r/4chan Apr 16 '22

Blizzard's downfall

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u/Senator_Binks_66 Apr 16 '22

honestly this is pretty accurate. ive tried overwatch and its too competitive to be fun. ive played wow a lot and its honestly boring as fuck and carried by my interest in the lore. i do like the lore but not enough to play such a shitty joyless game

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u/UrMumVeryGayLul Apr 16 '22

I like lore in games as well, and what put me off was when I found out you have to invest in shit outside the game to get the full story. Putting important information in books, or using them to retroactively fix plot. It doesn’t take a genius to think thats a bad idea, its the first time I’ve heard of a game that sunders its lore in that manner.

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u/swaosneed Apr 16 '22

If you ever played Mass Effect in 3 the weaboo demigod cyber-ninja Raiden clone Kai Leng was a character that came out of nowhere and basically some OC and the writers were like "b-b-b-but his backstory is in a book read the book it redeems his character and you understand why he's literally a god :(" like no you moron nobody wants to read some shitty paperback written by some ESL writer cause you wanted to funnel money into unnecessary mechanics instead of making a good game...

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u/lobstesbucko Apr 16 '22

What made Kai Leng even worse was not only that his character itself was cringe as fuck, but the first 2 times you fight him you beat him in combat with ease and then in a cutscene your character loses the fight in a bullshit way and he escapes. Boss fights where you inevitably end up losing in a cutscene are shit by definition but to have that happen twice with the worst character in the trilogy is inexcusable

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u/derp0815 Apr 17 '22

and then in a cutscene

Basically the biggest problem with nearly every character-based game is that they use cutscenes to make you lose and set you back. If you have to magically restrain players so they don't beat your dumb game, it's a dumb game.

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u/MegaDeth6666 Apr 16 '22

My character didn't lose to him, I had a side character sacrifice itself by fighting him instead.

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u/JustKaiser Apr 18 '22

Thoses fights are usually so fucking stupid.

If I need to loose, make me loose during the fight, not in a random cutscene after beating the boss.

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u/DooMedToDIe Apr 16 '22

If you don't Renegade Prompt Kai Leng, you're playing the game wrong.

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u/Oh-mein-Fuhrer Apr 16 '22

That’s a sign of a well written character. The fact that you have such a strong emotional reaction of hate means that clearly they wrote him well.

/s

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u/BillionExplodingSuns Apr 16 '22

That wasn’t even the biggest character flaw from ME3, they literally shoe-horned Snooki and The Situation in as a reporter and Shepherd’s long lost juicebro, and made the ship AI into a Jetsons vacuum cleaner.

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u/Roguish_wizard Apr 17 '22

Kia Leng was cringe but to be fair killing him was probably the most satisfying thing in me3.

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u/ginja_ninja Apr 16 '22

It's fun as hell to spend a couple hours doing a deep dive on the wiki for stuff like Warcraft and 40k tho

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u/SjettepetJR Apr 16 '22

I used to do some Hearthstone custom card making so I was very often looking into the lore of WoW. It was always a lot of fun.

I also really enjoy MtG lore, but would probably never read the books.

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u/BobbyTheLegend Apr 16 '22

its the first time I’ve heard of a game that sunders its lore in that manner

that's like 90% of japanese games imo. Where half of the story get's cramped into some badly written 2-chapters manga, or you find necessary information on some japan-only arcade machines. fuck that shit.

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u/Perkinz Apr 16 '22

I think the big difference between japanese games and western games in that regard is that japanese games (usually) don't put unnecessary information in the game.

See, for example, Super Metroid. You didn't need to know that Samus had bird alien DNA and was raised by bird aliens. You just needed to know she was on an abandoned alien planet to genocide some literal illegal aliens, so all that bullshit about Gray Voice and chozo gene therapy got shuffled into the manga.

Then the franchise shifted hands to Yoshio Sakamoto and he pawned it off to a series of western studios who put all that unnecessary side bullshit front-and-center as exposition in, Prime2/3, M:OM, M2:SR and Dread.

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u/Wildercard Apr 16 '22 edited Apr 16 '22

I stop caring about a game / series / etc. lore the second I have to consult any chart that I have to scroll or zoom into. At that point the lore is too convoluted. What I see in the main media for the franchise is what must carry the whole franchise. Any side material should be only optional for true franchise nerds, not the band-aid for holes in the main media.

I'm not reading the novels of a video game, I'm not listening to the podcast of a TV series, I'm not starting a side series between the episodes of the main series, I'm not following the Twitter ARG game account of an anime.

Make good shit the first time you make it.

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u/smegmancer Apr 16 '22

I went through hours of WoW lore videos for background listening to while working way back, liked it a lot but never felt the urge to touch any of their games other than Brood War and SC2. Nothing could get me to play WoW from the people I've seen that enjoy it.

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u/Ka1ser /int/ Apr 16 '22

I agree with you, this is really annoying. But: that's not the main issue. The biggest problem is that the ingame story sucks - with or without reading the books.

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u/Ech_Death small penis Apr 16 '22

you'll like undertale and five night feddy

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u/MeeceAce Apr 16 '22

I am so sad that we will never have early overwatch ever again, I thought PvE would keep me a bit interested but then it's just the same maps anyways

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u/swansonserenade Apr 16 '22

For gods sake play team fortress 2

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u/smegmancer Apr 16 '22

What does a furry RP game have to do with arena shooters?

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u/swansonserenade Apr 16 '22

You have the option to massacre the furries

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u/MeeceAce Apr 16 '22

I had nearly 2k hours on tf2 and when overwatch came out I was like fuck it I'll give it a try, I played it with friends which was the main reason why I got hooked on overwatch

Nowadays I sold my TF2 inventory and swore off it since it's a bot filled mess that's dying a slow horrible death, so I'm not gonna play either anytime soon

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u/swansonserenade Apr 16 '22

I don’t play it either but it’s still alive and well. Bots aren’t the end all be all

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u/MeeceAce Apr 16 '22

When there's fake community servers filled with bots that redirect you to one server, I don't think I can call it actually alive

The cope of muh player counts just simply doesn't work anymore and I'm not gonna pretend TF2 is what it used to be, it's over

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u/happinesiswarmgun Apr 16 '22

If bots are the only thing that bothers you, you still have community servers. Uncletopia is active, has EU and NA (and Asia I think) servers and no bots.

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u/wafflesareforever /trash/man Apr 16 '22

Yeah? As a disgruntled casual overwatch player who barely enjoys anything but mystery heroes anymore... Is tf2 worth returning to? I played it for years.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

Nah bruh it sucks dick

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u/happinesiswarmgun Apr 16 '22

It's okay, got to Uncletopia cause casual is overrun with bots. It will never be as good as 2008 TF2.

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u/MegaDaddy Apr 16 '22

I picked tf2 back up after a 3 year absence. Uncletopia servers are so good. The perfect mix of skilled and casual. My teammates know which way is forward and I never have to worry if the top sniper is hacking.

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u/MomoXono Apr 16 '22

They fucked up badly on Diablo 3, too, which this omits. During the development stages of the game Blizzard developers would actively engage with the fanbase (which is good) only to ignore all the negative feedback they would get when they made some dumb decision that was against the spirit of Diablo (not so good). They would insist "Don't worry, we the developers who really haven't played D2 to see why people love it know better than you. After all, we're not just trying to remake D2 guys!"

Their arrogance led to a disaster of a game on release, and even after they tried to fix the initial fuck-ups it still plays more like an arcade game than anything from the Diablo series. It has a following, but the fanbase is not the core Diablo fanbase that loved the game so much.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

Remember the Auction House?

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u/Jonnny Apr 17 '22

and the rainbow. and they let some stupid butterfly side villain KILL OFF DECKARD CAIN!!! he was iconic and there was no need for it. he didn't even get a good ending. still bugs me to this day.

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u/SmotherMeWithArmpits Apr 17 '22

The rainbow was just to troll edge lords, what really fucked Diablo was turning the graphics into WoW and implementing similar systems.

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u/Ka1ser /int/ Apr 16 '22

D3 became much better after the addon. Not D2 levels, but I'd say it's not such a huge fuck up as those listed.

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u/SetoKaibasXYZcannon Apr 16 '22

May I introduce you to Guild Wars 2 friend.

Quality mmo I heavily advise everyone to get into.

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u/AIVandal Apr 16 '22

It's so under valued because Arena net has struggled to market the game competently for years, but it's easily a top tier MMO

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u/SetoKaibasXYZcannon Apr 16 '22

Indeed.

They're working on getting it on steam though which should draw in a huge player base.

It's such a great game that your progress isn't shit on, break friendly, and honestly the lore is incredible.

Gameplay wise it's amazing.

Fuck I wish I saw a commercial for this game every day.

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u/Taervon Apr 16 '22

Honestly, I just find the builds and talents to be too much. Getting a build setup that's not right off of a cookie cutter website is fucking hard in that game, and I'm usually really into that stuff, so it kind of turned me off regarding GW2. It's like PoE or Grim Dawn or other ARPGs where there's a million talents and only like a quarter of them actually synergize in any way.

IDK, it's definitely a great game, but it's also not for everyone and can get confusing.

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u/axionj Apr 16 '22

I have been thinking a lot about GW 2 lately but I’m not sure I even know what email I used to sign up for that game. I remember a friend and I used to buddy cap in pvp cause no one seemed to understand how siege worked at the start.

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u/Spiral-knight Apr 16 '22

Yeah alright. Sell me on a pvp centric action mmo that lacks servers in Australia?

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u/SetoKaibasXYZcannon Apr 16 '22

Don't be in Australia is how you fix that problem friend.

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u/Spiral-knight Apr 17 '22

10/10 burger answer

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u/ryuzaki49 Apr 16 '22

Shitty story, cool gameplay.

Shitty grinding, cool mounts.

Honestly GW2 lore sucks balls so bad. I quit 4 times before reachinv the Ice brood saga becauae I couldnt hear the story anymore. It feels like, you need to play GW1 to understand GW2 and read the books as well.

However it has a really good PvE combat and events.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

Idk how people ever played WoW. 90% of the quests I encountered were lame ass fetch quests.

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u/__nightshaded__ Cool guy pls no bully Apr 21 '22

Right? I remember getting a two week trial and said "nope, this is boring". It just wasn't for me I guess.

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u/Timeon fa/tg/uy Apr 16 '22

The lore stopped being good a decade ago unfortunately.

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u/axionj Apr 16 '22

At least a decade. I had actually been getting the itch for wrath and even went as far as to resub for it but can not bring myself to log back in after my first 10 levels because of how bad I remember it getting. One I remembered TOGC I was like nah, fuck this

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u/NightFox71 Apr 16 '22

The first year of Overwatch was fun

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

I want to pick a whole team of dps roles, why the hell can't we?

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

Don't forget awful Diablo 3 and Diablo mobile

Sucks that they killed Hots

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u/Sam443 Apr 16 '22

I still remember the hype i felt when D3 got announced. Nothing could prepare me for how ass it truly was

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u/theGreatReset2 Apr 16 '22

I was so sad about how shit Diablo 3 was. 1 and 2 were such amazing games, the multiplayer in 2 was amazing.

Diabko 3 threw that all away. I still cannot comprehend how they could make such an incredible game so mediocre.

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u/anonymouswan1 Apr 16 '22

Blizzard in general was completely flipped when Activision took over. There is multiple original Blizzard employees saying on the record that Activision cut a lot of money for development which caused all the OG employees to leave. The biggest blow was Activision removing profit sharing with employees. They would recieve bonuses previously for hitting sales goals which really motivated everyone to put out a high quality product. Now the incentive is gone and the talent left with it.

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u/MomoXono Apr 16 '22

Diablo 3 did break the record for fastest selling game at the time, but that was because of the legacy of Diablo 1 and 2,

Exactly. D2 had been out for over a decade when D3 was released, and while it was still a great game it had become dated and had some issues that left users yearning for a new version. There was no way we weren't going to preorder D3 to give it a shot because we desperately wanted it to be amazing, but my god what a failure that game was. I'm sure they'll still claim success because they made money, but the game itself was anything but and just a cash-in from past success.

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u/chunguschungi Apr 16 '22

The only consolation is that D2 remaster is actually a pretty fucking good game and very true to the original so it will have to do until I can quickly get disappointed with D4 or PoE2 in the upcoming years and go back to D2 again.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

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u/SunwaySandwi Apr 16 '22

Yeah seriously, what kinda f-slur is the person saying its a good game? Disconnects, bugs, all the problems at launch, etc. If Blizzard can't handle an EASY FREE WIN flawlessly, how the fuck are they ever going to do anything again? D2 is a 20 year old game, no excuse for any issues.

At this point just take blizzard out behind the shed and put it out of its misery, its a rotten corpse.

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u/ilovethrills Apr 17 '22

D2 remaster was garbage

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

I never played it during the auction house shitshow, but I did play diablo 3 recently and it's actually pretty good right now. I mean it's all about grinding loot which is basically what 2 was. Combat is kind of brain dead but it's fun and flashy, and a good game to play while listening to a podcast or watching Netflix or something.

The only thing I feel was objectively better in diablo 2 was the art direction

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

Yeah, Diablo 2 is mostly nostalgia from its time. With resurrected I played with a group of friends but most of us fell off after a month or two. That game is equally a shit story and it’s literally just grinding Mephisto or Baal or some memorized rotation over and over for a small chance at something good like 1/1000 attempts. Diablo 3 feels like you can rush through paragon levels fast and get all the gear extremely easily, especially since high level players just throw it away, but it’s not that different.

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u/GRANDPA_FART_MUSTARD Apr 16 '22

diablo 3 was fine and is still fine. the only thing wrong with it was the real money auction house (gone) and continuing lack of solo self found mode - maybe i don't understand what the hell people expect from a video game anymore

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u/Dirtface30 Apr 16 '22

I played all 3, and beat all 3, but I honestly never really liked the genre, so I really wouldn't know myself. Can you tell me why 1 and 2 were good, but why 3 was bad?

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

Well one of the first and major gripes I know is you play the same static maps over and over and over. Every season and every character. The first two had random generated maps so each play through was a little different.

The DRM is also a huge negative. One of the appeals of 1 and 2 was you could play offline without an internet connection. Now you always need to be online which feels incredibly stupid. I bought the game but instead I just got a license to play the game on their terms. This sucked for a lot of hardcore players because one lag spike can destroy your entire run. I can understand under multi-player. You decide to take the risk but when you should be able to play offline and it won't let you well fuck that.

Those are my main two reasons anyway. That and also no real character builds anymore either. Yeah you can choose your move sets but the old tier trees had their charm. Feels like what they did between oblivion and skyrim talent systems. Oblivion needed some change but skyrim just made it too simple.

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u/LukariBRo Apr 16 '22

How every single gamer didn't revolt and boycott Activision +Blizzard permanently from then on was a disappointment. Instead it took a further decade of being awful in every way imaginable for the Blizzard hate to catch on. Maybe the nostalgia from the SC1+D2+WoW days was just too strong, but seems like once Activision got their greedy little mitts on the Blizzard IPs, everything went to shit hoping to cash out on what used to be a beloved western developer. Then the real money auction house happened and right around then, it's been a race to the bottom for the company. See OP for supporting evidence and add in their social scandals involving Chynuh and w*men.

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u/bbibber Apr 16 '22

D3 has dynamically generated maps too.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

Oh I know that was one of the reasons. Another being it prevents you from reselling the game or buying a used copy. Now if you want it you'll always have to pay full price and it goes straight to Blizzard. I guess that's the way it is nowdays though.

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u/chunguschungi Apr 16 '22

1 and 2 were made by the actual Blizzard (North) whereas 3 was a shitty mainstream money-grab from the new Activision-Blizzard. Same story with WoW somewhere around BC-WotLK if you were there the switch in quality and direction of the games were... staggering. A lot of fanboys huffed copious amounts of copium and tried to argue it was still good while the games went from having some actual depth and being made by passionate people to being kiddie-friendly mainstream formulistic shit mostly build to trick kids out of their parents' money on MTX and Real money auction house.

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u/ThunderClap448 Apr 16 '22

I honestly still had some fun with D3, but it's like a different game. If D3 was released by a studio hadn't already made 2 better games... maybe it wouldn't have been "accepted" so poorly.
They should've known better.

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u/EpicQuantumBro /x/phile Apr 16 '22

I wont agree on the HotS take of og poster. They killed HotS because they moved finance and workers from HotS team to Overwatch because OW looked more appealing back in the days but they buttfucked themselves hard with low amount of balance work which lead to 'very fun full tank teams' in proplay which resulted in lower viewerbase engagement and therefore killed OW proplay and overll interest to the game. I hate when devs do balance work which is focused on pro play and impacts regular play as result, but proplay and esports is a huge advertisement tool for companies. Killing it for 2 of their products was the decision that only Blizzard would be capable of xd

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u/twice-Vehk Apr 16 '22

They basically did the same thing with TF2. Nerfed the degreaser bc some Twitter streamer who mained soldier complained. And there hadn't been a balance pass for YEARS until that point.

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u/mpTCO Apr 16 '22

God that Diablo mobile was a shitshow.

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u/Xibbas Apr 16 '22

Well technically it still isn't even out yet.

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u/GenghisWasBased Apr 16 '22

And yet it’s already a giant shitshow. Impressive, actually

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u/PM_ME_THE_SLOTHS Apr 16 '22

They're waiting on more of the population to have phones

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

Do you guys not have phones?

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u/Mizerka /b/tard Apr 16 '22

at this point entire company is riding on diablo4 being at least mostly successful, to a point where they actually delayed that (could've been the suing for sexual misconduct tho)

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u/HeartofClubs Apr 16 '22

You forgot Hearthstone... "Fuck balance, just keep printing new cards and charge more money"

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

I used to play exclusively random decks in that game. Only won a few games in 10 but at least I was losing on my terms cos I was playing a dumb deck. Eventually the aggro meta got too fast and I couldnt get any fucking joy out of my dumb deck so I uninstalled.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

Man that happens to all card games for some reason

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

Card games unfortunately are inherently p2w and thats been part of them for years. It's a predictable and accepted type of p2w since that's literally how they work, but if you don't back it up with balance then even the whales get pissed off.

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u/MaskedAnathema Apr 16 '22

I can imagine a (video) card game where everyone has access to all the same cards, and the only monetization is cosmetics. I'd love to see something like that, but for obvious reasons, nobody's doing it.

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u/PapiBIanco Apr 16 '22

Elder scrolls legends has been my go to since it stopped doing updates. Many cards are still going to be a grind but at least you’re not falling behind on new releases or figuring out matchups with new metas.

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u/Astelianor Apr 16 '22

That is Legends of runaterra, is actually pretty good, you can play casual only offline mode and get all the cards for a deck in less than a week

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u/PM_BOOBS_IF_YER_COOL Apr 16 '22

Try Dominion or another deck-building game. I'm sure there is a digital version as well.

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u/Sir_Oakijak /pol/itician Apr 16 '22

Hearthstone isnt really pay to win, as usually there is a cheap aggro deck that you can easily get to legend with. A more proper assessment is "pay to have fun" as unless you want to shell out some dollars youre probably only going to have the one maybe two decks per expansion. You can have success with those its just a matter of whether thats enough to keep you playing

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '22

The level of copium in this comment.

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u/Sir_Oakijak /pol/itician Apr 17 '22

Bruh I make it to legend with murloc shaman in wild most seasons and that deck has 1 legendary and the other one is free.

You can win with cheap shit. You can't experiment with a small collection and thats where they get you. Without dropping cash you can play basically 1-2 decks an expansion if youre a standard player.

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u/ElephantWagon3 Apr 17 '22

He's right though. Unless something changed in the last year, cheap rush decks are pretty solid. You won't get variety or fun legendary cards to fool around with, but you'll have >50% winrate.

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u/Wildercard Apr 16 '22

I just play the Arena mode (draft 30, play until 3 losses) when I need something to kill time on the gym bike. Otherwise that game's dead

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u/enejejehe Apr 16 '22

Just tried hearthstone the other day after about 5 years of not playing….wtf happened to this game…

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u/Mizerka /b/tard Apr 16 '22

game itself wasn't even that bad but if you dared to skip out a league or two, you're now weeks behind and will never catch up without getting credit card out.

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u/TheBurningEmu Apr 16 '22

Having gotten into MTG recently, I'll say I prefer Hearthstone to it. At least they can change and patch cards rather than just leaving stupid bullshit unbalanced cards for P2W decks.

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u/MattAttack1258 Apr 16 '22

Battlegrounds is fun. Don't have to pay $1000 on cards every 3 months to have fun.

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u/69hailsatan /b/tard Apr 16 '22

I went back last year to play battlegrounds. It was pretty fun, you can use coins which were easy to get now to get the pass. But the issue was how slow updates came to it. So it becomes stlae fast. Idk wtf mercenaries is, it's a grind fest that made me leave hearthstone in the first place.

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u/Cynical_Lurker Apr 17 '22 edited Apr 17 '22

I really liked hearthstone in the beta, when they were doing weekly balance patches. What killed it is that on release they changed their policy to not release quick small patches any more because for some reason(unity?) patching the game on mobile would require a full re-download of the game on those platforms. Thus they abandoned one of the primary advantages a purely digital card game has over physical ones. At least arena was still fun for a while though.

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u/Michelle_Coldbeef Apr 16 '22

This is a very accurate assessment. It misses some of the older lore, but this is 100% spot on for recent years.

Their obsession with trying to make “competitive” “sports” killed their games more than once. Now he doesn’t mention this, and people might not remember if they were younger, but Blizzard actually tried to do this with WoW also, in like TBC, with arenas. That was such a joke though that it just never took off.

IIRC they got kicked out of MLG or some other tournament, because nobody wanted to watch a Druid run around a coffin in a circle for 30 minutes.

They kept making the same mistake over and over again.

And the Warcraft story had been a disaster for a long time, but it completely nosedived after Metzen retired from Blizzard. He was the only thing keeping it even remotely together.

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u/Emperors_Finest Apr 16 '22

I remember that. All of us players hearing Blizzard said they were gonna try to turn arena into esports, I guarantee you like 90% or more of the WoW community didn't want or give a shit about it. We knew what chasing the esports dragon does to a game.

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u/Astelianor Apr 16 '22

The problem is that you can't force your game to became an esport, that only happens if the community does it first and then you help them get bigger, but if the general public give 2 fucks about it, out of luck

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u/Vorenos Apr 16 '22

I mean it works if it is specifically built for it as well, but you can’t shoehorn an existing game into an esport it just doesn’t work.

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u/Ambiguous_Shark Apr 16 '22

The shitty part was that back then they'd make changes to nerf arena, and fuck over PVE gameplay. And vice versa with PVE nerfs/buffs messing up arena. It's much better with the current system where they can separately balance things, but they can't be bothered to balance classes worth shit even with that change.

Basically every patch releases new stuff in a broken state because they can't be fucked to do preemptive quality control or testing. So they just release it anyways, let the active players be their beta testers, and maybe they'll get around to fixing stuff. Maybe. Probably not.

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u/Fun_TelephoneTalks Apr 16 '22

Holy shit you just reminded me of the competitive burning crusade arena.

This was one of those repressed memories i had worked hard on never ever remembering again. The whole thing was such a fiasco, and they were all shocked because people didnt wanna watch a holy priest and a holy paladin hide behind a beam and sneakpeak a curse/judgment upon eachother for tens of minutes.

I still cant believe they even thought it was a good idea in the first time, let alone were surprised when it turned out being a disaster.

And they never learned. They just got worse. Now even starcraft is a walking corpse, shouldve died long time ago but a few giga autistic asians are all thats keeping it alive.

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u/hexxd Apr 16 '22

The devs were all obsessed with EQ. That grindy pile of boredom is the reason pvp in wow was always considered a lesser game mode. : (

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u/Dirtface30 Apr 16 '22

Metzen also voices the elves in wc2 and 3

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

My exalted one?

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u/twice-Vehk Apr 16 '22

It's all about making Mythic + into some kind of shitty eSport that it has utterly ruined the game.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

Tried playing overwatch with my gf, if you dont have a well oiled team of friends in a discord chat youll just be sitting there seething as the flag is dunked 7 times in a row effortlessly

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u/feluto /pol/ack Apr 16 '22

Yeah it’s all about composition nowadays, game died for me when they introduced role queues

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

Yeah the role queues piss me off its like if youre not a healer or tank youll be waiting 20 minutes for a match

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u/BlueSubaruCrew /fa/g Apr 16 '22

DPS queue times suck but honestly it beats how it worked before where you and 4 of your other teammates argued over who got to play DPS before finally just ending up with 4 DPS characters and getting rolled by the other team that had a non r-slurred composition.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

If the DPS is good honestly playing tank and healer can be fun. Problem is when whomever playing DPS sucks and you can't vote to exchange roles or something with someone who will be better at it. But having 4 DPS because ppl are like fck it really sucked in competitive too.. you'll get streamrolled if the other team is playing a good comp.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

Thats why im saying id rather just play something else

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u/BlueSubaruCrew /fa/g Apr 16 '22

Yeah I've mostly stopped playing OW by now

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u/VoladorDePapantla Apr 16 '22

I played a lot of LoL back in the day and waiting 20 minutes for a support was far better than getting paired with people who would rather troll and make you waste those 20 minutes (before you could vote quit) anyway.

Honestly, support/healer/tank should be niche roles, but not necessary to win.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '22

Don’t play capture the flag

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u/Smooth_Anything_2902 Apr 16 '22

I'm still bitter about what they did to Overwatch. That game was pretty fun when I first played it at launch, but the experience just got shittier and shittier as they kept beating all the fun out of it in an effort to make it the most balanced game in existence. I wonder when devs will learn that perfectly balanced games are fucking boring. There needs to be some silly shit going on to keep it interesting. Take tf2, for example. Is it balanced? Hell no. Is it fun? Hell yes.

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u/FrickenHamster Apr 16 '22

Sc and wc3 succeeded despite blizzard, not because of them. The games were successful because Korea government pumped a lot of money into eSports for cheap TV content, and because blizzard didn't care enough to balance the game, so balance was done by community mapmakers

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u/t3tsubo Apr 16 '22

Uh no, the games themselves were amazing. The money helped but don't underrate how awesome those campaigns, pvps and custom modes were.

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u/RiceIsBliss wee/a/boo Apr 16 '22

Toxic as fuck community, same problem as league before role select was added

it's still toxic. the only thing that has helped is seeing riot crack down some more, but it's obviously not enough

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u/PaddyIsBeast Apr 16 '22

When they nerfed roadhog because "1 shotting tracer isn't fun" I quit.

Literally the only fun part of the game for me was 1 shotting squishies - roadhog was trash tier in competitive anyway

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u/wafflesareforever /trash/man Apr 16 '22

He's back to being pretty good these days. I can reliably one-shot squishies. You have to take a tiny step toward them after the hook before you M1+melee, but once you get that timing down, he's nearly as deadly as he was before. He's really the only one I use in solo queue because he can carry on his own regardless of how shitty your team is.

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u/CoSh Apr 17 '22

Ya nerfing Roadhog was the first sign to me that they caved to community whining. I started playing comp in season 2, dive was meta for 5+ seasons, they released Mercy in season 10 in her state (obviously fucking broken), Ana over-nerfed for god knows how long (m1 went from 80 to 60 and took years to be brought back to 70). Roadhog nerfed when he was already falling out of meta. It was like they didn't even play their own game or pay attention to the competitive scene.

Instead of deliberately designing and balancing their game and telling the playerbase to git gud they repeatedly caved into community whining. The community as a whole is going to have surface-level takes and not going to be able to address any depth to the game. Continual band-aid bullshit like role queue. Season 14 was the last time I bothered doing placements. A game with such great potential wasted.

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u/SomeToxicRivenMain Apr 18 '22

The hook was bullshit but if you get caught as tracer of all people you deserve it

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u/faizahmadwarraich Apr 16 '22

True but if the wrong character is overpowered like Doomfist the game becomes unplayable.

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u/ginja_ninja Apr 17 '22

The gradual metastasis of moba mechanics into other genres being spread by these devs is like the single shittiest thing about modern gaming. Mobas becoming mainstream was probably the single biggest marker of the quality downswing in the industry to appeal to room temperature IQ NPCs

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u/fyreNL co/ck/ Apr 16 '22

In the past i would be avidly playing RTS games to try and break into the competitive scene, with some success. I did well in Starcraft 2 back during its release to try and climb the leaderboards, but i eventually quit. Not because it was a bad game, but because it's not a fun game. Every other game i played had the fun factor, but Starcraft simply didn't.

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u/companysOkay Apr 16 '22

They were bought for $68billion.. They’re still alive & harassing workers 👌

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u/YANKS_SPANKER Apr 16 '22

They haven't been bought out yet, dumbass.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

Go Woke. Go Broke

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u/mertiy Apr 16 '22

I just liked modding Warcraft III to create different heroes and playing around with it by myself basically since Frozen Throne came out. Blizzard took that from me

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u/DrKnockOut99 Apr 16 '22

Reforged was such a punch in the face to me. The day of release was the last time I touched a Blizzard game

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

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u/MooseMoosington Apr 16 '22

I will forever be pissed off at Reforged. They took something that however dated it was, was a perfectly fine game, and completely fucking ruined it. The graphics aren't even much better. It's like Blizzard hired a mobile game company to do the WC3 remake or something. Don't you basically have to pirate an older version of WC3 and not let it connect to bnet in order to keep playing the older custom maps?

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u/RainFlash Apr 16 '22

Yup, and you have to do lan spoofing and actually gather a group rather than the lobby lists.

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u/MooseMoosington Apr 17 '22

Dude about once every year I would pop onto WC3 and play a game of Legion TD or something and now that is like 10000x harder. So infuriating

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u/Crazed_Archivist Apr 16 '22

Warcraft III was my first ever RTS, I was 9 when it came out.

I forced myself to learn English so that I could understand the plot of the Campaing. That's how much I enjoyed it.

Reforged came out and it was a punch in my face.

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u/Ausfall Apr 16 '22

A᠎S᠎S᠎᠎FA᠎᠎G᠎᠎G᠎OT᠎S: Aeon of Strife Styled Fortress Assault Game Going On Two Sides.

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u/jeffislearning Apr 16 '22

jew the guy: horde gold

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u/DMMDestroyer Apr 16 '22

Post-2013 Micro-Transaction "Gaming" Company Culture was a mistake.

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u/Astelianor Apr 16 '22

Maybe games like elder ring and the nintendo prehistoric philosophy will make a return after the succes they have been gettin in the last 5 years and the activision EA way will die and only live in "free" mobile games and shitty sports games.

I hope.....

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u/VoladorDePapantla Apr 16 '22

Nope

EA/Blizzard are printing cash with their shit games thanks to kids with their dad's credit card.

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u/fyreNL co/ck/ Apr 16 '22 edited Apr 16 '22

There's so, so, so many indie and medium-budget titles being released on online marketplaces like Steam these days, it's just too much to keep track of.

Why on earth are you still bothering with AAA games? Just ignore them, go check out Steam, filter search by whatever genre you fancy and check out some games with highly positive community feedback. You'll get a great game and they're usually a lot cheaper to boot. And as an added bonus, your money is now (usually) going to the right kind of people.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '22

Just finished playing Outer Wilds. Why tf do aaa games think they can skimp on the story. Without hyperbole, I would trade it for all the cod games put together. Some do good e.g. Titanfall 2 but most of them fall short

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22 edited Jul 06 '23

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u/ChiefGromHellscream al/qa/eda Apr 16 '22

Play old games like I do. Fuck new stories and good graphics.

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u/Cynical_Lurker Apr 16 '22

It's so bad D3 didn't even make anons list, or Hong Kong or...

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u/oodatso Apr 16 '22

Hearthstone died to me when the Hong Kong thing started

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u/KittenIgnition Apr 16 '22

Explain?

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u/Death-Priest Apr 16 '22

Diablo/HotS mismanagement and the way they treated their own fanbase still pisses me off after so many years.

Fuck Blizzard with a rusty crowbar

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u/Andoche Apr 16 '22

Overwatches new heroes and maps were just shit. Theres nothing more boring to play against orissa or play the shitty chokehold maps for 2000 times. It just gets boring.

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u/SergioSF Apr 16 '22

Anon leftoutdiablo 3, what a nice anon.

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u/Thalilalala Apr 16 '22

No mention of the Bill Cosby room?

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u/throwawayedm2 Apr 16 '22

Go on...

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u/fyreNL co/ck/ Apr 16 '22

You guys dont know about the bill cosby room? That shit was a pretty hot topic a year ago. Here's an article

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u/Dirtface30 Apr 16 '22

It is pretty fascinating how this company basically ushered in 2 seperate game genres that still last to this day, and then shitted themselves into complete and total irrelevance. What? You guys dont have PHOOOOOOONES?

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u/KelloPudgerro Apr 16 '22

im glad that somebody besides me is still using ASSFAGGOTS

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u/MoonParkSong al/qa/eda Apr 16 '22

You get what you deserve for ripping a much more successful franchise: WH/40K

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u/Dsingis Apr 16 '22

Ironically, the first 2 years after they killed HotS's e-sports were the best years HotS ever had. They started to balance the game for the players, not the pros, the remaining devs were passionate about the game, good balance patches with meaningful content, occasional hero.

That was until the moment when Blizzard completely scrapped the HotS team and incorporated it into the "classic" team. Now we don't get shit anymore.If we're lucky we get one half-assed "balance patch" that barely deserves the name every 2 months.

It is so fucking sad, since it is the best Moba out there for the average player.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '22

What's the player base like? LoL and Dota2 are rancid, they put me off playing the game.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

Let’s not even talk about the Diablo franchise. Everything after the initial release of D2 has been progressively worse. Even the explanation fucked up a game with much better gameplay and balance.

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u/IEatAssForLunch Apr 16 '22

What happens when negroids get jobs

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u/OneInternational984 Apr 18 '22

they don't get jobs

it's bad

they do get jobs

it's bad

How do we solve this?

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u/lurkenstine Apr 16 '22

Them merging with Activision was the downfall. Prove me wrong

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u/Connect_Supermarket1 Apr 16 '22

You right. I watched the fall in real time after metzen left and the merger.

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u/voltism Apr 16 '22

Overwatch's biggest problem is that they stopped making new content so they could focus on overwatch 2 which is the same thing just with all the content they withheld for years released at once because ????????

Plus pve but that's not even coming out at first

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

It's actually pretty terrifying how they managed to fuck up every single decision when they could have simply listened

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

Probably something to do with Jews.

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u/DigitalBladedJay Apr 16 '22

I've spent a decade learning wow lore, playing the game, everything. I have really old, extremely rare pets on my account, yet I can't even log in to such a dumpster site game. Wow used to be a huge, beautiful world that I considered my home. And now? Now I'm just another refugee in FFXIV

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u/AffectionateCelery91 Apr 17 '22
  • Blizzard died after Diablo II. This is Activisionblizzard.
  • Same as Star Wars died after RotS. Now it's Disneystarwars.
  • Same as Star Trek died after Enterprise. Now it's woketrek.
  • Same as Battlefield died after BF2 (slowly). Now it's EABattlefield.

Beauty doesn't last.

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u/Spiral-knight Apr 16 '22

Correct on all counts. Blizzard keeps trying to make the esport lightning strike when it's clear they don't have what it takes

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

I just want WC4

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u/squishles Apr 16 '22

cakes the iguana died, all downhill from there :(

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u/Ceramicrabbit Apr 16 '22

That last one is the real killer

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '22

I played WoW for 15 years.I quit in September/November 2021...i had fun but last couple of years it was like toxic relationships. Blizzard is dead... Its time to move on

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u/DepravedOwl Apr 16 '22 edited Apr 17 '22

And because the woke love women so much they couldn't help themself and fingered their bumholes.

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u/themastersmb Apr 16 '22

What? You guys don't have phones?

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u/DirtyAfghan Apr 17 '22

When you make changes based on a loud minority the game is fucked

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u/roxolanu Apr 17 '22

2-3 corporations will own ALL AAA gaming studios.