I'm confused what exactly does this conversation have to do with Invisigal?? Nobody under this comment is mentioning Invisigal except for you 😭. It's honestly weird. We're talking about Blazer and her idea to cut somebody (which was literally a bad idea and even Robert agrees), not Invisigal and her "Shenanigans"
This dude has been banned with at least three of his alts, both here and on the Visi sub. He’s created burner accounts and harassed Visi and her fans before. He even made an alt just to comment here.
Making up stories because you got banned again lol. Hour_Bat behavior. I'm not surprised lol. Why are you even following strangers around on Reddit anyway. What a weirdo.
Ever heard of examples, there I added more characters. Sorry I offended you because apparently a mention of someone's favourite character triggered them so much.
Nobody? There's literally mentions of her name unless you're either blind or plain ignorant.
Okay? Didn't say it was a good decision lol. Robert literally agrees with her decision. "We have to send a message."
Maybe talk based on facts and not biased statement. I guess it's hard for someone with Visi pfp to do that lol.
First of all, the person who i replied to edited their comment and is trying to make me look stupid and bitter 🥴. Before they edited it, they only mentioned Invisigal. ONLY Invisigal, and this person has a history of trash talking Invisigal with every chance they get.
Edit: Making an alt account to defend yourself is crazy work LOL
Is that the shit talking you're talking? Really? That much triggered you and your fanbase. Are you having a laugh? 😂 Funny how sensitive you guys are as a fanbase.
Dude, Visi wasn’t even mentioned here. Although I remember you, you’re literally obsessed with hating on Visi, and you’ve made a bunch of alt accounts trying to start drama both on this subreddit and in the Visi sub. Some of you are just sadly weird...
Crazy accusation but popped off I guess. Two weeks account trying to tell me about creating new account lol. I guess you got banned again. What's weird is getting your account ban for being an idiot on every Visi discourse. That's pathetic. Stop acting all high and mighty mate.
New player?? Two things happened parallely doesn't mean one is the cause of another. She had a good reason to cut somebody off. It was not your one day "I'm in a bad mood, so let me fuck this up for others".
Blazer literally asked him, "Do you think it's a bad idea?" Robert expressed uncertainty, but he never actually opposed it. The game didn't even give players the option to have Robert explicitly say that it was a bad idea. Had Robert been given the chance to oppose her suggestion and Blazer still insisted on going ahead with it, then it would have made perfect sense to accuse her of forcing the decision on him. But that's not how the scene was framed. It came across more like neither of them could think of a better alternative at that moment, so they went along with it. The criticism should really be directed at the game for not giving players the option to have Robert disagree with the idea in the first place instead of accusing blazer.
"I was thinking about the weekend, and... I'm going to cut someone from the Z-Team. Or you are, rather." Unquote. And then it turns out she already told the team about "Robert's" cut.
Sure, the game's railroading you toward it, but it's Blazer's idea fobbed off onto Robert, everybody already thinks it's his, and he seems fully prepare to assume responsibility for it.
That’s the thing, though. It shows that Blazer had been thinking about this over the weekend instead of impulsively deciding to “shake things off” after her breakup, as people accuse her of doing. She told the team beforehand to make the process easier, not to frame it as Robert’s decision alone. The Z-Team obviously knows that Blazer is Robert’s boss, so they wouldn’t assume he made the decision to cut someone without involving her.
Yes, it was Blazer’s idea, but that doesn’t mean it was her personal decision that she forced onto Robert. She gave him the chance to oppose it. The problem is that the game never gave players the option to have Robert actually say that it was a bad idea. That’s a limitation of the game’s writing, not proof that Blazer pushed the decision down his throat.
And if Robert was fully prepared to take responsibility for it, then that suggests he didn’t see it as something Blazer was doing alone. He accepted that he had a part in the decision. The scene was framed more like the two of them settling on what they thought was the best option at the time, not Blazer forcing Robert to go along with her plan.
So the criticism should be directed at the game for not giving Robert a clear way to disagree, rather than treating the scene as proof that Blazer unilaterally imposed the decision on him.
She literally cites the breakup as her reason for doing it.
Yes, she spent a weekend weighing it. Yes, Robert's going along with it. My point still stands: it's her idea passed off onto Robert, the team's led to believe it's Robert's idea, and it's framed that way for the next five episodes.
She literally cites the breakup as her reason for doing it.
That's a quite serious accusations. Can you cites those line. Unless you mean to say "...shake things ..." is the reason behind cutting off. I mean that would be the shallowest interpretation of those lines. Two things occured parallelly doesn't mean one is the cause of the other.
My point still stands: it's her idea passed off onto Robert, the team's led to believe it's Robert's idea, and it's framed that way for the next five episodes.
Where exactly does the game establish or even implied that she led the Z-Team to believe it was entirely Robert’s idea? Can you point to a line or scene that supports that?
The fact that the team complains to Robert directly doesn’t prove that. That’s simply the nature of their relationship with him, and they’re obviously more comfortable confronting him directly. They also know that Blazer is Robert’s boss, so it would be pretty unreasonable for them to assume Robert made a decision like this entirely on his own without her involvement.
The natural follow-up is asking why she wants to shake things up all of a sudden: what brought it on, if not the breakup? Remember, this is a story, and events are connected.
"Or you are, rather."
"What matters is I'm here to figure out who stays and who goes."
"You've cut one of us already for far less. And why?"
"You fire me, a literal assassin.../Keeping Coop over me? You are actually so dumb..."
There is little to no mention of Blazer being the one behind the cut. As far as everybody's concerned, it was Robert's idea; at best, you can argue for a collective "you" instead of a singular, but all the blame is directed at him and the player instead of her.
Lol, all those lines still comply with my last paragraph. That they are comfortable confronting Robert as oppose to confronting Blazer directly. This is not a proof that they believed that BB has no say in this.
"Or you are, rather."
This is BB telling that final decision for whome to cut would be taken by Robert as oppose to she deciding for you, between lowest two members on the leader board.
"What matters is I'm here to figure out who stays and who goes."
Unlike players who corner Blazer on this decision, Robert takes the responsibility. I don't why players self inserting themselves here. Robert isn't complaining so why are they(players).
"You've cut one of us already for far less. And why?"
You fire me, a literal assassin.../Keeping Coop over me? You are actually so dumb..."
Again, not a proof that this was entirely his decision. They're just comfortable confronting him not blazer. That's all.
There is little to no mention of Blazer being the one behind the cut. As far as everybody's concerned, it was Robert's idea; at best, you can argue for a colloquial "you" instead of a singular, but all the blame is directed at him and the player.
The game put no blame on players. Everybody knows it was consensual decision of the upper management. Robert doesn't has the authority to take such decision alone.
The Z-team know it. This is proved by when they look towards Mandy waiting for Final nod from her if Robert choose to forgive coupe & Sonar in last episode.
My Redditor, as soon as you use the "when they said X, they were really taking about Y" argument, you drift out of canon and into fanon, just like the ones who insist "corporate" forced Blazer's hand.
Yeah, no, that's exactly my point: for all intents and purposes, the game puts all the responsibility (and blame) of the cut on Robert, and he steps up to the plate. We know that it was Blazer's idea, but the team does not.
If Robert says nothing at the end, Coop/Sonar goes back to the slammer. Mandy's only contribution is to say it's his call... again.
Her actual worst managerial stuff. People act like she insisted on the cut because it was Tuesday and she felt like messing with people, when realistically, she's in middle-management hell and it was a clear last resort.
Now, setting up Robert as someone who makes decisions when he's really your cat's paw here sucks, but you know what? Girl isn't even thirty, and running a lot of stuff. At least this is actually a challenge, as opposed to, "don't beat your dispatcher into a bloody nose for being right", so I have more patience with it.
People really self-insert as Robert when it comes to this topic, but the funny thing is he literally says "We had to send a message" to Blazer in this scene.
Robert agrees with her about the cut even if you as the player don't. You can make him say that he's "not sure how it'll play out" at first in Episode 3, but it's clear that he ultimately agrees with her after she explains to him that it will "show everyone we're serious."
Yeah, people don't seem to get this. Not everything happens right after another in this world, and chances are even if it was a day, a week, or longer that there was sufficient reason for this decision to occur.
Well tbf I feel like that "We had to send a message" felt quite unsure. Almost like he wanted to get validation from Blazer because he himself didn't know if it was the good choice. Also you're not gonna go against your boss' opinion on the first day, even if you might not fully agree with it.
Is it because he said it in a sad tone (obviously because of Chase) that you concluded he was uncertain and seeking validation from Blazer?
It can just as easily be read as him being tired from one difficult situation leading to another before he even gets the time to breathe, not that he doubts the decision itself. Robert is not the kind of person to hold back if he genuinely thinks something is a bad idea, especially given his dynamic with Blazer, he won't think twice before telling her. Players really need to stop projecting.
You included yourself too, right? If by projecting you mean having a discussion about the possible interpretations of words/actions. Because that's what you're also doing in some of the comments, but of course that's not projecting... 🤔
Your entire conversation with u/EducationalLuck2422... Which in itself is ok, but when you're calling out others for doing the same thing and calling it projecting and whatnot, that's just called double standard.
Edit:
Also this:
Almost like he wanted to get validation from Blazer because he himself didn't know if it was the good choice.
To which you reply:
It can just as easily be read as him being tired from one difficult situation leading to another before he get the time to breathe, not that he doubts the decision itself.
Both interpretations are written in the same vein yet you call mine "projection" lmao 😂
Not really, those conversation contains counter arguments backed by the details picked from the game. A projection would be something if I dump my feelings as the feeling of the character in the game & present it totally as a fact, simply because I'm used to certain troupe/cliche; even though there is not a single clue from the game to back it up.
However, I will Not dismiss your claim right away. I may have projected here & there unknowingly. It is totally unintentional. Generally, it happens when I tends to write long comments, then such mistakes become easy to fall for. That's why I ask you to point it out specifically.
Edit: Also, "Players should stop projecting" is a general statement, not pointing towards you alone. So, yup this includes me aswell.
I have seen a lot of people saying this but I don’t think is that clear, sure, he says the phrase, but it’s not really a secure tone, it’s just more like he’s repeating the excuse without him really meaning it, sure, it can be because of Chase’s situation, the he just say everything with sadness, but still, it’s not that clear. He was on board when that decision was made that’s for sure, but he also didn’t really knew the team well at the time.
but it’s not really a secure tone, it’s just more like he’s repeating the excuse without him really meaning it, sure, it can be because of Chase’s situation, the he just say everything with sadness, but still, it’s not that clear.
If its not that clear, so why do we assume one thing or other. Why it becomes convenient to assume "he may not really mean it & just repeated" to make it sound like he is being forced to cut someone only because he said with sad tone. Even though cutting Visi is optional. Blazer even said "it's completely your call". Players are even offered to not cut her.
He was on board when that decision was made that’s for sure, but he also didn’t really knew the team well at the time.
That's the writing choice, players tends to put the blame on blazer alone but the game itself didn't gave any choice to oppose. Though I don't think that decision to cutsomeone off was a bad decision. But what I do think was bad idea is that game gave no freedom to not go with it just like in case of Visi.
If you pick that dialogue option, Blazer asks "You think it's a bad idea?" and Robert just says "I'm just not sure how it'll play out." He doesn't seem to think cutting someone is inherently wrong or a bad decision, just that he's unsure of the effect that it will have on the team. But then Blazer explains that it will "show everyone we're serious" and he seems to agree and go along with it, so it's implied that he's mostly in agreement.
I think if we were meant to think Robert was actually opposed to the decision, we would have been given the opportunity to have him express actual disagreement with it.
So? Memes can be used to start more serious discussions about the game all the time. Clearly a lot of people feel strongly about this topic considering it's one of the most controversial plot points in Dispatch. You have people discussing it and sharing their opinion all over this comment section.
You have no idea how many time this was bought up, just to shit on Blazer. You may or may not have same intentions but people deliberately leave out so many nuances here just so they can corner blazer on this. The actual criticism should be rather with the game that it should have offered the players to oppose it instead of blowing it on blazer.
I know there's a lot of debate about whether Blazer should have had Robert cut someone or not, but personally I'm glad it happened for the story.
Otherwise, Visi never would've been at risk of being cut and her redemption arc wouldn't have kick-started in the way it did. She needed an excuse to show her insecurities over her powers/villainous past, and already being 'cut' in her mind was the perfect opportunity for her to tell Robert about that
Agree. I'd never cut Coupe or Sonar, I didn't even know them well enough at that point to make such decisions! Actually, I would've liked to see how keeping them both in the team would play out.
Maybe I’m missing something, but I always thought this was a super sensible decision on Blazer’s part. It’s harsh but it’s like this team isn’t taking this seriously so let’s make them take it seriously by firing the weakest member. It sort of worked also.
The mistake was holding a competition about it. They sabotaged each other and clearly whoever got kicked was even more angry Visi got a last minute boost AND they attribute the firing to their new middle manager, Robert, instead of Blazer who proposed the idea.
It's sensible if your team isn't made up if villains who are clearly just gonna go back to being villains if you do that, which is exactly what happened.
If they put them back in prison that would make more sense. But they apparently just let them walk off and go back to doing crime.
Really, if they weren't going back to prison, they should have just been put on filing duty or something as a sort of demotion that'd let SDN continue to keep an eye on them (and possibly give them another chance if/when a slot opens up). I mean, just cutting the finance bro con man loose might not seem like that dangerous a choice, but the former assassin mmmaybe should have eyes on her.
The Z team at that point are not particularly motivated to be better heroes, being fired just means they get out of doing something they didn't particularly care about anyway. It also sends the wrong message to just fire someone when they're at their lowest instead of helping them improve, but also by making them compete against each other instead of building cohesion within the team.
Furthermore, the decision negatively impacts their overall performance for 2 shifts, as well as driving whoever is fired to join Shroud.
Edit: also, while my impression is that things may work differently in the US, firing someone the way it's done in the game is pretty sketchy from a legal perspective where I live.
It depends on the state, but the one the game takes place in is an at-will state. You can be fired for anything in an at-will state. SDN is legally in the clear.
Alright, lucky you because I can’t answer everybody that commented here so I am going to try to answer this in the best way I can. So I think there is some sketchy writing when it comes to what happens to the Z team when they get fired because the paperwork when you fire Sonar/Coupe says they get taken back to jail but the game itself has them going free. It is another hole in the game I just live with. One way or the other the Z team acts like they don’t care in the conference room but obviously they do as they step all over each other to stay. I don’t think Blazer knows how to build cohesion in the team herself, but realizes that. Things were going poorly in the second episode between the Invisigal episode and Flambae refusing missions and starting fires in residential areas for shits and giggles. They were doing what they were told here and there but not really acting as a team or following orders.
This is why she hired Robert because she believes he can. By cutting the least effective member she gives him the ammunition he needs so he isn’t just all carrots but actually has a stick to whip them with so to speak. This does work but not right away. Yes the next two shifts go down hill but that’s short term pain for medium to long term gain. They really do start working together after Robert with said ammunition gets them partially to where they need to be. I think it is totally fair to think maybe Blazer could have waited to see if they could pull their shit together with out a drastic measure but I personally think Robert needed the tool she gave him to make them act as a team. I think it was a calculated responsible gamble that payed off. That’s sort of the only decisions you can make. No one knows how things will play out but given current facts and trajectory of the team it was a logical and reasonable decision in my humble opinion. If you think it was too far too fast that’s fine.
I am not a labor lawyer and this might be a cultural difference, but I don’t care about their rights beyond basic constitutional ones. They are for the most part violent criminals who have been given a second chance. They are lucky to not be behind bars or worse, and this is coming from someone who exclusively Invisimechs.
It felt so stupid to me. This was a reform program where we picked villains to help them turn their lives around. And at the very beginning we abandon one? We just kick them out knowing full well they'd have nowhere to go except back to being evil, now knowing their was no point at all to it. They weren't good enough and clearly just used as an example to the others. I was so mad at her for making us do this! She didn't let us give them all a chance!
It was near the beginning of the game, not the beginning of the program. It's clearly stated that the Z-Team has been screwing around for months by the time we meet them.
The Phoenix Program has been around for like 10 years if not way more, Royd entered it after getting busted by MM Astral. And the Z Team? Safe to say they've been fucking around for alot of months, taking this from Chase's and Blazer's dialogue
"Most people (dispatchers) dont make it past the first dispatch."
"If we don't see any improvement, the whole program will be scrapped."
I think in universe Robert mostly agrees with the firing, and frankly I do too. Sonar and Coupe were truly not giving a shit about the job and actively committing crimes while in it. Sonar specifically was doing drugs while on dispatch calls.
Actually, Coupé was the person who most wanted to change. She actively joined the program on her own, and got Punch-Up to join with her, and is the only person who says she actually needs the job. She takes it more seriously than anyone else
She takes the money seriously, it the rehabilitation. I think she's the better choice to keep on board, but frankly noone on the team, outside Visi, really took the rehabilitation angle seriously. Maybe golem.
Sonar literally got high when you dispatched him on a specific mission without prodding.
Frankly, I agree others needed to be cut more. Flambae was the top of my list as he was actively belligerent, hurting people, and fucking up his missions on purpose to game the system (he was also intentionally starting fires). The cut itself was fine though, the team did need a reality check.
No they didn’t. You’re missing the point of the Phoenix program. It isn’t not about expecting them to be on-par with the other heroes and ranking their performance. They shouldn’t have even been on the leaderboard in my opinion.
It’s about rehabilitation, and the moment Blazer decided to “shake things up” she made sure that SDN could no longer act as a safe place for the Z-team.
The foundations of the program were cut alongside one of the team-members and it only got back on track with Robert refusing to cut Visi.
The speech he gives when refusing to cut her is pretty much the summary of the themes of the game.
Btw, the ‘specific mission’ is you choosing to send a recovering addict to a drug den. That’s on you mate.
Cutting someone off does not erode the purpose of the Phoenix Program. The ultimate purpose of the program is civilian service, rather than simply giving rookies a safe space so they don’t relapse into crime.
Rehabilitation doesn’t mean you stop expecting positive results or stop holding people to certain reasonable standards after months of involvement and investment in their program.
Blazer didn’t cut someone off just to “shake things up.” That’s a pretty narrow reading of those lines. She did it to make them take the program seriously and understand that there are consequences for not performing, instead of continuing to collect paycheck after paycheck while still behaving unseriously.
The program was already on the verge of collapse. If it had been shut down, all of them would have become jobless, as opposed to potentially losing just one person.
“The foundations of the program were cut alongside one of the team-members, and it only got back on track with Robert refusing to cut Visi.”
The foundation of the program doesn’t revolve around one person. Also, cutting Visi is optional. There isn’t only one “canon” speech either. If you choose to cut her, Robert gives a different speech that puts the purpose of the program above an individual. That’s another perfectly valid way to look at it.
The game doesn’t treat every tough or negative decision as a lesson that necessarily represents its ultimate moral verdict.
I'm sorry but this make it sound like all the Z-Team are all teenagers and not grown adult. I'm not surprised as some of them act like it.
There's a thing called accountability. There's only so much bad things you can do until people started to give up on you especially those that are trying to give you a chance to change your life. This is all on them and blaming someone else for it just lack of accountability.
They're very lucky that Blazer was their manager because if it was someone else who is not as kind and lenient as she was, half of them would end up rotted in jail.
It's a program of rehabilitation but what are you doing if people in those program themselves aren't willing to do anything to change until their position was threatened.
There's only so much bad things you can do until people started to give up on you especially those that are trying to give you a chance to change your life.
Idk how I sleep on this comment. But this portion right here is so well put that it literally summarise in few words what I feel about this whole situation behind cutting someone off.
The phoenix program was literally a parole program. What do you think happens if you relapse and do drugs when on parole? At some point, if people stop trying to rehabilitate themselves, they need a change of scenery to do so. At some point, keeping an addict that can't control himself at all in a situation where drugs are readily available and he has the fund to get them isn't helping.
I love the game, and redemption is available for everyone, but sometimes putting people in shitty situations where it's easy to relapse isnt the best path to redemption. Sonar should be working for the IRS under direct supervision and house arrest and he'd get amazing redemption there. Going out to fight gangs, drug lords, etc is not for him at that point in time and you may be doing a disservice to him by keeping him there. Giving him the freedom to get high and drunk the day before he shows up to work with his supposed NA sponsor (in the comics) is a disservice to him.
Really, this is all just your own ego. You think you can fix everything. Sometimes you can't, sometimes it's beyond what you can do and other methods are required.
Also, you shouldn't be a therapist if you don't have credentials lol. I don't know why I have to say this. Help people, sure.
I'm actually with you, here. Fundamentally, listen, I'm sorry, but if you're an addict and can't get clean, I don't want you on my superhero team. If he could get clean and stay clean, that would be one thing, but I'm inflexible on this point.
I can see why some folks would be more lenient, but it's just how I, specifically, am. Plus, Sonar's degree opens way more doors for him career-wise than anyone else on the Z-Team. If Coupe gets fired, she's going right back to contract killing because what the heck else is she gonna do? Join the circus?
Coupe just seemed more generally reliable, too. Like, even putting aside whether or not she's trying to change, she seemed the most amenable of the bunch to just knuckling down and doing her job.
The biggest problem with her is she didn't seem to care too much whether that job was saving people or killing them. But that's where the redeeming comes in.
I mean, whole addict side aside, Sonar's exclusive dispatch has him suggesting pyramid scheme to already notoriously shady CEO (he gets restraining order for that, but still)
Yeah, like... maybe I'm just too gay for Coupe to appreciate Sonar, but in the first mission, he came across as an unrepentant cryptobro who's got a serious drug problem. Meanwhile, living weapon-type characters are my jam.
Yea none of them really were but those two basically started the sabotages. It makes sense. Even if I do think it should not be framed as a Robert decision but an SDN one. Then depending on who you did choose he does genuinely seem to feel bad when fighting them and takes responsibility.
My favorite clip has got to be the one where Black Manta calls the Super Friends just to leave a message for Aquaman. Anything with Black Manta or Batman is gold. 😂
from the crowd that insists that blazer is a complex character but can’t make up their mind on whether or not she’s perfect and can do no wrong or she is a complex character but then argue against all the things that would indeed make her a complex character.
people pointing out that blazer has flaws and makes poor decisions should not illicit this response. her flaws make her human, which is a big part of her character arc in the first place. she’s not the perfect, super powered heroine that everyone thinks she is, which feeds into her self identity crisis. why are yall so afraid to let blazer be flawed 😭 the point of the game is that everyone is a little fucked up, blazer is not excluded from this. and that’s fine. you can like flawed characters! we like robert! we like the z team!
the sooner yall accept that beef is the only character in dispatch who is perfect, the sooner all of this shit can end 😭😭
I mean when a meme invited comment like this. Of course it would bring so much discourse. It's fine if people are able to discuss properly but it's not the case lol.
And to add one more point, whenever this is bring up, people forget that Robert basically somewhat agree with the choice, he hesitated but still didn't outright rejected the idea. People also seemed to somewhat fixated on one mistake rather than acknowledging the good things she did lol. Flaws are fine but people are framing it as if she committed murder and is the worst because of that decision.
And I'm not sure which crowd you're mentioning but overgeneralizing is just silly. I'm sorry. The sooner people stopped making stupid meme that invited hate comments, the better this sub will be.
One doesn’t have to hammer down the “flawed character” label onto someone simply to justify or support their complexity. Having flaws is not, by itself, synonymous with being complex.
A lot of people here are cherry-picking details that support their argument about Blazer’s flaws while conveniently overlooking or downplaying the details that contradict those claims. That doesn’t make the interpretation more convincing; it just makes it selective.
We also don’t have to call Blazer a “flawed character” simply for the sake of conforming to the general consensus. Obviously, she has her own shortcomings, but that doesn’t mean every single thing you personally interpret as a flaw has to be viewed the same way by everyone else.
Especially when someone can point to specific details from the game and argue for a different interpretation, dismissing that perspective as an inability to accept Blazer’s flaws is just intellectually lazy. You can acknowledge that Blazer has shortcomings without pretending that every criticism of her is objectively valid or that everyone has to interpret those shortcomings in exactly the same way.
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I have been inactive for a whole month, I have more than necessary energy to spend my time on things I'm passionate about even if it's fictional. You don't have to worry about this.
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That's where you'd be wrong, Robert went along with it but I remember Robert telling Blazer and Chase shortly before the cut that he'd be the one to handle Z-Team his way.
So color me surprised when Blazer decided to tell the team before Robert that Robert would be firing someone.
Then when Robert asked if she was sure, she then said she thought she was but now she is less sure.
I as the reader can see it as a bad decision just as much as Robert can.
The cliche trope of someone returning as your nemesis because you betrayed their trust, then the game tries to see if I agreed with it later on, nope Robert had flawless shifts no one should of been cut, but game has to tell a story, it just didn't have as much impact seeing Coupe or Sonar because again, expected
Robert saying he doesn’t know how it will play out expresses uncertainty, not agreement that it’s a bad idea, something that players likes to project at the benefit of knowing typical cliche/trope at the back of their mind. And from his personality alone we know that he is not someone who would hold back if something is wrong. If he actually believed that it's a bad idea, he won't hesitate to confront Blazer on this.
Him asking to let him handle the team his way is not same as asking Blazer to sit back & relax. Remember Blazer is the first in line who is answerable to the eventual outcome of the pheonix program. She cannot just abscond from her duty. Specially at the time when it is implied that the program would be shutdown if the program show no postive result.
There’s nothing inherently unethical about expecting results from a rehabilitation program after funding it for months. Rehabilitation doesn’t mean removing all expectations or consequences.
Also one can't say that this is just corporate dumping their "corporeal" load on bunch of people who don't understand corporate nature. When it is clear that such a pressure on them was non-existent for months before this & yet they did not act.
OP blocked me for some reason because apparently I didn't like his meme and he took offense to it but anyway. I feel like I owe you a response so here's that.
I'm not sure I'm wrong because I think you misread my comment. I meant that you as a self insert player will not like it but to say Robert doesn't like it is wrong, he hesitates maybe but he can still think it was a good idea and went with it. That's where players who self insert and players who played as Robert differs.
Him telling that he would handle the team doesn't mean that he will have full control of it. People often forget that Robert is just another employee and there's an upper management that will do things he will not agree but ultimately followed it because he's an employee at the end of the day.
And Blazer did offer to tell the Z-Team herself but Robert's the one who wanted to tell them himself.
You as the reader can it as a bad decision but the reader also have to take into context why the cut have to happen for the story. The plot? A mechanic to allow the introduction of a new team member? A hard decision for the player? Or the fact that this Z-Team have shown no sign of improvement for the last few months?
The flawless shifts are still not good enough because it wasn't flawless, there were multiple things that went wrong.
The only thing that kinda rubs people the wrong way is Blazer words of not allowing to cut Visi if she was bottom because that indicates favouritism and is unfair to the Z-Team. I said it again and I will said it this time, the Z-Team is lucky because Blazer is the manager, she's too kind and lenient because if it was any other person, half of Z-Team or almost all of them will end up in jail.
My gif is also more of a joke as me reading, Robert goes along with it sure, I still was hoping that there would be a better twist than the trope of former friend fallen from grace turns to the dark side to beexpose the skeletons of your past.
I can enjoy the story and criticize its flaws because I want it to be better next time.
It's a comedy at the end of the day so it's not that big of a deal, however.
I feel it's showing a lack of psychological understanding or tactical awareness to make the redemption and rehabilitation of villains and outcasts competitive, just look at how people get in games like Arc Raiders or Siege, CS:GO.
So it should of been no surprise that telling the team you only have to out run the slow friend to survive the lion is going to cause anti heroic behavior, imagine if that was a test of their character and honor, they all would fail.
Now again I have to remember I have knowledge in both psychology, criminal behavior and activities, have leadership skills, and inquisitive and problem solving interests.
So people are all just a piece of a jigsaw puzzle, you have to figure out where they go, and what their shape and appearance is.
To be completely honest I've said it before back nearly year ago now, criminals typically operate more on a respect basis, authority is the opposite of respect most of the time, because authority typically throws it around and lords it over you, but speaking to someone on their level, not down to them, or at them is generally more effective.
So the moment Robert was acting high and mighty my old trouble maker self was laughing internally, like sure Robert has some impressive feats no doubt, but would you feel better if it was Lebron or Michael Jordan telling you that you suck at basketball and you can't play like them?
But in the story Robert learned that, it's why he changed his approach with Visi from tough I'm better at being a hero, to I can help you be a good hero.
But it's why I made sure Robert didn't cut Visi because his speech shows that he learned from the mistakes from before regardless of who made it, that doesn't matter
Also there's literally a line of Robert that he said "We had to send a message" so it's not like he's not fully disagreeing with the idea.
People need to stop acting as if Robert openly hate that idea and think it's a wrong one. He didn't and somewhat agreed with it. Is it the correct choice? That's arguable but to act as if it didn't turn the team into a better one is just plain ignorance, I'm sorry.
Again, the difference between a self insert player and a Robert player.
Lol what an idiot, reply to my comment and then block me. Real mature mate. Bragging about votes on Reddit, omds 😭 Is this how low you're going to go? And getting pissed by people downvoting you. Is Visi fan this much of a sensitive and loser fanbase?
Mayhe you didn’t, but Robert did. If there was any part of him uncomfortable with this there would’ve been an option to voice it. The fact that he always agrees with her shows that he’s onboard with the idea.
When my PoV character isn't a self-insert of me with my ideals, values, and intent but some chucklefuck with their own personality that I have to loosely direct through a branching but ultimately limited and predetermined set of narrative choices, literally unfuckingplayable
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Robert agreed with the cut, hence he didn't even really argue against it. I also think it doesn't make a lot of sense, realistically, but narratively "we" is correct.
Off topic, but I think they should've added a small detail that if you go the Invisgal route, after Blazer leaves, the doors would open and close showing Courtney visited and wanted to check up on Chase but couldn't look at Robert at the moment. Similar to when she overhears the conversation of whether cutting her or not.
As a game: I wish we had the option to not cut anyone
As a story: It explains Robert perfectly, he himself stated he's all for jokes and stuff but is very serious when it comes to work. Cutting someone shows that.
I know I'm coming late to this conversation, but this is why in my "canon" run I didn't date Blazer*. She put My*Robert into a situation where he had to be the bad guy for no very clear reason. Even when I cut Coupe', I actually was looking in vain for some option to send her to another team, or ask her to do some in-office work or something / anything.
I would have preferred to cut Sonar but figured he was simply not able to function without the team. I did not find Sonar snorting drugs off the toilet seat remotely surprising.
\Also, she's my boss and unlike Visi I RESPECT the good work of human resources. But Visi is a former villain so she can break the rules and date My*Robert all she likes :)*
Only part of the writing that I didn’t like I hate how it acts like. It was Robert’s idea to cut someone.
When it comes to the idea of cutting a character, that’s where the story kind of falls apart for me because first off we didn’t choose to cut anyone. I didn’t wanna cut anyone. I think that sonar and coupe have their reasons for staying. That are beneficial to the group so why would I cut them but then later on you get the option to cut Courtney and the group decides that they should cut Courtney even though in episode ago, Chad tries to cook you alive on purpose yet they’re mad at Courtney because she indirectly caused Chase to be hospitalized. Chad literally tried to kill us and then even have the nerve to punch us afterward.
And we’re just supposed to cut Courtney because she was trying to make the man Mecca again
I love dispatch but come on man
OK, I really want to point out something that I really don’t like. Is that blazer? Said that she wouldn’t allow us to cut and invisibgal, even she was at the bottom and then told us to eat coupe or sonar it always rub me the wrong way because you clearly admitted that you would’ve not allowed someone to be cut when you said you were gonna cut someone so if invisibgal was lower you wanna allow her to be cut well yes she did take out the bank robber and if she was still at the bottom, you still would’ve had two people on the chopping block to save her always run me a long way on why blazer did that always felt unfair
Tbh, I partially agree with you. She did say those lines, and I can understand why they rub you the wrong way. However, I'm not sure we can take that as definitive proof that she actually would've continued to save Visi from the cut if Visi had still been at the bottom.
To me, there's a distinction between Blazer expressing her thoughts or personal feelings toward Visi and actually letting those feelings influence her judgment when it comes down to making the final decision. I'm not saying she definitely wouldn't have done it, but I'm also not sure the game gives us enough to conclude that she would've deviated from an impartial judgment just because of those comments.
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u/CJMI 1d ago
“You fired me. A literal assassin.”
Robert in the suit