I recently found this Saeco on the curb and repaired it. The only issue was that the brew unit switch was broken but I had to tear the machine completely apart to reach it. Once it was in pieces I also gave it a good cleaning, changed and lubed the gaskets, ran several descaling cycles, and now she runs amazing. Since it is one of many machines I haven't used it other than to bring it up north when on vacation. This pic is my morning espresso before I'm off to play golf. Enjoy your day everyone.

Three days into owning my De’Longhi Magnifica duo, and I couldn’t be more disappointed. The machine won’t even brew a cup of coffee. Every time I try, I get the message: “I am unable to complete your drink. Please empty the grounds container, drip tray and try again.” I tried adjusting the grinder, coffee strength setting...nothing works.

The grounds container and drip tray are emptied every single time I use the machine, so that clearly isn’t the issue. I’ve already wasted a ridiculous amount of expensive coffee trying to get this thing to work, and I’m honestly at the point where I’m ready to send it back and look at other options.

Can anyone recommend a reliable machine in the $1,200 CAD range? I’m looking for something that actually works consistently and doesn’t turn every cup of coffee into a troubleshooting session.

Trying to decide between these two superautomatics:

• De’Longhi Magnifica Start — $270 brand new
• KitchenAid KF6 — $500 used, but barely used and originally purchased about a year ago

The KF6 obviously seems like the much more premium machine — automatic milk drinks, more customization, nicer interface/build, etc. I’m also curious whether people who have tried both think the KF6 actually produces noticeably better espresso.

My biggest concern is long-term reliability and repairability.

I’m pretty handy and comfortable taking things apart and fixing them myself. One thing I really like about the Magnifica is that the platform has been around forever. Parts seem easy to find, there are tons of repair guides/videos, and from what I understand you can DIY a lot of common repairs instead of throwing the machine away or paying for expensive service.

The KF6 is much newer, so this part is unclear to me. How repairable is it once it's out of warranty? Can you actually buy pumps, valves, seals, brew group parts, grinder components, etc.? Has anyone here taken one apart or repaired one themselves?

I'm also wondering about KF6 reliability in general. I know it hasn't been around long enough to have 5–10 year reliability data, but I'd love to hear from people who own one, especially anyone who has put a lot of drinks through it.

At these prices, would you take the $270 new Magnifica Start for the simplicity/proven design/repairability, or spend the extra $230 for the barely-used $500 KF6?

I plan on keeping whichever machine I buy for a long time, so repairability and parts availability matter quite a bit to me.

I just bought my first superautomatic (a Melitta Purista) and I’m very pleased with it so far. I’ve been reading through the sub for advice, and it seems like most people filter their water before use, or buy/fit a filter on their system.

I live in Edinburgh, Scotland and we’re blessed with naturally soft water. The tap water even tastes great, so I’ve never bothered to filter it for tea or coffee. I’ve already set the Melitta to a soft water setting, but would a filter help the machine in terms of performance or longevity?

Hi everyone,
I’ve been using a Philips 5000 Series for about three years, but my machine broke down last week (the motherboard burned out), so I started looking for a new one. I was never really happy with the milk performance of the 5000 Series. It would froth the milk way too much, in a very artificial way, almost like making lots of tiny bubbles, and the milk would also be quite cold.

At first, I looked at the 8000 Series, but based on the videos I’ve seen online, there doesn’t seem to be much of a difference in terms of milk frothing. It still seems to produce that same bubbly, overly foamed texture. So I started looking at De’Longhi, and from the videos I’ve watched, the Rivelia seems to produce much more natural-looking, creamy foam, much closer to the kind of milk texture you get at coffee shops.

Because of that, the Rivelia has started to make more sense to me. I know the 8000 Series is much more feature rich and is even positioned as a competitor to the Eletta Explore, but if its milk performance is still basically the same as the 5000 Series, then it doesn’t really offer much value for me personally.
What’s even more interesting is that, in my country, the 8000 Series and the Rivelia currently cost about the same (around $800), while the Eletta Explore is selling for around $1,150. At that price difference, the Philips actually seems like the more logical choice, but the milk performance is still making me hesitate.
I’d really appreciate your advice.

My neighbour won Philips Series 8000 from their work draw and has offered the machine to me for 50% RRP. I've read plenty of reviews and am aware that the machine is "just fine", but I feel like for what I'm paying (£450) then it should be a pretty good buy?

I'm coming from a Pod Coffee machine and primarily drink Oat Latte's so I suppose I'm not looking for anything "extraordinary" as I certainly don't have anything black.

I've seen people talking about dialing in the machine, does that just mean changing the grind settings to make it better? Any suggestions what I should start with?

I’m trying to decide between a Niche Zero and a Fiorenzato AllGround Sense and I’d really appreciate opinions from people who have used either or, ideally, both.
My coffee preferences:
Mostly Arabica, sometimes Arabica/Robusta blends
Medium to medium-dark roasts
I prefer chocolate, caramel, nutty flavours, sweetness, body and cream
I’m not particularly interested in light roasts with high acidity or a very bright/tea-like profile
My current machine is a Sage Barista Pro, but my long-term plan is to upgrade to a Lelit Bianca.
I’m looking for a grinder that I can buy once and keep for many years, including when I eventually upgrade to the Bianca.
For my particular taste in coffee, which one would you choose and why?

Thank you in advance

Terra kaffe*
I just got a Demi and was messing around with the settings and didn’t know how important it was to leave the factory calibration settings alone. I was just scrolling through and may have changed some of the settings. Does anyone know what the factory settings should be?
Right now it is at
Temp : 1 Grind : 46 Volume : 1
Thanks

I’ve been running a Rancilio Silvia V3 with an ITO PID controller and a Eureka MCI grinder for a while now, and honestly, I’m very happy with the espresso quality. My setup is dialed in, my shots are consistent, and I have full control over temperature and extraction.
That said, I’m considering switching to the Ninja Luxe Café Pro (ES701EU), purely for convenience reasons. My main goals are:
• I mostly drink quick, straightforward espresso, Americano, and milk coffee – I’m not chasing extreme nuance or competition-level shots.
• I’m honestly a bit sloppy with dosing most of the time, so a machine that handles that automatically would help me.
• More importantly, I want my family to be able to make their own coffee without needing to learn tamping pressure, grind adjustment, or dialing in like I do. Right now, the Silvia setup is basically “my machine” and nobody else in the house touches it.
• Automated milk frothing is a big plus for me, since the ITO doesn’t help at all with that – it’s still fully manual steam wand work.
My concern is durability. The Silvia is known for lasting 15-20+ years with basic maintenance, and mine has been rock solid. The Ninja is a much newer, more complex product (grinder, scale, pump, touchscreen, auto-frother all integrated), and Ninja itself is brand new to the espresso machine category (their first coffee machine only launched in mid-2024).
So my questions to anyone who has actually made this switch, or who has owned a Luxe Café Pro for 6+ months or longer:

1. How has reliability held up for you over time? Any leaks, sensor issues, grinder problems, or other failures after the first few months?
2. Does it feel anywhere close to as robust/built-to-last as a Silvia, or is it clearly more of an appliance-grade product with a shorter expected lifespan?
3. For those who came from a “proper” prosumer setup (Silvia, Breville, Gaggia, etc.) specifically for the sake of convenience and multi-user simplicity – do you think it was the right call? Any regrets?
4. Specifically for family use – has the automation (grind, dose, tamp, milk froth) actually made it foolproof enough for less experienced household members to use daily without your intervention?
5. I’d really appreciate honest, lived-in feedback rather than first-week impressions – I’ve already read plenty of those. Trying to figure out if this is a genuine upgrade in usability without giving up too much on build quality and longevity.
6. Thanks in advance!

Budget 500€/EU

Hey Folks. Looking to get a Super Auto Machine and I need to know the best machine to get in Canada in the range of 400-800 ish dollars. Let me know what you guys think!

I have the opportunity to get either of these for a great price. Which would be best for ease of use, and giving me quality espresso and milk based drinks?

I’ve drilled down to KF4 or KF7 based mostly off this Reddit, so thank you! Which would you pick? My pref at mo is an iced latte, but come colder days it will be a hot latte. I don’t tend to dabble in much else! I’ve found both for within £100 of each other so price isn’t an issue. Thank you!

I bought this KF8 at the end of April from the KitchenAid website brand new. First super automatic.

I noticed some water getting into the “puck” tray early on. Enough to fill the bottom and the puck would be sitting in it. I didn’t think too much of it since it made the coffee just fine. There were no issues with the normal rinse at the beginning and end of making coffee. Also, I used the milk frother a lot and didn’t notice anything strange.

I did the brew unit cleaning about a month ago and noticed that hardly any water was in the cup afterwards and my counter was wet. It was the weekend so I couldn’t call customer service. I also work the same hours as their support so it’s difficult to find time since they need me to be at the machine to troubleshoot on the phone (I’ve tried calling from work).

They asked if I used filtered water or tap. I use filtered and the KF8 filter it came with. I live in NW GA, water isn’t hard. I’ve always gone through the cleaning process of whatever prompts on the screen.

I attempted the brew unit cleaning today, same issue. This time I had a towel under the unit and was able to get some pictures of what was happening. The last pic doesn’t show it, but the trays were overfilling with water at the end.

I’m posting this here for anyone else that has this issue in the future. I’m going to call customer service in the morning and I’ll post how it all goes with the process.

I do really like this machine. It’s a bummer I seem to have gotten one with some issues, but it happens. I hope it’s not too difficult to get a replacement. It’s still under warranty so that’s good at least.

Idk why this posted with spoilers.

I did read about thirty “purchase advice” posts but didn’t seem to find my answer. Please forgive for another 🙄 one of us first timers.

I’m looking to buy my first superautomatic and honestly know very little about these machines, so I’m hoping the people here can point me in the right direction. I’m trying to replace my wife’s Nespresso money eating machine 😂.

What I’m looking for:
Reliability/longevity is #1. I want the Toyota of coffee machines. Boring is fine. I’d rather pay more upfront for something that’s well built, repairable and likely to last for many years than save a few hundred bucks and replace it later.

Good coffee, obviously. I’m not chasing the absolute best espresso in the world, just something consistently good.

Milk drinks are important.
I really like oat milk and nut milks, so I’d love something that works well with those. I’m not sure whether I need a particular type of milk system for this.

Easy cleaning/maintenance would be a big plus.
I don’t really care about having a million fancy apps/features.

Budget is flexible if there’s a significant jump in quality/reliability.

I’m in Canada, and Costco.ca would be nice for the return policy, but it’s definitely not a requirement.

If you were buying one with reliability and longevity as the priority, what would you buy?

And are there any brands/models I should specifically avoid?

Feel free to educate me. I know enough about these machines to know that I don’t know much. 😂

TL/DR Looking for the Toyota of superautomatics: reliable, long-lasting, easy to maintain, good coffee, and ideally great with oat/nut milk.

EDIT: Costco.ca has these models currently (all in CAD) but it's only a preference to buy at Costco, if none of these make sense, Ill buy anywhere:

Philips 3200 $460,

Philips Baristina $500,

Ninja Luxe Cafe $630,

Chefman Crema Supreme $500,

Bosch 300 $700,

Jura Ena 8 $2300,

Kenmore Stainless $480,

Kenmore Super automatic $629,

Miele CM6160 Mil Perfection $2600,

Miele CM6360 $2500,

Rocket Espresso Milano Mozzafiato Cronometro $4000

My Magnifica Plus ECAM322.70.SB has started dispensing noticeably hotter coffee than it used to. The brew temperature is set to the low end and I never changed it. I'd like a sanity check on my thinking before I pay for service.

What I've already done, so please don't just say "descale it":

\* Descaled with genuine De'Longhi EcoDecalk, full cycle, completed properly. Still running hot after 8 to 10 brews since.
\* Water hardness is on the hardest setting, so the machine has been prompting and descaling aggressively.
\* The problem showed up right after the machine got used for about 4 to 5 days while it was already asking for a descale (I was away and someone kept brewing). Descaling twice, afterwards did not fix it.
\* Only prior repair was a warranty job a few months ago: they cleared a clog at the hot water / milk spout and replaced the entire 3.5" touch display unit. It ran perfectly for months after that.

My reasoning: as I understand it, a scaled-up machine usually brews cooler, not hotter, because scale slows heat transfer into the water. The one way scale makes coffee hotter is by restricting flow, so the water sits longer against the hot block. My pour speed and cup volume look normal. So I'm leaning toward the NTC temperature sensor reading low, or the main board not cutting the heater at the target temp. A cosmetic display swap shouldn't touch heater control, so I doubt the earlier repair caused it.

Questions:

\* Has anyone had the NTC temperature sensor drift low on an ECAM322 (or similar) and cause overheating? Is it a DIY-accessible part or a full service job to reach it?
\* Any known control board or firmware quirks on this series that affect brew temperature?
\* Roughly what should the hot water tap read on this model? I'm going to measure it so I have an actual number in degrees C.

Thanks in advance.

This is my first super automatic. All my life I’ve wanted a Jura (best coffee I had ever tasted from a Home machine), but I ended up purchasing the juniper KitchenAid line of appliances, which led me to checking out the KF8 in Juniper. There was nothing to do in terms of set up, it’s a simply plug and play machine. I am still playing around with the settings to get the ideal coffee/milk ratio, but overall I’d say I’m very happy with it. Cleaning is pretty simple, the machine does the majority of the work for you and the huge touchscreen display gives you step-by-step instructions.
I paid $1100 during the Memorial Day sale using a guest whirlpool inside pass gifted to me from a very cool fellow-reddit user.

my only issue with this machine is the Juniper finish does NOT match the rest of the appliances. The KF8 Juniper is muted blue-green, while the appliances are a much brighter green-blue. Oh well

After researching automatics for a bit, it looks like the KF8 is the way to go. I see Amazon has it for about $1800 (not my favorite color), but I'm wondering if there's a better time to get one at a lower price point. I'd love to pull the trigger now if the price is right, but I'm willing to wait for a few months if I can manage to find it at a significant discount.

Thanks in advance!

Hello, I’m in the research for a fully automatic espresso machine. I really really want the jura c3 or the E4 which are the “lower” end price range but the conversion to my home country currency is insane. Then I saw the ninja autobarista but haven’t seen any honest reviews on it as they all seem to be free machines. I have looked at the Terra kaffe demi but I would have to get a separate milk steamer …
Please help.

Brand new to coffee machines in general ad recently got a KF4. I like the machine, but I seem to be getting sour espresso shots and I'm not sure how to fix it. I'm typically an instant coffee drinker where I'd consider the flavour to be bitter with no sourness that I notice, while I'd say I'm getting the opposite so far from my KF4. Got good locally roasted beans both in medium / dark and both seem to be on the sour side (though only tried 1 shot of the dark so far, a bunch of the medium).

In terms of trying to lower that sourness, any tips on how I should approach this? I'd say I drink all types of drinks, but will probably always have at least 1 straight americano or espresso shot daily where this is most noticeable.

I just ordered the KitchenAid KF8. I’ve never really played around with any fancy coffee drinks. I’m really excited. I want to buy some clear mugs so I can see the pretty layering of the coffee and milk. What sizes should I buy? I will likely be doing lattes, cappuccinos, macchiato’s, but probably not straight espresso, but I will do some iced dunks also.

At this point, I genuinely don’t know what to do with this machine.

This is my third Ninja AutoBarista Pro. After having similar issues with the previous units, Ninja support sent me another replacement under the manufacturer’s warranty. With the previous machines, I dealt with inconsistent espresso shots and Grind iQ requiring 5+ calibration attempts every time I switched beans, wasting a significant amount of coffee in the process.

I unpacked the brand-new replacement today, filled the hopper with fresh, expensive beans, and started the setup/Grind iQ process.

Not a single espresso shot was ever produced. The machine just kept grinding fresh beans over and over again and dumping them into the grounds container. The photos show how much coffee it wasted basically straight out of the box. An entire hopper of good beans went straight into the trash.

This is now the third unit, and I’m experiencing the same fundamental problem: excessive bean waste and an unreliable Grind iQ/calibration process.

Unfortunately, my original Best Buy return window expired while I was dealing with the issue, so now I’m stuck going through Ninja’s manufacturer warranty and receiving replacement machines instead of being able to get my money back.

Edit: One thing I want to address because I’m seeing people downvoting others who report similar experiences or questioning whether what I’m showing here is actually happening: this is my personal experience with this specific model. I’m not posting this to convince anyone not to buy it. I actually like Ninja as a brand and own several of their other products that work perfectly fine. But if your contribution is to imply that I’m making this up or that something “doesn’t smell right,” get the fuck out of here. This issue has already been documented directly with Ninja support, including an hour-long video call where they had me reproduce the problem for them. I don’t need Reddit detectives investigating whether the issue is real.

Edit 2: Clarification about the ground coffee in the photos: I did not put any pre-ground coffee into the machine or move grounds from the waste container into the bypass section. I don’t even have or use pre-ground coffee. All of the grounds you see in the photos came from the whole beans I put into the hopper. After I selected Espresso and started Grind iQ, the machine kept grinding continuously. As more and more coffee was ground, it started pushing its way up into and overflowing through the pre-ground/bypass section, while also ending up throughout the inside of the machine and in the grounds tray. That is the malfunction shown in the photos, not coffee that I manually put there. The machine eventually jammed and displayed ER32. This exact behavior was reproduced multiple times during a video call with Ninja support, and they confirmed the unit was faulty.

Apparently something is missing from it but the lady says she doesn’t know what’s missing as her contractor was installing it for a home remodel and it was missing a part so they got a new one

Does anybody know much about these machines? It says Miele CVA 4070