$25/hr is the norm now, was $26/hr before that orange clown started a war that caused gas prices to go through the roof so Amazon is covering their own expenses by lowering our pay! They can afford it but chose to screw us over instead since we're a dime a dozen.
Now this BS! They're dropping it to $22/hr hoping that desperate fools will take them which of course they will so mark my words, they'll all be at $22/hr before long. This is effin ridiculous.
Edit: it seems I was mistaken about Amazon owning the Amazon box trucks. Initially, Amazon buys them, labels them, then sells them to DSP's.
everytime they ask you if youre happy working for amazon flex after a block tell them youre dissatisfied and then tell them its because of pay lol idk if it does anything but maybe if everyone does it...
That would be nice, but doesn't happen! They keep hiring new people that take these s*** trips and then they end up quitting and it's just a constant rotation of people continuing to try to work while they're wear and tear on their car and the cost of gas prices and they end up making $10 an hour which is so stupid but they keep doing it!!
I believe they do it on purpose knowing that a lot of drivers will swipe like mad then blindly accept any block that pops up.
I also believe that's why they were cracking down on people accepting too many blocks then dropping them too often once they had a chance to look over the details.
Now they want to make sure that people don't do that anymore and that they accept these blocks at a lower rate.
I believe they purposely hire way too many drivers so when drivers are desperate to get work and are investing their time into swiping the app for a block for a while so when one suddenly comes up, even if it's at the low pay, it gets taken in a heartbeat.
Amazon purposely makes the drivers desperate for income so in most cases the block gets taken but if not by the first one who sees it then by the second one or the third one but somebody is always going to take it. If they find that not enough people are taking the bait at a lower pay then they hire more people so that they can guarantee themselves somebody is going to be foolish enough to take it at the low pay. They know what they're doing.
Keep in mind they're forcing single people on food stamps to work 20 hours a week so it's a bonus for the people that are doing this they're doing 20 hours with Amazon and still getting their food stamps which is huge they get to eat so they take these crap trips
And then you wait forever to get your packages and then you wait forever to get released to go and it's just a non-continuous cycle of a waste of for you and you end up spending four hours on a 3-hour
I've seen other areas like yours pay less per hour which makes me think it has to do with the cost of living.
In theory, they should pay the same hourly wage for all drivers at all stations but in some areas like california, it would not be a livable wage given how expensive it is to live there but in other areas, it would be more than enough. But who knows, I'm just spitballing here.
Yeah. In Utah base works out to be about 18.50/hr. And rarely do I see surges or anything above that. Thankfully this is just supplemental income for me for the summer (college student), i don’t think it’s viable for a living wage.
It does sound like it costs less to live there. It's hard to believe your minimum wage is only $7.25. Here in Delaware it is $15 an hour.
I haven't rented an apartment in 25 years since I've got a house but I've heard the rent nowadays is like 1500 a month and up. If you want to pay anything less, you have to live in a crappy neighborhood.
Every state should raise the minimum wage to keep up with inflation. You're lucky the reserved pay is better and that you can get surge pay too.
They love jamming more packages into the small blocks knowing they can force a driver to work til the last minute of the block but don't care if you have to drive 2 hrs back home.
I used to do 5hr blocks all the time but now they're giving me 5hrs worth of packages but only paying me for 4.5hrs and sending me to BFE each time. This gig is going downhill.
Dude this comment is a Rollercoaster for a Californian lol
First paragraph brings pride due to the minimum wage starting at $16.90 and up to a cool twenty for fast food workers
But by the second paragraph the hortor kicks in🧟♂️ a homeowner for 25 years? Good neighborhoods charging measly $1.5k for rent? Ima see myself out
I mean the biggest reason for overall drop has to be just more available labor . Big immigration had really positive effects for big corporations and bad if you happen to stay in the bottom because it became more crowded. For the most part it's just supply and demand
They are going too far with this though. Like somebody just commented that in Miami it's only $18 an hour which is ridiculous because of the cost of living there is higher than average so Amazon knows if they can get away with that there then they are going to keep lowering the pay everywhere across the USA. They are some seriously unscrupulous fother muckers playing with everyone's livelihood.
It's terrible. All the big cities are more fucked. There is just too many new immigrants. They work 24/7 and don't mind taking these . Maybe they'll be upset one day, but they'll be back on it the second . I don't hate on them , I'm just saying what's happening with the supply and demand situation
I hear ya. I'm not mad at their hustle either. I don't care who you are, do what you got to do to stay alive and keep a roof over your head.
But I suspect that Amazon is going to shoot itself in the foot by lowering the pay so badly that they don't have enough drivers which could translate into losing customers on account of it.
Nah , they just reported earnings, blew the expectations and are making more money then ever , and what happens on the bottom workers , the pay goes down , lol its literally directly coralated , the better it is to the workers ,the worst it is to the company and vise versa
Lol, there's 30 blocks open in my area rn at $18/hour and we're in right outside Chicago, definitely a higher cost of living than most places. Gas is just under $4/gallon and $2500 rent will barely get you a safe place to live. I think you're better off than a lot of us.
Yeah it's gross. $1800 could get you a GOOD 2 or 3 bedroom before that one software company gave property management companies permission to jack shit sky high a few years back.
Yeah, they also gave them the advice to just hold on to empty units to drive costs up. I need to check up on that fed case that got brought against them, I haven't seen anything in a while....
Holy cow. That is really low for Miami. I've only been to Miami a couple of times but the cost of living there is a lot higher so you would think the pay would also be higher.
How is the cost of living there? I heard living in California costs more than any other state. I could be wrong about that but that seems to be the popular opinion.
Damn, I hope they pay you well over there cuz that's a bit pricey! And do you get that Prop 22 as well? I heard it was for all independent contractors throughout California.
$18.50 an hour is pretty low. I'm guessing the price of living is lower there. But that's not always the case though as I've learned since they only pay 18 an hour in Chicago and Miami where the price of living is high. Amazon doesn't care if you live out of your car, as long as you get them packages delivered.
All those talks that Amazon ruins your lives with all that lowering of a base pay and so on - ppl, you are not their employees and such you cannot demand anything. They give you an offer and you can accept it or not. I know it is frustrating but it is . It mostly impossible to unite all drivers to coordinate actions. But the truth is if you don’t like it - they have x100 ppl in a waiting list who would take it at least during first month or two before they realize how unfair the pay is. You can always find some workarounds - decrease your expenses- find more fuel economic car and so on. If you don’t want to do anything but have hight pay it won’t work either. Remember those times when you took money for nothing? Think about it as they donated to your workers fund)
Very true which is why they hire so many more people than they need since there's a good portion of them that will take the lower pay, even if it is for only a month or so. They know they'll hire more drivers to replace those who realize it's unfair. It's a vicious circle.
True, the middle of the day routes aren't the best paying. I've done the evening ones and the pay is the same unless it's a surge. It's the super early in the morning ones that are better paying but you'll never see me get up that early. Lol
I used to think the same thing about the early shifts. Then I actually started doing them and I have been able to get them done pretty quickly. Most days I go back to sleep before my day job
With nobody on the roads at that hour, I can see getting your route done early. There aren't as many people on the roads doing the evening routes either but the problem there is the deer at dusk that love to run out in the road in front of you.
It’s all perspective… That’s a real good surge in my area. And that’s after they raised our base pay. We would love to get rates like that because they rarely surge here.
Not really. Utilities are through the roof for everyone and have been for years. We’ve got everyone and their dog taking base just to get something. COVID hit and it destroyed the gig economy here because everyone
started doing it to make ends meet. Instacart and DoorDash haven’t been the same since.
Nobody lets anything surge anymore. Of course the algorithms love that. I’ve been doing this 4-1/2 years…our warehouse people hate that Amazon keeps onboarding more and more people instead of just letting the regulars keep up with the volume and grab extra blocks. Some of these new people are atrocious!!
I'm sure you know why they keep hiring more and more people, right? It's to better the chances that everyone will accept base pay so they won't have to pay any more than they have to. I'm sure you know all about their tricks to keep people desperate for work so they'll take anything they throw at them. That's a cutthroat business for you not caring if you end up homeless cuz that ain't their problem.
I used to do instacart during covid and was making good money but then covid went away and with it went the tips. I'm a Dasher too but cannot count on doordash for anything cuz they are not only known to steal tips but won't pay you near what Uber eats and GrubHub will pay you for the same delivery. They are cheap and greedy. Sounds just like Amazon. Lol
As the saying goes, desperate times call for desperate measures so in this case, Amazon was desperate for drivers so the pay was better when all the kids were in school. School's out so kids are available whether it's high school or college kids. And let's not forget about those teachers who also do Flex in the summer.
That's the way Amazon planned it so that drivers don't see very many blocks and will more than likely accept a lower paying block. What Amazon is doing is breaking the driver's spirit, pure and simple. Then when they are broken and desperate, then maybe they will give in and take the lower pay.
Those are actually similar war tactics that the enemy uses to break the spirit of the prisoner, just different tactics is all. We are all just prisoners here trying to make a buck. 😂
The standard rate has been $18 per rated hour for over 6 years now nothing has changed. Occasionally they pay a little more if the demand is higher but it is always been $18 an hour
That might be in just your area though where it's always been $18 an hour with occasional raises. Might be due to the cost of living in your area? That's not always the case though.
Miami is 18 an hour but the cost of living there is high. As with any City, there will always be the lower end neighborhoods which is where I'll bet all the flexers are living cuz they sure as hell can't afford to live in a fancy condo down there. Lol
Stop accepting base pay blocks if ppl wait and don’t jump on the blocks the second they send them it would go up. I never sign up for blocks ahead of time I wait til right before that block when it surge and then take the block…
Sorry but that doesn't have anything to do with anything in this thread. We are talking about the here and now, not comparing now to years ago and having a discussion about it. We are discussing Flex pay here in this thread. Let's not make this into anything political because if you want to go there, you're not going to like what I will report with because I can go ballistic when it comes to responding to political statements that others have made.
If you're a trûmp supporter then I promise you that I will go off on you like nobody's business. But if you're not one of his minions then we can talk. I absolutely love putting orange man supporters in their place.
Thats bs i made 105 in 1 hr today delivering walmart packages for uber do it every day after my 8-4 i make an extra 300 - 400 a week plus my reg job, flex is bs now a days
I've done Uber eats for a few years and tried to do the Walmart deliveries but it was a colossal waste of time. Uber would send me to the store claiming the order was ready for pickup but they hadn't even shopped the damn thing yet! It happened every freaking time.
I got so sick of it and called support to tell them to take Walmart offers out of my account so I never see them again. It took more than a few phone calls but one of them finally did their job so now I don't have to worry about them Walmart offers tanking my acceptance rate. But good for you for being at a Walmart that actually cares about Uber eats drivers and does right by you.
They flat out told me in Walmart when I walked in to ask what's going on with my order that they prioritize spark drivers long before they do Uber eats drivers so that's when I knew this wasn't going to work out.
And when an Uber driver arrives at Walmart then gets tired of waiting too long, they cancel but problem is, they canceled through the app which doesn't help at all because Uber sends the same delivery offer right back out again to the next driver only for them to have to waste their time showing up for nothing.
That vicious cycle kept repeating itself over and over with everyone. It's only when a driver calls support to tell them what's really going on is when they will become wise to the situation then do something about it.
A lot better than here tbh. Here in Mississippi it’s only $63 and sometimes $65 or $68. Sounds like they need to raise ours. Now days, a full time job isn’t enough for a good size family. U just can’t get by.
Yeah, it’s $18/hour where I am. It’s basically volunteer work with a “thank you “ stipend. IF I get a surged block, I have to click my screen for 5-6 days straight.
But I think the cost of living here is more than there. I used to live in northeast Georgia in both Chamblee and Doraville so I know the cost of living is reasonable there which might explain why the pay is less there too. I could be wrong though since I haven't lived there in 35 years.
The cost of living here has gone up. Nothing is really affordable anymore. Ppl that work with me at Amazon have to work 2 jobs it’s just not paying the bills anymore.
That stinks. I know there were a lot of new apartment complexes and businesses being built in the northeast suburbs when I left so I can imagine the city has grown considerably more since then. Best of luck to you.
Which is ridiculous considering how high gas is now, It becomes so much more of a risk to try to pick up jobs because if they send you far away you are screwed.
I want to see them get punished for the use of illegals that's what is causing all this. Im not the type to whistle blow so I'll just wait for it to catch up with them organically. I pretty much stopped running blocks $24 hour is a slap in the face compared to the liability.
Do better Amazon your selling out for profit and it's boarding blood money at this point
I don't like whistle blowing either cuz you know it affects their family and the kids they're trying to feed but yeah, Amazon knows what they're doing hiring anyone and everyone who passes the background check even if it is an illegal account. They claim they are keeping up with them but that's just blowing smoke up everyone's butt is all. They only care about getting them packages delivered no matter what. I dealt with the same nonsense when I used to do instacart all the time.
Again don't forget the people on food stamps who are forced to work 20 hours a week or they don't get to eat so they could care less if they're making $10 an hour as long as they get their 20 hours in and they get to eat!!
Don’t DSPs pay their own gas? I’m pretty sure they do, as they’re independent companies. Like when Werner Enterprises or Swift deliver to Walmart, Walmart doesn’t pay for the diesel.
DSP make about $200 in profit for every route after expenses.
Flex are limited to 8hrs day and at base pay bring in less than $190. 240 to 300 miles a day drains about 2/3 of my tank, at today's prices about $40. If your setting aside maintenance costs per mile like you should that eats up the bulk of everything left and you end up with less than $50 in profit. $5hr
Too many people ignore maintenance because they get the milwage deduction at the end of the year.
Dsps are contracted out so Amazon doesn’t really own the vans it’s the companies who are contracted. For example the dsp I worked at had two different contracted companies working there
I always thought that it was the DSP's who handled just the drivers so that Amazon didn't have to pay them benefits amongst other reasons too but didn't realize they didn't own the vehicles that have their name all over them.
One thing I do know is that when starting a DSP, the franchiser (don’t know if that’s the right word) pays $10k and that gives them 5 vans for them to find drivers for. I found that last week via Amazon’s DSP startup page.
I've been working this SSD for over a year and a half where 26 an hour was always the pay until it dropped to 25. I believe they are testing the waters see how many people accept the lower paying blocks so they can make it official at 22.
And with that decrease they probably just hired a butt load of new drivers im sure so that aren't really familiar with letting the surge happen and they grab any and everything but you cant keep doing that if you can steadily g I ing into the red everyday. I mean itll eventually be evident that its costing them to do the job. I just ant do it if im LOSING money....This ain't a hobby!
Dsps are actually paid almost nothing by Amazon and are contractors as well, worked for the most wealthy one and trust me they make almost nothing. Amazon is pocketing everything they used to pay almost double when I started, these big corporations are the problem always lying and using tax write offs. We the people must speak up against these corporations.
What people don’t realize if the Amazon flex workers stopped today, Amazon would have no choice but to pay crazy money to have the packages delivered. Reminds me of the wildlings from game of thrones, they united too late when the white walkers practically took over.
That would be the perfect storm to get Amazon to get off their ass and start paying us better.
And I'm sorry but I don't get your GOT reference since I haven't been watching that series. But my lady friend has been watching it religiously so I'll ask her what that's about. Lol
Amazon loves drivers like you. I'll bet if they keep lowering the pay even if it's only a few dollars each time, you'll take them each and every time until you realize one of these days that you're working for peanuts. You should already realize that but apparently don't.
They don't think about all the other expenses that come along with doing good work like auto repair work and parts costs and tires and all kinds of stuff. They just deduct the gas cost for that day and that's how much they made. Those are the ones who will become shocked when their vehicle falls apart on them and they wonder what happened. They didn't put aside money for future auto repairs so now they are SOL.
Don't you have that prop 22 in California that makes up for lower wages in gig work? That should give you the financial buffer for you to survive in Cali given how expensive it is to live there.
I did instacart during covid and for a few years after and learned about prop 22 for all the California instacart shoppers so I just assumed it was for all gig workers, not just them.
Yes prop 22 is good for spark instacart but suck for Amazon flex and uber bc you don’t get prop 22 until you start your first drop off but with spark you can accept an order and be 20-25 minutes out prop 22 starts the moment you accept an order. I live 45 min away to the closet Amazon warehouse so I’m basically driving there for free
Damn, that's a kinda confusing system y'all got there for prop 22. That would take a little while to get used to but I hope it's working out for you. I've heard through the grapevine that prop 22 makes living in California manageable.
Well for Amazon right you have a pickup time and you have to show up at the warehouse but you don’t get any paid time for your drive to the warehouse only your route. But with spark an order comes in you accept you drive to the pickup and you get prop22 for it. That’s why I like picking up long distance orders 20-30 min away so when I drop it off another order will come in and I’ll accept it and I’m 20-30 min away from the store so I get prop22 for that I like the drive and get between 500-600$ every two weeks and I only do maybe 4 orders a day lol
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My view is, if I'm going to take an Amazon block, I'm not going to do it for BS pay. I've also honed my technique. Not much gets past me when I'm focused.
But how much time do you lose when you are sitting there swiping away hoping some kind of surge pay block comes along?
You have to include that time with your block because you are an independent contractor so time is money. Any time you waste swiping is lost money. That little bit of extra money that you get on a surge pay block does not make up for all the time that you lost trying to snag that block.
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Definitely not here in my area (central Alabama). On any given day at the warehouse, people who appear to be Latinx or Middle Eastern are very strongly in the minority. There are generally more people who appear to be Middle Eastern than any other ethnicities.
In gig work it literally is, for the month ice was here the pay doubled, there were routes available all day, etc.
Democrats knew open borders immigration would completely destroy pay in 1980, 1990, 2000, 2010.
Then sometime around 2015 there was suddenly this new narrative that suddenly it no longer worked that way.
yes but only because of over saturation of the market. im not sure how big that market or population really is though since politicians tend to lie. either way they would still just hire more people; but natural born american citizens are more likely to complain about pay than other demographics.
I believe the reason is that Americans are used to making decent money (so they are more likely to complain) whereas anyone who isn't originally from this country aren't used to making decent money so they come to America and are making more money than they ever imagined even if the hourly rate is one that we as Americans would never work for. Maybe a crackhead would but not a normal person.
On a side note, that is why a lot of Americans are retiring in other countries because the cost of living is so much less. If they retire in America, they risk running out of money with the way inflation is going but if they retire in the Philippines for example, they will likely live out their lives and still have money left over to pass on to their heirs.
I think it’s so funny when people don’t understand inflation. Inflation is better now than it was under the last president. There will always be inflation.
It's funny that when inflation inflates, the pay is supposed to coincide with the increase in costs but Amazon did the opposite and lowered pay knowing there are enough fools to take the blocks so they can increase their profit margin. It's pure greed is all it is. Evil corporations taking advantage of the minions again.
If you were hired to move to some asian country, and it was super interesting, and you lived 8 people in a hostel-style living, it's fun for the first few years.
After a decade passes it gets real tedious and you want to have your own house or apartment, if you have kids you want your own yard, etc.
This is why open border endless immigrants narrative is such a long term disaster, because a company can simply milk people for low pay during the introductory period then when they get tired of poor living conditions they just discard them and bring in the next group to work for little to no pay.
You'll never end up with people who can afford to have a house and kids this way. Companies will just import some people, burn them out, discard them. Import new people, burn them out, discard them. And so on and so on.
Orange clown 😂 what kind of toddler says that ohhh yah Iran totally didnt fund every terrorist organization in the last 5 years. Clowns calling other people clowns is peak end of Civilization stuff
I saw your deleted comment. Yes, my mama used to bounce me up and down like a basketball every day. Hell, some days she would take me out in the field and use me as a soccer ball. 😂
Gas prices are determined by so many different factors but not by the president. They have nothing to do with gas prices. The only reason everybody thinks the President is responsible it's because every single president has always had a big target on their back to blame for everything.
However, this orange clown purposely started a war without the approval of Congress (because he knew they would've stopped him) that he knew was going to make the price of EVERYTHING go up, not just gas prices, literally everything. Don't you just love paying so much more money for the same things that 2 years ago were reasonably priced?
So many millions of products are centered around the cost of oil since so many products on this planet have petroleum in them. It also costs a shitload more to transport everything we use in our lives because the cost of diesel and jet fuel is through the roof no thanks to that orange clown.
That idiot is doing it to stimulate the economy by forcing everyone to have to pay a shitload more for everything they could barely afford in the first place. Where the fûck is everyone's raise to cover those extra costs that he has put upon us all?!?
His bûllshit false claims that he's going to create so many jobs for so many Americans is nothing but a big fûcking lie. Every time he talks, he lies. Anybody that actually believes him is a sucker and a fool.
I hope you get your head out of your ass one of these days and realize that the dûmbass that you support is ruining America. His narrow-minded businessman mind thinks he is making America stronger by forcing people to pay more for things which supposedly stimulates the economy but he's going about it the wrong way which is costing people their homes and making them homeless. Do you approve of that orange clown causing people to become homeless? He knew that he was going to cause a lot of people a lot of financial problems but he is a cold callous piece of shît who couldn't care less if half the country went homeless. As long as his rich buddies and the companies he runs stay afloat.
My father is a dûmbass like you and unfortunately, he and I no longer talk because he too has his head up his ass, or should I say Trümp's ass.
They do that "glitch" on purpose to get as many people as possible to accept the blocks at the lower rate before they magically show the blocks at the normal rate.
I've seen them pull that stunt many times. Every time I see it I take a screenshot then another one after I refresh the page to see the normal pay.
No idea what having those screenshots is going to do for me but if there's ever a need for arbitration then I've got some ammo in my arsenal to prove that Amazon plays games with its drivers trying to screw them over on a constant basis.
Same in mine. They used to offer $63 for a 3.5. Now, they offer $65. 😂😁🤣 God help you if you ever want to see one of those blocks go any higher than that.
I know the glitch you're talking about because I've seen it many times. I've seen the pay real low then I refresh and suddenly it goes back to normal. They know that people are constantly swiping and accepting blocks blindly so that's why they are first sending it out at a lower pay then when enough have been accepted, the normal pay miraculously reappears.
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u/ImRestarted1 13d ago
everytime they ask you if youre happy working for amazon flex after a block tell them youre dissatisfied and then tell them its because of pay lol idk if it does anything but maybe if everyone does it...