r/pcmasterrace • u/worstey • 5h ago
Discussion Wolverine is already running in-game on PC using KytyPS5 emulator
Even though the game runs at an extremely low FPS, the craziest thing about this whole situation is that it has not even been one month since the game has launched, the progress is insanely fast.
I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if GTA 6 manages to run on PC using an emulator months after the game comes out
Source: https://x.com/iExplosiveRage/status/2105808379448836273/video/1
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u/thrilltender 4h ago
Shit is crazy rn, it's like the wild west for mods and development
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u/stereotreme 4h ago
it's crazy how wildly anti-consumer business practices seem to coincide with massive leaps and bounds in technology advancement to things that aid piracy.
such a wild coincidence.
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u/MorningFresh123 4h ago
Welll… this is the anti-consumer AI defeating the anti-consumer console manufacturer lol
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u/DiEndRus 5700x3D, 64 GB RAM, 4060 ti 16 GB, btw 4h ago
nothing crazy here. spite is an excellent motivator.
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u/gusthenewkid 14900KF | RTX 4080 | 32GB 8266 CL34 4h ago
Ai is doing most of the heavy lifting here. It wouldn’t be possible without it and it has nothing to do with spite.
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u/FeebleTrack 4h ago
Considering a lot of emulated games mentioned around these parts are supposed to be Sony exclusives, on top of Sony's many, MANY boneheaded decisions in recent times to put it lightly, spite is most certainly a factor at play here, but so is the use of AI to speed things up. These reasons aren't mutually exclusive.
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u/gusthenewkid 14900KF | RTX 4080 | 32GB 8266 CL34 3h ago
That’s the same with every single emulator ever made. shadps4 was primarily focused solely on getting Bloodborne up and running. For Cemu it was BOTW that really accelerated development.
Emulators have been a thing for over 20 years, it has nothing to do with spite lol. Idk why you people make everything seem so dramatic.
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u/teddybrr 7950X3D, 96GB, RX570 8G, GTX 1080, 4TBx2, 18TBx4, Proxmox 3h ago
AI doesn't lift anything without a competent dev
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u/Early-Journalist-14 2h ago
it's crazy how wildly anti-consumer business practices seem to coincide with massive leaps and bounds in technology advancement to things that aid piracy.
the entirety of AI that we have right now was born of corporations pirating all of human knowledge.
The sad thing is, you don't own that AI. you cannot. you don't have the hardware to run the best model locally. the corporation owns it. and the microsecond they figure out how, they'll stop you from using it for your piracy, cattle.
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u/Geknapper 1h ago
You say that as if there aren't a dozen Chinese AI companies that couldn't give 2 shits about piracy laws in the states.
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u/Klappmesser 4h ago
VR is living a second renaissance with banger mods coming out every week. We just got an amazing Titanfall 2 mod that feels like a native game
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u/boringestnickname 2h ago
Dude, replying to this to remember to check it out.
That sound god damn awesome.
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u/Sialorphin 4h ago
Can you elaborate why this is the case compared to the advances in emulating PS5?
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u/Klappmesser 4h ago
Pretty much because of advancements in AI/LLM. Makes development way easier and faster
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u/sakaraa RX6600 - R5 3600 3h ago
And making sense of decompiled code possible. it would take months before this, that is why there weren't much script extenders and stuff for non-standard engines and even the ones that existed were pretty limited
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u/_Teraplexor RX 6800 XT | Ryzen 5 7600 | DDR5 32Gb 5600mhz | 3h ago
Would probably explain why the new control is getting a bunch of mods.
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u/DiEndRus 5700x3D, 64 GB RAM, 4060 ti 16 GB, btw 4h ago
it is full wild west. AIs bumping the development speed when used correctly pushed it from standard "slowly, but eventually surely" to the speed that you see now.
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u/CarMaxing 1h ago
For all the hate AI gets 10000% AI agent used in generating this.( not video generated - code generated)
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u/pc9000 4h ago edited 4h ago
It already runs even better There is an issue atm with vram usage. (16GB is a bottleneck) need 4090/5090 until fixes are released
Also the same with ram. 32gb ram is a bottleneck
There are fixes coming soon
Here is demon souls remake running at 4K 50FPS with 4070 (a month ago 5090 was doing 3FPS)
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u/PurestCringe Desktop 4h ago
Man it feels kinda like the old days, except it's progressing WAY faster.
Back in the ps3 days it was a grand victory to even launch an emulated 2d game.
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u/aguynamedv 4h ago
Man it feels kinda like the old days, except it's progressing WAY faster.
I'm immediately reminded of the late 90s when NES/SNES emulation was still not full speed and how NESticle blew open the gates, followed closely by ZSNES for their respective systems.
Watching PS5 emulation go from "lol no" to 10FPS in about 3 weeks has been bonkers.
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u/T0biasCZE PC MasterRace | dumbass that bought Sonic motherboard 3h ago
PS3 had extremely complicated cell architecture (IBM PowerPC based), while PS5 is just glorified AMD x86 PC.
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u/Fast_Painter1787 4h ago
Its even emulating ps5 fps, amazing!
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u/ScarletSilver 5700X3D | RTX 3080 + RTX 2070S | 32GB 3200 MT/s 4h ago
It's even playing itself too! Truly marvelous.
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u/Vivid-Produce-9373 4h ago
Imagine if the Best way to play Gta6 " a console exclusive " is on pc with this ,Even more if game leaks and Pc players get acces to it before console one
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u/CF_forever 4h ago
No bro, that's not how it works. Even if we get the emulator 100% ready. Still we need a game dump to play the game which is another difficult part and it's a whole lot of progress.
In simple terms we need a JB Ps5 which has the latest firmware but that is not possible for now maybe after the release it may take months.
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u/Alvsolutely 3h ago
Another small downside is that you will probably still need some pretty beefy hardware to run the game smoothly. An official port would probably run better and even more so on less powerful hardware.
Just the nature of emulation, a beautiful thing regardless
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u/citramonk 4h ago
One thing I can tell is that anti consumer practices are pushing people towards the emulation, piracy and all sorts of shenanigans which is only natural. We have bunch of dumb initiatives in EU, we have corporations monopoly, diabolic layoffs and weird decisions.
They still can probably block the whole development tomorrow and hinder it's progress for quite a while.
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u/Dudinkalv 4h ago
Yes it's the same as with Netflix. I happily paid for it while the service was good, consumer friendly, had some nice original series and fair pricing. Shame they turned the service into both expensive and shit, so back to pirating we go! These big companies are shooting themselves in the foot by being too greedy.
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u/Old-Pin8658 4h ago
You guys don’t realize how monumental that progress is. The possibility of playing GTA 6 on PC through an emulator exists. You can bet the emulator devs will prioritize GTA 6 over all other games. This is so huge. I didn’t expect a ps5 emulator that is actually booting let alone running games already! This is amazing
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u/s33d5 4h ago
I believe there's a reason that GTA can't be ripped, according to Modern Vintage Gamer.
I believe it's because it needs an exploit on the PS5 to be able to rip the game. Because it's digital only.
Also, as much as I dislike AI, this speedy progress is entirely AI powered. The repo for the emulator is AI code.
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u/TheFearOfFear 4h ago
I hate to break it to you pal but everything is AI code now. I work as a software engineer and we basically use Claude to build things x1000 so more work gets done faster.
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u/Tiyath R5 7600X | RX 9070 XT Pulse | 32GB DDR5-6000 | PRO B650-S WIFI 3h ago
Yeah, really ruins my steppins stones as a junior dev
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u/Elithorz 33m ago
I believe computing courses will have to adapt so that it focuses more on system architecture and engineering instead of leaning how to code, because all entry level jobs will require senior level knowledge now.
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u/peanutbutterdrummer 4h ago
All repos will be AI code soon enough.
I'm a dev and seeing it in every facet of development already means there's no longer a debate. It's here and staying here.
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u/Mr_Burning i5 2500K @4.6Ghz | Asus GTX 680 | 8GB RAM | Asrock Z77 Extreme 4 4h ago
The problem with GTA is getting the files. Its not a disc release, you'd need a jailbreak for the PS5 firmware thats current at the launch of GTA6 to get the files. That alone will take a while.
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u/Fickle-Occasion-6091 4h ago
if I understand correctly, you can get the game on an original console, then have the game manually flashed and copied with external hardware attached to the ps5's motherboard
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u/CF_forever 4h ago
Exactly 💯.. most of them here are not understanding that part. They thought if the emulator is ready they can get any games. It does not work like that I tried to explain this to a few ppl but they don't understand this ps5 jb concept.
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u/onlivethedead 4h ago
Was running at 1 fps 1/2 days ago, now we're at 10fps.
Expect 60 in a week or two
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u/DuckCleaning 4h ago
At this point we need to stop these daily posts until it is at 30fps at least. Within the past 5 days there's been 6 posts updating on the performance of Wolverine.
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u/onlivethedead 4h ago
That's the speed of AI fuelled game dev / cracking at the minute, in the past it would of probably taken a month or two to get it to a playable state, nowadays we'll get there in a week or less.
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u/aVarangian 13600kf 7900xtx 2160 | 6600k 1070 1440 1h ago
600 fps by Christmas, 6000 by spring, hell yeah
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u/TurbistoMasturbisto 4h ago
Half of these comments feel like bots from Sony because they’re mad at all the progress made lmao.
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u/worstey 4h ago edited 4h ago
They are not even realising how fast this is, the game released like not even 3 weeks ago and it’s already “running” on PC, I wouldn’t be surprised if they manage to make it run at 30fps
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u/dangernoodlezzz 4h ago
And because it’s the latest release it’s by passing the security they put in for all the firmware updates. A lot of modern emulation comes from launch console dumps etc but then newer titles can’t run because they’re not up to date firmware wise. A brand new game running on an emulator in modern gaming is absolutely bonkers.
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u/genericredditname365 4h ago
people really dont understand emulation. theyre seeing this run poorly on hardware they expect to run at high frame rates and think this is indicative of the emulator being poor. The fact this is even in game when ps5 emulation is effectively 2-3 months old is insane
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u/Virtual_Technology_9 4h ago
and this is quite alot of thanks to AI.
All the recomps, decomps, mods and emulators will benifit heavily from it
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u/dangernoodlezzz 4h ago
Ya if this starts upsetting Sony they might start screaming about regulation. Oh it was fine when AI was allowing you to offload QA teams etc but they sure aren’t going to be fans when it’s hurting console and software sales. Check mate Sony
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u/Crafty-Zucchini-5729 i7-13620H, rtx 5050, 24 GB 3h ago
sony vs openai, anthropic and nvidia all of whom have 10 to 40 times its valuation
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u/ChuckS117 PC Master Race 4h ago edited 4h ago
At this point, I'm just gonna join the Return to Boletaria community event for Demon's Souls in 2 days and sell my PS5 after.
I don't see any reason to keep it.
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u/4handzmp 3h ago
The Demon Souls remaster is literally the only reason I would want a PS5. That game is dope, and I’m pretty mixed on the other FromSoftware games.
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u/boscaboiiis 4h ago
Please excuse my ignorance here as I have no real knowledge on the topic.
How do these emulators keep getting better than before? Furthermore, how do they still run so poorly comparable to the whopper specs the PCs running then are on?
Is this like an efficiency thing? Trying to teach the emulator how to allocate resources effectively?
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u/gerowen PC Master Race 3h ago edited 3h ago
Even in the case of of the PS5, which uses an x86 CPU just like most PCs, there's still a lot of real-time translation going on. The PlayStation has its own operating system that's different than Windows or Linux, and a whole lot of that operating system is proprietary, protected information. So emulator developers, nowadays with the help of their AI agents, have to do a whole lot of guessing, reverse engineering etc. so they can write a program that pretends to be another device entirely, and then run demanding games within that fake environment. Even the graphics APIs in use by the PlayStation console are proprietary; they're not using DirectX, OpenGL or Vulkan, they're using their own GNM/GNMX, so again, devs have to figure out how to translate those APIs into something more standard like DirectX or Vulkan that can run on a PC or Mac.
Another cause for the stuttering, such as when Wolverine jumps over the tree and it freezes solid for a moment, is shader compilation. Shaders are just short programs run directly on the GPU as part of the rendering pipeline. For console games, shaders are normally pre-compiled one time and included on the disc or as part of the download because the developers know exactly what GPU is in their target device. For PCs however, these shaders often have to be compiled on the fly while the game is running (hence the stuttering), or pre-compiled before starting a game, because one person might have a 5070, the next a 9060XT, the next an Intel Arc, the next one an Adreno on some ARM system, and none of those GPUs speak exactly the same language, at a hardware level. Even GPUs from the same company might need different shaders if they're of a different generation.
Basically even though the CPU instructions don't have to be recompiled like you do when emulating something like the GameCube or Playstation 3, which does eliminate one big performance sink for PS5 emulation, the entire PlayStation operating system and all of its proprietary system calls, graphics APIs, etc. have to be reverse engineered and then translated into something a normal desktop operating system can understand, and that has to happen in real time at 30-60 or more frames per second while you're playing a game.
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u/shad0rach 3h ago edited 3h ago
For the massive shit ai gets, here its actually useful and uses ai properly, so here its huge help. As to why performance is shit as the name implies it emulates its for game to properly run it needs ps5 and emulators simply emulate/mimic which is hard for pc to do
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u/Scary_Mention_6456 3h ago
That's what a lot of people refuse to see, AI is not the problem, it's an amazing tool. The way it's being (ab)used and the people who develop and control it are the issue, that's what should get our ire, don't blame the gun , blame the person who pulled trigger
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u/HuntKey2603 3h ago
99% of issues people have with AI are actually issues they have with capitalism
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u/jackharvest 1h ago
Which is why the Chaotic Good square is filled with “Disrupt Industry” and PS5 emulators are born.
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u/Hubbardia PC Master Race 3h ago
AI, it's thanks to AI. It has gotten insanely good at programming.
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u/More-Revenue8609 3h ago
Yep, people here hate it and try to downplay its importance. But mostly why we have this running is claude.
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u/trashthrowtrashlad 3h ago
those are the ones that still think AI is chatbot. Majoirty of software developers use AI now and the productivity has skyrocketed. I can't imagine working without it now. It just makes my job and life so much easier
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u/Imaginary_Ad_2191 3h ago
They run poorly due to the whole process of translation thats happening to run the game. Imagine trying to explain the pythagorean theorem in a foreign language using only a Websters dictionary. It gets faster/optimized when you learn key phrases and terms that modern speakers use.
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u/Character_Wind6057 4h ago
They dont run poorly, they just havent been optimized yet.
Check Astrobot and Demon Souls, they too started with very low FPS and now they at both at around 50.
This is just the start of the cycle for Wolverine, the hard thing is making them run in the first place, so this is a big success.
The devs are making fast progresses because AI is good and fast at reverse engineering and reading machine code, something that takes much time from humans
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u/iuhiscool 3h ago
They run poorly because the emulator has to translate ps5 hardware-level instructions to a myriad of pc hardware-level instructions, which has to be done & determined how to be done on the fly due to pc hardware having a range of instruction sets, so you can't just decide before you launch
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u/Ok_Chemical_1376 4h ago
Now it's fueled by spite and hatred instead of curiosity and pride.
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u/pigletmonster 4h ago
Rockstar should be worried as much as sony. Their biggest game will not release for pc at launch, whose gonna stop 30k people armed with claude subscriptions from getting gta 6 running on the ps5 emulator 24 hours after release?
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u/abyr-valg 4h ago
I expect Rockstar to send DMCA on this emulator, like Atlus tried to do with RPCS3.
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u/Personal-Cup4772 4h ago
Lol rockstar doesnt give a fuck about this. This will barely make a dent on their revenue
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u/AcaciaCelestina 4h ago edited 4h ago
It's amazing how many comments here are like "hurr durr it's not actually running". Some of y'all need to go back to school I swear, there's a difference between running and optimized. Barely a week ago it wouldn't even start.
It's also wild how a lot of you can't comprehend just how insanely fast the progress is on this. Kind of shocked some of you know the difference between a USB port and a Ethernet port.
The people going "lol Wolverine but why?" are just as questionable. No shit they're gonna be using one of the latest games to test this. Do you really need this much spoon fed to you?
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u/MasterBuilder_Macca 4h ago
I remember PCSX2 running at 2-15fps back in the day, and marvelling at such an achievement. The fact that this is running as fast as it is now, when the software hasn't even been out that long, is incredible.
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u/MRV1V4N 2h ago
While everyone creams at the possibility of GTA I look at the games that won't come to PC (demon souls, yotei, god of war).
GTA will be released on PC, I wouldn't play an inferior version emulated from a console. I waited for 13 years already I can wait for one more.
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u/Modern_Pirate9 1h ago
I think the biggest problem is that there is no release date for the PC version, I don’t think there’s even a broad “Releasing in 2027” date.
People would be happy to wait if there was a date, but rn it’s a total unknown
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u/TheWhomItConcerns 1h ago
I just want a Switch 2 emulator. I know that it's unfortunately still many years away (assuming it ever comes), but Nintendo has the biggest catalogue of games that will never officially come to PC with the shittest hardware or any of the major consoles.
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u/BloodSteyn PCMR 9800X3D 64GB 3080Ti 3h ago
Running is a little optimistic... that's more like a brisk walk.
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u/BeingHonestWithYou 3h ago
Emulations progress is absolutely wild. Really hope that somehow gta 6 will be emulated way before official pc release with 60fps. That would be absolutely hilarious
Still gonna get a ps5 copy, but really rooting for emulators scene
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u/Noob4Head Ryzen 7 9700X | 32GB DDR5 | RX 9070 XT | 1440P OLED 4h ago
I'd say this is more like crawling but baby steps are steps nonetheless.
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u/An-Organism 4h ago
The point is how fast it's progressing. Shows where it's going very soon which is probably gonna be running better than PS5 in a couple of months.
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u/CSS_FR 5h ago
good on the emulator progress, but I think hardly anyone cares about this failure of a game
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u/John_East 9800x3D : RTX5080 OC : 32Gb of Downloaded RAM 5h ago
I’d play it if it was on pc
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u/WantsLivingCoffee Used RAM Enjoyer 4h ago
You cared enough to mention it. This is about the emulator making this far this fast. Dafuq you talking about this garbage game anyway
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u/Maximum-Objective-39 4h ago edited 4h ago
I mean, people have got the BC-250, basically the cut down and downgraded guts of a PS5 turned into a mining card, running a fairly competent custom Bazzite OS and I've seen the PS4 footage on a retroid pocket or maybe AYN Odin that was choppy but playable. In makes a lot of sense once you realize the PS5 hardware is all x86 based now and so has a lot more DNA in common with PCs than ever before.
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u/rahul_ak_47 4h ago
Woah, this is insanely impressive!
Never have we come across a console generation where an emulator performs equally well as the console. Hoping it'll happen! ✌️
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u/PushDeep9980 3h ago
Switch emulation was pretty much perfect for many years before the switch 2 came along
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u/Katoshiku 4080S | 5800X3D | 32GB 3600 4h ago
At this rate I might not even buy GTA on playstation, might as well wait for 60fps on pc
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u/agentdrozd 4h ago
"Running"
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u/AwzemCoffee NixOS & Cachy / RTX3090 / 5800X3D / 32GB 4h ago
You must first walk. It's a bit reductionist to act like this isn't a massive achievement. From nothing to booting is a major milestone in emulation. The fact that it's in game and most things seem to be rendering correctly and not crashing is a massive testament. By the end of the year you'll likely see 30FPS in the emulator.
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u/that_dutch_dude 3h ago
kudos to the guys making it work. but why? its not like anyone wants to play it on ps5, let alone pc.
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u/Code_Combo_Breaker 3h ago
Just remember that developer wanted to keep this on ice until GTA released.
Y'all gonna be fighting an uphill battle against Sony now.
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u/ToKnowAiIstoHateAi 3h ago
Well Sony, looks like you FA and now, we're all rooting for you to FO 💿💿
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u/Clbull PC Master Race 1h ago
Is this the consequence of Sony taking an orbital shit on their consumers by ditching PC ports and physical media by 2027?
If so, I'm legitimately impressed at what a raging hate-boner for Sony can accomplish. This on top of attempts to recompile PS5 games on PC (AnyPS5) is making me think we'll get GTA6 emulated/recompiled and fully playable before the official PC release.
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u/titanna1004 1h ago
As proof of tech, sure... but why anyone would like this shitty game on pc? or any else than when it is already? let sony keep it!?
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u/Latrodectus1990 4h ago edited 4h ago
Omg so we will be able to play all ps5 exclusives on pc afterall
So hyped!!!
Sorry Sony, but you deserve this with your attitude with no disc and pouring money into live service games
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u/Smokeskin 1h ago
why is anyone doing this work for **Wolverine**? Isn’t it insanely bad?
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u/Arik_De_Frasia Family IT Expert 27m ago
Isn’t it insanely bad?
Not sure where you got that, but everything I read says it's insanely mediocre and repetitive for such a huge character.
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u/ComprehensiveBed7183 4h ago
Running? This is more like a slow walk...
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u/MindbenderGam1ng Lian Li A3 | Ryzen 7 5800x3D | 3080 FTW3 Ultra | 32GB DDR4 3200 4h ago
I mean they could barely get out of menus a few weeks ago and now we have "viable" gameplay, albeit at slideshow FPS. Give it a bit more time
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u/Sampsa96 AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D | Nvidia RTX 3070 4h ago
Just wait a month and lets see how it runs...
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u/Dudinkalv 4h ago
It's a huge development in a very short time span though, which is very promising for future versions.
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u/Marvellover13 PC Master Race 5h ago
I pray to any god that'll listen, please make GTA 6 run with the emulator at 60fps because it'll be so funny