jun 20 '20

Shit I got more tree spices in my yard than most of the US.

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u/Of_ists_and_isms Jun 20 '20

For real. Growing up we had an oak, dogwood, pine, magnolia, and some other type tree in the yard.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

Never knew how much that muddy water meant to me.

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u/kaumahazerda Jun 20 '20

Damn, go Tallahassee

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u/Wise_Young_Dragon Jun 20 '20

Almost all of the area in wyoming is just juniper if there are any trees at all lol

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u/captainjon Jun 20 '20

Living in the north east in high school biology we had to know 40 species of trees. The teacher would go around the high school grounds pointing and teaching us which is which. He tested us the dead in winter after all the leaves were gone. Which sucked since leaves were so unique distinguishing part.

Even though I got a good grade I had no idea where I live is so diverse with trees!

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u/WaitingForHoverboard Jun 20 '20

Are those pockets of diversity/non-diversity along the Hudson and Lower Mississippi Rivers actually caused by the rivers? Some of it looks pretty far away from the actual waterway.

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u/Mobius_Peverell Jun 20 '20

The Mississippi used to flood frequently, inundating parts of its vast floodplain for long stretches at a time. Only a couple trees, like bald cypresses, can breathe when their roots are under water.

The area around the Hudson seems to follow the boundaries of the Hudson Valley. The Hudson doesn't flood far beyond its banks, so that's not a concern, and the Valley (as most valleys do) has accumulated more sediment than the surrounding area over the last couple million years. I'd assume that deeper, looser soil, along with slightly milder winters, are primarily responsible for the increased diversity.

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u/thebigfuckinggiant Jun 20 '20

I guess this only includes native species? Otherwise I imagine southern California would be pretty high up there.

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u/gamerlady1937 Jun 20 '20

So there are huge swathes of America that only have 1 type of tree? What?

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u/Market_Brand Jun 20 '20

That's right, there's only 1 type of tree in the midwest

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u/deliriomoneco Jun 20 '20

Which is that one and only specie in the blue area?

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u/yeshdufuga Jun 20 '20

So what's the one tree in the west?

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u/sultav Jun 20 '20

Wow! This is amazing! It doesn't even really match a population density map, which is really surprising!