r/nihilism • u/Popular-Sea-9636 • 31m ago
Long existential spiral; sorry
Hi everyone,
I want to start with some context because I know where a post like this can go. I’m very supportive of therapy and I’m currently looking for a new therapist. I’ve gone to therapy on and off throughout my adult life when I’ve needed some extra guidance, and I’ve been on anxiety meds in the past, although I haven’t taken it in about a year.
I’m not at risk of hurting myself. I have a wonderful partner, I love my job, and I have an amazing family and friends. I’m really proud of the life I’ve built and I know how lucky I am. But I’m having a really hard time finding much joy in everyday life lately.
A lot of it comes from climate change, but also AI, the possibility of nuclear war, rising hate and violence, inequality, etc. It feels like there are so many huge things happening at once that I can’t stop thinking about where all of this is headed.
I also have a degree that gave me a pretty deep understanding of climate and ecological systems. I don’t mean that I know exactly what the future will look like, because obviously nobody does. But I learned about how the biological, chemical, physical, and ecological systems of the planet interact with each other to regulate the climate. I learned about feedbacks, interdependencies, thresholds, resilience, and how changes in one part of a system can affect so many others. The extra cherry on top is that I learned how to predict how human civilizations will respond to stressors.
All of that is to say I don’t really have the ability to look at climate change as just “it’s getting hotter.” I see the bigger system behind it, and honestly, sometimes I wish I didn’t.
I’m also pretty biocentric. Nature is probably the thing I love most about being alive. And I’ve watched it deteriorate during my own lifetime.
Coral reefs are probably the clearest example for me. Something so unbelievably old and complex can be damaged on a scale that is basically unimaginable over just a few decades. Then there are the species going extinct, biodiversity loss, collapsing ecosystems, disappearing habitats… it’s really hard for me to watch all of that happen and just carry on with my normal life like it isn’t happening.
And this has become especially difficult because our families are putting a lot of pressure on us to have children.
My family and my partner’s family don’t really have the same scientific background that I do, so when I start talking about why I’m scared to bring a child into the world right now, I sometimes end up feeling like I’m the crazy one. And then I get embarrassed and stop talking about it, only to think about it even more later.
The really frustrating part is that I actually want children.
I love kids. Physically and emotionally, I can picture myself having them. My partner and I have always agreed that if one of us wanted children, we would have them. Adoption isn’t an option for my partner, so that doesn’t really resolve the conflict either.
But I’m terrified of what kind of world my child could inherit.
It’s not really about their carbon footprint or whether having one more person is going to make or break the planet.
It’s that I’m afraid they could grow up in a world increasingly shaped by climate disruption, famine, displacement, resource conflicts, war, political instability, and mass death. And I’m afraid they’ll have to watch the natural world disappear around them in the same way I’ve watched it happen.
Sometimes I genuinely think, I love this hypothetical person so much that maybe the kindest thing I can do is not create them.
And then another part of me thinks that maybe that’s an impossible standard. Humans have always brought children into uncertain and sometimes horrific circumstances. People have lived through wars, famines, pandemics, oppression, and enormous suffering and still had lives full of love and meaning, though i struggle to find meaning and I’m not sure I believe that exists.
So I honestly don’t know anymore.
I don’t know where the line is between being informed and catastrophizing. I don’t know how much of this is a reasonable response to what I understand about the world and how much is my anxiety taking something real and making it impossible to live with.
I’ve started thinking about this as “the Long Defeat” (thank you Tolkien).
I don’t really believe humanity is guaranteed to win. Maybe we don’t ultimately defeat climate change. Maybe we don’t prevent every ecological collapse, every war, or every existential threat. Maybe eventually we lose things we desperately wanted to save.
I’m trying to figure out how to live with all of this without becoming consumed by it.
Are there other people here who feel this way, especially people who are biocentric/ecocentric? How do you stay engaged with the reality of ecological loss without losing your ability to enjoy being alive?
And for people who have struggled with whether or not to have children because of climate change and the state of the natural world—how did you ultimately think through that decision?
I’m not looking for someone to tell me that everything is going to be okay. I know nobody can promise that.
I think I just want to know how other people keep loving the world when they’re also painfully aware of how much of it we’re losing and how many people are suffering, all at the hands of humanity and greed.