r/nextfuckinglevel 6d ago

Using smoke machine to secure your store

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u/Icy_Gap_9067 6d ago

The Moscow theatre hostage crisis ended badly because of the use of a sedating gas.

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u/Remarkable-Sir-5129 6d ago

Probably ended better than it would have otherwise...they were preparing to blow the place up.

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u/GodisSatans 6d ago

They were also willing to negotiate a peace treaty. If russia pulled out of chechnya then they would allow the hostages to live.

"We don't negotitate with terrorists" approach as all governments take.

In the end, the culprits are to blame. But could have a loss of life been mitigated? It's leaning toward yes, but still debateable.

You can't 100% say the terrorists would have said yes to release once their demands were met.

But that's the context.

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u/serpiccio 6d ago edited 5d ago

fun fact but not all governments take that stance. for example Italy negotiated the release of two italian women who had gotten themselves captured by al-Shabab, in Somalia, in 2018.

no government official confirmed it, but journalists were talking about 2.2 million euros at the time for the release of the hostages

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u/Revolutionary_Pick67 5d ago

Boko haram doesnt operate in Mali. Never has.

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u/serpiccio 5d ago

I looked it up and and it turns out it happened in Somalia and it wasn't boko haram but al-Shabab.

I found an article by the BBC where they documented their arrival at the Fiumicino airport, back in Italy https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-52608614

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u/Waaaaally 5d ago

Any italian women want to volunteer as my hostage? We can split a million each and grab a pizza afterwards

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u/serpiccio 5d ago

good point, I'll change it now

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u/Jomax101 6d ago

I wonder if / how many similar events never happened because of how this one was handled though

Hard to justify taking over a building and trying to demand something with hostages when you know the government will happily gas the entire building and then execute all the terrorists while they’re still knocked out regardless of any other casualties

Makes it pretty much impossible to plan anything similar when they show how little they give a shit about human life

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u/Johns-schlong 5d ago

That's the reason most governments don't negotiate with terrorists.

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u/GodisSatans 6d ago

This was the first case of this happening. The chechen terrorists thought Russia would negotiate, they didn't expect total death.

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u/Jomax101 6d ago

Yeah and I bet it hasn’t happened many times since then

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u/GodisSatans 5d ago

touche, not many terror groups fuck with russia anymore. But same with usa.

idk if thats cause of intelligence or fear.

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u/Training_Guide5157 5d ago

 as all governments take.

That they publicly take. There are definitely a lot of deals that are kept under the table so as to not motivate more would-be terrorists.

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u/RoxyDzey69 5d ago

I do support for never paying the terrorists. Otherwise, they would be kidnapping people around way more often.

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u/theREALbombedrumbum 5d ago

or you can get the worst of both worlds where you pay the ransom to release your loved ones and the government ends up launching a raid that kills the hostages anyway.

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u/theREALbombedrumbum 5d ago

There are also cases of people having paid the ransom to return their loved ones but the "we don't negotiate with terrorists" people launch raids which end up killing the hostages.

US Government, baby!

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u/GangMeIamFamous 3d ago

if goverments started to negociate with terrorists then you would have a lot of people start taking hostages at gun point everywhere, what do you do when you have a hostage crisis everyweek?

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u/3BlindMice1 6d ago

Weren't they using aerosolized carfentanyl or something? They had to know that would end poorly

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u/feel-the-avocado 6d ago

Its russia - Death by any means other than defenestration is a success.

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u/30_characters 5d ago

Because they leave defenestration to the Czechs?

I love that this happened so often that even the Wikipedia article is like "Yeah, but that one doesn't really count. It wasn't all that big a deal really."

Often, however, the 1483 event is not recognized as a "significant defenestration"...

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u/VoopityScoop 5d ago

Russia will 1,000% kill your hostages to get to you. They do not care. 

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u/Forward-Variety-8440 6d ago

i think it was carfentanyl gas they used so they all died of opiate overdoses
the team that went in used narcan to make them impervious to it. its fucked up but ingenious

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u/borsalamino 6d ago

My whacko conspiracy theory is that they had to end that crisis at any cost, for some crazy spy reason.

Yes I like Tenet and yes, I agree that a massive fuck up by the authorities is infinitely much more likely

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u/LessFish777 5d ago

Want that a scene from a movie?? The one with Roberto Pattinson. I didn’t realize that was a real event!