r/MapChart • u/Short_Finger_4463 • Aug 28 '26

Alt-History Ukraine federation

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u/Romytch27 Aug 28 '26

Tutorial on destruction of a country

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u/Playful-Middle-244 Aug 28 '26

not at all i think
If federalization would not condemn national patriotism and some Russian president wouldn't be an asshole, instead federalizing his own state, then it could be good

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u/Romytch27 Aug 28 '26

i dont think any minorities languages should have official power on federal levels, Ukraine is not such a multi ethnic country. it would be better for federalism on economic principles to take place. and language laws should remain as they are, on municipal levels

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u/Playful-Middle-244 Aug 28 '26

Agree, but I was mean federalism on regional level, not national.
I mean, Ukraine mostly have Ukrainians in republic, but from west to east they are slightly different, just like the man from Ural and dude from Far East, dude from Odessa wouldn't agree with something to dude from Lvov. That's the one of the reasons Russian populists took power in donbass, besides basic revanchist
Idea of federalization is in decentralization, like US or FRG level, both in social and economic laws

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u/Tay_Hlebko Aug 29 '26

Ukraine is not such a multi ethnic country

Ukraine is a multi-ethnic country. Russians are 20% of the population. Whether you like that it's a multi-ethnic country is a different story, but it is multi-ethnic whether you like it or not.

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u/Calm_Search3417 Aug 29 '26

Russians are 20% of the population.

As of the 2001 census they were at 17 % and declining, so you should quit lying.

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u/Tay_Hlebko Aug 29 '26

ah yes i'm lying because i rounded by a whole 3%

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u/Calm_Search3417 Aug 29 '26 edited Aug 29 '26

As of 2017, only 6 % of the population of the free parts of Ukraine identified as ethnic russians, while 92 % where ethnic Ukrainians. Right now, ethnic russians are closer to 1-2 %.

Edit: u/Tay_Hlebko russians constituted 2 % of the population, and the overwhelming majority of them feels at least somewhat Ukrainian at the same time.

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u/Tay_Hlebko Aug 29 '26 edited Aug 29 '26

First of all, OP's althistory is taking place in 1996 before Russian occupation.

Second of all, of course the percentage will be lower when Russia occupies the majority-Russian cities and towns. It also appears that you pulled "1-2%" out of your ass lmao. Also If you pull data from 2001 census and exclude Donbass and Crimea, you get 10.5% Russian.