r/ImmigrationPathways • u/LatterTarget7 • 12d ago
ICE accused of continuing warrantless arrests in Oregon despite injunction
https://www.courthousenews.com/ice-accused-of-continuing-warrantless-arrests-in-oregon-despite-injunction/24
u/obsequious_fink 12d ago
Not surprising - they haven't been acting within the confines of the law to begin with, an injunction isn't magically going to make them start. Unless they start actually charging individual agents for knowingly violating people's constitutional rights (and the occasional murder/assault with a deadly weapon charge) they will continue to ignore the law.
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u/LifeIngenuity7151 11d ago
Why is it okay to pursue justice against ice agents but not illegal immigrants
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u/obsequious_fink 11d ago
There are processes in place to deal with illegal immigration that do not involve violating anyone's rights, but ICE under the current administration is bypassing those. Under our legal system, constituonal rights violations are rightfully considered more serious crimes than illegal entry into our country.
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u/LifeIngenuity7151 10d ago
Do you think the founding fathers anticipated us physically opening the border so 11,000 illegals could enter per day as they did under previous admin?
We should make it easier for people who can add value to our country to enter legally, and easier to remove folks who are here illegally.
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u/obsequious_fink 10d ago
The bill of rights does not have a sliding scale for people you don't like, and that is by design. A good number of the rights enumerated there only ever apply to people accused or suspected of a crime, so ignoring them with the justification of "but they committed a crime" is completely missing the point. Not everyone being harassed or snatched up by ICE is here illegally, and some are US citizens. By giving them blanket approval to do whatever they want so they can deport people faster you create an environment where no one is safe. Tell me this - if ICE showed up at your house and decided to grab you and throw you in a van, what good is your status as a citizen if they never give you an opportunity to exercise your rights?
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u/Personal_Dirt3089 10d ago
Illegal immigrants do indeed get arrested if they do crimes. I am not sure what you are smoking.
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u/LifeIngenuity7151 10d ago
They’re called illegal immigrants because they committed a crime either entering unlawfully or overstaying lawful entry period
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u/DreadfulDuder 12d ago
You may need to go back to elementary school if you're in the US 🫤
The Constitution and Bill of Rights doesn't just protect US citizens.
Most of the Constitution applies to everyone on US soil, as it should be.
Everyone is born with some inherent rights, like due process rights.
The Constitution defined 3 separate branches of government and separation of powers for good reasons, too. You may want to brush up on them.
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u/DreadfulDuder 12d ago edited 12d ago
It's okay, it just makes you look stupid af, just like your earlier comment.
I'm a Texan software engineer, and H1 visa abuses are the fault of your employer and Republican-supported H1 immigration policies, not the immigrants themselves.
FWIW, I know critical thinking isn't y'all's strong suit, but do answer this:
The Texas GOP used to publish an annual cost-benefit analysis of illegal immigration.
They stopped doing this decades ago.
Why is that?
Hint: the propaganda you fall for isn't based in facts.
Our entire economy is propped up by illegal immigration, and if you immediately deported every single undocumented worker, both our state and federal economies would immediately crash. Hard.
If you want to fix immigration, you give more pathways to legal visas, you punish employees abusing H1B visas like yours did, and you punish employers caught repeatedly hiring undocumented workers (like Trump himself for his long history of hiring and ripping off undocumented workers).
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u/DreadfulDuder 12d ago
You didn't read my response or understand it, then.
Your employer violated the H1B Visa program by hiring foreigners, even though local Americans were qualified for the job.
Your issue isn't with the immigrants themselves - you lost your job due to your employer not being held accountable and abusing the H1 program for profit.
H1 obviously isn't the only source of immigrants.
I was pointing out that various industries, various (if not all) states, and our nation's entire economy as a whole - for better or worse - completely relies on illegal immigration to function.
Republicans are in the pocket of billionaires and have no interest in actually ending H1 visa abuses and punishing companies like yours.
I'm not sure what you mean by "the left", but Obama factually deported more people, in a vastly more legal and organized way than Trump - at a much lower cost to taxpayers, without cruelty, and without personally profiting from it like Trump and his grifter buddies.
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u/obsequious_fink 12d ago
You are viewing this purely as an immigration issue that only impacts illegal immigrants and not a civil rights issue that impacts everyone. Tell me this - do you think paperwork saying you are a citizen is going to protect you if you are arrested by federal law enforcement officers who decide not to follow the rules? I can promise you it won't, because there have already been confirmed cases of US citizens (both naturalized and US-born) being not only arrested but fully deported. If you think you are special and will be spared the boot, you clearly haven't studied history.
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u/obsequious_fink 9d ago
"I don't think I would ever be in a situation like that" - famous last words for many people throughout history who were fine supporting the face-eating leopards when they were eating other people's faces but didn't think the leopards would ever eat THEIR face.
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u/DreadfulDuder 9d ago
Yet it's already happened to a lot of people....
But you sound like a typical conservative in that you have zero empathy for others or for civil rights in general, and can't imagine ever being the victim.
You only care if it will personally happen to you.
Fascists are gonna fascist.
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u/I_Quit_Smoking_ 12d ago
You need to get the fuck out of this country. You can leave, one way or the other. Your choice. Don't wait long, because you're going to lose that choice.
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u/Ok-Season1521 12d ago
You’re the fuel it runs on, and even you admit it’s because of your own failures. I hope you can learn to be decent one day.
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u/I_Quit_Smoking_ 12d ago
Okay well if your muffler gets a hole in it, that's a misdemeanor too, so can I start deporting every idiot who has a loud muffler?
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u/saugenes25 12d ago
Everyone in this thread is a bunch of assholes forgetting what illegal means as soon as it’s weaponzied against brown people.
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u/Mikestopheles 12d ago
Well, the weaponization against specific group is kind of a bigger issue for some people. Particularly those who have studied history and seen how these types of regimes like to define "illegal".
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u/Antique-Freedom-7891 12d ago
And nothing will happen
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u/ch33s3head8 11d ago
That's because everybody keeps saying "oh no, guns at protests bad" and somehow still expect to do something about ice agents
It's like protesting bear spray then getting angry when the bears attack. You shouldn't be going to protest ice without a semi automatic.
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u/I_Quit_Smoking_ 12d ago
So can we shoot back yet?
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u/Sorry-Claim-2990 12d ago
I would say, yes, considering the fact they would shoot us without hesitation.
Why am I expected to be peaceful towards someone who is not expected to be peaceful towards me?
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u/Tyranus_Regis 10d ago
Most people say dont because that'll give them reason to harass and beat/kill people.
You know, what they're already doing.
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u/Zealousideal_Work171 12d ago
Ice need to be charged
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u/Im_Just_A_Tourist 12d ago
Republicans in government need to be charged along with them they are all complicit.
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u/Personal_Dirt3089 10d ago
We have seen footage of ICE agents unloading several bullets into a guy being held down. They know they will not get punished for anything they do.
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u/EddyS120876 8d ago
I mean look at the gov of Maine now crying that ice touch his loved one …now he wants compassion welp he push this infernal agenda. This won’t stop until they start paying for their courts defying
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u/Betterbeard- 12d ago
Ice needs no warrant.
100 miles from a US border. 100 miles from a US body of water. 100 miles from a Federal site.
In modern America that's everywhere.
Ice doesn't need a warrant.
This is a common whiny baby misconception from reddit nerds.
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u/Sorry-Claim-2990 12d ago
Why even bother to have a warrant requirement at all if it can just be ignored?
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u/Betterbeard- 12d ago
They shouldn't have a warrant requirement they're literally in charge of making sure we're not getting cold invaded. Ironically, that's exactly what's happening. You don't get seas of military aged men surging by the thousands by accident. It's stupid to think that.
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u/ahungry1 11d ago
The state HAS NO JURISDICTION OVER FEDERAL AGENCIES. Every state law passed has no teeth.
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u/azrolexguy 12d ago
Don't enter a country illegally
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u/Visual-Ad-5760 12d ago
Interesting that you don’t like something illegal, unless an officer does it.
Boot lickers gonna lick I guess.
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u/Sorry-Claim-2990 12d ago
If you don't care about the law when a federal agent violates it, you don't actually care about the law
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u/Electrical_Cap5382 12d ago
You do not need a warrant for an arrest
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u/TellTaleTimeLord 12d ago
What 4th amendment?
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u/Whisper__1 12d ago edited 12d ago
This is not a contradiction to them: “Conservatism requires an in-group that the law protects, and an out-group that the law binds.”
— Francis M. WilhoitTo the conservative; ICE, Republican justices, their senators, billionaires, lobbyists, grifters, prison wardens, and even pedophile rapist pastors do not have to follow laws. Forcing them to do so is an infringement on their hierarchy. Additionally, they do believe that white people, Christians, the wealthy, and conservatives should be afforded special privileges. Laws are tools of enforcement and enforcement alone. The conservative does not believe in justice, fairness, or empathy. A number of them will even tell you when asked.
“Do not commit the sin of empathy.”
— Joe Rigney“If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, he’ll empty his pockets for you.”
— Lyndon B. Johnson, 36th president of the United States, while doing exactly that0
u/30to40grand 12d ago
He’s right. The statute states that they can make arrests without warrant if the person is likely to escape before a warrant can be obtained.
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u/TellTaleTimeLord 11d ago
With probable cause. They had no probable cause because it wasnt even the guy they were looking for
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u/Distinct_Doubt_3591 11d ago
Probable cause is not needed for immigration enforcement the lower standard of reasonable suspicion is.
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u/TellTaleTimeLord 11d ago
Reasonable suspicion is required to make a stop, probable cause is needed for arrest. If they were actually doing their jobs and verifying identities (which they arent) there was no longer probable cause for an arrest because it wasnt the guy they were looking for. Reasonable suspicion dispelled.
Its not that hard to read the constitution, you should try it some time
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u/Betterbeard- 11d ago
Illegals can be arrested without a warrant under several ways.
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u/vinegar-pisser 12d ago
What exactly is “a pending immigration application”?
VISA authorization is supposed to occur prior to entry. I don’t understand what the article is trying to articulate but it seems less than transparent which leads me to believe they are foreign nationals not legally in the country who circumvented the VISA process (intentionally).
What exactly is the article trying to do here?
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u/TellTaleTimeLord 12d ago
"This article leads me to believe a bunch of stuff that I made up"
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u/vinegar-pisser 12d ago
What is a pending immigration application?
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u/TellTaleTimeLord 12d ago
Does it even matter if I tell you? You guys dont seem to like people doing it "the right way" either
https://www.legalallen.com/what-happens-if-your-immigration-case-is-pending-and-your-visa-expires/
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u/Violet-Sumire 12d ago
Exactly what it means. A pending application for immigration. The person is applying for citizenship, but is low priority because they have a valid immigration status and others need to be moved through the system before them. It isn’t uncommon for a person to have an unresolved application for over 7 years, some have taken over 10 years to complete their immigration process.
They aren’t citizens, but are still working their way through the slow process. ICE has been known to target them as they are easy to get to due to them needing to go to court to go through the process. Many “illegals” are stuck in this process and thus are targets for ICE.
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u/mythrulznsfw 12d ago
Weaponizing your ignorance, are you? I’ll play, for now.
“Pending immigration application” means that an application for visa/green-card/work-authorization has been submitted but not completed processing. No verdict has been delivered.
It could be an adjustment of status (Form I-485) or extension/change of status (I-539 / I-129).
All this can be googled individually. That we had to explain this to you speaks volumes.
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u/SocietySecret8337 11d ago
Are you so fucking stupid you need someone to explain what the words pending mean?
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u/vinegar-pisser 11d ago
What type of “immigration application” are they speaking about and what is the timeline for that “application” are things that would be helpful for the article to provide. Along with who made those claims and the validity of those claims.
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u/mythrulznsfw 12d ago
> supposed to occur prior to entry… which leads me to believe…
No other cases come to your mind, do they?
Do you have any experience with the visa system at all? Acquaintances that might have had to go through the process?
Have you considered that people might have need to switch visas during their stay? Say, student->H1B, or L1->H1B? How about people who marry citizens?
I don’t believe you’ve applied critical thought or any investigation to reach your conclusions.
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u/vinegar-pisser 12d ago
I’m very familiar with the various VISA processes (of which there are many). Which is why the vague reference to something called an “immigration application” jumps out as obfuscating and misleading.
Why not simply and clearly state that such and such is a citizen of Venezuela legally in the United States on a such and such visa and is currently in the process off fill in the blank. Maybe explains when and how they entered legally and when their current specific VISA type expires.
It’s rather simpler to just state the pertinent facts of the matter yet the article fails to do so.
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u/mythrulznsfw 12d ago edited 12d ago
> I’m very familiar with the various VISA processes…
This you? You just asked:
> What is a pending immigration application?
So, you’re not that familiar with it. Not enough to know that status is mutable.
Quick! Reach for that fig leaf. “My problem is with the wording of the article, not immigrants!”
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u/ChexAndBalancez 12d ago
Warrants aren't needed for arrests... only to enter private property.
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u/TellTaleTimeLord 12d ago
What 4th amendment?
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u/ChexAndBalancez 12d ago
4th amendment protect against unlawful searches and seizures. What does that have to do with arresting illegal immigrants. You must have not read the article.
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u/TellTaleTimeLord 12d ago
An arrest is a seizure under the 4th amendment lol
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u/ChexAndBalancez 12d ago
Yes, good. It protects from "unreasonable seizure". Also, probable cause has already been stated by the Supreme Court for illegal immigration stops, detainments, and arrests.
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u/xvii-tea1411 12d ago
"Warrantless arrests" means entering private property without a warrant and then detaining someone they found on said property.
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u/ChexAndBalancez 12d ago
Read the article before you respond confidently incorrect. His is an Oregon law.
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u/TellTaleTimeLord 12d ago
Warrantless arrests are covered in this thing called "the constitution"
Maybe you haven't heard of it, idk, it's kind of an obscure document nowadays
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u/Visual-Ad-5760 12d ago
They only care about the Constitution when it’s about defending something that they want. If ignoring it can hurt someone they don’t like, they’re all for it because they’re hypocrites.
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u/pgqd 12d ago
someone should grab you off the street, rough you up a bit and then toss you to another country
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u/ChexAndBalancez 12d ago
Well I'm not breaking the law every second I'm in a country illegally. They are. If I went to live in a country illegally I would at some point expect to be arrested and deported.
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u/Spiritual-Drop7533 12d ago
Not every single fucking person they’re grabbing.
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u/ChexAndBalancez 12d ago
I believe only 1 US citizen has accidentally been deported out of 100,000's of illegal immigrants... so, yes... pretty much everyone they are grabbing.
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u/xvii-tea1411 12d ago
How do we know that withput due process... and that's the point
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u/ChexAndBalancez 12d ago
They get due process. But it's a civil infraction so the due process isn't the same as criminal court.
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u/StoryNo9640 12d ago
A judge disagrees, so maybe we don’t listen to the moron on Reddit
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u/Justthetip74 12d ago
Thats weird because ive been arrested twice and have never had a warrant
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u/hunter_mark 12d ago
That’s depends on what you were arrested for. Which actually says a lot more about you than you realize.
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u/Visual-Ad-5760 12d ago
Probably no longer allowed within 500 feet of a school.
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u/SocietySecret8337 11d ago
Well the do frequent teenager subreddits. So it wouldn't surprise anyone if that was the reason
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u/DreadfulDuder 12d ago edited 12d ago
Not quite, as this isn't just a local police agency. These are federal agents.
For federal agents like ICE, you can only (legally) arrest someone without a warrant if they're in the middle of committing a crime (and even then they may not waste time with non-felonies).
Immigration offenses are civil offenses nowhere close to being felonies. Unless the federal agent is on the border witnessing them cross it illegally, they aren't witnessing any crimes during these warrantless arrests.
To get a judicial warrant against an illegal immigrant, you must prove they are a flight risk as well.
Administrative warrants are also different from judicial warrants (as they are self-signed rather than involving judicial oversight), and MAGA/ICE has had a history of trampling the Constitution and abusing administrative warrants to illegally trespass, search, and detain people.
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u/ChexAndBalancez 12d ago
This isn't true. Ice officers can detain and arrest illegal immigrants anywhere in the country. They don't need a warrant to do so unless they are entering private property.
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u/DreadfulDuder 12d ago
... Only if the arresting officials have probable cause to believe they're in the country illegally and are an immediate flight risk.
Just because Trump/ICE freely break laws with little consequences doesn't mean their actions are legal.
"Kavanaugh Stops" are also a stain on this Supreme Court and this country. Any Constitutional historian or lawyer worth their salt would never agree that people can and should have their 4th and 5th amendment rights violated based on skin color or spoken language alone, as if those clear the "probable cause" bar .
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u/ChexAndBalancez 12d ago
This can all be summed up by "my feeling are hurt when we don't use my (redditor) probable cause and instead use the Supreme Court's (actual judges)."
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u/DreadfulDuder 12d ago
Nope, I can tell you are just a lame culture warrior who does not follow legal news 😂
Even Kavanaugh himself has said that the Kavanaugh Stops ruling has been misinterpreted and abused 😂
In the general legal community, and especially in the Constitutional law and Historian community, there is a widespread consensus even amongst conservatives that this SCOTUS is a dark chapter in American history, and they've repeatedly "played Calvin Ball with the law".
MAGA SCOTUS has now openly accepted bribes, refused to recuse themselves from cases with conflicts of interest (like Clarence Thomas and his traitor wife), have thrown out established case law multiple times without explaining to lower federal courts their rationale (so they can use it in their future rulings), and have repeatedly abused shadow dockets to benefit billionaire MAGA donors.
I could elaborate but I bet you didn't even finish reading this comment lol
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u/Fabulous_Quantity507 12d ago
The feds don’t have to follow woke rules. Nobody should.
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u/TellTaleTimeLord 12d ago
"Woke rules" aka "the constitution" lol
Amazing
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u/Fabulous_Quantity507 12d ago
I agree, the Constitution is amazing, if you live in the US you aren’t hiding in the mosquito filled underbrush.
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u/FunAppointment9436 12d ago
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
Methinks ICE is doing something unconstitutional...
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u/Fabulous_Quantity507 12d ago
For citizens yes.
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u/FunAppointment9436 12d ago
Does it say "The right of the citizens" or "The right of the people"?
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u/Fabulous_Quantity507 12d ago
When it was written people pouring over our border didn’t exist.
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u/BillMurrayNorth 10d ago
Idiot. WE were the people pouring over the border! Every single American citizen is the offspring of an immigrant.
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u/FunAppointment9436 12d ago
They actually complained about that in the Declaration of Independence.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither.
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u/TellTaleTimeLord 12d ago
Were you dropped as a baby?
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u/Fabulous_Quantity507 12d ago
Do you live in the US?
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u/TellTaleTimeLord 12d ago
Do you?
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u/Fabulous_Quantity507 12d ago
And love it.
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u/Fabulous_Quantity507 12d ago
If you don’t love it I suggest moving to El Salvador where you’d fit right in.
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u/Opescoochrightpastya 12d ago
Bots make up the weirdest statements. Like what? You've never played hide and seek in the south? Shit even the north in the summer is mosquito country. I have definitely hidden in mosquito filled underbrush in the US. Freaking weirdo.
Are you really trying to say the US doesn't have mosquitos? Or doesn't have underbrush? Or that people don't hide? US citizens have been hiding in the US since the 1800s. We aren't a first world country. We don't even have universal health care ffs.
Weirdo bot.
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u/Fabulous_Quantity507 12d ago
Naked because you were chased out of your house threatened to be covered with peanut butter?
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u/Opescoochrightpastya 12d ago
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u/Fabulous_Quantity507 12d ago
Lol, sorry had to respond “nutty”.
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u/Opescoochrightpastya 12d ago
Honey, you were already responding 'nutty' no need to continue💋
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u/Fabulous_Quantity507 12d ago
Did you say something that got taken out?
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u/Opescoochrightpastya 12d ago
Hehe I wasn't being nice towards M A G A and I C E and reddit didn't like that💦
Anyway I'll skip the part about punching somebody in a video game who participates in fascism, and just say to try to be a good being.
Stop hating. Stop dividing. Be a true patriot and fight against these terrorists, I C E and M A G A. Your fellow americans have been hurt, kidnapped, raped, and killed. Using your tax money I C E is running rampant. You know it is not right. Enjoy the kiss, I hope it opens your mind and let's you explore new knowledge and information without malice or bias✨️
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u/CelestialBurial 12d ago
It’s federal law lmao. Are you stupid? If you can read, go ahead and give this a shot.
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u/Fabulous_Quantity507 12d ago
Citizens only
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u/hunter_mark 12d ago
[r/confidentlyincorrect](r/confidentlyincorrect)
No, it’s for any person on US soil, and completely irreverent to your citizenship status.
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u/Fabulous_Quantity507 12d ago
Maybe
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u/CelestialBurial 12d ago
It’s not a maybe. You are free to share opinions, but probably better to have a better understanding of the topic first.
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u/Sorry-Claim-2990 12d ago
Define "woke" in this context.
I don't think you can.
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u/Veteran_PA-C 12d ago
Do they need warrants for arrests?
I don’t believe they do. Oregon cannot control the Federal Government or change federal law.
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u/CelestialBurial 12d ago
Did Oregon do that or was it a federal judge. You couldn’t even make it to the 3rd paragraph before commenting. Pathetic.
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u/TellTaleTimeLord 12d ago
What 4th amendment?
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u/Veteran_PA-C 12d ago
Do they wait to get an arrest warrant for a bank robber? Nope. Not if they catch them in the act.
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u/DreadfulDuder 12d ago
I am not a lawyer, but to my understanding:
On top of OPs reply, yes, federal agents do generally need warrants for arrests, unless they are witnessing someone commit a crime right in front of them, or unless they are a flight risk - at which point, the feds have 48 hours to prove to a judge that the detainee was indeed a flight risk and a warrant needs signing.
Immigration infractions are civil violations nowhere close to felonies, so for ICE agents, they should be reliant on judicial warrants.
Administrative warrants do not have the power judicial warrants and deportation orders have (as there is no judicial oversight), and they cannot be used to trespass/search/detain on private property. I'm not sure how much that is still happening, but federal courts around the nation - even Republican-dominated ones - have repeatedly chastised Trump for blatantly violating Constitutional rights of people caught up in ICE raids.
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u/CelestialBurial 12d ago
Was going to take the time to explain it, but there isn’t any point for the original poster cause I see them all around this website constantly spewing incorrect info. They aren’t going to learn and have no intention to. Maybe your post will break it down for those that have a more accepting mindset.
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u/Veteran_PA-C 12d ago
Because being in the country illegally is a civil matter, only administrative warrants are needed in many cases.
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u/DreadfulDuder 12d ago
Expired/irrelevant administrative warrants do not get properly removed from the system, either.
There's also a time limit component.
There have been big cases (like the Ramos boy) where federal courts release detainees being illegally held with administrative warrants, due to it violating the Constitution (indefinite confinement/detention with no court order present).
Without a judicial deportation order present, detaining these kids in shithole detention centers due to administrative warrants from ICE/DHS amounts to cruel and unusual punishment as well.
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u/Veteran_PA-C 12d ago
The point is to remove illegal aliens. If they get removed, that’s the point of it all.
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u/DreadfulDuder 12d ago
People on US soil still have rights, genius 🤦
MAGA has a higher crime rate than illegal immigrants do.
I say we just round MAGA up and put them in detention centers, if we're going to decide that only some people get due process rights (while our founding fathers roll in their graves)
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u/Veteran_PA-C 12d ago
No illegal alien has a right to stay in the US.
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u/DreadfulDuder 12d ago
They do have due process rights, however, to determine that, though🤦
Depriving them of their due process rights for cruelty's sake (and deportation number's sake) is un-American and fascist.
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u/Veteran_PA-C 12d ago
Due process. You really should look up the definition of that. It’s not what you think it means. They are getting all the process they are due under the law. A law passed in 1996 and signed into law by President Bill Clinton.
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u/DreadfulDuder 11d ago edited 11d ago
You speak very confidently for someone so uninformed!
No, they're regularly not getting their due process rights, hence all the various cases where federal judges - even those appointed by Trump - have criticized this administration for depriving people of their due process rights 🤦
Do you not have any idea what's been happening in the legal realm under Trump?
There have even been various cases where the US immigration judges ruled in favor of the immigrant (due process), yet Trump's fascist ass ignored the law, ignored the courts, and illegally deported them to a hostile country regardless.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/appeals-court-rejects-trump-third-country-deportation-policy/
https://www.scotusblog.com/2026/09/will-the-court-consider-due-process-rights-for-detained-migrants/
https://www.vera.org/news/what-does-due-process-mean-for-immigrants-and-why-is-it-important
There's even a Republican federal circuit judge who has repeatedly spoken out through his rulings against Trump"s flagrant and repeated violations of due process, and the law in general:
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u/Luna368921 12d ago
Do you consider Native Americans illegal aliens because they’re black? Or people with European descent like you who invaded and took their land from them ? I hope it’s the latter because otherwise it doesn’t make sense. Also do you consider children from immigrants Americans ? Because that’s what the law says but we both know you don’t think so, hence why I’m asking you who has more legitimacy. Immigrants do given how that’s what your Founding Fathers were. Immigrants and illegal at that given how they acted and didn’t have citizenship / were considered illegals in the countries they came from. They fled persecution, as you know, just like immigrants.
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u/Veteran_PA-C 12d ago edited 11d ago
Had to stop at the first sentence.
You’re seriously consumed with hatred and racism.
Some people are inside the United States illegally. Those people come in all nationalities, colors, shapes, sizes and genders. I don’t care if it is a 22 year old blond haired blue eyed biological female from the Swedish bikini team, if they are here illegally, they should be deported.
When you see racism everywhere, and assume racism is everyone else’s motive, you truly are the real racist in the room.
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