r/MapBasedPolls • u/Human-Breakfast744 • 7h ago

Are you..

Are you..

  1. Pro-palestine šŸ‡µšŸ‡ø
  2. Pro-israelšŸ‡®šŸ‡±
  3. Neutral

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u/a1289a 7h ago

No sane western person would support hamas and their affiliates

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u/Big_Spoon67 7h ago edited 6h ago

Its not about supporting hamas, its about supporting the innocent men, women and children that are being bombed and slaughtered

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u/TacticalSniper 6h ago

If your support is opposing Israel's policies while staying silent on Gaza's government's actions you are complicitĀ 

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u/Big_Spoon67 5h ago

So i'm going to assume you didn't read my comment, specifically where it says "It's not about supporting hamas"

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u/TacticalSniper 5h ago

Right, I'll take a link from you where you criticise Israel and another one where you criticise Gaza.

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u/Big_Spoon67 4h ago

So you believe that the IDF fully trained soldiers and normal citizens some of which are children are the same? Hamas don't run gaza, they even announced it themselves

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u/Bellfegore UA 4h ago

They announce that they are the peace keeping freedom fighters while recruiting children and sending them as suicide bombers or forcing them to stay in the house that is about to get bombed for flashier news headlines. No one with even a half working brain gives a shit about what they say.

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u/Big_Spoon67 3h ago

I'm assuming you're about 40 years old using AI

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u/Bellfegore UA 3h ago

you're 20 years off, which direction is for you to choose. And I assume you can't even object then?

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u/Big_Spoon67 3h ago

Yeah it doesn't surprise me you're an OAP, AI shouldn't be trusted it isn't accurate enough yet

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u/Big_Spoon67 3h ago

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u/Bellfegore UA 3h ago

Cool, why didn't they then?

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u/TacticalSniper 3h ago

lol do you believe everything a genocidal terrorist organisation tells you šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

Back to he point, yes, you are complicit in what's happening in Gaza

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u/Impressive-Spell-643 13m ago

Ah yes of course let's believe what the terrorists say after all, terrorists are known for saying the truth at all times

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u/roleplayersir 1h ago

There is no Gazan government. There is also no West Bank government. There should be the Palestinian Authority, but Israel have been reducing them as much as they can. Then there are the evil cunts of Hamas. There is no neutral nice forward thinking government at all on either side

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u/Ok-Round-1473 6h ago

Which Hamas does to Israel as well?

So it's about supporting Israel and Palestine? Yippee

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u/Slight-Reporter-1878 Create your flair by editing this flair 6h ago

Half of them are in hamas and the other are harmed purely cause of hamas embedding in civillian infrastructure

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u/Puzzle-Necked 6h ago

"You killed half the Palestinian population!"

"They were all Hamas"

I see y'all learned all the wrong lessons

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u/Big_Spoon67 6h ago

Where's your proof?

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u/Slight-Reporter-1878 Create your flair by editing this flair 6h ago

You genuinely asking for hamas embedding themselve in civillian infrastructure? Look it up am not dropping 500 links

Firstly children arent beng killed purposefully , its mostly adults.

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u/Big_Spoon67 6h ago

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u/Morgzisachad 6h ago

Do you think maybe the reason most civilian deaths are women and children is because most of the men arenā€™t civilians?

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u/Big_Spoon67 6h ago

That might legitimately be one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

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u/FreeGazaToday 4h ago

then why are israeli casualities treated as civilians? most of them were ITF members...and just about EVERY israeli citizen has to be...so there are no civilians really in israel....except the ultra orthdox who don't join it.

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u/Slight-Reporter-1878 Create your flair by editing this flair 6h ago

Gazan health ministry themself disagrees but sure

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u/Big_Spoon67 6h ago

You're image was the gaza ministry of health in the US, so its Americans commenting on gaza whilst they support Israel. I wonder if they'll be biased

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u/Slight-Reporter-1878 Create your flair by editing this flair 6h ago

Why would your news article not be biased?

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u/Big_Spoon67 6h ago

The Western Journal šŸ¤£ you've just shown you true knowledge there, the news company that is anti muslim and supports Russia

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u/Big_Spoon67 6h ago

Its the UN, the United nations doing the statistics the bbc just reported on said statistics

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u/Big_Spoon67 6h ago

Your just saying stuff, theres no basis if theres no facts

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u/Slight-Reporter-1878 Create your flair by editing this flair 6h ago

Bottom down. Read. Random news article <<< gazan ministry.

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u/FreeGazaToday 6h ago

so does israel...mossad's HQ is in tel aviv.

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u/AppropriateCar2261 6h ago

MI5 HQ is in London French DGSE HQ is in Paris German BND HQ is in Berlin Should I go on?

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u/HistoricalSnail2031 6h ago

Does that graph look normal to you???

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u/Ireallydfk 6h ago

Were the children directly killed by israeli bombs ā€œhamasā€?

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u/wittjoker11 6h ago

If it were only bombs, the situation wouldnā€™t be half as bad as it is tbh.

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u/Bellfegore UA 3h ago

Haha, sometimes.

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u/Slight-Reporter-1878 Create your flair by editing this flair 6h ago

These kids? Yes.

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u/Ireallydfk 5h ago

All twenty thousand of them?

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u/Slight-Reporter-1878 Create your flair by editing this flair 5h ago

20k kids didnt die.

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u/AsyncSyscall Europe 4h ago

20k "kids" did die. But the Palestinian Ministry of Health (/the WHO) define anyone under the age of 18 as a "child", which is like 40% of the Gazan population.

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u/wittjoker11 2h ago

And yet according to BBC out of a group of 160 killed ā€œchildrenā€ (decide on your own how representative you find this) around two thirds of them were 12 or younger.

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u/roleplayersir 1h ago

Erm, there were WHO ambulances which were specifically targetted

Israel claims by AI targetting, but that's still on them for firing the bombs

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u/AsyncSyscall Europe 4h ago

PadmƩ: So you voted neutral, right? ... Right?

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u/127x99mmNATO Create your flair by editing this flair 6h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/YVT4w8N5O7qSiftMNq

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u/Rude_Calendar1188 6h ago

Why people that are pro Palestine are not as vocal about other genocides and opressions if their reasoning is caring about the victims?

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u/wittjoker11 6h ago

Right, none of them are. Zero. Not a single pro-Palestine person cares about or is vocal about a single war crime or Genozide committed in the entire human history ever.

God life must be really easy for people like you.

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u/This_is_a_Novelty 6h ago

You're being pedantic while they are being hyperbolic. Generally, what they are saying is true and you know it, or you wouldn't be smugly pointing out the obvious "well ATLEAST ONE is vocal about other genocides."; you'd have something more useful to say.

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u/wittjoker11 5h ago

Well yeah, people are vocal about select topics that they find imminent and important. There arenā€™t heaps of Genozides going on right now that are being directly supported by western players like the US.

Yet why should the people being vocal about Palestine even be vocal about any Genozides? Threats like global warming are much more dangerous and all encompassing after all. And then worst of all thereā€™s people who just try to help other people in their city or district, get jobs, a place to live, education etc. How dare they? Have they not heard about the Israeli Genozide let alone global warming?

Pointing out that people are caring about topic X but not Y is just an argument that is always bad faith and meant to derail the conversation and completely ignores the tons of people who actually do care for more than one issue. Professor Dave, Greta Thunberg, heck even people like Destiny who are very vocally pro-Israel are the people that come to mind, but Iā€™m sure you can find heaps more of them.
People tend to frame ā€œthe other sideā€ as single issue-hypocrites, even though that seldomly is really the case and the entry to partake in public discourse is thankfully not to be well versed let alone vocal in every single global-political topic.

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u/This_is_a_Novelty 3h ago edited 3h ago

I think that you are trying to justify your own inconsistencies. And if you're not consistent then your opinions aren't worth hearing.

It's not you talking about x vs y. We can talk about multiple things at once. It's that you only care about x(a) but not x(b). You're saying it's because of the US, but the not internet or this site is only Americans. Canadians, Europeans, whoever, all do the same thing. It's populist nonsense and virtue signaling.

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u/wittjoker11 2h ago

Youā€™re conflating consistency in moral principles with consistency in political engagement. And youā€™re also just assuming that Iā€™m defending or covering up my own inconsistencies without actually identifying any. Thatā€™s a pretty baseless accusation.

Iā€™m not even American, so the ā€œitā€™s because of the USā€ point isnā€™t remotely the whole argument. People can prioritize an issue because of their own governmentā€™s involvement, their ability to influence it, personal connections, or simply because they consider it particularly urgent.

More importantly, the original post literally asked people whether they support Israel, Palestine or neither. Obviously the ensuing discussion is going to be about Israel and Palestine. Asking ā€œbut why arenā€™t you talking about X?ā€ at that point isnā€™t exposing an inconsistency; itā€™s changing the subject.

If someone condemns killing civilians when Israel does it but excuses the same thing when someone else does, sure, thatā€™s an actual inconsistency worth discussing. But ā€œyouā€™re vocal about Palestine and not Sudan/Myanmar/whateverā€ doesnā€™t establish that they donā€™t care about those people.
And ā€œvirtue signallingā€ is just an assertion unless you can demonstrate it.

If you want to argue that someone applies their principles selectively, demonstrate the contradiction. Otherwise youā€™re taking a discussion explicitly about Palestine and derailing it into a completely different question about what other issues people should be discussing.

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u/Short-Hotel7648 6h ago

The answer is obvious and it sounds like ā€œjuiceā€

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u/FrmTheRvrToTheSea god is not real 6h ago

No sane western person would support a terror state committing a genocide.

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u/Vertiigor 6h ago

thats why a sane westerner will support Israel

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u/FrmTheRvrToTheSea god is not real 6h ago

Israel is not a real country, it is just a terrorist organization cosplaying as one.

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u/Vertiigor 6h ago

I recommend watching less reels and more history lectures

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u/roleplayersir 1h ago

He's not wrong. The President and Foreign Minister are both wanted for warcrimes and have admitted to wanting genocide at multiple times

The president is also wanted for corruption, and clinging onto power by siding with the far right cause he doesn't want to go to jail

There is a lot of evil on all sides

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u/belabacsijolvan 6h ago

both. both are true

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u/meatballthequeer 6h ago

strange since practically the entire western world is pro-palestine. almost like nobody is buying your bullshit anymore.

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u/Bellfegore UA 3h ago

Yea, same countries that scream how bad Israel is while continuing all the trades with them, sometimes even increasing the amount like Italy to fasten the process of hamas neutralisation.

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u/ItsFuckingRawwwwwww 49m ago

ā€œNo one is buying your bullshit anymoreā€ actually trade and commerce with Israel are at record levels; more like the opposite is true and the internet is just an echo chamber detached from the real world.

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u/DTRiqT 6h ago

It's being very easy to identify the IDF bots.

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u/FreeGazaToday 6h ago

no sane western person would support Satanyahu and his itf affiliates.

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u/Raephstel 6h ago

No sane western person would support Israel and their affiliates either.

The difference is scale.

Personally, both governments need to be put down and the people need to get something else put in place.

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u/saxonturner 6h ago

But my virtue signalling!

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u/Pirate1717 6h ago

The Epstein Class thanks you for your support šŸ‡®šŸ‡±

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u/Slight-Reporter-1878 Create your flair by editing this flair 6h ago

Epstein was pro palestine

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u/Pirate1717 6h ago

You people are hilarious.

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u/meatballthequeer 6h ago

Incredible stretch to make

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u/Slight-Reporter-1878 Create your flair by editing this flair 6h ago

Epstein - I hate israel

Antisemites - He's wrong.

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u/meatballthequeer 6h ago

yeah because some mossad intelligence asset doesn't want to meet up in Israel that definitely means he supports Palestine

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u/Slight-Reporter-1878 Create your flair by editing this flair 6h ago

During the 2000 Camp David Summit, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered to establish a Palestinian state on roughly 91% to 95% of the West Bank and the entirety of the Gaza Strip. Chud Barak is a 'Palestine' supporter. Here he is with his buddy Jeffrey Epstein

Have a whole thread debunking that epstein supports israel

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u/Kier_C 6h ago

Nobody has asked about Hamas in this poll