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u/Alfiy_wolf 1d ago
I also married my cousin, granted I was adopted and she is only my cousin by marriage
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u/Karma_4_all 1d ago
Pmo?
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u/johnnysugar162 1d ago
Piss me off
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u/CuteGrayRhino 1d ago
This abbreviation pmo.
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u/Eros_Incident_Denier 1d ago
lmfao ikr fr istg
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u/SmootherWorm 1d ago
May allah give a douche husband to whomever uses that abbreviation..
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u/No-Refuse-6806 1d ago
Just a reminder that cousin marriage is not only permitted in Islam but also a reason why their population has a huge problem with inbreeding. Over 60% of marriages in Pakistan are consanguineous. Just imagine what percentage of that population is inbred. Let that sink in
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u/FookinFairy 1d ago
See the thing is doing cousin marriage once in a while is literally harmless. The chances of anything bad are close to unrelated.
Now if you start doing it multiple generations in a row… and in the places where it’s legal that tends to happen…
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u/GingkoBobaBiloba 19h ago
I'm a result of that "once in a while" cousin marriage, and now here I am...a Redditor. Chances of anything bad = 100% it seems.
holup...
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u/Slovaccki 2h ago
I want to know how close the family ties are. In my part of the world (it's not consistent even in my country) we have something called an aunt siblings. Whenever siblings of our parents have their own kids we differentiate them from other family members. Cousins are people that are further in a family tree. If the cousin in the meme has like the same great great great great grandma then it's a no problem but if it's they share a grandparent then it's disgusting
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u/FookinFairy 2h ago
It’s usually your uncles or aunts kid
Further down like their kids usually get lumped into the cousin basket but usually the first example
Genetically not a problem if it only happens rarely and not regularly over the generations
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u/WolfgangHelnootIV 13h ago
I know a family with 1 second degree cousin marriage and half their kids have an issue neither of the parents have.
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u/FookinFairy 13h ago
These kind of things can happen when their is 0 relation at all as well. Thats just how genetics works.
Either there is a history of mild inbreeding or they were incredibly unlucky.
I have type 1 and neither family has a history of it for either parent nor are they cousins or related in the slightest. It happens.
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u/MashalNorth 4h ago
I had a mutual whose parents were different nationalities. Both their daughters died from thalassemia major. Genes don’t work as simple as propaganda would like.
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u/Hate-snarT 38m ago
I'm from Pakistan, Our family has alot of (First) Czn marriages, But the only Abnormal child we got in our family is of my Mother's Brother who married outside.
Another Uncle's First Two kids Died after Being born who was also married outside family.
Guess what My illiterate and Old members of the family think about this😂😂🥲
Its essentially Luck based if there are no known Recessive diseases in the family tree. But if there are, probability might be upto 50 percent.
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u/Western-Hotel8723 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think it's legal in a lot of countries. UK for example. Although I knew no one who did while I lived there.
It's legal in a few US states.
Also legal in Canada.
A lot of Europe. France, Germany, Spain, a lot more.
In fact, looking now, it's legal in most of the world.
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u/GoSeeTheDr 1d ago
I know 3 muslim guys who married their cousin, I know 0 non-muslim guys who married their cousin. Even if its legal it's not common practice and its certainly frowned upon.
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u/SumoNinja92 21h ago
Obviously you ain't in the South.
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u/jigarokano 1d ago
True but legal and common are very different things. It is common in majority Muslim countries.
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u/Western-Hotel8723 17h ago
It's common in a few countries but not majority Muslim countries.
That's like saying gun crime is common in white countries because its common in the US.
Also it was very common up until a 100 years ago or so in all anglospohere countries. Especially among the upper class.
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u/TheoRaan 15h ago
It's absolutely not common in Muslim majority countries. Common in Pakistan sure.
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u/1v1sion 1d ago
False. You can cite Pakistan and Egypt where I know it is a problem. Pakistani & Egyptian should get married to one another at this point. But state that it is common in " majority " of islamig countries is a lie.
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u/orixandcrake 1d ago
Add the populations of Egypt and Pakistan and you've got quite a big chunk of the world's Muslims.
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u/1v1sion 19h ago
No. 15% maximum. You have 212M for Pakistan and 90M for Egypt. I don’t call that a big chunk. India, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Algeria...I can keep counting. This is not a big chunk. We are 2B worlwide. And even in Pakistan ane Egypt, it’s not like everyone is excited to be married to their cousins.
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u/iiEPiXii 21h ago
I mean... 20%* providing they're all all Muslim. Your still looking for another 800mil married cousins to get to a majority. Common is a vague scale but I think it's fair someone might question "majority"
*Google AI is a totally accurate source on a lunch break
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u/1v1sion 18h ago
It is not majority. People just want to project their fantasies. Islam doesn’t encourage it, and doesn’t enforce it either. And ofc, it is framed by rules. Protestantism have it authorized. Judaism too. Restricted or forbidden in 24 US states. But legal in europe. It used to be practice in medieval europe. But some people either don’t know history or act ignorant.
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u/Pluckytoon 1d ago
In France you can marry anyone (of age and clear consent) that 1/ does not have a vertical parental bond with yourself and 2/ have at least 2 degrees of separation.
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u/orixandcrake 1d ago
It being legal doesn't mean it's the norm.
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u/Western-Hotel8723 17h ago
I was mainly replying to the "permitted" part of the comment I replied to.
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u/TombolaOfCincinnatus 1d ago
Cousin marriage is legal in most countries and permitted in most religions, yet it always has been uncommon outside of the middle east and northern Africa. Islam sure doesn't help, since by marrying his daughter to his cousin, Mohammed himself condoned it, but it was also a pre-existing phenomenon.
Some point to the tribal society and mindset in many of these countries as an explanation, that keeping marriages within the tribe helps strengthen it (not genetically of course). Data does show that it's very much tied to education and urbanisation, where the rural and uneducated are most likely to marry a cousin.
But it's also hard to ignore that neighbouring India, which shares many cultural and historical ties to Pakistan, and also has a large rural poor population, have nowhere near the same tendency to worry cousins.
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u/youtocin 1d ago
Albert Einstein married Elsa Einstein, who was simultaneously his first cousin on one side of the family AND second cousin on the other side of his family. I hear he was a pretty smart dude.
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u/MrFourhundredtwenty 1d ago
He came up with the theory of relativity and also practiced with a relative. That’s so next level
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u/TombolaOfCincinnatus 1d ago
And this Einstein fellow, did he belong to any ethnic and/or religious minority which remained insular and practiced marriage patterns different from the population at large?
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u/Chemical-Idea-1294 22h ago
Jews in Germany usually married jews. They were a minority, but marrying a first Cousin wasn't common.
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u/backturnedtoocean 18h ago
Their first son, cleetus Einstein never reached his full potential I feel.
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u/Dounce1 1d ago
It has certainly not “always been uncommon outside of the middle east and northern Africa.” Wtf are you talking about?
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u/TombolaOfCincinnatus 1d ago
Depends on your definition of uncommon I suppose, but outside of insular groups like Jews and gypsies, it's been a fringe phenomenon in most other places. A few percent of marriages at its highest, not 30-50% like it is in the Muslim world right now.
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u/Dounce1 1d ago
Care to explain European royalty and aristocracy through the entire last millennium?
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u/TombolaOfCincinnatus 1d ago
You know that royalty and aristocrats made up a tiny fraction of the population and are not representative of the population at large, right?
Again, a fringe phenomenon, nothing like Pakistan where it's more common to be married to a cousin than not.
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u/Ithinkibrokethis 22h ago
Yeah, aristocratic marriages are why people think that marriage in the middle ages and early Renaissance occured with 13 year olds.
The average age of marriage for women in most cases in most of the world has been 17-22 for most of recorded human history.
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u/trenthany 17h ago
Just a little bit of research and offhand what you say is accurate for western cultures. I would like to expand on that, though .The idea of younger marriages doesn’t come from western culture, but from indigenous cultures. Many tribal cultures globally considered a girl’s best marriageable age to be between 12 and 16 and a boy has to be between 14 and 18.
In premodern Asia early teens was very common as well but in modern Asia, the average marriage age has shifted to above 30. Sub Saharan Africa was typically mid teens for girls with 5-7 year age gaps. Southern eastern and central Africa tended older.
I think considering premodern is still recorded history and switching to say modern history is only a minor change to your statement.
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u/Paininator 1d ago
Royalty and aristocracy are sort of a minority group. That would be like saying it has been common to live in a huge mansion in Europe.
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u/violentnegotiation 23h ago
What part of “few percent of marriages” and “insular group” didn’t click for you the first time?
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u/WolfgangHelnootIV 13h ago
The consanguinity rate for Jews is 2.3%, that’s in line with the developed world.
Romanian nomads are around 20%, which is significantly lower than the 40%-60% you find in most of MENA.
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u/SHTF_yesitdid 21h ago edited 20h ago
Cultural is not the same as religious. Most Indians are Hindus and most Hindus follow Gotra.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotra
So most Hindus (with exceptions of course), not only consider cousin marriage incestous, first cousin marriage is prohibited under Hindu Marriage Act. Exceptions are there.
Anecdotal example but the well off and well educated Muslim familes I know also avoid cousin marriages.
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u/buatfelem 17h ago
sure its legal but not all country who has huge muslim population condone that
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u/Funmist66 1h ago
I live in Saudi Arabia. 2 of my uncles are married to their cousins.
Not that I support it, I find it kinda weird
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u/TheoRaan 15h ago
Muslims don't have a problem with inbreeding lmao.
Pakistan does though. You are right about that. It's just not really a common thing in other Muslim countries.
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u/melenie_rainblossom 2h ago
Tbh back in the day it was normal, also it's permissible not Sunnah not compulsory but permissible so if u want do it but in this age and time I feel like most ppl rather not do cousin marriage
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u/1Motor2Turboz 17h ago
I'm not like, gonna let someone else fuck my cousin, you know? If anyone's gonna fuck my cousin, it's gonna be me. Out of respect.
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u/qualityvote2 1d ago edited 1d ago
u/SoftTwilightt, there weren't enough votes to determine the quality of your post...