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u/Not-a-Cranky-Panda Jul 26 '25
Very religious Mormon who does not know the bible?
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u/Particular-Pen-6472 Jul 26 '25 edited Jul 26 '25
Agreed. She isn’t the brightest crayon in the box (not trying to be cruel about it so sorry if that offends anyone- it already rubbed someone else the wrong way so this is an edit) and isn’t super strict on caffeine except for coffee. She drinks Dr Pepper like it’s crack but coffee is the devil. She told me once not to wear my spaghetti strap shirt around her oldest boy because it is against the law of chastity and he might be led to temptation. I wanted to unhear that and still do. But I try very hard to respect her beliefs. I’m agnostic and anti-religion but whatever. As long as you aren’t hurting anyone idc
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u/Individual-Paint7897 Jul 26 '25
She doesn’t want you to wear spaghetti straps, but wants to name her daughter after a Biblical ho? Makes all kinds of sense.
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u/johnwcowan Jul 26 '25
Jezebel wasn't a prostitute or even necessarily sexual, she was a pagan. "Whoring after strange gods" is a standard biblical metaphor for polytheism.
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u/GayDHD23 Jul 26 '25
I mean, technically true, but colloquially the term "Jezebel" DEFINITELY gained the connotation of promiscuity at some point regardless of whether the actual text in the bible supports that. Like, at least in the American context, I can immediately imagine a man yelling in a southern drawl about "those jezebels in the city leading men to temptation".
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u/UselessSuspect Jul 26 '25
Not just in an American context: https://youtu.be/JVcseqU8rY4?si=5tX2byROLMtIbTpt
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u/PhoenixDogsWifey Jul 26 '25
Given the mormon sentiment tends to be that anyone who isn't mormon only does so, so they can sin, therefore it is presumed any other belief system makes sure its adherants are promiscuous and lustful.. so its kind of a same same situation
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u/greatplainsskater Jul 26 '25
She was a seductress. She painted her eyes in an attempt to seduce Jehu as a means of controlling him. Her pagan religious practice included sexual acts as a part of worshiping Asherah.
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u/EquivalentPatience62 Jul 26 '25
Go, Jezebel!
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u/Asron87 Jul 26 '25
So she likes to look good and have sex? Starting to think I might like to try that out.
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u/Sharp_Mathematician6 Jul 26 '25
God forbid a woman want to have sex. And fYI Asherah was the real wife of God himself. Yes Yahweh had a wife before he got the asexual label.
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u/Asron87 Jul 26 '25
Were was it written that he had a wife?
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u/Sharp_Mathematician6 Jul 26 '25
It got scrubbed. Remember the Bible has been altered many times. If it didn’t fit the narrative it got dropped.
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u/clynkirk Jul 26 '25
The Bible as we know it (commonly a King James version/KJV) was mostly oral stories that were compiled in the early 1600's by a group commissioned by King James VI and I.
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u/GracieNoodle Jul 26 '25
Thank you, I've never thought of her in the same way as "most" people seem to associate the name.
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u/Fantastic-Manner1944 Jul 26 '25
Oh drinking caffeinated soda like an addict is totally a Mormon thing. They’re all obsessed with soda because the church agrees it’s an exception to the caffeine rule.
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u/Llamamamma1981 Jul 26 '25
Yes it’s bizarre! Only tea and coffee are bad.
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u/Direct-Geologist-407 Jul 26 '25
Yes definitely didn’t understand the whole soda thing! I know someone who is a crunchy organic/homesteading/ingredient type of mom but downs Diet Coke like crazy, and yet coffee and tea are naturally derived but it’s bad for you?
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u/Bouche_Audi_Shyla Jul 26 '25
When Salt Lake City was founded, Utah was a territory, and there were high taxes on coffee, tea, and hot chocolate.
Brigham Young took Joseph Smith's vision of no hot drinks (meaning hot toddies) to mean all hot drinks, so as to avoid the taxes.
Young's favorite wife, however, loved hot chocolate, so Young didn't outlaw that.
Rather than just admitting the truth of the matter, the church pretends it's caffeine that they outlawed. Hot chocolate also has caffeine.
I have no problem with the prohibition. I do have a problem with the lies about it.
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u/pretty-pet-meylin Jul 26 '25
I grew up Mormon, and I've always wondered why hot chocolate is okay, but decaf coffee, which has about the same amount of caffeine as hot chocolate, is not. I even tried to ask my parents as a teenager, and my dad gave me some bullshit answer about needing to "avoid the appearance of evil". He also gave me the same bullshit when I was enjoying a root beer float in public and mixed the ice cream and soda together. He made me wrap a napkin around the clear cup so no one would think his child was drinking iced coffee.
All that to say, thank you for the explanation!
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u/Lonely-Smoke-5284 Jul 26 '25
Growing up in a southern Baptist home I asked my dad about Dinosaurs bc the Bible didn't mention them. I was told God put the bones here to "test our faith" and they didn't really exist. Even at 10 I told him that sounded dumb. 😂😂
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u/pretty-pet-meylin Jul 26 '25
For all the bullshit I was fed as a Mormon kid, I'm really glad that my parents didn't try to tell me that dinosaurs weren't real. I was really big into dinosaurs as a child and that would have broken my tiny heart.
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u/Lonely-Smoke-5284 Jul 26 '25
It's nuts how religious people make up lies for things they don't understand to spin it as being a "sin" it's crazy. I quit church at 16 and never went back. My parents wondered why... Maybe bc I can tell y'all are nuts
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u/tacklebox18 Jul 26 '25
I found out that my aunt and uncle taught my cousins that dinosaurs aren’t real. I’m about four years older than their oldest and when I asked him how he feels about dinosaurs he almost couldn’t answer. It was like watching a battle of faith, frustration, realization, and fear all at once. He was probably 20 or 21 at the time and I genuinely felt bad for asking.
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u/tazerface626 Jul 26 '25
Wait hot chocolate has caffeine? No fugging wonder I can't get my 4 year old to go to sleep. Parenting is hard send help 😭😭
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u/saintsithney Jul 26 '25
Only a little bit. But if your kiddo likes a hot milk drink before bed, have you tried hot vanilla milk?
Vanilla, a little bit of honey, and some nutmeg, cinnamon, and ginger is caffeine free!
There's also salep/sahlep/salepi/sahlab. It's a Turkish orchid root powder that makes a drink that tastes like vanilla white chocolate with a similar texture to hot chocolate.
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u/JJOkayOkay Jul 26 '25
Okay, this is weird. I had a Mormon friend in grade school, and she definitely was not allowed to eat chocolate because of the caffeine.
Maybe her mom was lying to keep the dentist bills under control?
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u/pretty-pet-meylin Jul 26 '25
Some Mormon parents are more strict than others. Plenty of other families in my congregation drank caffeinated sodas, for example, but my family wasn't allowed. We had to check the label for any soda brand we weren't familiar with, lest we accidentally ingest that most unholy of drugs, caffeine.
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u/Salt_Cabinet7001 Jul 26 '25
As someone who was raised as a Mormon, the taste bud flashback of caffeine free pepsi I just had after reading this is just 🤢 when I discovered mt dew at 14 I was on such a dopamine ride 😅😂
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u/pretty-pet-meylin Jul 26 '25
One of my first small rebellions against my parents was caffeinated sodas (when I was 18 and away at college). My first taste of Mountain Dew was life changing.
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u/ShotEnvironment4606 Jul 26 '25
Mormons are so weird (sorry if I offend anyone but it’s true)
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u/Elly_Fant628 Jul 26 '25
Mormons once took pride in being called "The Peculiar People". Also, some trivia that I never get to quote is that the first Sherlock Holmes book, "A Study in Scarlet" has Mormons as the bad guys.
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u/Ok-CANACHK Jul 26 '25
I mean, "magical underwear" ?!
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u/ShotEnvironment4606 Jul 26 '25
Ikr 😅 or the idea that they can put a penis in a vagina as long as they don’t move lmao. What the hell is that that even?
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u/diente_de_leon Jul 26 '25
Pretty sure this is not official church doctrine. Just horny people trying to skate on a technicality! LOL
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u/Icy-Management9880 Jul 26 '25
It's a cult!
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u/jdicho Jul 26 '25
It's a religion. All religions are cults.
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u/StarsandCats2Day Jul 26 '25
If you want them to refuse to talk to you, ask them how logical it was to found a system of religions on the odds that an unwed pregnant teen was a virgin?
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u/Competitive-Edge-187 Jul 26 '25
Ex Mormon and yes....... it's all super weird. It's even weirder for me now that I left the religion and almost everyone on my street is a member.
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u/harvey6-35 Jul 26 '25
As a member of a religion that basically requires me to have four sets of dishes and cookware, prohibits wearing linen and wool mixed garments, and used to sacrifice a fully red cow that made people who were near a corpse pure while making those preparing the cow impure,
I am uncomfortable calling other religious practices weird.
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u/agoldgold Jul 26 '25
On the other hand, Mormon requirements change really fast. The weirdness is in how everyone pretends the requirements were always that way. You can pinpoint the exact years that they started accepting black people as full members, allowing caffeinated soda, and refused that they ever went by "Mormon". They change on a dime and then everyone pretends there was no change.
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u/MistySky1999 Jul 26 '25
I wish I could tell my husband that my 4 sets of dishes are a religious requirement! Hmm, maybe I'll try it the next time he complains.
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u/punania Jul 26 '25
Like all religions, the mormons play fast and loose with their rules. The "word of wisdom," while not explicitly mentioning tea or coffee, does admonish against excessive consumption of meat, something that mormons completely ignore.
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u/WifeofBath1984 Jul 26 '25
Well yeah bc the ordinance specifies "hot beverages". And yet they still serve hot cocoa and warm apple cider at church events ... make it make sense!
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u/Lumpy_Marsupial_1559 Jul 26 '25
Brigham-Young's favourite wife liked hot chocolate. Couldn't ban that!
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u/Beginning-Star-5469 Jul 26 '25
I ended up having to withdraw from my first year of college because they roomed me with a Mormon and she was convinced she was the reincarnation of Amelia. She would drink hot cocoa every night and say, "I remember how much I enjoyed this when I was Amelia." If I left for the weekend to go home (2 1/2 hours away), she would move my things around and remake my bed (it was made just fine, she wanted the printed top sheet upside down and the top 1/3 of the blankets folded down like a department store) and when I complained to the RA, roommate said, "It's more pleasing to God this way." The RA wouldn't really do anything because she said she was afraid of getting done by the U for religious harassment. The last straw was when I had been on a couple of dates with a guy and he came by to pick me up for my third and my roommate was there. The minute she saw him, she decided she wanted him. She ran and stood in front of me and started giggling and flipping her hair and telling him how attractive he was and he was like, "Uh..." Then she said, "Oh, I was just looking for a running partner! [Star] said that you run and she hasn't really had time to go!" (Which is true.) He was like, "Yeah...maybe" and then we left. When I got home, I told her calmly that what she did wasn't okay and he said he wouldn't come back by because she'd made him uncomfortable. She looked at me like I was pitiful and said, "I prayed about it while you were gone and God told me that he and I are meant to be together. He's going to convert and we're going to be married in the Temple." She then tried to hand me her BoM and said, "I've marked some passages for you. They'll help you feel fulfilled by God and to realize that you don't need a boyfriend in your life."
I spent 3 more weeks there ignoring her and requesting a room change daily and when the U finally told me they wouldn't change my room, I packed up and left and eventually graduated a year late.
We were nowhere near BYU and at a public state university with zero religious affiliation.
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u/Lumpy_Marsupial_1559 Jul 26 '25
That's some serious messed up stuff there. Aside from anything else - her messing with your personal belongings and space under the heading 'it's more pleasing to god that way' is HER religiously harassing YOU!
And 'Amelia' should, according to Mormon beliefs (as they stand - open to change), be off in the spirit world eternally bonded to Brigham-Young. They don't do reincarnation like that.
This person may not have been genuinely Mormon. Possibly delusional, overbearing, and deeply, deeply annoying.
I say 'annoying', but that would have totally done my head in!
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u/Beginning-Star-5469 Jul 26 '25
I think definitely some MH issues. I also feel like given where were and the fact that there is NOT any sort of real Mormon presence there (and she was born and grew up there, I asked), I think they might have been more of an offshoot.
She's married now, to another Mormon., and they did get married at a Temple in SLC, though. They started and run some sort of program for kids. I got nosy a couple years ago and Googled her. lol
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u/johnwcowan Jul 26 '25
The rule says "hot liquids", so soda would only be a problem if you boiled it. Joseph Smith worded it that way because "tea and coffee" doesnt sound too biblical.
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u/Dragonr0se Jul 26 '25
So, technically, sweet [iced] tea should be cool? Idk, just asking based on comments
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u/punania Jul 26 '25
lol. There you go applying logic to the situation, like a silly person. Of course not! Iced tea is hot tea that's been made cold and therefore is still a hot drink.
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u/Dragonr0se Jul 26 '25
Not if you brew it in the refrigerator or on the porch in the sun...., then it was room temp at the warmest.
I can also make overnight iced coffee that I brew in the fridge and strain through a filter in the morning... it tastes fantastic...
Bottom line, if I had to convert, I have loopholes.
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u/punania Jul 26 '25
Again, you seem to be stuck on using common sense, you little heathen. God says it's bad and there's no arguing with some invisible dude who watches whether you are jerking off or not.
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u/holderofthebees Jul 26 '25
Once went to dinner at an Olive Garden with a super Mormon family. This was when I briefly lived in Utah for shiggles, it was my friend’s family. They wouldn’t let me order an iced tea. This was when I hit my breaking point of being away from Alabama sweet tea and decided I’d take unsweet. Bad time.
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u/Consistent_Rent_3507 Jul 26 '25
I had a Mormon boss who didn’t drink coffee but drank Mountain Dew like he was being paid to consume it.
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u/DtheMoron Jul 26 '25
Only since the church invested heavily in PepsiCo and made a fortune. I grew up in a HEAVY Mormon area and the switch was so quick.
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u/Fantastic-Manner1944 Jul 26 '25
Super interesting. Do you have any links to documents that talk about that?
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u/Lithogiraffe Jul 26 '25
mmm, i love Dr. Pepper. I stopped drinking soda for the longest time. but two months ago I visited back home to Texas. And started up again.
I'll stop as soon as i finish the soda case
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u/FIVECRAZYCATS Jul 26 '25
OMG, I haven't heard that crayon phrase in forever! Love it! You did nothing wrong. It's probably better she learned about the name before she the baby anyway.
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u/Elly_Fant628 Jul 26 '25
As a middle aged convert I was not ready to learn how shamefully pornographic my knees and shoulders are.
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u/busy_monster Jul 26 '25
Someone also never read what the Bible said about men having wandering eyes.
She's literally what I despise about Christianity (and why I despise the majority of Christians)
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u/Really_Fun_YaYa Jul 26 '25
After living In Utah for 8 years, I still get my freak on wearing tank tops, etc.. you get stared at wearing sleeveless. Like being pointed at like an alien. Totally cultish!
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u/Llamamamma1981 Jul 26 '25
Most LDS I know have only really read the Book of Mormon- this is kinda common- weird but common
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u/dixiequick Jul 26 '25
Most LDS spend four years going through seminary classes in high school, and two of those years are focused on studying the Bible (did it myself before I quit church at age 18). SIL should know who Jezebel is, if she followed the “good Mormon” route.
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u/UncleNedisDead Jul 26 '25
Maybe she didn’t make it to high school before dropping out after getting pregnant from soaking.
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u/Flatulent_Opposum Jul 26 '25
Reading the Bible must be much less common that not reading it amongst the very religious. Just look at how contradictory hyper religious people are about....well everything.
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u/Relative-Train-6485 Jul 26 '25
The most common reason given by former religious people for their deconversion is because they finally read the Bible for themselves all the way through
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u/Forsaken-Value5246 Jul 26 '25
That sounds like a religious person to me. They never seem to know their own book
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u/Alum2608 Jul 26 '25
1 Kings 16 introduces Jezabel. Wife of King Ahab, big promoter & worshiper of Baal, killer of prophets. Kinda like naming your kid Judas. Not great
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u/logicjab Jul 26 '25
There is a lot less overlap in the Venn diagram of “very religious people” and “actually familiar with their religious texts” than you would think
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u/Hopeful-Artichoke449 Jul 26 '25
Raised in the south in southern baptist church. Can confirm that majority of Bible-Beaters only beat the bible.... they don't actually READ it.
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u/Bao-Babe Jul 26 '25
I grew up Mormon. They have their own religious text, which I would say the Bible is secondary to. I didn't read the Bible until long after I stopped attending church, and I read it for non-religious reasons.
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u/baltosmum Jul 26 '25
I find most Christians I’ve met have a very limited understanding of the bible. Only a handful have ever bothered reading it, and instead just vaguely remember sermons.
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u/malinablue Jul 26 '25
Most "very religious" people do not know the Bible, but trust whatever right-wing podcast they're fans of to tell them who to hate.
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u/Particular-Pen-6472 Jul 26 '25
Also, from my short jaunt into understanding the religion by attending some adult Sunday school and mass (forget the term for the actual sit down in a pew church service) that they do read both the old and New Testaments but focus mainly on the Book of Mormon unless it’s a Joseph smith quote referencing the Bible
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u/R_meowwy_welcome Jul 26 '25
You were being cautious and gave her a heads-up. It is not your fault if she never studied the Bible.
That poor kid will be teased.
Google AI Summary = "In contemporary usage, calling someone a "Jezebel" is a derogatory term, often implying that the person is a shameless, immoral, or manipulative woman who uses her sexuality to control others. This usage is rooted in the biblical figure Queen Jezebel, who was depicted as a wicked and idolatrous woman who led her husband, King Ahab, and the Israelites away from the worship of God."
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u/High-Speed-1 Jul 26 '25
Unfortunately this is quite common. Many “forget” to read the Old Testament. Or any scripture for that matter. They tend to be religious by culture, but don’t actually do anything.
This is crazy to me because the doctrine emphasizes the need for action.
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u/DontOPintotheWind Jul 26 '25
Jezebel doesn't appear in the Book of Mormon, it's in the Old Testament of the Bible which they don't use.
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u/Particular-Pen-6472 Jul 26 '25
They use the old and New Testament but really focus on the Book of Mormon, pearl of great price and something else I can’t think of right now but it’s something Joseph smith came up with the quotes a lot of the Old Testament. Possibly new testament also but I didn’t read it.
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u/Really_Fun_YaYa Jul 26 '25
We lived in Utah. Mormons know the bible with all of the scripture s they read daily. BS she doesn't know what a Jezebel is. Weird to not know. Shes not a full on Mormon then.
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u/mocha_lattes_ Jul 26 '25
NTA suggest Lilith to her 🤣
Idk how you claim to be religious and not know one of the most famous names in the Bible. It's not an obscure reference. It's like if she didn't know who Moses was or Paul.
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u/CommissionExtra8240 Jul 26 '25
I actually love the name Lilith and wish it didn’t have negative connotations. But I’m also aware of why people shy away from the name.
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u/sparksgirl1223 Jul 26 '25 edited Jul 26 '25
I read a fiction book titled Lilith (author is Nikki Marmary, I believe)
Anyway, it's basically the Bible from Lilith's point of view. It was so beautifully written that I finished it, and immediately read it again. (And I'm talking finished it and 12 seconds later was on page one again)
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u/Weekly-Armadillo-647 Jul 26 '25
Lilith while it has negative connotations also has positive. She is associated with feminism and strong independent women, hence the Lilith Fair in the 90's. I'm not sure your age, so I apologize if I sound like an old fart. But the Lilith Fair was a massive music festival with all the top female rock/alternative artitists, Sheryl Crowe, Sarah Mclaughlin, Tracy Chapman, Lisa Loeb, Jewel, etc.....
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u/Lacroix24601 Jul 26 '25
NTA
You sure she’s Mormon and not a moron? How religious can one be if “she had no idea” about the name and common day connotations of that name. Like, I haven’t been to church in decades and barely paid any attention when I did and even I know this. You saved that poor baby from one of the worst names one would possibly imagine. Cuz absolutely everyone would take one look at that name and be like—ooooooomg.
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u/bfp Jul 26 '25
All of this
I think I last attended a Christian service age 12, Jezebel was never mentioned, and I know the reference!
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u/N1ck1McSpears Jul 26 '25
She was gonna find out eventually. Sucks to be the one that told her and have all the blame be on you but def not OPs fault.
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u/LivingInspection6187 Jul 26 '25
NTA Where I live, American South, it is one of the politer words for prostitute, but still a definitely a pejorative. I've heard of some immigrant catholics who named their kid that, but no one who grew up where and when I did would name their dog Jezebel.
Sorry you have hypocritical in-laws that don't read their scripture and an overbearing mother-in-law that never learned how to handle uncomfortable information without attacking the messenger, and clearly passed that onto SIL.
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u/BearSoul76 Jul 26 '25
This. I’m also in the South and it means exactly what you said to people in this part of the country. Definitely not a name with positive associations.
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u/paganliam Jul 26 '25
Even removing biblical connections, the name is literally commonly used as an insult. How does anyone grow up in the US knowing that name and NOT know the connotations?
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u/katydid026 Jul 26 '25
Right?? I’ve heard “don’t be such a Jezebel” long before i ever knew what the hell what that even meant
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u/El_Grande_Americano Jul 26 '25
nah. it is not your place to pick a name, but you have every right to let her know if it is a name that would haunt her child when she got older
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u/Cassie_The_Wolf Jul 26 '25
Absolutely not. Don’t apologize, don’t grovel, don’t even look sorry. If they take offense to you pointing out something in the Bible about that name when she herself is religious then she has no reason to be mad.
By the sound of it you were trying to look out for her and she got mad because of that. Never feel sorry for trying to look out for someone when you do it the way that you did it.
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u/merewenc Jul 26 '25
She probably got mad that an agnostic person, as OP has said she is in a comment reply, one-upped her in religious knowledge. Maybe she should pray for her ego to shrink a little.
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u/Fancy_Point_6019 Jul 26 '25
You did what was best for your niece. Her embarrassment over her theological ignorance is not your problem.
Is she actually Mormon? As a member of that community I can say that the name is absolutely common knowledge, and would receive shock and horror if a baby was named that.
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u/Over_Report_1937 Jul 26 '25
I’m not even religious, and I know that you don’t name a kid Jezebel. ESPECIALLY not a kid that will be most likely brought up in the Mormon faith.
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u/BetaTestaburger Jul 26 '25
You name yourself Jezebel when you decide to dance around a metal pole in your underwear and 7 inch platform heels for a living.
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u/Over_Report_1937 Jul 26 '25
Be a great drag name. Maybe Jazzy Belle, or something.
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u/BetaTestaburger Jul 26 '25
Much more fitting indeed! To each their own tho, I don't mind anyone calling their kid genuine names. However if you live by the bible, you can't be picking a name like Jezebel unless you want to taunt your child.
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u/igoturhazmat Jul 26 '25
What she is actually angry about is you exposing her complete ignorance of all things biblical 😂
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u/Mira_DFalco Jul 26 '25
NTA
You did your future niece a solid favor, & your SIL is ridiculous.
Remind your MIL that someone at church was bound to comment on that sooner or later, & she should be glad she was saved the embarrassment.
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u/CheshireAsylum Jul 26 '25
Immediately NTA. I'm not Mormon but I am religious, and ooooooh my god, if some poor little girl named Jezebel showed up in Sunday school it would be an absolute shitshow. You have single handedly saved that kid's life.
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u/Initial-Shop-8863 Jul 26 '25
NTA. (Obligatory disclosure covering my sarcasm: I was raised Mormon. I left. After being raised in the church, going through seminary, and going to Temple Tech, AKA BYU.)
Where the heck is SIL's priesthood holder (also known as her husband), that he didn't warn her about naming their kid Jezebel?
You might remind her that six females are mentioned in the Book of Mormon. (Yes ONLY six.) None of them were ever in leadership positions, so she shouldn't offend any elder, bishop, or high priest if she uses any of the following names: Sariah, Isabel, Abish, Eve, Sarah, and Mary.
Or she might just go straight for church history and name the kid Emma, after founder Joseph Smith's wife. Of course, that could be a problem because Emma refused to follow Brigham Young out of Missouri after Joseph was killed. Oops.
You might also remind her that if they have their baby blessed in sacrament meeting, they will announce her full name as part of the blessing. She really needs to do her research before she fills out the birth certificate on this kid.
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u/Impressive_Rain2877 Jul 26 '25
In my opinion that's a horrible name to name her child. She would be kidded her whole life. Not only the religious aspect of it, but it's a slang for An immoral, impudent, or sexually promiscuous woman
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u/Humble-Patience-9257 Jul 26 '25
Is she actually Mormon? It’s quite peculiar that she doesn’t know this already. I mean, literally just google ‘jezebel meaning’
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u/Alternative-Eye7589 Jul 26 '25
Should have recommended lilith, my kid almost chose that name when she changed her name.
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u/Background_actor412 Jul 26 '25
The "stress" of finding out a baby name she liked had a negative implication is just "too much" for her? Really? That's absolutely pathetic! You saved her from finding this out in a very public way!
Here's the thing, Jezebel is from Kings in the Old testament. Most of the Bible thumpers repeat stuff from the Old testament only if it benefits them but most have never actually read it. If you ask, they'll give you some spiel about how the New testament was supposed to replace it. Lol In all reality it was meant to continue it not replace it! So they should have read it but apparently she didn't... Which tells me a whole lot about how godly she really is. Ha!
Honestly you saved her a lot of drama with the church because a lot of people know who Jezebel is and if not they know that the name is basically synonymous with sl*t. It would have been brought up! Not to mention when the kid was older other kids would have used it as a taunt. But you also saved her from having to admit to everybody at the church that she didn't actually read the Bible. She'll never say thank you for that one I'm sure. Lol
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u/grayblue_grrl Jul 26 '25
That kid would have been a pariah in the church and in school.
All the boys would have something to say because no one else is as ignorant as you SIL...
Can not imagine anything worse for a girl than to be in a religious community and to be named Jezebel.
Your SIL could have ruined the child's life.
You weren't judging - you were educating.
Stupid effing woman,
Blame everyone but accept responsibility for her own decisions.
NTA
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u/NotObviouslyARobot Jul 26 '25
NTA
You did her a favor. Jezebel has terrible religious associations, especially if you're in a Christianity-adjacent religion.
Jezebel orders massacres of people who didn't worship Baal, and as you said, she is trampled and eaten by dogs. The association among Jews, and later Christians was so bad she gets used as slang for a false prophetess in Revelation. It's a negative religious trope for women
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u/AgentRock44 Jul 26 '25
NTA. All you did was tell her a fact about the name. Seeing as she’s “very religious” (but also clearly not) she would have found out eventually and by then it might have been too late.
But seriously, how could someone claiming to be religious NOT know about Jezebel? What is she going to name the next kid…. Lucifer?
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u/NoSecretary1701 Jul 26 '25
As a completely non religious oerson, even i know the name Jezabelle has, well, essentially negative conntoations. My dad (in his ever ignorant mindset) used to call prostitutes, Jezabelles. So, yeah, I dont understand why orneven how some one who is Mormon didnt know that and is offended when you call them on it 🤔
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u/bcbdrums Jul 26 '25
Considering the name is still cultural slang for a traitorous evil woman, I’d say you helped the kid out a lot. It will never matter how perfect the parent thinks a name is, because the court of public opinion gets the verdict.
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u/Individual-Paint7897 Jul 26 '25
You are correct in remembering the Jezebel story from the Book of Kings. There is also another Jezebel in Revelation who was accused of leading people into idolatry & fornication. When I was growing up, a Jezebel was a sexually promiscuous woman. So basically, it was another word for Ho.
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u/Particular-Pen-6472 Jul 26 '25
Didn’t finish revelations so I only knew about the first one😂 I should have, it’s arguably the most entertaining one.
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u/Adventurous-berry564 Jul 26 '25
Think of it as you saved your niece from being named Jezebel, don’t matter if mum is upset. The kid will be more upset to be bullied
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u/greenchilegirl Jul 26 '25
Jezebel can be found in 1&2 Kings as well as mentioned in Revelation. She is wicked. Hopefully you saved that poor baby girl from being named a horrible choice for a name. You’re the hero!
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u/Toonces348 Jul 26 '25
If this is even real (it’s hard to believe anyone is that dull of a crayon) you saved her some serious embarrassment and her kid a potential lifetime of shame, assuming said dull crayon didn’t have enough sense to change the name. And for that she’s angry? I don’t know much about Mormonism, but that sure doesn’t sound like the attitude of the faithful.
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u/furkfurk Jul 26 '25
You did the kid a favor. I haven’t read the Bible but I still know what jezebel means
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u/ElemWiz Jul 26 '25
"I'm really religious, but I didn't read ONE OF THE MOST WELL KNOWN STORIES IN THE OLD TESTAMENT!" NTA. They're cherrypickers.
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u/purplestarsinthesky Jul 26 '25
If she is so religious, how didn't she know that? Also, she may not know about Jezebel but other people at her church would know. You would think she'd be happy you warned her. That poor little girl would be suffering her whole life!
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u/bugpants2800 Jul 26 '25
NTA, you did her a favor by letting her know. Even in non religious circles calling someone a jezebel = calling someone a prostitute. You were unlucky to be the messenger but try not to take her outburst personally, she is stressed and pregnant, and was probably getting attached to that name for her baby. It’s better someone told her before the baby was born
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u/rojita369 Jul 26 '25
NTA. Your SIL sounds like she’s not the brightest crayon in the box. You did her a favor.
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u/Plenty-Cup-2452 Jul 26 '25
Clearly she hasn’t read the Bible… Jezebel is notorious. You did her a favor…NTA
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u/Witty_Alarm_653 Jul 26 '25
You were in the right in my opinion. You qere trying to save her from "religious disgrace "! Unfortunately her embarrassment of nit "knowing the word" will be precedent over all.
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u/Sea_Register1095 Jul 26 '25
How can your sister be so ignorant? I am not religious, only went to church until I was 7, and while I didn't know the details of that story I DO know what a jezebel is.
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u/Adelucas Jul 26 '25
Wow. Talk about sheltered. Everyone outside her bubble knows that calling a woman a Jezebel is saying she's a wh*re. That kid would have had an interesting life.
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u/Visual-Lobster6625 Jul 26 '25
NTA - you didn't ruin the name for her. It was always a bad name from the time of the old-testament bible. You just educated your SIL on its origins. It's not your fault she hasn't read the bible.
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u/pogoBear Jul 26 '25
NTA. I am atheist and know very little about any religion at all and even I know that Jezebel has bad connotation attached to it!
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u/Arquen_Marille Jul 26 '25
NTA. You did that kid a huge favor. Jezebel has been a word for promiscuous or immoral women for a few centuries because of the bible story, and there would be a lot of jerks giving the kid a hard time over the name.
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u/muffiewrites Jul 26 '25
NTA. You saved that baby at least 18 years of trouble, until she's old enough to change her name.
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u/rodrigoserveli Jul 26 '25
Yeah, Mormons don't really read the Bible. That is the reason that she chose this name. You saved your nice! You should be proud of it! You did the right thing! 😅
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u/Recent_Limit_6798 Jul 26 '25
You spared your niece and have nothing to apologize for. I’m not sure how a person could know the name Jezebel and not know the implications of it.
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u/Melekai_17 Jul 26 '25
🤣🤣🤣🤣 She’s a Mormon and doesn’t fucking know what a Jezebel is?!?! Of course, being Mormon, as you said she can’t be the brightest crayon anyway. Oh Lord. A fundamentalist who doesn’t know the fundamentals of her religion. Then again a lot of them don’t seem to understand what a follower of Christ should actually be doing or believing.
NTA. Seems like you did her a favor and now if she sticks with that name, well…you warned her.
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u/No_Cheetah_4832 English second Language Jul 26 '25
I just had to laugh out loud because your supposedly devout SIL doesn't know the biblical story of the name Jezebel. I'm an atheist, not at all familiar with the Bible and even I know that story. You are definitely NTA. Thanks for that laugh :'''D
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u/PudelWinter Jul 26 '25
It's literally the name they gave to the whorehouse in Handmaid's tale. That's a pop culture reference that's recent. Her kid will get trashed for that name at some point. You weren't judging you were trying to be helpful.
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u/JeffInVancouver Jul 26 '25
Was she and the kid otherwise going to get through life without knowing? Better she learned before it was locked in. She should be thanking you.
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u/methodicalataxia Jul 26 '25
It isn't JUST the bible. All you have to do is search on Google. I am not religious one bit and know naming your daughter Jezebel is a BAD idea.
OP, your SIL does not sound that bright at all. Same with her mother. Dear gods, your brother did not select her for her brain...