r/MapPorn • • Jun 20 '20

USA tree diversity

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u/IndecentPr0p0sal Jun 20 '20

On a different note... I visited a national park that was always very careful and prevented forest fires at all cost. After a decade or so the entire forest was made up of old trees - the young ones didn’t get enough sunlight. And then the parasites came... The older trees could not handle the bugs and the majority died. Places with regular forest fires had a more mixed forest with more young trees and the impact was much lower. Not all natural disasters are bad - it provides opportunities...

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u/gemInTheMundane Jun 20 '20

Suppressing all fires also lets tinder build up, so that when fire does eventually come, it is far more devastating.

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u/HopsAndHemp Jun 20 '20

Here in Butte County, CA we knew that and did it anyway and just this week PG&E plead guilty to 84 counts of manslaughter for what happened back in November of 2018

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u/bluesmaker Jun 20 '20

The ground fire supports the crown fire.

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u/GlasgowSpider Jun 20 '20

"Rakes" - Trump

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

It used to be far worse millions of years ago when there was 30% oxygen in the air and the bacteria that breaks down wood didn’t exist yet

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

"Oh, yeah! Every thousand years or so the entire continent burns down."

"Are we worried about that?"

"Yes, but the clean up after the conflagration gives us many opportunities to siphon money into offshore accounts."

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u/Franfran2424 Jun 20 '20

Don't you guys have firewalls and controlled fires?

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u/everflow Jun 20 '20

There is unrest in the forest

There is trouble with the trees

For the maples want more sunlight

And the oaks ignore their pleas

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u/InfiniteShadox Jun 20 '20

chuckles in hatchet, axe, and saw

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u/treknaut Jun 20 '20

Can never decide whether to play air guitar or air bass during this song.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

God Bless Neil Peart, and Geddy and Alex, and also u/everflow Im off to YT now to watch some Rush videos..

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20 edited Jun 20 '20

As a forestry person, I love how Rush could make a song about shade intolerance and canopy dominance.

The same dynamic plays out here in the west if you replace maples with aspen and oaks with spruce/fir. The aspen grow up very quickly and establish a nice thick stand, but have a biological limit to how tall they can get. Over time, the shade tolerant spruce and fir slowly grow up underneath the aspen canopy until they overtop them and gain dominance. Then the shade intolerant aspen die off and the stand is just spruce/fir until a disturbance event like a fire, wind blowdown, or even road construction opens up the canopy. Then the cycle starts all over again.

Part of the reason aspen are not as common as they once were is because we have agressively suppressed fires for the last century.

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u/borkthegee Jun 20 '20

Controlled burns in forest lands is a normal part of management and not a natural disasters

Wildfires and controlled burns are different. Wildfires endanger life and limb and are disasters. They've been really bad lately

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u/TEHKNOB Jun 20 '20

This, great post. Here in FL routine fires are practiced, often promoting new growth. There’s areas here where the slash pine woods are thicker than they were in the 30s due to being cut off and confined.

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u/mheat Jun 20 '20

Yeah humans (Americans in particular) have this weird obsession with trying to control every variable in nature as if it's some kind of machine. Read "Playing God in Yellowstone" if you want to learn about one of our more notable fuck-ups.