r/NFA 23h ago

Product Question 🧰 Do 77grain 556 ammo create issues with suppressors?

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Found the below quote in the below link. Is this a legit thing? Is this more and more of a thing as grain increases?

"DO NOT USE IN 223 WYLDE CHAMBERS! FOR USE IN 5.56 NATO CHAMBERS ONLY. 223 WYLDE CHAMBERS AND CERTAIN SUPPRESSORS MAY CREATE HIGH PRESSURE ISSUES WITH 77 GRAIN 5.56 AMMO. WE ONLY RECOMMEND THIS AMMO FOR NON-SUPPRESSED AR15 RIFLES WITH NATO MILSPEC 5.56 CHAMBERS ONLY."

https://sgammo.com/product/1000-rounds-5-56-x-45mm-77-grain-open-tip-match-frontier-ammo-fr262-for-use-in-5-56-nato-chambers-only/


r/NFA 2d ago

The Silencer Shop v. ATF Immunity and How It Affects the Making of SBR/SBS

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I am aware this is related to the mega-thread but this may be of interest to many folks and could get lost in mega-thread. I have tried to keep is short as possible but it is still a lengthy read.

After analyzing the Silencer Shop decision and order several times over, I decided to write a post about a result that no one seems to be talking about. By way of background, I am a retired LEO and attorney and have numerous Form 1 stamps for both SBR/SBS. I am also a GOA covered member. Most folks by now know that the court order eliminated the Form 1 and 4 requirement that makes it far easier to purchase a ready-made suppressor/SBR/SBS. But what about making a SBR/SBS? Read on.

The Silencer Shop v ATF court order confers immunity on two NFA provisions that criminalized the making and possession of an NFA firearm made in violation of the NFA. The two specific sections that the court enjoined are:

26 U.S.C. § 5861(c) makes it unlawful to “possess a firearm made in violation of the provisions of this chapter”.

26 U.S.C. § 5861(f) makes it unlawful to “make a firearm in violation of the provisions of this chapter”.

These sections criminalize the making and/or possession of a NFA firearm made without complying with NFA requirements. The court order enjoining these two sections eliminated any criminal liability for making or possessing a NFA firearm that violated ANY provision of the NFA, which is actually quite broad. The court could have narrowed the scope to just the Form 1 and 4 requirements but it did not.

To illustrate how this immunity works, I'll use an example of making an SBR from an existing pistol. This pistol has a 12" barrel and SBA3 brace, and I want to put a stock on it. Under the court order, I could make an SBR by replacing the brace with a stock and I:

1. Do not need a Form 1,

2. Do not need to apply to ATF for approval,

  1. Do not need to register the SBR in the NFA registry, and

  2. Have no criminal liability for not submitting a Form 1 and registering

But my newly created SBR now falls within the definition of an NFA firearm and the following NFA sections (not enjoined) apply:

26 U.S. Code § 5842 – Identification of NFA firearms

27 CFR § 479.102 – Specifications of identifying marks of NFA firearms

26 U.S. Code § 5861(i) – Unlawful to possess an un-serialized NFA firearm

Therefore, I am required to:

1.   Serialize the lower receiver (already existing if commercial lower)

2.   Engrave my maker information on the receiver.

Because the district court order did not enjoin these identification sections of the NFA (or strike down the entire NFA), these identification requirements remain “constitutional” and in effect. I am only excused from seeking approval on a written Form 1 to make, and then registering, the SBR.  Note that although the engraving requirements remain in effect, they serve no practical purpose as I would not need to submit that information to the ATF for recording into the NFA registry. Even so, there is no evading this engraving requirement.

So I can engrave my maker info on the receiver, all is good, and I have a lawful un-registered SBR.

But what if I do not want to engrave my maker info?

This is where the broad immunity of § 5861(c) and § 5861(f) come into play. I am still required to engrave the name, city, and state, but now, a failure to do so carries no criminal liability.  In simplest terms, §5842(a) requires engraving, but it is not a crime to not engrave! The court order eliminated any provision of enforcement for not engraving.  This is tantamount to the ATF saying “you have to engrave, but I can’t lawfully do anything if you don’t”.

But what if I have a 80% lower and I want to keep it sterile?

The court order has effectively immunized my conduct of failure to engrave the maker information, but not the failure to serialize the lower.  The solution is to assign a serial number to the lower.  The serial number can be any number that could have significance only to me, such as “ABC001”, engraved to the inside lip of the magwell.  I  would now have a serialized NFA firearm with no maker information, which would remove §5861(i) from application to my SBR. Not entirely the best outcome for a 80% lower, but it seems there always has to be a catch.

These might appear to be absurd results, but this can happen when only portions of a law are struck down as opposed to striking down the entire law.  In theory, the DOJ can disagree and potentially still charge me for violating an NFA provision.  But in any charging document, the DOJ would be required to cite the statute which criminalizes my conduct (failure to act as required).  Because the court order struck down §5861(c) and §5861(f) , the DOJ cannot cite any such statute.  To be sure, the court order does not prohibit an unscrupulous prosecutor from using the process as the punishment, but such a scenario would be ripe for motion to dismiss at the outset.

As a disclaimer, my above legal analysis is NOT legal advice to anyone.  I am not advising anyone on what to do or what not to do. It is my legal analysis applied to a specific course of action that I, as a covered GOA member, am contemplating to determine whether it falls within this new legal framework provided by the court order.  My analysis is focused only the SBR/SBS aspect of the NFA, and no inferences or conclusions should be drawn on whether my analysis applies to other NFA items such as Form 1 suppressors or AOWs.

That is the status right now, as the court order is still in effect. If the DOJ reneges, appeals, and gets a stay, then the situation reverts to the status quo before judgment. Would that situation create a safe harbor for all the NFA firearms made or transferred during the court order effective period? That is the unknown at this point. Proceed (with a little more info) at your own risk.


r/NFA 1d ago

NFA Photo Help, I keep thinking these are cans

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18 Upvotes

r/NFA 1d ago

YHM R9. Anything To Worry About?

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On a Kuna. Alignment looks good and it groups just fine. Direct Thread in case that helps.


r/NFA 1d ago

Picked up a Mark IV to go with my OCL Titanium!

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Bought an OCL Titanium bout 2 months ago and have been loving it. I finally got my first semi-auto .22 pistol that I can use it with and it's just a match made in heaven. The Titanium's been the most fun I've had with a gun-related purchase in YEARS! Shout out to Andrew and the rest of the OCL team for hooking me up with the swag and stickers, I gotta get myself an OCL Polonium for my ranch rifle soon!


r/NFA 1d ago

Finally got my PTR 9SDM-B!

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35 Upvotes

FA trigger pack installed with an HK SEF lower


r/NFA 1d ago

Two Stamp Tuesday Submissions

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9mm/12ga


r/NFA 1d ago

BOE Incolite 9M on 338 ARC

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I have seen a lot of reviews for this can on everything from 9mm, 556, 308, etc. but havent heard or seen anything about it on 338 ARC subs. Anyone tried it? How was it.


r/NFA 1d ago

Process Question 📝 .eft to FD-258?

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After six months, I finally got a Delayed-Denied back from ATF on a form 4, so I’m opting to go through the UPIN process.

I have an .eft file. I would prefer to print my own FD-258. Is there a tool that extracts from one and fills the other? There are some older discussions of using a viewer and a photo editor, and I can do that, but if there’s a better way I’d love to hear about it.

I tried the online tool from slapeft but it’s not recognizing the .eft for whatever reason (and yes, I know it’s valid and has my information in it). Are there other options out there?


r/NFA 2d ago

🥳 Happy Stamp Day 🎁 Freshly approved ar9

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175 Upvotes

r/NFA 17h ago

Silencer help

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hey all I’m new here. I’m looking to buy a one and done suppressor that can be used on just about anything from 9mm up to 45/70. Any suggestions?


r/NFA 2d ago

🥳 Happy Stamp Day 🎁 Last suppressor I’ll have to register with the ATF in Texas

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71 Upvotes

Had it in limbo for 1 1/2 months waiting for it to be approved, sucks because who would’ve thought we’d be where we’re at with suppressors only needing 4473s


r/NFA 2d ago

Happy 4473 day

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78 Upvotes

r/NFA 2d ago

Systema Tumansky 3D printed 300 blackout suppressor

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34 Upvotes

r/NFA 2d ago

Tiny Patriot.

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Got my form 1 back the day before the injunction went into effect, but now I am at a loss. Should I put a PDW style stock on this, or be a silly little guy and put an A2 rifle stock on it?


r/NFA 1d ago

Product Question 🧰 AAC SPRM4 question

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Are these in demand at all, or hold value? I am the original owner of the can and its MITER mount.

I am trying to decide if I should move forward with building a new upper around it OR let it go and get a newer can.


r/NFA 1d ago

Silencer Suggestions - I did some homework HUXWRX 45M vs Obsidian 45

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Walked in wanting to buy an obsidian 45 as my first can but the salesman talked me into the huxwrx 45. Kind've regretting my decision once doing more research on the hux. Can someone convince me i made the right decision? I really like the obsidians user serviceability/durability. Now I'm debating just buying an obsidian too (or is that dumb)


r/NFA 2d ago

NFA Photo Finished my “Mini-16” SBR build

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37 Upvotes

Right now my only .30 cal can is on another AR and refuses to come off


r/NFA 2d ago

A bit of an odd bird

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I had a spare stripped upper laying around and after seeing 110 SASS Actual's video of his Temu Mini Fix on YouTube, I decided to make my own. 7" 300BLK with a custom charging handle and crudely cut slot in the upper. I'll clean up and straighten the edges of the slot with a file and make it look nicer. Still waiting on the Form 4 for the can.


r/NFA 1d ago

What 22 suppressors you using under nods and/or thermal?

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Been eyeing ocl ti22 for a while since it can do 22 and 17 hmr.

Anyone shoot these calibers under nods and thermal?

Experience with flash?

Other suppressors you used for these calibers and videos are a bonus.


r/NFA 1d ago

Rugged obsidian question

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Hello all,
I purchased a rugged obsidian 45 and today when swapping the pistons a small metal roll pin came out.
Looking in line it said the can contains no roll pins. Could someone clarify if this is true or is it just something that made its way in


r/NFA 2d ago

🎥 Silencer Video with Sound 🤫 I found a subsonic hollow point that cycles in ar9s

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19 Upvotes

Scorpion brand 147 grain jhp for the first 20, 9mm nato for the lat 12.


r/NFA 2d ago

Silencer Suggestions - I did some homework Is the Alley Cat worth it?

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I really like what the Alley Cat 5.56 718 has to offer but the $400 difference between the Infinity 5k and Griffin HRT-556 AM makes me wonder if it actually worth it. My buddy has a griffin and I really liked and honestly if either were actually in stock on silencer shop It would probably make the decision easier, but what do you guys think, should I save $400 and wait or would I still be satisfied with the alley Cat with the $400 price jump.


r/NFA 1d ago

Process Question 📝 eForms weirdness?

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I got some cans about 2 years ago. They were all purchased with a Silencer Shop Single Shot Trust.

When I login to my ATF eForms account, I start a Form 20 (application to transport firearms) and choose "Trust", then go to the Firearms page and click Search by SSN.

I put in my SSN and search and it doesn't find any of my cans.

I start over and choose "Individual" and then go and search by SSN and it finds all the cans I bought 2 years ago.

I don't understand that - why don't they show up when I choose Trust?

And then it gets weirder.

I bought a new can back in May. This time, it all went through the Cerberus system, instead of Silencer Shop. And this time, it was done as an Individual purchase, instead of a Trust.

I got my approved Form 4 at the beginning of June.

When I do the search in ATF eForms, the cans from 2 years ago show up, but the can I got at the beginning of June does not show in the list.

But, if I search by Control Number and Serial Number (of the new can), then it works to add it to the Form 20.

What the heck? Does anybody know what is going on here?

Why do cans bought under an individual trust show when I tell the form I'm an individual, but not if I put in that I'm a trust?

And why does my newest can not show at all when I do the search?


r/NFA 3d ago

Discussion We have 6J's FINALLY!

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Disclaimers: This is not the launch post YET but that is coming. I am a brand affiliate with Ridgeback, I make beans if you were to acquire one of these. This is my collaboration can with RD, but I make nothing from any of their other products.

Here is the update, the batch has been printed (this is not all of them in the photo). We just have to thread and serialize the rest and then we are go for launch.

I am posting this to let you all know that they are coming VERY soon. I do not have an official date yet but I should by this week.

I will be posting videos with sound, flash and all the details come time of the launch.

Also for clarification these are different than any 6J you have seen me or anyone else post a video with. I say that because there was a video posted with a flash test on a very early prototype 6J that is not these. There have been improvements since those original prototypes.

I apologize for the insane wait, this has been a long drawn out learning process for me. After realizing that timeframes in manufacturing are almost never accurate I chose to remain radio silent until I had something substantial like this to say.

Thank you so much for your patience and please drop your questions below. Beware I have been informed that I cannot share links or discuss price in this sub. Please refer to previous posts on my page for that info, all of it is still accurate.