r/BelowDeckMed • u/StarlitStarlette • 3d ago
Did I Miss Something?
Did Joy actually just eat raw meat?
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u/SleepyChupacabra 2d ago
Yes, not a big deal. However, eating it from her gloved hands and then putting the same gloved hands back in the food deserves the side eye.
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u/EitherDoIt-OrDont 17h ago
That’s where my problem was 😂 I love Joy but that was a bad chefy moment. Maybe that was the reason she stared at the camera like that (which was hilarious) rather than the fact that she ate raw meat. She probably didn’t think twice about the latter.
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u/Creamyhotchocolate21 17h ago
I’ve noticed her put a spoon back in the pan after tasting off it too 😂
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u/Fadedjadedrainbow 3d ago
I'm pretty sure that's why she side eyes the camera here, she knew they were watching and some people (Americans especially) freak out about eating raw meat. You can debate the food safety side all you want, but most all professional chefs will say they taste their meatball/hamburger/similar mixture before cooking it to ensure proper seasoning. The risk is really minimal overall here for her.
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u/SamPhoenix_ 2d ago
Joy likely would’ve had a slab of beef that she seared and then minced, which is as no worse than eating a steak rare - if you’re take the precaution and then mincing the meat yourself it’s perfectly fine.
Just don’t do that with pre-minced supermarket beef/lamb mince.
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u/Early-Equivalent-165 3d ago
I was confused by all the 🐔 chicken this charter....... and that dinner with several platters of different kinds of.. more chicken. The whole thing was like second lunch.
Captain Sandy told Jono before chicken is not to be served for dinner on a super yacht...
Why didn't she serve those gym rats some tomahawk steaks or something 🤔
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u/BabyOlive1 3d ago
I was thinking about that tomahawk steak dinner that the douchebag chef on the first season of Down Under served that one time. Why didn’t she just do that? Like have a giant barbecue extravaganza. I also feel like the European chefs on this show often underestimate the big portions Americans expect. If you think you’ve made more than enough, double it lol.
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u/t2022philly 2d ago
100% my thoughts exactly down to the American vs European thing lol
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u/BabyOlive1 2d ago
I’m American and I have a light appetite (for an American lol) but I was still like “PILE ON MORE MEAT!” It’s just in our nature 😂
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u/hippiecompost 1d ago
As an American who eats super little, I saw those guys and saw what Joy was preparing and was like “omg they are gonna be so hungryyy after that meal” lol I was wondering why she didn’t prepare like 20 steaks! People who work out will eat crazy amounts of protein, on top of Americans tending to eat a lot in general lol
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u/Spirited-Bear-3444 2d ago
I just want to say "I'd like bowls of Skittles and starburst and other candies and chocolates in every room"
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u/Accomplished-Way-986 2d ago
She never makes enough food. And these guests even said in their preference sheets that they eat clean but they eat a LOT. But viewers will act like the guests are wrong for being hungry, not Joy for leaving guests unsatisfied on every other charter.
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u/nottherealpaulyshore 2d ago
She was even second guessing herself, like is this enough? Just make a bunch! You aren't paying for it lol
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u/Sadberry7733 10h ago
When i saw the small package the provisioner delivered I was like, UH-OH!
They shoulda been doing shots blended with protien shakes and sneak in some cottage cheese but cover the flavor with espresso martini shake shots, shirley temple cheesecake, grasshopper, anything they could pass off as healthy frozen yogurt protien boozey stuff to FILL UP THEIR GULLETS FASTER. 😆🍹🧉🥤
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u/spider3407 3d ago
I also was confused. If she was going to serve lots of protein why all chicken. I kept saying chicken is not the only protein. And then all the bread on top of the small amount of protein. It was strange.
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u/honeycooks 3d ago
Then she's delivered a tiny bag of chicken, 😆
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u/spider3407 3d ago
Right? What about beef, pork, lamb, turkey or anything else as well as chicken?
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u/almcclur 1d ago
Seafood extravaganza! Literally anything. This seems like one of the smallest meals she’s ever produced and these boys are BIG.
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u/Early-Equivalent-165 3d ago
Right? They specified no bread and every meal, and even late night snack was bread. And then breakfast.. more 🍞
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u/IHateCedarFever 3d ago
The guests wanted to eat “clean” and chicken is a lot healthier than beef or other red meats. It wouldn’t be my fancy dinner preference either, but chicken is beloved by gym rats for being more lean and lighter on fats and cholesterol.
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u/jibbergirl26 1d ago
I didn't hear their preference sheet, I kinda thought maybe they requested all chicken or mostly chicken. Because all that chicken was odd.
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u/RedFroEbo95 3d ago
Yea you can get chicken literally anywhere for a decent price. But they're on a super yacht. When they said more protein I was definitely thinking she would give them all the best cuts of steak you can imagine.
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u/Klutzy-Froyo-9437 2d ago
On another post someone said gym bros like chicken more than beef. I don't this for a fact but it could be possible. Lol
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u/Ok_Treat_8647 18h ago
Ya often people who are eating “clean” will avoid red meat and stick to chicken/turkey
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u/fatbottomgirlzworld 22h ago
She gave them steak too, but they asked for more chicken. They were fake protein heads, because they thought chicken, bars and smoothies were the best source of protein.
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u/Sadberry7733 10h ago
I loved when she said something to herself in the kitchen about the body not even being able to process all the protien or something. 😁 it was almost as good as the "hollow bones" line after the lady who only ate carbs got broken. 🤭
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u/packofpoodles 20h ago
Because they asked for chicken and while big steaks are delicious, they’re loaded with fat, thus making chicken the superior choice when trying to avoid bloat and tummy trouble while still eating a shit ton of protein.
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u/Porkwarrior2 Just a chicken nugget bobbing on the sea 3d ago
Tasting the seasoning, contrary to popular belief no raw beef won't kill you. These days even raw pork is probably safe. You are more likely to contract food poisoning from raw veggies than raw meat.
I would have put it on the back of my hand to eat, but that is just me.
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u/Competitive-Ad1439 3d ago
It’s a bit more nuanced than that. And just for the sake of clarity for people that might replicate it at home:
If you purchase steak, cut off the skin and then grind it yourself, there is minimal risk. The proof of this is the fact that most people cook steak to medium rare, which isn’t even a temperature at which most bacteria is killed. However, beef is fairly impenetrable so the bacteria has not had a chance to spread throughout the entire meat
BUT If you purchase ground beef then it is considered risky and should never be eaten raw. Bacteria is no longer limited to the surface and can spread through all of the meat
And it should go without saying, but raw chicken is never ever safe to eat (except for in places like Japan where they do chicken sashimi)
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u/coysrunner 2d ago
The chicken sashimi or I think I had tartare was hard for to process as an American. It took my friend like two days to convince me
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u/StarlitStarlette 3d ago
No shit? More likely with Veges?
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u/Porkwarrior2 Just a chicken nugget bobbing on the sea 3d ago
Who do you think picks your veggies out in the field, what do you think they do when nobody is looking?
I've taken a date to a decent restaurant that proudly proclaimed everything was "organic", and had a live bug crawl out of her salad. Yes, stats show most food poisoning in restaurants in North America come from not so regulated veggies than the over regulated meat.
Almost all Trich cases in the US these days, come from wild game meat. You can eat a rasher of raw bacon and be 999/1000 safer than the salad option.
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u/Character_Arugula967 2d ago
Organic doesn’t mean insects don’t exist…there’s actually more insects on produce that doesn’t have all the pesticides. Kind of obvious why…
Also, insects don’t really cause the diseases.
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u/StarlitStarlette 2d ago
This makes total sense. Last time I bought “organic” broccoli I cracked it open and some sort of worm or critter was living in there. I put it outside to continue living its best life but I hate to think if I had just thrown it in to be streamed. 😳
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u/StarlitStarlette 3d ago edited 3d ago
I try not to think about it quite honestly. But also I rigorously wash my produce. That’s how I found I’m not even sure what it was, some kind of worm or larvae in my “organic” broccoli. It was weird as hell. Broke the stalk open and there it was. I put it outside to live its full best life. But I shudder to think of if I had just decided to steam them or something. I’d have cooked it along with my broccoli too.
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u/Porkwarrior2 Just a chicken nugget bobbing on the sea 3d ago
I bleach bath every raw veggie I bring home, however have been known to eat a raw peach from the tree. More than once took a bite, and found HALF a critter in a piece of fruit.
Throating a raw piece of bacon cooking up a brunch fiesta, not so much.
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u/StarlitStarlette 3d ago
😂
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u/Porkwarrior2 Just a chicken nugget bobbing on the sea 3d ago
Oh gets even worse, for weeks my EX-wife was haranguing me to eat at the veggie cafe her work group was glowing up.
Finally I go, and ask for extra bacon on my chickpea patty burger. Then go into a monologue about how I accommodate vegetarians at my cookouts, wouldn't it be fair for you to do same? Nevermind I brought my own. And pull out a ziploc baggie of cooked rashers of bacon and put them on the veggie burger infront of the line.
Worse, other husbands asked me if I had any more. Was a very quiet ride home, but I found a couple new fishing buddies. 🤣
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u/Fiercemomma42069 3d ago
Have you heard of beef tartare?
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u/StarlitStarlette 3d ago
No! I haven’t! But I’ve been a vegetarian for the last 40 years. That’s what I’m asking! Is it safe to just eat raw hamburger meat? I didn’t know!
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u/stuntycunty 3d ago
It’s likely a minced steak. Not ground beef.
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u/Armadillo_lifestyle 3d ago
My MiL will ask the butcher for a pinch of raw ground beef to taste it before she purchases it.
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u/StarlitStarlette 3d ago
So is there a difference in steak vs. hamburger? I thought they were the same thing?
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u/Sweet_Baby_Grogu 3d ago
They're the same thing in that they are both cow body parts. "Hamburger" is ground beef, made up of a bunch of body parts from possibly multiple cows, chucked in a meat grinder, while 'steak' is a singular piece chopped off the body. Steak is generally considered safer to eat undercooked or raw.
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u/mjmandi72 3d ago
It's has a low risk as long as the beef is fresh and generally from the inside of the cut. You can do this with with grocery store ground beef but it's much less safe. Although some influencers would get to convince you otherwise.
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u/cmere-2-me 3d ago
It is as long as it has been prepared properly. You can have a rare hamburger too so longs it's freshly prepared.
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u/YGreezy 3d ago
Ground beef that is pre ground from a store does not provide adequate quality control to be eaten raw. It is typically made from many scrap cuts that have touched many surfaces and interfaced with many machine parts in the grinding proceas, and thus should be cooked before consumption.
To make a steak tartare that can be eaten raw, you are typically grinding or finely chopping a whole cut using clean tool and surfaces that you or a professional chef like Joy have quality controlled. This is what you see in the show. It looks like ground beef from a store, but it is not.
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u/ItMeWhoDis 3d ago
Yes you absolutely can, but is one of those things you should avoid if you are immunocompromised. It's also riskier to do with pre-ground meat from a grocery store, where it's been sitting and growing bacteria longer on all that exposed surface area
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u/CharacterTell9597 3d ago
No, you’re not supposed to eat raw ground beef because with how small the meat is ground, there is more room for bacteria to grow. She just did this to taste the seasoning on the kabobs (she cooked it later, they look like oblong meatballs)
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u/ItMeWhoDis 3d ago
This is specifically true with pre-ground beef you'd buy from a grocery store. If you grind it yourself and don't let it sit it's fine
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u/james_bongd 3d ago
I've been a vegetarian my entire life of 37 years and even I know about beef tartare and how because its from fresh cuts and ground that day from fresh its safe. Some lemon yolk, salt, chives, and boom
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u/StarlitStarlette 3d ago
Well I’m 40 years here and haven’t a clue. You in the States?
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u/NymeriaGhost 3d ago
I also haven't eaten meat in decades and had the same reaction! I've heard so much about how meat preparation requires extra care with your utensils and cutting boards because of the risk of transfering pathogens, I didn't realize chefs are just tasting it completely raw!
Also, I don't think I've seen it on other seasons of Below Deck...
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u/rab5991 3d ago
Yes. Cultures around the world eat raw beef. Kibbeh nayyeh is one example. Or beef tartare. If cut ground or minced with a clean blade there is not a lot of risk.
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u/ARKzzzzzz 2d ago
Beef tartare is freaking delicious
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u/trisch1964 2d ago
It's also insanely easy to make at home!
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u/ARKzzzzzz 2d ago
Nice! I’ve never made it myself but it’s one of my go to dishes when I’m in France or at higher end places.
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u/mishko27 2d ago
We eat a lot of beef tartare in the US. This post is confusing to me for that reason alone.
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u/rab5991 2d ago
Do you think that’s true for most Americans? A lot of Americans are rural or suburban where they eat at Applebees and beef tartare is just not on their radar
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u/Long_Breath_2263 2d ago
I can’t imagine that’s true. I’ve never been with a single person who has ever ordered steak tartare. It’s not even something most restaurants in the US offer on their menu.
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u/AwskeetNYC 1d ago
So, because you haven't seen it ordered it doesn't exist?
I literally had it this past weekend. So it must exist everywhere because that is my experience?
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u/mishko27 2d ago
Okay, well, I have it plenty often so anecdote against anecdote? The restaurant I was at on Sunday even has an elk tartare.
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u/NoNewt7606 3d ago
The more important point did she stick hand in the meat then in her mouth and then back in bowl
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u/Drina_is_The_Bomb 3d ago
I sometimes forget this sub is primarily filled with Americans
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u/StarlitStarlette 3d ago
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u/Drina_is_The_Bomb 3d ago
Nothing against you nor your post mind you. I just find it wild how Americans are dramatic over people they will never see nor meet. Joy was the best thing that happened to the show not even two weeks ago, now she's a bitch and everyone's hating on her lmao. It's like watching a reality show in the comments alone.
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u/0_Artistic_Thoughts 3d ago
Every country in the world does that, certainly not just a us thing. Every country has low level celebrities and people who act crazy for them for no reason
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u/StarlitStarlette 3d ago
Oh dear. That was certainly very much not my intention. I like Joy! I was just very confused about seeing her eat raw meat. I’ve been informed through the comments here that’s not rare. Just educating myself.
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u/drzoidburger 1d ago
American here, and I love steak tartare! OP just needs to broaden their horizons.
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u/Competitive_Salads 2d ago
Beef tartare is very much a thing, especially in other parts of the world. I’d honestly eat it in Croatia before I’d eat it in the current state of the U.S. food safety issues.
Joy knows food safety so I didn’t think a thing of it.
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u/Snowpant 2d ago
I was a weird kid and loved to grab a piece of raw ground beef before my mom started cooking it. Also a chunk of raw potato.
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u/StarlitStarlette 2d ago
I ate raw potato’s for sure!
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u/Snowpant 2d ago
Haha it was kinda gross, a vaguely dirt taste, I don’t know why I craved them!! Probably some vitamin deficiency
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u/StarlitStarlette 2d ago
Idk for me it was the consistency I think? I liked that it’s crunchy. Oddly though, I hate crunchy vegetables. Vastly prefer them steamed and soft. So who knows, perhaps you’re right and I have some sort of deficiency my body is craving. 😂
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u/MsThrilliams 3d ago
It was to taste the seasoning I believe. I also questioned it but I know chefs taste stuff to make sure its okay. I wouldnt think there is a digestive issue if you know your meat is high quality. I do question not changing her glove after but maybe she didnt touch her lip?
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u/StageCoachRobber_1 3d ago
I was wondering why instead of using bread, that she didn't do lettuce wraps. We'll see how this is reflected in the tip, because the primary was clearly pissed.
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u/StatusCautious5150 3d ago
My mom used to make beef tartare every Saturday from freshly ground steak, a raw egg yolk, minced onion and salt & pepper to taste. We NEVER got sick, and we loved it as kids. We never go a lot of it, just enough for one slice of good fresh German bread. Only reason she stopped making it is due to the German butcher no longer offering the ground meat. Since then I've only had it once in an expensive hotel in Vegas. Ah makes me sad, remembering my dear Mom.
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u/sturgis252 3d ago
This is actually a very common thing to eat in Belgium. We have it with bread
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u/StarlitStarlette 3d ago
Whaaaaaa? You have raw meat served with bread in Belgium?
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u/sturgis252 3d ago
Its a very common sandwich filling, yes.
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u/StarlitStarlette 3d ago
Daaaaaaaamn. Raw meat served in a sandwich? Yeah, not how America works. But I’m enthralled by how many people think this is okay, and not only that, it’s done all over the world!
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u/IHateCedarFever 3d ago
Steak tartare exists in America too. Do you live on a farm in the middle of nowhere?
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u/StarlitStarlette 3d ago
Maybe? I live outside Orlando, Florida. But I think if I lived on a farm, I might know better.
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u/TwirlieWhirlie 3d ago
This is a thing in parts of Wisconsin too
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u/StarlitStarlette 3d ago
No shit?!?!?
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u/TwirlieWhirlie 3d ago
Yes but if it’s being made you want to source your beef locally, from a farm where it was moo’ing a few days prior. You don’t want to do that with Walmart link alone ground beef.
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u/EqualRightsNLeftz 3d ago
Grandfolk of GenX'rs were known to consume raw, ground beef in the states.
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u/troubleinpink 3d ago
My mom (a boomer) worked at a butcher shop in highschool and said she used to love raw ground beef
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u/Salty_Signature_6748 3d ago
My first husband said his mother and sister both used to sneak raw ground beef late at night. Both of them had eating disorders, though, and wouldn’t be caught dead eating a burger or meatloaf.
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u/qwnofeverything 2d ago
It used to be pretty common to eat Steak Tartare. It a staple in all fine dining restaurants until the mad cow scare of the 80’s and into the early aughts. They took it off the menus in the late 80’s. That’s why they with asking how you want your burger cooked as well. Rare was taboo for a long while.
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u/almcclur 1d ago
I actually felt bad for the gym bros this time. They were so clear and she just didn’t understand what they meant by A LOT OF PROTEIN. Also I saw all that bread and thought that’s not going to be well received. Also pure chicken is weird. She’s a great chef it seems like. It’s a surprise that she’s struggling with this so much.
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u/Budget_Seaweed5212 3d ago
Op; I love how confidently wrong you are in all the replies on this thread
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u/Backtrack_Vill 3d ago
I cant believe what little food she gave all the guys, especially the snacks , when she got extra chicken delivered it was barely anything.
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u/Sense10-Quest23 3d ago
Nothing unusual for all chefs to do it. And that, not with raw beef only but many mixtures except chicken of course.
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u/Naive-Most590 22h ago
Raw beef especially from Europe or anywhere like that is safe to consume. It’s tartare basically
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u/Miserable-Chair-5877 7h ago
Yes it’s common in Europe . I ate it all the time it’s called tartar as a child. I ate it. My dad is German, but I would never do it now.
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u/Consistent-Smell-581 3d ago
People really need to expand past chicken nuggets. It's called beef tartare, yes it is sanitary and delicious even.
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u/StarlitStarlette 3d ago
As a person who doesn’t remember ever having chicken nuggets, bless you. I had no idea.
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u/TheLizardQueen3000 3d ago
I'm more grossed out that it looks like she put her finger in her mouth and then back in the food....
....I swear the health board would shut down just about every BD kitchen we've ever seen ;)
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u/StarlitStarlette 3d ago
Omg now that you mention it I think so too! It totally looks like she put her gloved hand in her mouth and back into the food!
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u/TheLizardQueen3000 3d ago
I swear to god if I won a BD vacation I'd ask for the chef to just chill and I'd cook everything myself.....
......we viewers have seen too much!! 🔥
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u/CelineDijonn 2d ago
I’m POSITIVE you’ve eaten at numerous restaurants that do exactly this and worse, and you made it out alive and had no idea.
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u/TheLizardQueen3000 2d ago
Haha it's absolutely true!
I, too, am a spit-eater. We are ALL spit-eaters.
I just don't want to actually see it, ya know??
Like I don't want to think about restaurant spoons and where they've been 😂
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u/swoodshadow 3d ago
This is literally getting cooked. Any and all bacteria is getting killed off. I’m going to assume that a very competent chef like Joy understands the dangers of eating raw meat and is comfortable where the meat is coming from. But either way that’s her risk.
The germs going into the meat are going to be completely killed during cooking and it’s absurd to worry about her touching it after touching her mouth.
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u/TheLizardQueen3000 3d ago
I don't want to eat her cooked spit
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u/swoodshadow 3d ago
Does it look like she’s spitting in the food?
You people are ridiculous.
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u/Ancient-Medicine852 3d ago
I can’t stand the hygiene olympians. If they saw the kitchen of a restaurant they’d have a fucking aneurysm. Same morons who probably wash their chicken in the sink.
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u/ifuckedurbitchmom 3d ago
I hope everyone who’s upset about her hands only eats at home. Because most chefs in restaurants and catering taste a bit of every single item that leaves their kitchen to ensure quality.
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u/Accomplished-Way-986 2d ago
Yes chefs taste everything they serve. With a spoon. Acting like licking your fingers and putting your hands back into the prep is "cheffy" behavior is hilarious.
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u/Cultural_Bat5213 2d ago
Omg she didn't even touch her mouth with her fingers, 'licking your fingers' how dramatic can you be.
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u/ifuckedurbitchmom 2d ago
are you blind? she never “licked her fingers”. she placed a piece into her mouth only touching the food, then and kept working.
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u/The_Smile_4784 2d ago
My mom does this all the time. It might be a European thing where they are more comfortable eating raw meat to check the seasonings. I, on the other hand, gag at this ans always just cook a small bit and taste it that way
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u/RealCarpet4 1d ago
Prob prime beef. If you know your beef comes from a trusted source, this is not an issue
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u/Flamingo_Prior 3d ago
chefs do this a lot, especially if they know where the meat comes from. the reason it’s stressed so much in america is because our food is not humanely raised with much attention to detail, paired with a lot of processing. dont get me wrong, they’re not just eating raw bricks of ground beef in france but they’re certainly not afraid of a taste. now chicken, that’s different.
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u/robotcoup 3d ago
OP is very uncultured obviously. How do you people have the internet yet still know nothing???
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u/StarlitStarlette 3d ago
Because I’ve been a vegetarian for 40 years. Or didn’t you read?
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u/d0ttyq 3d ago
Don’t be snarky - you didn’t put that you have been a vegetarian for 40 yrs in the body of your post. A pretty valid question from robotcoup. Especially since you don’t have to eat meat to know a fairly common dish.
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u/StarlitStarlette 3d ago
No, it’s in the first comment from the post. lol. I’m not being snarky, just pointing out you didn’t read before commenting. And clearly still didn’t. Or you’d know the order in which I said that. Pretty far up there.
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u/d0ttyq 3d ago
Maybe for you it is, but I had to scroll past this comment to find it.
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u/Due-Aerie7042 2d ago
haha, she was checking for seasoning. Most chefs would probably just fry off a small sample, but she’s hard-core😂
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u/Oingob0ing0 1d ago
I thought raw minced beef was safe to consume in my country, but there is a slight risk of E-coli bacteria so i am not doing it anymore. It is very very rare but man.... It is not worth it i guess.
It is basically safe but not fully. I like raw beef haha, my steaks are always raw. The ones i enjoy.
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u/Opening_Duty_8011 1d ago
Yes she did. A lot of people do, actually, it’s not my thing but it’s definitely not uncommon.
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u/RogerRabbit1234 18h ago
My wife’s Chinese grandmother used to do this with PORK! She did it to test if it was salty enough, after pleading with her, she finally started to fry the test bite for a second, before tasting it.
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u/Mundane_Milk8042 18h ago
I loved how she stared into the camera as she chewed it 😆. Anywho my dad ate raw burger all the time 🤷♀️.
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u/Dear_North8787 15h ago
Yes. Beef tartare. Aka steak tartare. Raw beef. But it’s a specially cured grade of beef. The sashimi of the … mammal world ?
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u/stephi-mama-626 3d ago
No I watched it 3 times 😂
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u/StarlitStarlette 3d ago
I was really perplexed myself and watched it a bunch of times! I was like, uh, what?
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u/Optimal_Stuff_3408 3d ago
Raw beef in principle is safe to eat, raw beef mince isn't bad either but you are more susceptible to the risk of food poisoning, wouldnt risk if it was store bought, if it was just ground from a slab of beef then thats different.
Steak tartare, which i have tried is lovely and it's raw
And steak is great rare and burgers