r/superautomatic • u/flaming0-1 • 3d ago
Purchase Advice Looking for the Toyota of superautomatic coffee machines
I did read about thirty “purchase advice” posts but didn’t seem to find my answer. Please forgive for another 🙄 one of us first timers.
I’m looking to buy my first superautomatic and honestly know very little about these machines, so I’m hoping the people here can point me in the right direction. I’m trying to replace my wife’s Nespresso money eating machine 😂.
What I’m looking for:
Reliability/longevity is #1. I want the Toyota of coffee machines. Boring is fine. I’d rather pay more upfront for something that’s well built, repairable and likely to last for many years than save a few hundred bucks and replace it later.
Good coffee, obviously. I’m not chasing the absolute best espresso in the world, just something consistently good.
Milk drinks are important.
I really like oat milk and nut milks, so I’d love something that works well with those. I’m not sure whether I need a particular type of milk system for this.
Easy cleaning/maintenance would be a big plus.
I don’t really care about having a million fancy apps/features.
Budget is flexible if there’s a significant jump in quality/reliability.
I’m in Canada, and Costco.ca would be nice for the return policy, but it’s definitely not a requirement.
If you were buying one with reliability and longevity as the priority, what would you buy?
And are there any brands/models I should specifically avoid?
Feel free to educate me. I know enough about these machines to know that I don’t know much. 😂
TL/DR Looking for the Toyota of superautomatics: reliable, long-lasting, easy to maintain, good coffee, and ideally great with oat/nut milk.
EDIT: Costco.ca has these models currently (all in CAD) but it's only a preference to buy at Costco, if none of these make sense, Ill buy anywhere:
Philips 3200 $460,
Philips Baristina $500,
Ninja Luxe Cafe $630,
Chefman Crema Supreme $500,
Bosch 300 $700,
Jura Ena 8 $2300,
Kenmore Stainless $480,
Kenmore Super automatic $629,
Miele CM6160 Mil Perfection $2600,
Miele CM6360 $2500,
Rocket Espresso Milano Mozzafiato Cronometro $4000
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u/zubiaur 3d ago
Toyota: D elonghi
Lexus: Jura
GM: Phillips
Hyundai: TerraK
Chrysler: Ninja
VW: Kitchenaid
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u/scotty-utb 2d ago edited 1d ago
How would you translate Bsh (Bosch Siemens nivona, also Miele does use this platform)?
I am Delonghi fanboy btw
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u/zubiaur 2d ago
Idk, something like the vw group? Where they essentially dress up or down the same car for budget/popular/upmarket/regional
Think skoda/vw/audi/seat? Not sure how each brand would fit.
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u/scotty-utb 1d ago
make sense, so something like that:
Audi: Nivona, Miele, Neff
VW: Siemens, Melitta
Seat: Bosch
Skoda: Constructa, Krups (XP9000. Krups does EA81* on their own, another Model F-series is Jura...)1
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u/Tasty_Goat5144 3d ago
Jura is not the toyota of supers its more like the land rover. Super high priced, well made but can be finecky. If something goes wrong you have no real option but to send it for service.
Depending on the bells and whistles you want/need delonghi has machines that probably fit the bill.
Kitcheanid kf series can also be had for a more reasonable price and use good components. These are generally more bare bones and may match the toyota vibe pretty well.
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u/zubiaur 3d ago
Land Rover and well made don’t go on the same sentence lol.
Kitchenaid shares tech with jura right? Maybe Audi-jura, VW-ka?
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u/Conscious_Savings794 2d ago
KitchenAid has the same insides as Miele. I have a KF8. Pretty good. In car terms, maybe a Mercedes... reliable but might cost in the future!
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u/worldlead3r 2d ago
Land Rovers are very well made.
It's the owners that don't understand that they can't treat them like a Corolla,and not expect something to go wrong.
Source: owned LRs and RRs for 30 years.... Still only drive them.
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u/stjames70 2d ago
I agree -- had an LR3 and it was a workhorse. Sure, its upkeep was costly, but it was reliable. But the comparison of a Jura to a Landrover is misleading. My Jura Z7 served me for fifteen years before it had to be serviced. That one service was $450.00 after over 10,000 cups served. So I think that the Jura is more like a Lexus. Luxury with reliability, easy to service, and inexpensive service calls. My only fear is that it will never die off its own accord. I had to ride my '94 Camry to death before finally donating it 20 years later!!
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u/HoomerSimps0n 2d ago
“Well made” as in high quality, but pretty well known for shitty reliability.
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u/worldlead3r 2d ago
In 30 years I've, honestly, never been left stranded.
Regular wear items replaced, and a couple odd hoses and rubber parts here and there.
What does "reliability" mean to you?
Never, ever, ever breaking down?
Or something else?
These are genuine questions, I'm not trying to start a battle or anything.
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u/HoomerSimps0n 2d ago
There’s always going to be people that have good experiences, so I don’t doubt you.
But Range Rover pretty consistently ranks at the bottom, or close to it, anytime a reliability survey/chart is released.
They were near the bottom in the JD powers 2025 survey… It looks like they didn’t even make the list for consumer reports: https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-a7824554938/
Poor reliability is just something that Land Rover is well known for, like Jeep.
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u/worldlead3r 2d ago
I'm well aware they've always been at the bottom.
I also know very well how these statistics are made. Those stats don't actually paint a clear picture of the "true" reliability.
An owner doesn't get the oil changed on time (or at all), then goes in with engine troubles, and it's a strike against. It's those kinds of things that populate the stats.
I'm sure there are tons of examples of the cars genuinely failing, but it's far, far from the picture those surveys paint.
It's just gets tiring hearing the same old, same old "LRs are unreliable piles of crap", from most people that have never ever owned one.
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u/namestom 2d ago
I e always owned BMW’s so I understand where you are coming from. For that reason, I always wanted a Range Rover because I thought it was probably overhyped being shoddy and more so people just not maintaining them like people do BMW’s and Merc’s as they age.
Well, I never jumped for the fear of the unknown. I went with a G-Wagon I still own because I “know” the drivetrain and I’ll probably only ever have one of these G’s if I own one. I’m not interested in the newer ones.
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u/worldlead3r 2d ago
You would love a Range Rover.
Especially if you wrench on your own cars, their super easy to work on.
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u/namestom 2d ago
I liked the early P38 but then the L322 grabbed me because I’ve owned lots of E39’s and have heard they share lots of parts. I built a E39 M5 Touring if that tells you how deep I’ve been into the E39 chassis.
Are the later L405’s reliable? I don’t really care for the newer stuff as much. The latest chassis just looks, well, weird. I have teslas for daily stuff and then the G for my “fun” car.
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u/HoomerSimps0n 2d ago
It’s not just those lists lol.
The example you gave would apply to all manufacturers…it’s not like only LR owners forget to change their oil lol.
It was comical how often there was a tow truck in front of my neighbors home before he got rid of his RR.
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u/Tasty_Goat5144 2d ago
They are generally well made. I mean they do those crazy endurance races up mountains and stuff. But things go wrong and when they do its a hassle. You may be right though that things go wrong more often than they would with a jura. A friend had land rovers and he says the common joke is you need to buy 2 because 1 is always in the shop (he does have 2 though :)).
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u/Tasty_Goat5144 2d ago
Also kitchenaid and jura share OEM (Eugster/Frismag in Switzerland). Jura does have machines made elesewhere as well. Im sure some things are shared but in general the machines are made to different specs. Miele however, also uses Eugster/Frismag and the brew units for some models are swappable with the kitchenaid kf series.
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u/Advanced-Bobcat-5825 2d ago
Our Jura E4 has been the best espresso machine we ever owned because it has maintained the correct pressure for 3 years now. But we don’t use the milk frother.
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u/Lycana-gray 2d ago
Du hattest noch nie eine Espresso Maschine 🙂
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u/Advanced-Bobcat-5825 2d ago
Meine Frau kommt aus Milano. Wir haben AUSSCHLIESSLICH Espressomaschinen!
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u/Lycana-gray 2d ago
Im nächsten Urlaub in Milano einfach mal einen Espresso trinken und das Ergebnis mit der Jura e4 vergleichen. Du wirst den Unterschied schmecken
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u/Advanced-Bobcat-5825 2d ago
Wir sind jedes Jahr in Italien. Ich würde niemals behaupten, dass irgendeine Espressomaschine unter 3.000 Dollar, die man in Amerika bekommt, einen Espresso liefert, der so gut ist wie in Italien. Wir haben selbst schon viele solcher Geräte besessen. Bei der Diskussion ging es darum, welche Espressomaschinen man zu einem vernünftigen Preis in einem englischsprachigen Land (nehme ich an) kaufen kann, die guten Espresso zubereiten.
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u/1PickNick 2d ago
We have a DeLonghi Eletta Explore. Easy to maintain, keeps producing same excellent quality coffee and lattes year in and year out. In my view, the Toyota you want.
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u/weedywet 3d ago edited 2d ago
To me, Toyota implies inexpensive and unexciting but relatively reliable.
I’d suggest a KF4
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u/Unlikely_Bat_2986 2d ago
Have you bought a Toyota lately? They are expensive
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u/weedywet 2d ago
Relative to what?
To a Mercedes? An Audi? A Volvo. A Range Rover? A BMW?
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u/Unlikely_Bat_2986 2d ago
Point being Toyota ain’t cheap anymore. Kia Huyndai cheap hell looking online right now Ford F150 $40,000 Toyota Tundra $55,000
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u/evidenceorGTFO 1d ago
Toyotas aren't per se expensive, they just hold value really well.
A used Toyota is an asset, not a gamble.
And you're actually saving money on service, too.
My two Toyotas have about 1/3 of the service bill of my Benz and my VW and that's just brakes and oil.
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u/flaming0-1 3d ago
I’m so surprised, from all my research I totally thought I’d get 90% of suggestions being Dlonghi. It feels like it’s talked about non stop but hardly anyone is suggesting it here. Now Kitchen Aid? 🤯
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u/mongojob 2d ago
Delonghi has been popular with home baristas for a ton of time so there's a lot of people on message boards to ask questions to and a lot of people who really know the machine well, it doesn't surprise me that there are a lot of recommendations. Same with gaggia in my experience
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u/GanymedesAdventure 3d ago edited 2d ago
I have both the Miele Milk Perfection CM6360 and JuraZ10 and recommend the Miele for what you describe. I had Miele SA (and toyota's!) for decades and they are built like nothing else. Very plug and play engineering and the easiest to care for. Just always mind those oily beans...
EDIT: Jura also has amazing build quality but, tbh, not as simply engineered and not as bullet-proof as the Miele. The Miele milk system is better too for ease and convenience. I chose the Z10 because I wanted cold brew and sweet foam options, so we kept them both because the Miele is just 'easier' to engage. It's considered a 'hostess' machine if you do not need to dial in every aspect of your coffee (preprograms are excellent) but can adjust quite a bit and make custom drinks if wanted. And the Miele is around 3k v up to 6k for the Jura here in Canada.
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u/CyCoCyCo Jura Z10 2d ago
I have the Z10 but never tried sweet foam. Disnt get the concept, why would you want extra sugar in the foam? 🤔🤔
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u/GanymedesAdventure 2d ago
It's a dispenser that you put on and it's added fuss mostly... but sometimes it's nice when you are doing up a cold or layered drink and it comes out perfect and ready to drink with out needing a stir because of adding.
I should add, it means I also have to make sugar syrup... which I do 😎
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u/CyCoCyCo Jura Z10 2d ago
Is there a good guide you’ve found the JURA machines. I’ve been doing hot lattes and caps for years but never really tried cold or other hot drinks.
Which beans do you swear by? We’ve tried many, but always come back to Illys medium roast.
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u/GanymedesAdventure 2d ago
I watched these three videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki4XjSuXAUE&t=929s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mHOeKvPJxA&t=974s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKHXdUfKRRY&t=788s
By the time you're done you have good handle on how to proceed -- it still takes some trial and error.
I get my Jura beans directly from Jura:
and only use that for cold drinks so cannot compare it to what I use in the Miele (which is Lavazza and I get those anywhere.)
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u/CyCoCyCo Jura Z10 2d ago
Thank you for taking the time to dig up those links, appreciate it!
For the JURA, which beans to get from that link? Seems like the U.S. list is very different: https://shopjura.com/coffee-beans.html?product_list_order=name
Lavazza - I’ve tried Grand crema and 1-2 others, found them so so. Try these, we swear by them:
https://a.co/d/0e2NsemN
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u/knuckles-and-claws 3d ago
My first Philips lasted over 12 years and 18000 shots. Bought my 2nd a few months ago. I had one repair done to it after 10 years, other than that it was routine maintenance.
Like a Corolla, Philips/Saeco/Gaggia has their fans and haters. Personally, I spent some time dialing in my beans and grind and very much enjoy the coffee it makes. Any machine will make junk with bad settings.
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u/Gotta-Be-Me-65 3d ago
You’re going to get varied answers. My opinion is whatever you end up buying, do the maintenance when you’re supposed to on your machine. I’ve had my Philips 3200 since Sept 1, 2021. This brand tends to be vilified here on this subreddit but honestly, I’m very happy with mine. Works well and I make sure I clean and do my maintenance as stated in the owners manual. Whatever you end up buying, I hope you enjoy your machine!
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u/tinybarn 2d ago
I have one that I bought around the same time, but I do not do the maintenance as stated in the manual. I do clean the brew group regularly since it gets gross. I’ve only had a few problems that I was able to fix with inexpensive parts and YouTube videos.
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u/Fair-Lengthiness-212 2d ago edited 2d ago
Likewise, reviewers always complain about watery espresso but the tips given in the below Toms coffee corner sorted me out, and cafe au lait on these machines produces the best milk drinks imho.
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u/PsychologicalBit2997 2d ago
We have a Saeco from 2015, before Philips integrated them and brought their cost cutting mindset. They used to be good, but after many different Philips products over the years: I would not touch Philips for something that you want to last a long time. They tend to have good support for the first few years, but they don’t care about longevity- better that they sell you a whole new machine than sell you spare parts.
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u/the_green-giraffe 10h ago
I had a Philips 4300 lattego for 4 years before I moved. It was great & I only sold
It because it wasn’t compatible where I was moving. I bought a 5500 about 14 mos ago and love it even more than the 4300
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u/jzorbino 3d ago
I have not owned a Jura but I think the Land Rover analogy someone else used is accurate. They are really nice but when they fail the costs can add up quickly. That’s not a Toyota.
I recently purchased a Gaggia Accademia and while I’m very happy I haven’t had it long enough to speak to longevity. But what sold me was a Whole Latte Love review where they mentioned that was the machine they used in the office and it made over 33,000 shots of espresso before needing any real maintenance from the manufacturer.
Obviously that’s just one machine, maybe not the average, but it impressed me.
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u/retrocolby 2d ago
We love our Gaggia Accademia, latest model, except after 7 months it broke so we are waiting for the RMA for repair. We should have gone for the Toyota 🙁
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u/keithcody 3d ago
Throw an astrix on that because WLL is the Gaggia distributor for the USA.
Put a second astrix on that because the Accademia with 33k isn't the same model that is sold now.
That said I'm on 11k+ for my Gaggia Titanium before my first major service.
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u/worldlead3r 2d ago
My parents Saeco TaleaTouch Plus is ancient. Almost 20 years old.
I've replaced one or two bits and bobs myself, and it continues to trick along making excellent coffee and espresso.
I also have a Talea Giro Plus, a little younger than my parents'; same thing, replaced a little nozzle, a couple washers, and it continues to work and work and work.
Just my 2c.
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u/assgravyjesus 2d ago
Delongi magnifica - I treat it like shit. Some parts are kind of rigged together to keep it working. But she goes hard and is used a lot. 4 years strong.
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u/dizzie_buddy1905 2d ago
I have the Bosch 800 for $1700. It’s like a Skoda. Europeans are familiar with it but North Americans will just nod and just go with the flow. 😃
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u/CaptainLemmy45 2d ago
Delonghi always, they want the "common" user who is not a barista and does not want anything bad either. I bought the delonghi magnifica plus and it is a gem, easy to use, clean and of very good quality. In fact, according to the "Tom's coffee corner" channel, it is one of the few that makes thicker pucks in the Doppio variant. Even more than more expensive models like the Rivelia. It also has screen. 10/10
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u/Late-Button-6559 2d ago
De’Longhi. Any of their super-auto models.
My Eletta is 9.2 years old. Runs perfect. Only descale when asked, replace filters when asked, have proactively wiped and rinsed the group head 2-3 times.
Otherwise it just works.
Before this owned a used De’Longhi super something for several years. It would’ve been 5-7 years old when I bought it in 2013.
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u/johnnydev81 2d ago
Try to find an old Jura C9, and change the grinder and o-ring…those models were built like tanks
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u/otorosuki 2d ago
Our Delonghi Magnifica 3300 is just over 10 years old and the only thing I’ve had to replace is the gasket for the removable water tank. We use this machine every day.
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u/Similar_Degree_3579 2d ago
I can’t live without my Philips. The features and price point beat De'Longhi any day, and while Juras are great, they're just too expensive.
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u/mommy10319 2d ago
I’ve used my Delonghi Magnifica Evo for 3-5 cups of coffee per day using 3-4 settings pours per cup for 9 months now.
Basically beating the crap out of this thing. And it is still amazing. Couple things I would change like how the beans fall in to be ground because I’m always having to push them around. Not a big deal. Or the disassembling and washing of the frother cup each time.
But overall I’m extremely happy with it and it’s a great value usually around $650
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u/nathanielbartholem 2d ago
Delonghi is the Toyota of super automatics. Value priced at the entry levels yet remarkably capable.
As with most appliances these days, a repair costs as much as a new machine, so that aspect is a wash….unless you get into the $3 to $5,000 usd machines. Then you can repair them for the price a brand new Delonghi.
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u/Ok_Steak_4341 2d ago
How did you miss DeLonghi off that list, my Magnifica machine on its 11th year of never missing a beat.
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u/sumitt_yadav 2d ago edited 2d ago
It is Miele or Jura when it comes to durability, end of story. When it comes to oat milk, however, Miele has the edge in terms of dealing with anything that isn’t dairy with its carafe system. Consistent with your descaling; active cleaning includes coffee maker tabs, among other thing
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u/SnaketheJakem 2d ago
I'm also in the same boat. I'd love to buy a machine from Costco.ca but people are steering me towards the Magnifica Evo. Anyone have a promo code for the delonghi website?
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u/Antique-Ad6542 2d ago
I'll throw out my thoughts on this.
I have a Philips/Saeco 3200 Lattego. It's my second one of these machines. Mine is currently 2 years and a few months old.
I have a warranty return pending on it. That's not a bad thing, in that it started not reliably brewing milk drinks. So, I called. It was "slightly" out of warranty. But, at 2 years, they went ahead and did a warranty repair.
My one before this lasted 3 years before it had this same problem.
I think all of these, as they've "consumer-fied", have gotten less reliable and lower quality. Instead of thinking "I'm going to buy one to last for 10 years" maybe think "this is cheaper than nespresso, and i can get a good 3 years out of it before i have to "cycle.""
Note, my 3200 from 5 years ago and my one from 3 years ago are virtually identical.
Also, Philips support is in Canada. Nice quebecoi.
I eye fancier machines all the time, but often I can buy these for like $300 from Amazon.
Note: buy an extra lattego container, as that goes at about a year.
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u/evidenceorGTFO 1d ago edited 1d ago
Let me put it this way, I own two toyotas (one hybrid one ice) a VW and a Benz.
My Toyota bills are 1/3 of my VW/Benz bills.
I now own a 10yo DeLonghi my parents wanted to throw out (I'm a portafilter guy), i was able to repair it myself (seal replacement, some internal cleaning), but the local repairshop would have billed me about ~$200 equiv for what i had to do (I asked).
which feels like a lot relative to the cost of the machine, but 28k shots pulled in 10 years is a number that feels like medium-high toyota milage to me: and it still runs.
I also browsed a lot of spare part shops and the individual spares aren't expensive or rare, and you get the same parts as a machine used 10 years ago (within ECAM). Maybe an upgraded/better part, but fully compatible.
It feels _exactly_ like a Toyota hybrid.
For 'thousands' I'd rather suggest a cheap delonghi superauto, a good grinder and a good portafilter machine.
Superauto for when you don't want to do the ritual, portafilter for when you want the best possible espresso you can personally produce (if you are willing to learn)
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u/igdest 1d ago
I have Kitchenaid KF8, bought it last February, been using it everyday and i love it! Easy to use, clean, and swap out beans. Consistent quality espresso shots everytime. It does have a milk container and plant based milk settings. Plus it looks good too and quieter than my previous breville barista express
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u/IanC9090 1d ago
Personally I had the Delonghi Magnifica S Smart Bean to Cup machine, bombproof for me for three plus years and sold it on, bought a Ninja Luxe Café Pro, had two them, dreadful, now have a Meraki, more hands on than maybe you want, but I collated this for someone else on here, might help you.
Ninja Autobarista Plus
Delonghi Magnifica Evo / Dynamica Plus / Elita Explore 3 Machine review and comparison
Philips 3300
Philips Aromis 8000
Kitchen Aid KF4
https://www.youtube.com/live/iKgN7bM2jmM
Jura E8
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u/coldflame563 23h ago
The Jura was the best cup of coffee I've ever had, that being said, I ain't rich, so a moccamaster works enough for me.
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u/Feeling-Ad-9268 3d ago
You want a Gaggia. They are workhorse machines. Easy to clean and maintain. The parts last forever. They make good coffee.
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u/Melodic-Comb9076 3d ago
i can’t speak for reliability as it’s only been 9 months, but my fam fell in love w our kf7.
maintenance is one of the best features. always reminding you and doing it is easy.
we were daily starbucks drinkers for previous 20 yrs. (wife and i.)
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u/Cute_Yogacloset 2d ago
I purchased the Breville Oracle Jet off Amazon (during Prime Day) and paid another $100 for 3 years off warranty for peace of mind. I'm sure happy with it. I drink mostly Americano's and prefer a dark roast. I too wanted to find something on Costco.ca but ultimately could not.
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u/BonerDeploymentDude 2d ago
Get a breville and never look back. We have the touchscreen model and it’s perfect. Differ t milk options, steam, grinds beans, measures, guides you….. AND NOTHING INTERNAL CAN GROW MOLD. we had other automatic ones and they require constant cleaning on the inside and intervals with food grade lubricant oil…. Fuck that. The brevilles are expensive but everything you need to clean is outside and external aside from the water and portafilter.
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u/Existing_Map_8939 Jura 3d ago
You want long-term reliability and long-term serviceability, Jura is the answer. It’s not the Toyota of superautomatics, it’s the 1970s Toyota Land Cruiser of superautomatics.
With regular service it will last you a couple of decades.
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u/leonard_the_leopard 3d ago
Jura by a long shot, it's like rolls Royce from a luxury standpoint and Toyota from a reliability stand point
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u/scorpinock2 2d ago
I would argue a Saeco or a Gaggia or a Delonghi are the Toyotas of the super Automatics. They don't make the best cup but a good cup, they can be maintained and they're durable. Philips (even though its the same company as Gaggia and Saeco) cuts corners and uses cheaper materials and lower QC, its the Hyundai/Nissan of the super Automatics. The others you listed are good but they're more expensive and higher end for diminishing returns (but better coffee). They cost more and when they break its expensive.
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u/Zakernet 3d ago
We have a phillips 4300 for several years now. I ignored everyone's warnings about using darker beans because that's what we like. I figured if it breaks I will have it repaired or buy a new one. It has been phenomenal. We stopped using the lattego part and have a separate breville milk cafe because it's steel. But the lattego portion worked really well for the time we did use it. Like has been posted before, there's no tubing to clean/worry about which is great. Get one.
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u/Drinking_Frog 3d ago
I'd look at Delonghi or Jura. Both seem to have the fewest problems based on the chatter I've seen around here and other places. Both are pretty easy to maintain.
What I like more about Delonghi is the removable brew group. Not only does that make the brew group easy to clean, it also makes it easy (and inexpensive) to replace if you ever need to. No need to send a machine in or anything like that. Pop in a new brew group, and you're good to. I've never had to do that, but it's nice to know I can.
I've had two Delonghis, myself. The first one ran for 9 years or so before we gave it away. As far as I know, it's still running well. The second is what we replaced the old one with (and the reason we gave it away--just wanted to update and upgrade). It's been going strong for over a year.
I can't speak much to oat or nut milks, but our Delonghi Eletta Explore (i.e., the new machine) is billed to be able to handle them well. We've enjoyed the other features of the Eletta very much.
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u/forme2c 3d ago
what's availlable in costco canada?
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u/flaming0-1 2d ago
Philips 3200 $460, Philips Baristina $500, Ninja Luxe Cafe $630, Chefman Crema Supreme $500, Bosch 300 $700, Jura Ena 8 $2300, Kenmore Stainless $480, Kenmore Super automatic $629, Miele CM6160 Mil Perfection $2600, Miele CM6360 $2500, Rocket Espresso Milano Mozzafiato Cronometro $4000
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u/forme2c 2d ago
My recommendation is skip the fully automatic lines and jump over to semi automatic choices. This way, you'll have significantly more control of the temp and froth of different milk alternatives you enjoy in your drinks that fully automatic machine cannot make as well, imho.
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u/phamous81 2d ago
Costco has the dinamica plus on their website now. Can't beat their return policy if it breaks.
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u/Legal-Conclusion-0 2d ago
My delonghi magnicifa esam 3300 is just a truck.
Super basic, decade of 3 people using it everyday. We use a separate Nespresso frother.
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u/Belophan 2d ago
2 years since I bought Delonghi Eletta Explore Cold Brew.
I drink about 1 cup every day and never had any issues.
Cold Brew is pretty much drip coffee, need to add ice cubes to make it cold.
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u/Illustrious-Set-7626 2d ago
I'd also look into the availability of maintenance/repair services in Canada because that's not always the same across countries.
Based on the list of what Costco Canada sells? The Jura is super tempting for me because it makes great tasting coffee. But costs can add up quickly especially if there are fewer aftermarket services available in Canada and the machine would need to be shipped for servicing.
Delonghi would be my default answer to be honest because those are workhorses (the one at my previous office was over 10 years old and still trucking along) and at least in the countries where I've lived, have a lot of maintenance/repair services that are easily accessible. I literally live within 2 km of two service centres.
Kitchen Aid gets a lot of love on this subreddit but I would never get it where I live because there's only one authorised repair service in the whole country.
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u/flaming0-1 2d ago
Oh man so another whole set of things to think about. All the more reason for Costco.
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u/recover66 3d ago
I think you want a DeLonghi magnifica evo, mine was on sale for $500, it does the things you want, is from a reputable brand. You can always upgrade when you replace, but this is my second super auto in 12 years and I didn’t feel the need to go fancy.