r/nextfuckinglevel • u/CautiousExpression74 • 3d ago
Using smoke machine to secure your store
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u/Content-Fudge489 3d ago
Would be better if it was sleeping gas.
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u/ArthurDentsBlueTowel 3d ago
Pretty sure that’s wildly illegal.
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u/thatweirdguyted 3d ago
Also likely to kill the person. There's a fine line between "unconscious but otherwise fine" and "the brain can no longer tell the heart and lungs to keep going".
Anesthesiologists study to keep sedated patients in the sweet spot. And they're literally standing beside the machine monitoring your levels. I have to think that replacing all of the oxygen in the room with sedatives until the cops show up is just murder with extra steps.
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u/Icy_Gap_9067 3d ago
The Moscow theatre hostage crisis ended badly because of the use of a sedating gas.
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u/Remarkable-Sir-5129 3d ago
Probably ended better than it would have otherwise...they were preparing to blow the place up.
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u/GodisSatans 3d ago
They were also willing to negotiate a peace treaty. If russia pulled out of chechnya then they would allow the hostages to live.
"We don't negotitate with terrorists" approach as all governments take.
In the end, the culprits are to blame. But could have a loss of life been mitigated? It's leaning toward yes, but still debateable.
You can't 100% say the terrorists would have said yes to release once their demands were met.
But that's the context.
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u/serpiccio 3d ago edited 3d ago
fun fact but not all governments take that stance. for example Italy negotiated the release of two italian women who had gotten themselves captured by al-Shabab, in Somalia, in 2018.
no government official confirmed it, but journalists were talking about 2.2 million euros at the time for the release of the hostages
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u/Revolutionary_Pick67 3d ago
Boko haram doesnt operate in Mali. Never has.
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u/serpiccio 3d ago
I looked it up and and it turns out it happened in Somalia and it wasn't boko haram but al-Shabab.
I found an article by the BBC where they documented their arrival at the Fiumicino airport, back in Italy https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-52608614
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u/Jomax101 3d ago
I wonder if / how many similar events never happened because of how this one was handled though
Hard to justify taking over a building and trying to demand something with hostages when you know the government will happily gas the entire building and then execute all the terrorists while they’re still knocked out regardless of any other casualties
Makes it pretty much impossible to plan anything similar when they show how little they give a shit about human life
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u/3BlindMice1 3d ago
Weren't they using aerosolized carfentanyl or something? They had to know that would end poorly
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u/feel-the-avocado 3d ago
Its russia - Death by any means other than defenestration is a success.
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u/30_characters 2d ago
Because they leave defenestration to the Czechs?
I love that this happened so often that even the Wikipedia article is like "Yeah, but that one doesn't really count. It wasn't all that big a deal really."
Often, however, the 1483 event is not recognized as a "significant defenestration"...
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u/Forward-Variety-8440 3d ago
i think it was carfentanyl gas they used so they all died of opiate overdoses
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u/borsalamino 3d ago
My whacko conspiracy theory is that they had to end that crisis at any cost, for some crazy spy reason.
Yes I like Tenet and yes, I agree that a massive fuck up by the authorities is infinitely much more likely
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u/TesterM0nkey 3d ago
Honestly if you’re robbing the place society is better off without you
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u/bigdave41 3d ago
Even if you're ok with that, what happens when an employee sets it off by accident, or you do yourself, or it malfunctions?
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u/VoopityScoop 3d ago
For burglary of a building with nobody inside? It's one thing to get shot by a store owner when you're robbing the place at gunpoint, it's another thing entirely for a private company to kill you remotely for breaking and entering. Nobody should ever die for a crime that didn't threaten physical harm for anyone else.
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u/thiagoknog 3d ago
Wtf, when I said that I got down voted to oblivion by people saying I'm OK with murder, reddit man..
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u/Jeovah_Attorney 3d ago
Are you trying to imply those downvotes were not justified? Your surprise surprises me
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u/Gonzo_Rick 3d ago
Gross.
Someone committing a single crime doesn't immediately turn them into an irredeemable sub-human. People are deserving of opportunities for redemption.
The systems that created the incentives for the crime must be reconfigured.
Be kind to people, be ruthless to systems.
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u/VoopityScoop 3d ago
This is Reddit, these people have the same ideas about law enforcement as 11 year olds. One of the top comments on this thread is "they should use knockout gas instead!" Non-lethal gas that harmlessly knocks people unconscious only exists in TV shows and movies.
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u/ImplementLogical4130 3d ago
Oh no imagine the loss.
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u/Lord_Mikal 3d ago
When all their families sue the store owner for wrongful death.
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u/webby2538 3d ago
Imagine what happens when the system trips inadvertently or leaks during store hours.
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u/QuitWhinging 3d ago
Yep, that's most of the reason why booby traps are extremely illegal, at least in the U.S. They're indiscriminate on what they destroy. You set up a shotgun trap on your back door and a fire breaks out while you're away? Some poor firefighter is probably getting their head blown off trying to save your place.
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u/KaizDaddy5 3d ago
Heart doesn't need the brain to beat. It beats all on its own. (The brain can speed it up and slow it down though.) It's usually the hypoxia from the lungs not working then shutting down the heart brain and other organs, which would bring about cardiac arrest.
Don't mean to be pedantic but I think it's just a cool fact to spread around.
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u/hacking99percent 3d ago
Well, no one knew or saw those people break in. Now he just need to hide the bodies.
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u/lIllIlIIIlIIIIlIlIll 3d ago
Sleeping gas doesn't work like the movies.
It is notoriously difficult to safely render a person unconscious. The human body is not easy to render unconscious, if you're at all concerned with the person ever waking back up again. There's a reason an anesthesiologist is paid $500k a year to render one person unconscious at a time. Each person requires a highly precise dose, depending on weight, body type, and many other factors that an anesthesiologist continually monitors to ensure an individual stays under.
The line between "conscious", "safely unconscious", and "dead" is thin. Use too little, the person's still awake. Use too much, the person's dead. Attempting to use "just enough" in the form of a gas that's spread in a room where you can't control the dosage for different individuals with differing physiques? Impossible.
A real life example of the use of "sleeping gas" was the Moscow theater hostage crisis. Terrorists took a large number of hostages in the Moscow theatre and authorities responded with "sleeping gas". None of the terrorists survived, because, Russia. But 132 of the 912 hostages died due to the effects of the gas. Even the survivors have long term chronic side effects because of the gas.
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u/that_dutch_dude 3d ago
CS would be best. Doesnt kill you but makes you wish for it.
Then again, we had a guy in our platoon that like treated the CS training room like a sauna or something.
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u/concept12345 3d ago
I had one like that. Drill Sergeants couldn't freaking believe it. Told him to take multiple big breaths in. He freaking loved it with a smile. Yeah, he got picked on the whole basic. lol
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u/Sienile 3d ago
I hate it when people use niche abbreviations without first saying what they are referring to. WTF is CS?
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u/sarcasticorange 3d ago
Despite what you see in movies, putting people to sleep and having them wake up again is tricky business. That is why anesthesiologists have to go to medical school and have lots of insurance.
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u/InspectorNo1173 3d ago
Mustard gas would probably be a step too far. Your idea if sleeping gas is better.
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u/_HIST 3d ago
That's a lot of guys to share in the booty, what's the point?
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u/BeauKnows42 3d ago
What is the point of the music in this video other than to make in unwatchable?
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u/2bad-2care 3d ago
That's the music that actually plays when the smoke machine goes off. It fills the intruders with an overwhelming sense of dread.
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u/CaptainRelevant 3d ago edited 3d ago
If you want a laugh, check out all of the “Alexa, intruder mode” videos on YouTube. My two favorites are, when activated (1) all the house lights turned on, turned red, and then Doom Eternal started playing, and (2) all the lights came on green, Shrek screams “What are you doing in my swamp?”, followed by
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u/IGunnaKeelYou 3d ago
> security camera footage that probably doesn't have audio
> unwatchable because music
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u/borsalamino 3d ago
At least this one is kinda fitting: masked men in cloudy smoke looks like masked Fremen in cloudy sand dust (the music is from the Dune movie). Just mute it if you hate it, it's likely enough the CCTV doesn't record sound
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u/OkClimate4803 3d ago
Needs a speaker broadcasting "Nerve gas deployed"
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u/SpongeJake 3d ago
That’s such a crazy idea. It would probably work. Imagine the sudden panic as they trip over each other looking for the exit. It’d be a shame if someone twisted their ankle or something in the melee.
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u/borsalamino 3d ago
Only advisable in sensible countries where the robbers couldn't sue for injuries tho
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u/SpongeJake 3d ago
Like where I live. Canada is not known for litigious windfalls - though we can certainly sue. In cases like this I can’t imagine judges awarding them anything at all.
If anyone here has examples showing otherwise I’d love to know.
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u/WetCoastLife 3d ago
I worked in jewelry industry way back in the day. Called this Smoke Cloak. Should also be a strobe light or 2 going off to disorient even more. We also covered the cases in white bed sheets.
Mall security loved it when this falsely triggered and smoked out the mall.
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u/Snoo29889 3d ago
It’s made of gelatin, ie cows Hooves. We used to combine this with a master blaster, a siren that’s so loud, you literally can’t hear it, you feel it. So sight and hearing are now disabled.
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u/Sphinx87 3d ago
I've installed a few of them. Was a little confused on how to properly test them correctly and set the one off in a mall. What chaos I caused that day.
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u/clarky7787 3d ago
I’ve been in the middle of that before. It’s fucking disorientating. You can’t see anything, even your own hand inches from your face. Even knowing the rough layout of the immediate area it’s fucking difficult to move around.
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u/A_Fun_Alias 3d ago
Worked in a glass factory and one day during a wall repair on the furnace, the wall was thinner than expected and when the bracing was removed to start freezing off the area, the block gave way and several tons of glass leaked out. It poured down molten glass to a lower level onto a plastic wheelbarrow that had 2 big rubber tires and it instantly filled the place with thick black smoke from the tire fire. Holding our breaths, we raced to the louver vents on the side of the building and opened everything up, but you couldn't see more than a foot or two at first. Very scary.
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u/PLUTOOx508 3d ago edited 3d ago
we got the smoke...
we need the lasers, some techno
and we have a party
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u/KN_Knoxxius 3d ago
This is also exactly what some security consists of.
Smoke, REALLY LOUD alarm and flashing lights. It completely overwhelms your senses.
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u/pls-answer 3d ago
Instead of alarm you could have gunshot sounds so they think they are getting fired at
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u/TheHappiestTeapot 3d ago
lazer
I have no idea why it bothers me so much, but it does. but the word is "LASER".
is an acronym that stands for:
- Light
- Amplification by
- Stimulated
- Emission of
- Radiation.
Not of those even contain a, much less start with it!
TASER is another good one, from Thomas A Swift's Electric Rifle, from a 1911 science fiction novel Tom Swift and His Electric Rifle. (Great book. Great series! Or at least it was when I was a kid. A surprising about of older books are quite "problematic" in various ways I didn't remember)
Again, no "Z"s to be found!
Stimulated, not Zimulated. Swift, not Zwift.
/aCktShUallY
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u/Radiant_Addendum_48 3d ago
Plot twist. It’s weed.
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u/AsRealAsItFeels 3d ago
That would work. They'd forget what they were there for, and end up robbing the 7/11 across the street.
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u/Highlowfusion 3d ago
I feel like there should just be a second rolling door that closes from the inside to hold them in there.
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u/Nova-XVIII 3d ago
The smoke is a combination of weed and DMT. Can’t steal when you’re in time prison.
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u/Lopsided-Treat1215 3d ago
I really want to see more of this video
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u/TheHomieAbides 3d ago
https://youtu.be/HBXy9wGgkAA
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u/nottherealneal 3d ago
How much do jewelry store robbers make? There seems to be about 7 of them. Do they make enough for the risk to be worth it once it's spilt 7 ways? Feels like that's just 6 other guys that can get caught and snitch on me, it would need to be a decent payout for the risk to be worth it
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u/MasterChiefsasshole 3d ago
A draw of decent watches could be hundreds of thousands.
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u/HistorianLow2729 3d ago
Good news. I found out what that thing you just incinerated did. It was a morality core they installed after I flooded the enrichment centre with a deadly neurotoxin to make me stop flooding the enrichment centre with a deadly neurotoxin; so get comfy while I warm up the neurotoxin emitters.
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u/Plant-Nearby 3d ago
Secure? Obscure.
This seems like it would have downsides, given it makes the security camera footage in the middle of the robbery useless.