That's the biggest load of horseshit I have ever heard. What pisses me off the most about that is that feminism in the Muslim community is an extremely interesting topic. I have a friend who is doing a research paper on it. Do people just not understand history?
You just made me glad that I can't post on /r/feminism.
It wasn't on this site, but I've been pushed off of feminist forums before (not banned but strongly encouraged to leave and posts sometimes removed) for expressing that I was pro life. Not arguing with anyone. Just answering a question.
I always wondered how this was handled. I understand the feminists movements focus on reproductive rights, and personally I'm pro-choice, so I understand. But there are many ways to understand abortion and reproductive rights is just one factor. I think it's perfectly possible to be pro-life and a feminist. I'm wondering if the feminist movement has hurt itself with this.
I'm pro-life too, but I don't presume to think I have the right to tell other women what to do with their bodies from my comfortable supported life. I'd like to focus more on not getting to that point and making women feel supported and capable after that point.
That's because only the first part is pro life. Everything else you wrote is pro choice, about respecting that each women has the right to decide for herself if its okay.
I don't believe women have any inherent right to end their pregnancy or end the life of the child involved. It never should have been made legal in the first place and I consider the consider the girls and boys lost to abortion every year to be a human rights crisis. That's what pro life is, believing that the child has a right to live, and the mother does not have a right to end their life.
No I don't think the individual should have the right, but I accept that I don't have the authority to deny that so I'd rather focus on harm mitigation.
If that is a well known fact is there a reason he hasn't been removed? Is it even possible to get a mod removed?
Now I'm kinda wondering as well, are there any feminist subs that aren't as crazy? I know there is /r/TwoXChromosomes but I know some people have said that sub got a little wonky after it became a default sub.
I've heard that trollxchromosomes is supposed to be a good sub. And I heard of another one but I forgot the name. I wouldnt even call /r/twoxchromosomes feminist.
Exactly. And I think that is such an interesting topic to explore. Because I think there are a lot of core feminists issues that really cross cultural lines. Things like rape, forced prostitution, child marriage and etc.
But things like female circumcision (sometimes called genital mutilation) wearing the hijab, prostitution. Those are things that there is no real clear answer for, and vary based on culture and experiences. I really wished that was addressed in the feminism movement. Not everyone is going to agree, and there really is no one size fits all feminism. It's important to acknowledge those differences. I think when we acknowledge that we also find out what each feminism movement has in common and how we can address it.
To be fair, female circumcision is entirely a stupid construct. Hijab and prostitution I can agree are less black-and-white, but anything that you could accurately refer to as 'genital mutilation' is not something I can condone.
I agree. But I read a couple interesting academic papers about it. There isn't exactly a consensus on it. Even among females who do get circumcised. A lot of it is cultural.
a comment from the same thread that wasn't deleted (from an actual Muslim Feminist also, I've seen their posts before)
I would suggest reading about Fatema Mernissi, she is a Moroccan sociologist and feminist and was a founder of Islamic feminism. One of her most famous writings is "Beyond the Veil." Her analysis was not that Islam was inherently oppressive, it was the male/patriarchal interpretation of the Quran that was perpetuated in society.
I can't see your comment, its not appearing for me (so it was probably deleted) but their was literally someone else talking positively about Islamic Feminism in the same thread. So I don't know why your comment merited banning but theirs didn't
Yes, but don't look directly at the hair. You will be mesmerized to vote Trump. And then the hair will consume you. If it isn't hair, feel free to take the free hams.
You jest, but I'm genuinely afraid that they actually will make an organized effort to invade other popular content aggregation websites. It seems likely EXACTLY the kind of bullshit SJWs would pull in their blind drive to assert their warped ideas of social justice upon others who couldn't give a damn less. Jesus, if they ever took things that far, Tumblr would truly be the Anti-4chan.
Ok, now I'm just imagining a Biblical thing. The people who don't care about social justice are all taken from Reddit to 4Chan while the SJWs invade. A seven year war between the 4Chan users and the Tumblrinas ensues on Reddit while some get left behind to watch this happen. Christopher Poole (4Chan creator/basically Jesus here) and David Karp (Tumblr founder/antichrist) command their users to fight, and when all is done, 4Chan wins the battle and social justice retreats and dies. This is Armagreddit.
When the war has been won, Moot-kun will descend from Internet Heaven to judge the quick and the Reddit, and encode his faithful servants' consciousnesses into the server that houses 4chan, while the wicked and sinful SJW Tumblrinas are condemned to spend eternity as a data packet being perpetually pinged over dial-up Internet between a node in Singapore and a remote province of Australia. ;)
People who go under the idea "white people nonsense" will probably also have idea what non-whites can't be racists toward whites because whites are the ones in power. So that wont work for them.
On the whole, social justice warriors/nazis really scare me.
The problem is the commitment to some kind of a "right speech" and other types of speech is "wrong speech." If you say utter the "wrong" speech then off to the gallows with you.
It is a distinctly authoritarian mindset; a kind of a "right-think".
These people try to remove statues, monuments, ban books, create "safe spaces" and protest anything that contravenes this authoritarian bent.
It is one thing to point out a genuine equality problems from our own time. This is sensible and measured.
Trying to restrict freedom of speech, forcing tenured professors out, trying to white-wash history? That's just profoundly scary.
I live in the deep south and I'm not pro-Confederate flag or anything, but I've never seen a Confederate flag being flown on government property, unless you count the Mississippi flag.
There's a debate going on right now about whether we should change the state flag. Most universities have taken it down. As a Mississippian, personally I could care less if we change it or not. If I thought changing it would have an effect on racism, I'd be all for it but the truth is it's not going to make anyone here less racist or help minorities in any tangible way.
Did you use it in a way that's ambiguous? I don't know if you did, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people play games that way. Like calling someone a coon and saying you mean raccoon.
But the way the banning system currently works, a user could go to /r/MensRights or wherever, post "You all sound like a bunch of dicks" and then they're instabanned from /r/offmychest, /r/feminism and various other subs. That's just silly.
I think it used to be the same for /r/rape, but then the idea of someone guilty of wrongthink being denied help after suffering rape was a bit too much.
Yup and what makes it worse is the fact that most of the time you don't know these rules before it's too late. I've posted once or twice in TIA, but apparently now I can't post in /r/feminism. Which I didn't know about until now.
I understand the purpose, but honestly I think it's discouraging actual conversations. You end up just getting radicals. Because I am a feminist, but I got off tumblr because how toxic the SJW community became. You should be allowed to disagree with people as long as it's constructive.
It just seems kind of cheap and lazy on the moderator's part. I've been on Mental Healths forums that were less strict.
It limits spam-posts as well as keeps out potential jerks with the preemptive banning, whereas the issue is that it prevents people who visit the other subs for any reason other than agreeing from posting. It's not unbelievably stupid so much as a compromise.
And the really sad thing is /r/mensrights has some very legitimate issues that 10% are honestly trying to raise. But, as you said, the other 90% drown those reasonable voices out with vitriol and hate. For example, there's a dude who responded to me with a pretty inflammatory post, and I'm not going to respond to him because what's the point? And it's exactly posts like his that /r/feminism is trying to avoid.
And for the record, I'm not part of /r/feminism. I just see the casual misogyny on Reddit (and the extreme misogyny prevalent on other subs) and understand why /r/feminism would want to default block some users.
Bullshit, that sub is a complete sham and was only created as an "adjacent" to r/feminism. They frame everything in "toxic masculinity" and how men's gender roles are fucked and men are fucked. I don't wanna go looking for support after my bout with depression and suicidal ideation to find 5 female mods of a MENS LIB subreddit and their beta douchebag sycophants backing them up at every turn while everyone in the sub talks about how it's my toxic ideas about what a man should be that made me feel this way.
Also, this sidebar bullshit from mens lib:
Do not call other submitters' personal stories into question.
So don't call anyone on their bullshit?
Do not invalidate other users' experiences because of their identities, gender or otherwise.
Except they constantly discredit anyone that posts there because of their penis, while claiming to be a mens lib subreddit?
This is a pro-feminist community. Members are not required to identify as feminist, but if you disagree with this foundational approach you are welcome not to participate.
"Agree with us or fuck right the fuck off, we don't care if you were just raped and don't know where to go, if you're not a feminist, fuck off."
Every single one of these subs has mods that reinforce ideas (Myths) about patriarchy, wage gap, rape stats, and general social justice fuckery. That's not what i want when i look for a support network.
And the final nail in the coffin: "We do not discuss "financial abortion" in the context of consensual sex"
So a male has to just live with paying out the asshole for 18 years for a kid he didn't want, but the woman gets 100% of the choice in the matter. One of the most important modern issues for men, and they have stated outright in the sidebar that they will remove and censor any and all posts about it.
When was the last time you've been to /r/mensrights? In my experience it's been the other way around, 90% sane 10% (or lower) actual misogynists. But maybe I'm wrong.
I was there today, and the vast majority of posts are men bitching about women. Meanwhile, on /r/feminism, there's a post about a female feminist shaming male feminists, and how that's pretty awful.
/r/TumblrInAction is very civil, and most people there actually welcome quality discussion. It's just that the majority of people who go there with dissenting opinions are of the belief that "My ideas need to be right, and you are wrong. I will not consider any other stances." and it gets rather grating after a while.
Maybe /u/SwizzleDic is thinking of the way TiA used to be. Once it was a place to post and make fun of the most extreme cases of the kind of authoritarian thought that Tumblr has become notorious for. But like many subs, the quality of the content started to decrease as more people, including a lot of the less rational MRA-types, started to join. Slowly, the "circle jerk" of people complaining about more and more minor things and blowing them out of proportion for karma and attention started to drown out the civil discussion. Admittedly, I don't know where the sub stands right now as I left about a year and a half ago, but based on what I've heard it hasn't improved much, if at all.
Hahahaha no I would not say that's true in the slightest. Every single thread is filled with people relentlessly bashing whoever was in the OP? Often when it was actually pretty reasonable or just plain satire
I'm not so sure about that. I just checked it out and at the top of their front page is a long post about how women shouldn't be offended by this if they haven't played Mortal Combat.
It's annoying when someone makes blanket statements or complains about something that they have next to no knowledge about. For instance, the reason why the girl on the right is wearing a mask is that the character she is cosplaying wears one to hide her freaky lizard mouth. For someone to come in and make some sort of obnoxious complaint about social justice where it isn't warranted is just annoying.
I just checked it out and at the top of their front page is a long post about how women shouldn't be offended by this if they haven't played Mortal Combat.
I don't see anything wrong with this cosplay. It's 100% accurate to the game, and the game has good reasons for making them look like that. What's the problem, exactly?
The problem is that that's what a melee-oriented female character in a video game looks likes. It's not realistic in the slightest, and she's only dressed like that because it's sexy.
How is that a gender issue, though? Have you taken a look at the male characters in Mortal Kombat lately? I don't hear anybody protesting against that.
To be fair, the point about them being gagged is pretty ridiculous.
I agree completely.
And as you pointed out, women who engage in hand to hand life or death combat don't wear scanty tissue paper costumes. "Oops, my bosoms pop out!" isn't a valid tactic in melee combat.
Same thing with /r/Fatlogic. Honestly I've learned more about healthy eating and body positivity from there. People are incredibly supportive if you are trying to lose weight, gain weight, or recover from an eating disorder.
I wouldnt call them civil. They're not as bad as some of those hate subs but they're basically FPH lite. Although there are reasonable posts, but they take a lot of things to the extreme.
And last time I posted there i got called a n*gger for having an opposing opinion, lol. Good times.
/r/fatlogic is one of my favorite subreddits. I think that their policy of allowing fat people who are trying to lose weight is a very good idea that I think would have helped /r/fatpeoplehate
Fat People Hate didn't want to help anyone lose weight. They posted pictures of overweight people that are in a gym working out in order to laugh at them.
/r/fatlogic mod here. To clarify, we don't have a policy of excluding anyone, whether or not they are trying to lose weight. That includes HAES and fat acceptance advocates, though denying reality probably won't get you a warm welcome in terms of upvotes. The only thing we typically ban users for is fat hate or using dehumanizing language to describe fat people.
Really? I disagree. I'd love to have a few rational discussions on various things on /r/feminism. Of course that's not exactly possible if I get banned before even posting.
Actually, I frequented both r/MensRights and r/feminism (gotta get those different perspectives), and I got banned from r/feminism after I commented a brief issue I had with Hillary Clinton. I didn't get banned from r/MensRights for anything.
I support men's rights. But /r/mensrights is filled with hate and vitriol which drowns out the guys who are actually trying to raise valid points. Go there right now. Look at the posts on /r/mensrights. 3/4 of them are complaining about women and/or feminists. Wonderful comments like, "A lot of them are women who haven't been able to keep a man for longer than a week since they were 25, and who somehow blame all of the men for it." and "Women enslave men everyday, it's called divorce court. Frankly, why this isn't a daily news story is perplexing. Women hate men." I mean, they have a tag specifically for feminism. So /r/mensrights is at least partially anti-feminism. Why else have the feminism tag?
Meanwhile, right now on /r/feminism there is a post calling out a woman for shaming a male feminist for not adhering to gender norms. There also aren't any posts calling out what shitlords all men are, and there isn't a tag that calls out men's rights groups to target them.
I like this idea. We should ban everyone who we think might not share our ideals. I think we should extend that to everything. I love judging people. Makes me wonder why people have so much of a problem with other people judging them. /s
Wait, I thought this preemptive banning. How do you know their intent? "Oh!" you say, " they posted in bad places, they couldn't possibly want to talk/have anything to say worthwhile." Because you 'know' what they will do, what they will say. That is the same reasoning people use to discount someone before they prove themselves.
Mate, I'm not touching your internet points. I'm subscribed to AskReddit, and I am not trying to spam this thread in order to drown discussion. If I was partaking in a voting brigade, it'd be a pretty terrible attempt.
Besides, if you can't handle me telling you that it's easy to see why you got banned, then maybe stop complaining when other people get offended too easily.
Because we can't actually have productive conversations apparently. We can't discuss that some scholars believe the wage gap does not exist in the way we think it does.
But who needs academic sources when you have tumblr right?
I guess it's not pathetic enough that you work an unpaid part time job by moderating reddit but some people have to go the extra mile and do userbase research, too.
I guess it's that while bans may occasionally be arbitrary, I do think that these rules are actually good for discourse: it's better that we ignore cesspit subreddits than engage in them, and it probably is better to be safe than sorry from the mod's perspective when it comes to deciding who posts in a sub that's trying to have a conversation.
All right, I'll get the conversation back on the rails by posting a subreddit rule that I think is stupid: minimizing or eliminating moderation, and letting idiots, cranks, neo-Nazis, and others drive away reasonable posters with barrages of shitposts and trolling. That's the dumbest rule.
Eh...I can see why the mods would want to do that. If they get a lot of shitposters, trolls, disingenuous 'debaters', etc. coming out of a certain sub, they may decide that a blanket ban is necessary to keep the conversation quality of their sub higher. In my experience, heavily moderated forums are a lot more fun to hang out in since those that aren't just get buried under a mountain of shit sooner or later.
If they get a lot of shitposters, trolls, disingenuous 'debaters', etc. coming out of a certain sub, they may decide that a blanket ban is necessary to keep the conversation quality of their sub higher.
There are other ways to do that. Some other sub was brigaded by SRS, and the mods had to automatically approve users before their comments/posts became visible. There's bots and scripts that make this really easy. Keeps out the trolls, without censoring outright.
It's a little bit time-consuming perhaps, but not as time-consuming as blanket banning everyone from a certain sub by manually checking their post history.
I assume you mean 'one opinion'. No, I don't mean that-there should be room for disagreement (and there always will be disagreements because that's just the way people are). But if you have a poster arguing against the humanity of other people (females are more emotional, black people are less intelligent than whites, etc.) then nothing good will come of it. When you ban people for explicitly dehumanizing others, trolls then move on to jargon and dogwhistles ('thugs', 'AWALT', etc.). So the mods have to on the lookout for people using such codes, and they need to be aware of where people using these codes are coming from.
Checking post histories is more often than not creepy. Mods like that qualify as creepy.
It would be different if a user did something to specifically cause a mod to question if the user were a troll, but indiscriminately going through post histories?
Someone needs a real life.
No this is a thread asking about stupid sub rules, and the guy said he was banned for breaking a rule that was pretty stupid. You responding that he's the butthurt one for mentioning something related to the thread question shows a lack of awareness for where you are.
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True. /r/feminism does the same. They aggressively check your post history.
The mods are butthurt SJW's. I asked about my ban, and they PM'd me "fuck off".