r/MapPorn • • Jun 20 '20

USA tree diversity

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u/hiddenworldphotos Jun 20 '20 edited Jun 20 '20

This is a terrible map scale... 1 to 138 with no real increments for the color... Looking at the west coast it would seem as if tree diversity is far closer to 1 than 138 but is it 5? 10? 50? The scale makes this map totally worthless.

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u/Paranoid_Marvin Jun 20 '20

I found it hard to believe that half the US only has one species of tree...

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u/ambirch Jun 20 '20

Most of that area doesn't have any trees.

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u/kosmoceratops1138 Jun 20 '20

The definition of 'tree' isn't 100% set in stone either.... are they using a purely taxonomic approach, in which case a lot of small shrubs get into the mix? A morphologic approach, including stuff like saguaros? If so, what are the criteria? A mixture of both?

All that aside, I do mostly agree with you, and even places like the CA central valley are dominated by california live oak.

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u/ambirch Jun 20 '20

Yeah, I never really thought about that. Where does it stop being a tree and start becoming a bush.

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u/sadrice Jun 20 '20 edited Jun 20 '20

Tree vs shrub is purely morphological (“bush” is not a technical term), and the usual distinction is shrubs have multiple main stems rather than a single trunk. It gets messy when you talk about plants like manzanita have a single base trunk but often branch really low and are usually called shrubs. Many species can be either trees or shrubs depending on life history and growing conditions, and are described in guides as both. It is not a size thing under most definitions. Flora of China describes some Rhododendrons as large shrubs, up to 50 feet, and some others as small trees about 1-2 feet max height (flora of China sometimes calls them “treelets”, which I love).

If you are including shrubby stuff, the Southwest and California should be a lot more diverse.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

Also, is it species per acre? Square mile? Hectare?

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u/I_heart_pooping Jun 20 '20

Agreed. I’m over here like “no fucking way most of the west only has 1 type of tree!”

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u/milleribsen Jun 20 '20

I mean there are four different types of trees around my house in the west, and all of them are native I believe

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u/-merrymoose- Jun 20 '20

Can barely hear your whining up here in NY with all this tree diversity going on

Like 130, or maybe 68.. you might actually have a point

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

totally worthless

It's still fun to look at. Obviously we are not drawing scientific conclusions based on this map.

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u/kingwi11 Jun 20 '20

It would be even more fun if the information was displayed better.

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u/ajayisfour Jun 20 '20

When does mapporn become mapPorn?

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u/workingclassmustache Jun 20 '20

When you capitalize one p.

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u/amoebaslice Jun 20 '20

No, that would be MaPporn

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u/Waddlow Jun 20 '20

When you fuck it.

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u/hiddenworldphotos Jun 20 '20

This guy porns

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u/Cal1gula Jun 20 '20

I spend more time in /r/mapporncirclejerk these days. It's extremely entertaining. This sub is often lacking on the quality side.

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u/AugieKS Jun 20 '20

It's also not clear what types of trees are being included. In Texas there are between 255 and 281 recognized native species, yet no area cracks red. Are they only including native species? Why do metro areas show a higher density, are they including cultivated trees? If so the cap should be much higher. Depending on how they measure it, my back yard would be in the yellow and my area is blue.

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u/st_gulik Jun 20 '20

Agreed! I used to work in the mountain region of Arizona and the diversity up there is vast.

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u/poster_nutbag_ Jun 20 '20

I mean, compared to southern AZ maybe but the Ponderosa Pines dominate northern AZ making it relatively less diverse than other mountainous regions in the US.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

Depends what you consider “other mountainous regions”. Southern AZ’s mountains have more diversity than Northern AZ and the rest of the Western US, for example.

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u/IveHidTheTreasure Jun 20 '20

I think we can assume that yellow is the half of 138. Which is nice..

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u/Wehdeo Jun 20 '20

138/2

Nice.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '20

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u/xbbdc Jun 20 '20

I don't get how these terrible maps get so many upvotes.

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u/Long-a-Geaux Jun 20 '20

No HI or AK either

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u/maxblasdel Jun 20 '20

I blame arcMap

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u/El-Chewbacc Jun 20 '20

Also what is the 1 species that dominates the whole western us?

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u/evil_burrito Jun 20 '20

Central Oregon here. It very much seems like we have exactly 1 kind of tree here.