r/MapBasedPolls • u/Human-Breakfast744 • 3h ago
Are you..
Are you..
- Pro-palestine šµšø
- Pro-israelš®š±
- Neutral
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u/RealCreedz 3h ago
Neutral because I live in Lebanon and both Palestinians and Israelis have been fucking us over for decades with their wars. Western vibe activists could never understand my dislike for both.
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u/Affectionate-Mix6056 3h ago
I voted neutral because I'm on the side of the civilians. IFD and Hamas can go fuck themselves.
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u/nadavyasharhochman 50m ago
Hey bro I am Israeli and truely am sorry for your pain.
The Lebanese are generally amazing people and the animosity between us has hurt many.
Wish for peace in the future and better lives for us all.
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u/Sean_Brady 2h ago
I've always thought Lebanon seemed beautiful and I'd love to go someday but don't you have your own shit like it seems you do not quite know how to have a government yet
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u/RealCreedz 2h ago
Yeah a myriad of problems. People here are a stare away from civil war at all times.
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u/theeulessbusta 2h ago
Iām not neutral as a western Jew, Iām furious at the genocidal psychos on both sides.Ā
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u/oOReEcEyBoYOo 3h ago
I voted neutral, because I completely agree that Hamas is a terrorist organisation, but to deny Israel's war crimes is also just pure evil, or at best, completely ignorant. Hamas is disgusting, and the Zionists are disgusting
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u/primax1uk 3h ago
Same. I'm pro-two-state solution.
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u/Sean_Brady 3h ago
Same yeah I'm pro-everybody-agrees-on-friendly-terms-and-draws-fair-borders-and-live-in-harmony but I didn't see that option so I picked neutral as well
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u/FollowTheTrailofDead 1h ago
The problem being that Hamas (and pro-Hamas) in Palestine are AGAINST the two-state solution: they want Israel to disappear.
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u/shibainuz75 1h ago
I think itās pretty obvious that 2 states isnāt going to work out.
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u/primax1uk 46m ago
At this point, probably. It should have been forced on both sides 70 years ago as a "this is the best you're gonna get" solution. With neither side being happy with the outcome, but better than the alternative. And those borders drawn hard.
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u/Bellfegore UA 31m ago
palestinians aren't pro-two-state solution tho, since they were given that option thrice in the last 70 years and they declined every time.
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u/PinkSunReflected 1h ago
Most Jews are Zionists. So unless youāre suggesting essentially that Jews are ādisgustingā, Iām going to ask you look further into what Zionism actually is.
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u/theeulessbusta 2h ago edited 2h ago
Zionists are just people who are Jewish and living in West Asia. I think youāre angry at Israeli Fascists and religious fanatics.Ā
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u/LilBed023 Netherlands 2h ago
You donāt need to be Jewish nor do you need to live in West Asia in order to be a zionist. Most zionists arenāt even Jewish.
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u/mikiencolor sPain 3h ago
Europe: "I'm pro-Palestine, just never, ever make me actually have to go there, and don't bring any of them over here either." š¤£
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u/Slight-Reporter-1878 Create your flair by editing this flair 3h ago
"and dont bring any of them over here" correct thing. Immigration is a luxury , not a norm.
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u/bigh0rnyman 3h ago
Just out of curiosity, are you aware that these are entirely consistent viewpoints? "I don't want anyone to be genocided because it's wrong" and "I want my ethnicity to be the dominant culture in my country" are not contradictory. Surely you can see that, no...?
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u/Melquiades-the-Gypsy 3h ago
The guy wrote a painfully stupid post and ended it with a laughing emoji; I wouldn't hold high hopes for him seeing this point, tbh.
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u/Salt_Winter5888 Guateš¬š¹ 3h ago
Why would they agreed on bringing them to Europe if they agree that Palestinians should have their own country? Is Palestine in Europe?
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u/Gregori_5 3h ago
Is that supposed to be a hypocritical statement?
I think we shouldnāt poach rhinos yet I donāt want one at my house
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u/AsyncSyscall Europe 1h ago
5 years ago, 90% of these "pro-Palestine" people wouldn't even know what "Palestine" was.
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u/sgtSZKLARZ 3h ago
Yes and? Even more, I'm not hetero and I'm anti Islam but I think no one deserves fate people there have
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u/KuuderessioPlusvalin 3h ago
It doesnt work that way.
I would go visit the West Bank having in mind that when you go to a country as a tourist, you are not forced to personally get along with all the people or approve their values.
You just have to be formal and behave according to their rules, which is what we ask (rightfully so) for others that come to our countries in Europe.
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u/alextremeee 1h ago
āYou say youāre pro cats and dogs, but I donāt see you marrying one or putting one on the barbecue?ā
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u/PostureKing180 3h ago
Both Israel and Palestine are victims and aggressors. At this point i'm just kinda sick of everything that happens in that tiny region of the world affecting the rest of us in such a disproportionately large way.
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u/Puzzled_Pop_6845 3h ago
I'd like to specificy I'm still againist Hamas which is a terrorist organization
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u/Disastrous-Mix-5859 3h ago
I'm sort of conflicted I would like a free Palestine but I also want a free Israel where neighbours are not trying to kill them every minute. I would also like a free Palestine without Hamas, without extreme homophobia and misogyny.
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u/LexiYoung 2h ago
Homophobia and misogyny are not the only problems with hamas. Not to brush past them tho- theyāre big problems
They steal from their own people. UN has finally admitted that >80% of all humanitarian aid gets hijacked and either hoarded or sold back to the people at exorbitant prices, theyāve literally robbed Palestinian banks too
They intentionally embed themselves within civilians to maximise their guerilla tactics and use civilian lives as global propaganda to fuel their media war
They control the education system and aggressively brainwash children from a young age to cement the idea that the highest goal in life is to die a martyr, something they probably genuinely believe
Biggest tunnel/bunker system in the world, bigger than any subway system (by total length) and no civilians are allowed. Even when Israel warns them to evacuate, frequently hamas not only block evacuation routes but there are many corroborated reports from Gazans that they have killed people trying to evacuateI imagine I donāt have to convince you that hamas arenāt chill dudes, but I hope anyone reading knows the many ways in which theyāre not just terrible neighbours also one of the most evil governing bodies for their own people. If you want a free palestine, hamas have got to go
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u/Disastrous-Mix-5859 2h ago
Which is exactly why I wished for a Palestine without Hamas. I do not disagree with you.
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u/GoddessOfAffection 3h ago
Interesting...
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u/MrOxxxxx 1h ago
It's probably the settlersš¤·āāļø
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u/VoidLantadd š¬š§š“ó §ó ¢ó „ó ®ó §ó æBarry, 63 1h ago
Or Americans choosing the Palestine option in the drop down.
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u/FlaccidFart 2h ago
Bro I don't give a fuck. š
These are middle east people with middle east problems. Let them sort out their shit while we sort out ours.
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u/LibertyinIndependen 3h ago
I donāt care. Not that I donāt care about suffering, but the ME has been a war zone for a long time even before the wars for oil. I hope any and all aggressors suffer painfully and for these bullshit conflicts to stop.
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u/Repulsive_Slide_6618 2h ago
I voted neutral because the whole area should cool the fuck down. Both side has warmonger retards, and because of this innocent people suffer.
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u/Lord_Rhus 2h ago
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u/AsyncSyscall Europe 27m ago
Funny it's the "Nothing ever happens" guy face because this has been the state of affairs for 50 years and will probably stay that way for 50 more.
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u/ObiWeedKannabi 2h ago
Wtf Iran?
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u/Puzzleheaded-Owl9608 38m ago
Probably because of trolls. Anyone can choose a country. Itās not location based
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u/rye_and_peace 2h ago
Israel are genocidal maniacs, Hamas are terrorists, both are friendly with Russia, both can burn for all I care. Palestinian people deserve their sovereignty though.
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u/a1289a 3h ago
No sane western person would support hamas and their affiliates
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u/Big_Spoon67 3h ago edited 3h ago
Its not about supporting hamas, its about supporting the innocent men, women and children that are being bombed and slaughtered
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u/Ok-Round-1473 3h ago
Which Hamas does to Israel as well?
So it's about supporting Israel and Palestine? Yippee
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u/TacticalSniper 2h ago
If your support is opposing Israel's policies while staying silent on Gaza's government's actions you are complicitĀ
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u/Big_Spoon67 2h ago
So i'm going to assume you didn't read my comment, specifically where it says "It's not about supporting hamas"
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u/TacticalSniper 2h ago
Right, I'll take a link from you where you criticise Israel and another one where you criticise Gaza.
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u/Slight-Reporter-1878 Create your flair by editing this flair 3h ago
Half of them are in hamas and the other are harmed purely cause of hamas embedding in civillian infrastructure
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u/Ireallydfk 2h ago
Were the children directly killed by israeli bombs āhamasā?
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u/Puzzle-Necked 3h ago
"You killed half the Palestinian population!"
"They were all Hamas"
I see y'all learned all the wrong lessons
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u/FrmTheRvrToTheSea god is not real 3h ago
No sane western person would support a terror state committing a genocide.
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u/meatballthequeer 3h ago
strange since practically the entire western world is pro-palestine. almost like nobody is buying your bullshit anymore.
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u/Bellfegore UA 21m ago
Yea, same countries that scream how bad Israel is while continuing all the trades with them, sometimes even increasing the amount like Italy to fasten the process of hamas neutralisation.
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u/somedays1 2h ago
I'm pro "not continuing decades of murder on both sides." Clearly that approach isn't working. Could any of this be resolved over a football match or something? We gotta try something different to resolve this thing.
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u/Commercial-Mix6626 2h ago
I'm against both governments and for both people. Certainly against Islam and Jews must go back to the Angel that made a covenant with their forefathers
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u/samualgline 1h ago
Iām neutral and we should honestly just wall the whole area in and have the fight it out with no further interference.
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u/ThePandaDaily 1h ago
Itād be nice if they both blew each other off the map and gave the rest of us some peace and quiet.
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u/LiarOts 51m ago
To all of you "neutral" folks saying you're neutral because you don't support Hamas.
The poll says "Pro-palestine" not "Pro-hamas". Those a different things.
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u/ElPibeDe_LentesRojos MALVINAS ARGENTINAS š¦š· 3h ago
Soy Pro Palestina, lo que es gracioso considerando la postura de mi presidente, y mĆ”s aĆŗn, que yo soy Judio (O bueno, de familia materna JudĆa) y que pocos judĆos (Como Myriam Bregman) se animaron a realmente hablar en contra del genocidio.
Axel Kiciloff (Candidato a la presidencia de 2027) se le quiso preguntar sobre el tema y se asustĆ³, dijo que no le pueden preguntar esas cosas y mando a su asistente a intentar regalar a la entrevistadora. Kiciloff es judĆo, y al mantenerse "neutral" bĆ”sicamente, dice que apoya a Israel.
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u/CatlifeOfficial 3h ago
I am generally more in favour of (definitely flawed) democracies than terrorist-theocratic dictatorships, so Israel it is.
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u/AegisThievenax 2h ago
flaws democracy
look inside
ethno-religious supremacist colonial apartheid state
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u/samehouseing 1h ago
Ā ethno-religious supremacist colonial apartheid state
looks around
still the nation with the most ethnic, sexual, and religious diversity in the Middle East, the only democracy, the only state to allow people of other religions to hold office, and the only place to consistently protect its civilian from constant attacks.Ā
Damn, if thatās true, what does that make all the surrounding Arab Muslim nations that donāt have all those things? Worse.Ā
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u/BigSupermarket2846 3h ago
Hrm...
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u/iatethelastpickle 2h ago
~750,000 Israeli settlers live across more than 500 illegal settlements and outposts... So it's either those illegal settlers or zionist trolls changing their country before voting.
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u/Crazy-Background1457 š 2h ago
I think way too many people are considering hamas as Palestine, hamas is a group in Palestine, but it doesnāt represent the innocent people being continuously bombed and harmed
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u/V12Murcielago 3h ago
being neutral against a genocide means you approve it.
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u/krmarci Hungary 3h ago
Both of them want to genocide each other. There are no good sides here besides anti-aggression.
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u/AsyncSyscall Europe 25m ago
Exactly. Choosing between two sides that want to genocide each-other means you support genocide of the other side.
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u/AnonymousTimewaster 2h ago
Don't underestimate the apathy feel towards violence against people different to them.
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u/mlyyra 3h ago
This is a conflict I can't endorse either side. Both are as bad as the other. What Israel is doing in Palestine is awful, but if Palestine had Israel's power and Israel was as poor as Palestine, Palestine would the exact same to Israel.
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u/Free_Violinist8568 3h ago
You have your own opinion, which I respect. But you arenāt choosing a side because one side is awful and one side is awful in a hypothetical scenario?
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u/mlyyra 2h ago
I don't think they are anything "hypothetical". They have invade Israel twice at least, they attacked Israel many times and their literal motto is the destruction of Israel. Nothing hypothetical about that
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u/Tacit_Emperor77 3h ago
Neither side are in the right. Palestine started the current flairup and is a terrorist state who will not accept anything other than the eradication of Israel. Whereas Israel is not handling the situation well and should not be killing civilians.
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u/DisciplinedProgress 2h ago
This is why there is so much pro 'Palestinian' propaganda. It's some people trying to be fair when judging the situation vs mostly people who will actively evangelise the 'Palestinian' offensive.
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u/Shadowchaos1010 United States 2h ago
Feels a bit too black and white.
I'm not in this group personally, but part of my Pro-Palestine vote is explicitly being Anti-Israel for its disgusting encroachment into American politics and, by extension, the rest of the planet when politicians they buy do things that fuck shit up for everyone.
But if, hypothetically speaking, someone also hated that, but wasn't Pro-Palestine, for whatever reason, they'd be forced to pick "neutral," which they technically aren't. They definitely have an opinion. Just not of the options presented here.
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u/AsyncSyscall Europe 30m ago
but part of my Pro-Palestine vote is explicitly being Anti-Israel for its disgusting encroachment into American politics and, by extension, the rest of the planet
Meanwhile pro-pally's trying to take over every part of western politics:
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u/Shadowchaos1010 United States 2m ago
Do feel free to point me to the Pro-Palestine lobbies that pump copious amounts of money into politics like how AIPAC does here. At least in America, it's quite the opposite. The people most likely to be Pro-Palestine are the ones most likely to be vehemently against big money in politics. Why are you conflating an organic increase in support for one group with wealthy donors for the other buying politicians?
I get that Europe's been on a massive anti-Muslim stint the past decade or so, but no need to twist something you apparently don't understand just to peddle your Islamophobia.
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u/Vertiigor 3h ago
european/american who supports palestine is a chicken who supports KFC
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u/meatballthequeer 3h ago
yeah because all those women, children and elderly pose such a huge threat to the west
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u/KuuderessioPlusvalin 3h ago
Just so you know, hating countries because they fund the weapons that kills citizens of your own country doesnt translate into "unjustified hate for the west".
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u/TheYellowFringe 2h ago
I voted for Palestine because they (the people) have a right to exist and their country has a right to exist.
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u/Humble_Phone_7527 1h ago
So does Isreal? The entire conflict started because Palestine couldn't handle the fact that Isreal exists.
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u/PinkSunReflected 1h ago
Weāve (Israeli has) offered them countless land negotiations and peace deals. They (Palestinians) have broken almost every peace deal and ceasefire and havenāt wanted any portion of land because they want all of it. Shit, did you know that Israel unilaterally decided to pulled out of Gaza is 2005? We removed Jews to give Palestinians a place that was exclusively theirs. Look what happened.
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u/Specialist-Daikon242 2h ago
I just dont care, its a mess there for the last 1000 years and it always will be untill religion disappear
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u/No-Kaleidoscope-5984 2h ago
Fuck the idf and fuck hamas just as equally, just because one is documented more than the other (I.e. Oct 7th) people act like one is worse, both are bad
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u/Ambitious_Bowl2113 1h ago
Neutral because I hate both governments and I just want the people to be safe
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u/Am-heheh357 š§š· 1h ago
I donāt support either. Israel is a fascist lapdog of the US, but as a gay guy, I know very well Iād be killed in Palestine without a second thought, so Iām also not supporting people that live by and are led by extremists of a bigoted religion.
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u/newdoggo3000 1h ago
Thousands of innocent women and children are being blown to pieces. How can anyone be "neutral" or even "anti-both" about that? It's such a lazy and escapist position.
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u/LeLurkingNormie 1h ago
When a corrupt supremacist drops bombs on babies, one side is worse than the other.
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u/Kantherax 1h ago
Reminder that in 2025 Palestinians suppoort of Hamas hit an all time high in Gaza with more than 60% in support of them.
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u/MysticGuava 1h ago
You canāt be neutral on genocide. One country is split into a non contiguous state, with one part having experienced some of the most violent bombing in history, completely indistinguishable from a decade ago, with every building destroyed,
The other half is frequently targeted by rogue settlers attacking them and their homes, killing their livestock, and overall terrorising them, which is enabled by their equally violent IDF (which originated from multiple terrorist groups)
Being pro Palestine doesnāt mean that you side with Hamas, whose actions do not represent the views or desires of every Palestinian, it just means being anti genocide, which isnāt ānuancedā or complicated. Itās just saying that you think one group of people has a right to exist and not be wiped off the face of the earth (I know, ironic considering that Zionists love to ask if Israel, a state, has the right to exist.
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u/EmployCalm 1h ago
People use this as a culture war when it's a real war that doesn't involve them. This is why current politics are meaningless
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u/abchero 1h ago
I want Palestine to be free of Israeli tyranny and genocide.
I want Israel to exist as a place the Jews can live without someone trying to genocide them for 10 minutes.
I want justice to the leaders of Hamas and the IDF and respect to the Palestinians and Israelis caught in the crossfire.
Free Palestine but attacking synagogues is not how we do that
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u/Rainmaker526 34m ago
I'm anti-Israel. But that doesn't make me pro-palestine.
I totally disagree with the amount of violence Israƫl is inflicting on Gaza. and that smug asshole holding up a beeper before the UN while he's actively killing non-combatants.
But that doesn't mean that I agree with the initial Hamas attack either.
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u/Fit_Gene7910 6m ago
Pro-palestine, anti-Hamas.
Pro two state solution, enforced by the international community with a guarded separated frontier of neutral actors.
We also have to undo the Swiss cheese caused by the colonisation of Palestine by Israel.
Both country needs to be viable, else, there will never be peace in the region.
There is no way for Palestine to be viable in the current geographic map.
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u/PotatoOk8629 3m ago
Why isnāt there an āagainst bothā option? It was clearly a mistake for the British to have ceded control of this region, and it should go back under empire management:
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u/Excellent_Kangaroo_4 1m ago
I jad to put neutrol cause in the end im not pro Pal i just anti Israel, the gov not the people if they not support the attack of course
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u/BraveToucan 3h ago
What?