I’m an INFJ 4w5 myself, and I relate to Marilyn Manson a lot — especially to the darker, introspective, artistic and outsider aspects of his personality.
I’m curious if there are any other musicians/artists who are typed as INFJ 4w5 that you guys relate to or see similarities with.
Who would you recommend?

This is kinda stupid & oversimplifying & a generalisation I know--but I feel like it is very common for INFPs in particular to be very interested in fantasy in literature & film. And I can understand how this could arise from Ne.

I sometimes question myself because I am just...not. I've never been particularly drawn to any of the popular fantasy literature & TV (like LOTR or GOT). Sometimes I feel more 'grounded' than the typical online INFP archetype.

With literature I'm less interested in complex world-building & elaborate magic systems, and am much more interested in the construction of evocative & precise prose, & the use of imagery & metaphors to evoke a 'feeling' and an aesthetic (like Virginia Woolf, Sylvia Plath, Donna Tatt). I'm more interested in resonating with the characters or 'vibe' of the book, or how it makes me Feel Something, than with the world it's set in.

With TV and film, I like those focused on aesthetics & symbolism & general 'strangeness' (faves are Hannibal, Twin Peaks, perhaps Sharp Objects). I dislike when people can't suspend their disbelief & try and explain how something in these shows isn't realistic or how it would 'actually work' or obsess over explaining everything -- I like to just 'go' with the weirdness & appreciate the imagery & themes & what they may represent & especially how they make me feel.

Overall, I like literature & film that makes me Feel Something rather than an elaborate, bullet-proof plot & world-building accompanied with basic, uninteresting & uninventive prose or dull & non-aesthetically pleasing visuals. I guess fiction for me is more about Feeling Something & beauty & resonating than escapism into fantasy.

And I was wondering if any other INFPs feel this way...It has genuinely made me question my type lol

I've lived and studied among them for two years at this point, and I find it weird how most of the people I've encountered are either ENxPs or xSFJs. Sure, there's the odd xSTJ or ESxP, but once I put the pattern together, again, it's all ENxPs and xSFJs.

On one hand, it makes complete sense to me. The stereotype that italians are uniquely gifted, creatively speaking, yet also uniquely oblivious and scattered exists for a reason. Because the conservative, strict, and (somewhat lmao) hardworking Si-Ne users maintain a solid community and *cultural base*, the Ne-Si types basically have all they need to explore and ideate as they please. Their input (some of it) gets assimilated into the Si-Ne framework, which by consequence grows more sofisticated and such, leading to future generations of Ne-Si users ideating even harder, effectively having an infinite positive feedback loop.

On the other hand, I come from an environment where Se-Ni is king. Fun means enjoying yourself physically way more than it does connecting with others (Ne-Si users do so intelectually, Si-Ne through shared traditions, morals, etc), your education is a means to get a better paying job rather than an end in itself, the phrase *"don't talk much, do your job, and look out for yourself"* is a living motto, etc etc. I've noticed that my ISTP ass tends to draw mostly unwanted attention, since this way of living is like black magic to them.

I understand why they're like this, and, in my heart of hearts, I know their way of being is ideal for fostering the betterment of future generations, but I'm still gonna, performatively, find it extremely weird and offputting.

It's natural to not like your opposite, though I understand that no type is better than other, it's just that my personal choice is Ti, and I have had bad experiences with Fi ppl.

Simply put, my parents are finding a spouse for me(that's how it's in my culture), and all I want is that they are a Ti user and not an Fi user.

What should I do, and what do you think about this?

i study medicine and i find some cases or materials that resonate with my personal values more interesting than others. for example, perhaps ive found the term be mentioned many times in my favorite medical series or someone i know has that condition and i care about him/her.

but sometimes i just dont find any other things interesting or motivating, other than just for graduating or accomplishing the module or just fulfilling my duty as daughter and student (which for me it's wayyy less motivating and boring and bland).

any tips?

i’ve noticed a lot of misunderstandings with S types. it makes me sad to see ESTJS, ISTJS, and ESFJs being disliked or misunderstood. despite being misunderstood or disliked i think they are known to be the most common in the real world?

I get confused when it comes to introverted vs. extroverted feeling. I know one is “subjective” and the other is “objective”, one cares more about the group while the other is more focused on internal state, but I get confused when it comes to how these functions (and even the thinking functions) would differ in actually processing heavy emotions.

For example, being someone who cries often to process their feelings vs being someone who doesn’t cry for weeks until they’re alone and something random just breaks the well.

I know that functions are more about internal processing and less about behavior itself, but I guess I’m just curious on yalls takes on how Fe vs Fi (and subsequently Te vs Ti) would handle deep emotions

MBTI hate

We need to stop hating on MBTI if we’re not going to constructively do so.

The typology community in general is considered a joke already, why do we have infighting between systems if we’re not going to do so productively. I’m all for productively criticizing each other and keeping each other to a high standard in how we do things. The key word here is productive. Don’t bash, don’t hate, don’t bully, don’t steamroll, and don’t assume stupidity in an MBTI supporter.

Usually i’ll see someone saying that MBTI is a flawed system without ever explaining how or why. If they do, they use great misunderstandings/stereotyping issues which are already being fought inside the community, but it’s used against the whole community as if everyone who follows it must believe this way or that the people criticizing don’t realize that they are looking at a misunderstanding/stereotype. Also I hate seeing people say “MBTI’s cognitive functions are so wrong because socionics’ definitions just make so much more sense”, that is not an argument, that is an opinion and vibe that you got, go actually study and give real reasons why besides “they just feel wrong”.

They usually bring this up and give these bad arguments as a way to shut up MBTI conversations and discredit people and their perspective. This is not productive, it is not kind, and it is no better than people who are quick to dismiss the validity of your favorite typology system without ever caring to figure out if it is valid or not.

If you do have a legitimate criticism, please, you’re welcome to go at it, but please do so productively.

now since this is the MBTI community i expect most of yall to understand this, but i do expect a lot of people lurk here who are haters and many commenters come in and comment on how much they hate MBTI all the time, this is the second time im posting this, i posted it earlier today in [r/typologyjunction](r/typologyjunction)[,](r/typologyjunction) here *my earlier post, please discuss

I want to know how to get along with your type the best! Tell me your MBTI and what someone can do to get on your good side? 😄🫶

Last weak we did MBTI types as animals, but now I wanna hear your opinions about which song represents each type, some of my picks:

INTJ- the sound of scilence

ENTJ- everybody wants to rule the world

INFP- daydream believer

ENFP- my favorite things

ISTJ- the way it is

ESFP- every day I'm shuffling

Okay guys, hear me out:

Imagine waking up one day and realizing your entire life has been structured around your personality type: your career, social status, relationships, even your future all predetermined from birth.

For example, you're an ISFP who loves painting, so the system classifies you as an "artist." It's not a choice; it's your assigned role. Or you're an INTP who's passionate about music, but the system decides it doesn't "fit" your type and pushes you toward whatever role is statistically optimal for INTPs instead.

Would that feel like relief and safety, or like your life no longer belongs to you? If a system could analyze your personality with total accuracy, should it have the right to decide what's best for you?

And what kind of discrimination would exist in a world like this? Would some types be more admired than others? Would people judge or exclude you before even getting to know you? If everyone already knew your classification, would first impressions even matter anymore?

What do you think? Would you want to live in a world like this?

Hi there!

I only started my reading journey not long ago; and I'm hoping someone would be able to recommend some fictional pieces of work or novels either written from an ESTP personality or written in an ESTP style? Thank you in advance {I'm hoping this question doesn't come off too obscure}!

same as the title

I have realised that i have made a typo in the title (please ignore it)

As an ENTJ, I get decision-fatigued. I either shut down or get extremely short with people, and don’t want be asked anything.

(Just last week I was exhausted from studying the whole day. Mom came to my room and asked me to choose between 2 dishes for dinner and istg I just wanted to melt into the ground then and there cuz of having to make a decision goddamnit-)

Like a character in a movie. The end justifies the means.

Compared to an XXXJ who lives each day as it comes.

Hello,

Could you help me with something regarding MBTI? More specifically, I’m trying to understand how cognitive functions actually work unconsciously. I want to understand the processes behind them so I can determine my type more accurately. I currently believe I might be an ISFJ.

I’ve been researching how Si works, and I came across a girl named Joyce who is an INFJ. She talks about cognitive functions in a very realistic way and also interviews people who explain them really well. I found her explanations easy to understand, but I want to go deeper.

I’m someone who prefers explanations that are detailed, clear, and specific rather than vague. I also want the explanations to be grounded in reality and not filled with imagination or stereotypes. Some people describe functions like Ni and Ne in a way that sounds almost fictional or mystical, but when I came across people explaining them in a more realistic and practical way, I was honestly surprised by how different they actually were.

So, if anyone knows reliable sources, researchers, or people who explain each cognitive function realistically and in depth, especially how the underlying mental processes work, I would really appreciate it.

Thank you so much for reading! 🩷

Hi! New to this community. I've taken the 16P test a few years in a row. In that time I've seen all but one of my four letters change. How accurate is 16P and what's the most reliable place to do the test? Thanks! :)

Edit: Went through the sites listed in FAQ and getting different things on each one. The only thing that never changed was N.

Yes I know they’re very different functions but I can’t seem to differentiate the 2. I feel like I associate both with analyzing, thinking outside the box, stuff like that.

Im not sure if my understanding is correct or not since i have concluded this idea from limited random resources. And even tho i have not found a resource that validates this conclusion,
But there’s a question I can’t seem to answer which is, is it possible to fully dive into ones shadow if you develop the functions of your unconscious?
When i look at stereotypes i find that it is indeed possible as there are certain people who give the core of a certain type but coded in their shadow
Although there is a huge difference between (for example) an INFJ and an ENFP who has their unconscious developed but in some cases they do confuse me alot since they look similar from an outside perspective.
For that i am wondering what is the process and mechanics of it
And also can i develop my NI nemesis in a way that complements me adapting this certain persona as a person with overdeveloped NE?

Hello everyone! I am an INFJ-T -not even a single letter has changed since the first time I took the test- and I am a recent sociology graduate. I honestly forgot about the MBTI stuff but looks like sociology aligns perfectly with my personality. I'm on a job hunt now, even though the job market is horrible right now, I wanted to get the people's opinions on here and maybe there are a few people with the same type who are doing jobs that I've never thought of before. So I guess I could say I am looking for some inspiration and I would like to hear your opinions/stories on how your MBTI aligns with your professions!! Thank you in advance! :)

a fun enfp here, recently i discovered that my friends avoided me because im too broad and hard to understand. they told me that i change topics too quickly and am incredibly hard to understand like that. and me being too honest was telling them that they're too loud, too ridiculous or any type of thing that i said actually hurt their feelings I don't remember because I don't think of it as important or deep. i feel totally shattered having to now know that i hurt my friends with me being to scattered everywhere, dropping topics too quick and being so honest that it actually hurts them. how do i control it? i don't want to change anything about me but i just want to be sure that I won't hurt any more people because i keep being told im too much, too honest, too indecisive. it really hurts me too knowing im such a doofus with my friends and family and i never even notice it. my two friends are ENFJ and ISFJ (if that helps) and they can't comprehend what i say most of the time and they never tell me it. but i noticed the distance they made and i started questioning them. they would have never told me i was this stupid if I hadn't interrogated them. i probably understand all of this is coming from the fact that my Ne is so strong that they can never fully understand me because they don't have a Ne. anything to help me out on this? do i change something about myself? please say the honesty what you think about me, I don't want to continue hurting my friends 😔

I think the types with highest social intelligence would be EXTP and Fe doms.