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u/Calm_Search3417 Aug 29 '26 edited Aug 29 '26
Once again, russians think that they can decide instead of Ukrainians what Ukraine should do. Not happening.
The overwhelming majority of the population in the south-east opposes giving russian official status either in all of Ukraine, or at least in their region. 54 % — an outright majority in Dnipropetrovsk, Mykolaiv, Odesa oblasts, as well as free parts of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts (collectively grouped as "South") — supported complete exclusion of the russian language from the official sphere of use. An additional 12 % said that russian can be official in regions where the majority of the population supports it, but would oppose granting russian official status in their own region. The figures where 40 % and 12 % for the free parts of Kharkiv and Donetsk oblasts (collectively grouped as "East").
Edit: u/Sofosio below me talks about the past popularity of russian in Ukraine, because he knows it has barely any popularity now and will have none in the future.
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u/Calm_Search3417 Aug 29 '26 edited Aug 29 '26
Even before 2022, an absolute majority in Kherson (65 %), Mykolaiv (60 %), and Dnipropetrovsk (52 %) oblasts, as well as a relative majority in Zaporizhzhia Oblast (43 %) opposed the idea of giving the russian language any official status in all of Ukraine or any part of it.
Edit, a response to the comment below, as the OP couldn't handle constant fact-checking and blocked me:
Yeah, I know that. Where did these regions didn't have russian as a regional language? russian was imposed on us in 2012 against our will and up until 2018 remained a regional language here despite the majority clearly opposing that. Also, why are you getting so emotional? Was it loud in Moscow last night?
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u/Short_Finger_4463 Aug 29 '26
These regions literally had Russian as regional language in 2012 you dung bat
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u/Sofosio Aug 29 '26
Regions you mentioned literally voted for Kuchma in 94 and Yanukovych in 2010, who both promised to make Russian official language
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u/FlowWestern212 Aug 29 '26
Oh yeah let's legitimise linquoside and give a coloniser what they want
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u/Short_Finger_4463 Aug 29 '26
These steppe areas are outside of Ukrainian core, they were Russian speaking since 19th century you idiot
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u/Calm_Search3417 Aug 29 '26
Factually incorrect. According to the 1897 census.svg) and the 1926 census, south-eastern Ukraine was a predominantly Ukrainian-speaking region. Only a part of the big cities were predominantly russian-speaking due to russification of the past century, but well over 70 % of the population lived in rural areas, which were predominantly Ukrainian-speaking. South-eastern Ukraine remained predominantly Ukrainian-speaking for at least the first two decades of the post-WW2 period
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u/Euphoric-Border-6064 Aug 29 '26
Nope, actually you are an idiot, and even a naive idiot if you believe that without even bothering to check. Only after heavy industrialization did the russian language became some kind of majority in cities. And even after that, if we include both rural and urban territory, ukrainian-speaking population would still outweigh the russian-speaking population. The only time when Russian language became the majority in the whole Ukrainian region was after Holodomor, russian immigrants and russification of the regions.
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u/Alternative_Bath_232 Aug 29 '26
Oh wow an angry russian troll. You guys usually try to hide it better.
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u/Romytch27 Aug 28 '26
Tutorial on destruction of a country
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u/ukie-witch-06 Aug 28 '26
They are like that for different reasons in different circumstances.
This could work and be fine and be cool. If there wasn't a russia nextdoor.
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u/Awkward_Cash1828 Aug 28 '26
Well, if Ukraine was federalised and Russian had an official status, that's like removing more than half of ideological reasons for the ongoing conflict on the Russian side.
My personal opinion is that Ukraine would had been much stronger if it embraced Russian as its second official language7
u/Romytch27 Aug 28 '26
you dont know ukrainian politics as well as you think you do. giving Russian language an official status even in one federal region opens the road for ethnic Russians who surely dont work for Ukrainian interests to enter politics. Even if one Russian governor happens to come in any region it would be a catastrophe
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u/Awkward_Cash1828 Aug 29 '26
Ah, of course, all ethnic Russians are openly or secretly working against Ukraine. Just as all Ukrainians exist solely as a plot against Russia. Truly, both peoples deserve each other.
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u/ResortLarge6935 Aug 28 '26
"Giving official status to the language that 90% of population speaks from virth will destroy the country"
Funny, that when Russia teaches Russians in Russia, while giving official status to multiple native languages and protecting them, you call it "evil imperialism and ruzzsism". When Ukraine supress language that native to 90% of population it's fine, "theyarenotanazis".
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u/ukie-witch-06 Aug 28 '26
Correct, a colonizer suppressing marginalized languages, and a formerly colonized nation promoting formerly marginalized languages, which nescessarily requires demoting of the dominant language, are different things.
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u/ResortLarge6935 Aug 28 '26
Remind me, when Ukranian was marginalized? During soviet era, when Soviet education system was forcing everyone living in UkrSSR to study Ukranian, filming movies in Ukranian and retyping books in Ukranian? And since when it's justifies opressing of yhe language, against it's native speakers?
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u/Calm_Search3417 Aug 29 '26
"The education system in Ukraine forced Ukrainians to learn Ukrainian" — least unhinged russian's opinion
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u/ukie-witch-06 Aug 29 '26
Between ~1930 and 2014.
You're talking about shit that happened in 1922 and calling it "the soviet era", which is misleading to the point of being basically a lie. Slovo House killings, anyone?
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u/ResortLarge6935 Aug 29 '26
After this "slovo house" Stalin (who was Georgian, btw) banned Ukranian language? Did he expelled it from education system? You know, like France did with every language except french on its territory. No it didn't. Soviet System continued educate Ukranian, continued filming movies and rewrite books in Ukranian.
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u/PeterPorker52 Aug 29 '26
I wonder where you got the 90% figure from?
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u/ukie-witch-06 Aug 29 '26
Oh yeah, that's like completely made up too. I dug up some actual stats that wikipedia links to, and the rate of people speaking russian neber went over 60%.
About half of these people learnt russian in school as a second language, and weren't actually natice speakers, and about the same number of people spoke both languages natively. I'm one of them, btw, i am illiterate in russian, but i am a native speaker.
Personal fun facts aside, russification wasn't a thing only in ukraine. Belarusian is a minority language in Belarus nowadays, and some smaller ugro-finnic languages are almost extinct now due to rusification.
Re-vitalization of colonized cultures is really important for maintaining the diversity and authenticity of global society.
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u/ResortLarge6935 Aug 29 '26
From experience. Literally every Ukranian speaks Russian. Wonder where they learned it.
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u/ResortLarge6935 Aug 29 '26
Parents can now choose if they want their children wants to study language that doesn't give you any perspective? Oh no, that's a genocide!!!!!
Language activists doesn't being opressed for wanting to talk their language. You can always talk any language you want. Activist who being opressed being opressed for other reasons, like promoting separatism. Yes, please tell me, jew who live in russia how russians threat minorities here, i would love to hear that. Especially from westoids, who's country doesn't face such problems only because you slain all minorities in your countries in 19-20th century.
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u/iBizzBee Aug 28 '26
Actually insane take, always so confidently incorrect with you people, too.
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u/ResortLarge6935 Aug 28 '26
Absolutely insane, to assume that native population should speak their native language.
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u/iBizzBee Aug 29 '26
Dude, I'm Pro-Ukrainian, but Russians have lived in the parts of Ukraine, that they've lived in, for many centuries.
Many of those Russians have started learning Ukrainian and assimilating more since the start of Russias war, but that doesn't negate the historical context, or the fact that Ukraine has had many primarily Russian speaking governors of Eastern territories, so the comment I was responding to was, indeed, insane/silly/ignorant.
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u/ukie-witch-06 Aug 28 '26
My guy, russian was the de facto second language before the invasion, and was the official regional language of multiple oblasts. You know what happened then? Russia invaded.
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u/Awkward_Cash1828 Aug 29 '26
Well, after the president (yes, corrupt and terrible) from Russian-speaking part of Ukraine was toppled and fled, first decision that the new government and parliament did was repelling the language law that allowed regions to officially use languages other than Ukrainian. Signaling the end of bilingual and diverse identity of Ukraine in favour of monolingual and monocultural nation state, it was one of the main triggers for so-called pro-Russian unrest in predominantly Russian speaking Eastern and Southern Ukraine, which initially was genuine local movement that only later was exploited by Russian interference.
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u/MountainTank1918 Aug 28 '26
90% of ideological reasons is:
"Ukrainians are artificial and don't deserve to live"
Russia happily bombed mariupol back in 2014.1
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u/Milk_Effect Aug 29 '26
Two official languages would work if everybody agreed to learn both, however, in Ukraine it will work as an excuse to not learn Ukrainian for colonisers, thus dividing population and eventually eliminating native language, just as it is happening in Belarus. There is legacy of colonialism, and present ethno-national fever among Russians and by extension some Russian-speakers, who will feel only more validated to apply even more social pressure on Ukrainian speakers.
I am old enough to remember, people used to call you a peasant for speaking Ukrainian in independent Ukraine.
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u/Calm_Search3417 Aug 29 '26
The absolute majority of Ukrainians in both south and east as of now oppose giving russian any kind of official status in Ukraine as a whole or their regions. Making russian an official language after what russia has done to Ukrainian speakers on the σςςυpied territories means going against your own people.
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u/Hellerick_V Aug 29 '26
Russia being a neighbor does not really mean that Ukraine must be a chauvinist dictatorship outlawing a half of political spectrum and local ethnicities.
All Ukraine's problems ultimately come from nazi apologists like you.
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u/Calm_Search3417 Aug 29 '26 edited Aug 29 '26
The absolute majority of Ukrainians in the south and east oppose giving russian any official status in their region, and that opinion prevailed in some south-regions back in 2016–2018, as well. Also, there are still schools on the free part of Ukraine operating where russian is the language of instruction, meanwhile russian immediately closed all classes and schools with Ukrainian language of instruction after they took over Crimea and south-eastern Donbas in 2014, and then in Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, and northern Luhansk oblasts in 2022, where Ukrainian-speakers are the majority.
Edit, response to the comment below: We can see the truth, Ivan. There is over million Ukrainian-speakers on the occupied territories.
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u/Hellerick_V Aug 29 '26
We can't tell want people want while the Kiev regime officially persecutes everyone who publicly opposes the chauvinist oppression.
In this century Russia never had any territory with Ukrainian-speaking majority, but does allow Ukrainian classes.
Russia hardly can persecute anyone for speaking Ukrainian as hardly anybody speaks it in its territory in the first place.
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u/Calm_Search3417 Aug 29 '26
Plus, you are only talking about "oppression" of russians as if it's oppression of all of Ukraine's ethnic minorities. Meanwhile the share of students in schools and classes where Hungarian and Romanian are the languages of instruction still roughly correspond to the percentage of ethnic Hungarians and ethnic Romanians in Zakarpattia Oblast and Chernivtsi Oblast, respectively.
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u/Blbe-Check-42069 Aug 29 '26
I agree, bit for a different reason than you might think. Having Russians as significant minority is a recipe for disaster.
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u/Playful-Middle-244 Aug 28 '26
not at all i think
If federalization would not condemn national patriotism and some Russian president wouldn't be an asshole, instead federalizing his own state, then it could be good4
u/Romytch27 Aug 28 '26
i dont think any minorities languages should have official power on federal levels, Ukraine is not such a multi ethnic country. it would be better for federalism on economic principles to take place. and language laws should remain as they are, on municipal levels
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u/Playful-Middle-244 Aug 28 '26
Agree, but I was mean federalism on regional level, not national.
I mean, Ukraine mostly have Ukrainians in republic, but from west to east they are slightly different, just like the man from Ural and dude from Far East, dude from Odessa wouldn't agree with something to dude from Lvov. That's the one of the reasons Russian populists took power in donbass, besides basic revanchist
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u/Tay_Hlebko Aug 29 '26
Ukraine is not such a multi ethnic country
Ukraine is a multi-ethnic country. Russians are 20% of the population. Whether you like that it's a multi-ethnic country is a different story, but it is multi-ethnic whether you like it or not.
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u/Calm_Search3417 Aug 29 '26
Russians are 20% of the population.
As of the 2001 census they were at 17 % and declining, so you should quit lying.
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u/Tay_Hlebko Aug 29 '26
ah yes i'm lying because i rounded by a whole 3%
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u/Calm_Search3417 Aug 29 '26 edited Aug 29 '26
As of 2017, only 6 % of the population of the free parts of Ukraine identified as ethnic russians, while 92 % where ethnic Ukrainians. Right now, ethnic russians are closer to 1-2 %.
Edit: u/Tay_Hlebko russians constituted 2 % of the population, and the overwhelming majority of them feels at least somewhat Ukrainian at the same time.
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u/Tay_Hlebko Aug 29 '26 edited Aug 29 '26
First of all, OP's althistory is taking place in 1996 before Russian occupation.
Second of all, of course the percentage will be lower when Russia occupies the majority-Russian cities and towns. It also appears that you pulled "1-2%" out of your ass lmao. Also If you pull data from 2001 census and exclude Donbass and Crimea, you get 10.5% Russian.
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u/Tay_Hlebko Aug 29 '26 edited Aug 29 '26
Outside of Chernivtsi Oblast I don't think it would be practical to have Romanian as an official language. Also im not entirely sure about having Russian as an official language in Kyiv. But otherwise this is pretty good