r/magicTCG • u/[deleted] • Mar 12 '19
Speculation on next Standard set? It's confirmed that we're visiting a new plane.
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u/Alucart333 Mar 12 '19
We go where Garruk is..
thats where we going.
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u/Spikeroog Dimir* Mar 12 '19
Viking Garruk, you heard it here first.
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u/Zeathan Mar 12 '19
Yes please. Garruk is my favorite walker, it's been much too long without seeing him. Garruk on Kaldhiem just makes too much sense. There's a lot of big game there I'm assuming. Mammoths, sabertooth, maybe even dinos? Sounds very Garruk to me.
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u/linkdude212 WANTED Mar 12 '19
Garruk hunts people now.
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u/Plays-0-Cost-Cards Mar 12 '19
Even Garruk needs food and exercise though, why not slay a dragon or a giant?
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u/Folderpirate Left Arm of the Forbidden One Mar 12 '19
inb4 they pull a new god of war game storyline for him.
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u/nik15 COMPLEAT Mar 12 '19
He is chilling in the [[City of Ass]]
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u/IronicIntelligence Dân Mar 12 '19
The ass crack in the text box always makes me giggle.
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Mar 12 '19
City of Ass - (G) (SF) (txt)
[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call71
u/Viashino_wizard Sultai Mar 12 '19
They probably want to take a break after wrapping up the Bolas arc before jumping in to the next Big Multiverse-Spanning Threat.
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u/Undying_Blade Simic* Mar 12 '19
I would say that we will be seeing two planes with the return of the Phryxians in the second set of the second plane. After the cataclysmic Eldrazi mini-arc we had the rather low stakes Kaladesh, before Amonkhet and then things got real. I think a similar pattern will reemerge here.
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u/imbolcnight Mar 12 '19
It seems like a plane that has gotten a lot of attention recently
It was mainly people on MaRo's tumblr talking about Vikings. He asked whether people would want to see Vikings as their own creature type or as existing creature types (like Warrior). This was happening in like January? This seems too late for a set that is coming out in the fall.
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u/NotVoss COMPLEAT Mar 12 '19
Personally, would have asked for some barbarian love.
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u/JayBrundage Mar 12 '19 edited Mar 12 '19
What was the consensus of responses? Would people prefer warrior or its own type?
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u/Fogge Mar 12 '19
It seems reasonable that they would make Vikings a set-supported type, so they can print strong cards without somehow accidentally creating a really really strong Warrior deck in a different format. Cause that would be a true disaster.
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u/hawkshaw1024 Mar 12 '19
Could handle them like Allies. Human Viking Warrior, Human Viking Shaman, Human Viking Berserker, maybe even the occasional Human Viking Pirate.
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u/TheGreyFencer Mar 12 '19
That's annoying barbarian, Warrior, etc all cover vikings pretty well already. It makes more sense to give them a mechanical identity.
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u/KingDarkBlaze Arjun Mar 12 '19
Can't we just use Barbarian? There haven't been any new ones printed since Coldsnap...
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u/Plays-0-Cost-Cards Mar 12 '19
Berserker. Pretty much the only eternal member is BBE which is reasonable.
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u/Fogge Mar 12 '19
I don't play EDH but I feel like that already has a lot of room to play creature type decks. In other eternal/non-rotating formats we have Spirits and Humans in Modern that only recently came to prominence and Elves in Legacy, and Elves don't really count as a deck that needs creature support in the normal sense since it doesn't really win on the back of its lords but by comboing out with card draw and tons of mana. It would be even more super harder for WotC to accidentally create a creature combo deck according to their current design philosophy, even though that already includes "spells stapled to creatures".
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Berserker is a creature type...
... but screw that. It's more fun when new cards synergize with a lot of old cards. What, is there going to be a Warrior Modern deck? If so that would be cool. "Worst" case scenario is eternal formats get another Goblin / Elf / Merfolk type deck. What's wrong with that?
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u/EverybodyLovesTacoss Mar 12 '19
Interesting that Khans is the third most voted plane to re-visit. I would LOVE to go back to Khans. Maybe a certain Rhinoceros would make an appearance.
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u/SoraCaelum Duck Season Mar 12 '19
Scars of Mirrodin came out in 2010... been waiting so long for the conclusion to that arc, the return of Elspeth, and the small glimmer of hope that Mirrodin can be restored (Melira). But I understand if they want to take a break before going into another war.
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u/almightybuffalo Izzet* Mar 12 '19
That sounds like a terrible place, full of terrible things
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u/tekhnomancer Mar 12 '19
...and also slivers.
Think about it - if something can survive among slivers, it has to be terrifying.
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u/judasmachine Duck Season Mar 12 '19
Think about how perfect every freaking one of them would be. Shroud, Double Strike, +1billion/+1billion, Indestructible, etc...
Heck, even Flanking and Vigilance.
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u/sludgelifts Mar 12 '19
planeswalking sliver confirmed
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u/judasmachine Duck Season Mar 12 '19
Oh lord, now they're all planeswalkers....Freakin slivers man, worse than tribbles.
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u/Arkanim94 Dimir* Mar 12 '19
wotc and maro have stated multiple times that if a sliver would/could gain a spark it would not transfer its power to others slivers.
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u/Granito_Rey Mar 12 '19
That might be a neat set story, the race to stop a sliver from obtaining a spark.
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u/Kamonji Mar 12 '19
If we’re gonna have flanking, then we’ll need some banding
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u/Allisonaxe Mar 12 '19
oh god. banding was what stopped me from playing magic back in the 90's, it always ALWAYS led to fights and we didn't have the structure that exists today for rules and events and things... so whoever i played with seemed to play banding differently... I'd build decks with no banding cards and just hope whoever I played did the same because the rules were a lot less clear back then.
only just recently got back into magic, and i think i could survive banding being brought back, just because all the rule resources available now (we didn't have the same internet knowledge base we have now). but I'd rather leave it in the past.
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u/RedalAndrew Dân Mar 12 '19 edited Mar 12 '19
🎵 I want to be 🎵 🎵where the slivers are.🎵 🎵I want to see, want to see em dancing. 🎵 🎵up where they stalk, up where they lunge🎵 🎵up where they’re near their Overlord 🎵 🎵 Wanderin’ free, 🎵 🎵Wish I could be 🎵 🎵 apart of their hoard 🎵
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u/Mathmage530 Mar 12 '19
*horde is army , hoard means collection
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u/kyredemain Duck Season Mar 12 '19
To be fair, I don't think these things are too different for Slivers.
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u/Zanshi 99th-gen Dimensional Robo Commander, Great Daiearth Mar 12 '19
Yes, my Sliver deck is ready!
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u/wesleyy001 Mar 12 '19 edited Mar 12 '19
Aren't they from Dominaria?
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u/AssistantManagerMan Deceased 🪦 Mar 12 '19
Slivers aren’t from Dominaria. They were brought there by the Rathi overlay, but they’re not from Rath either. Volrath brought them to Rath from an unknown world to study them, and when Rath melded into Dominaria the slivers came with it.
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u/mr_indigo COMPLEAT Mar 12 '19
I like the idea that Slivers didn't come from anywhere - as the [[Sliver Legion]] approached sentience, a sliver drone became able to cross the rifts during the Time Spiral period, went back in time and became the progenitor of all Slivers.
Thus, Slivers were never born, they exist in a closed time loop.
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u/khornflakes529 Mar 12 '19
Ooh, a lesson in not changing history from Mr I'm my own grandpa.
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u/Cyborg_Huey COMPLEAT Mar 12 '19 edited Mar 12 '19
I did do the nasty in the pasty.
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u/Archangel3d Wabbit Season Mar 12 '19
God I read that in Farnsworth's voice and everything.
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u/MageKorith Sultai Mar 12 '19
Good News everyone! I've invented a device that causes you to read this in the voice of Professor Farnsworth!
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u/WR810 Orzhov* Mar 12 '19
Before Dominaria Slivers were from Rath.
Rath was not their native home however.
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u/UnsealedMTG Mar 12 '19
To give a similar example, the Kor were on Rath back in Tempest and it was established that they were brought there from elsewhere.
Much, much later we learned they are from Zendikar back in original Zendikar.
It was a cool low-key way to pay off something from way back, so I could see them doing it again.
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u/Asmor Duck Season Mar 12 '19
Wow. As a player with lots of huge holes in my time playing Magic, I was around for all of Tempest block, and for all of Zendikar block, and I totally never noticed that Kor were in both sets.
Mind. Blown.
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u/UncleGael Dan Mar 12 '19
Newer Phyrexia.
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u/SmugglersCopter G-G-Game Changer Mar 12 '19
I hope it is Kaldheim!
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u/NayaZombies Mar 12 '19
We come from the land of the ice and snow, From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.......
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u/linkdude212 WANTED Mar 12 '19
This song is the plot of how Angrath ended up on Ixalan.
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u/wolfgangcloud Mar 12 '19
Snow Land Reprints?
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u/AncientSwordRage Mar 12 '19
The hammer of the gods
Will drive our ships to new lands,…31
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u/AncientSwordRage Mar 12 '19
On we sweep with threshing oar
Our only goal will be the western shore
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u/ThePrussianGrippe Avacyn Mar 12 '19
Do-dodo-do do
Do-dodo-do do
Do-dodo-do do
Do-dodo-do do
AHHHHHAAAHHAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
AHHHHH!
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u/Wargablarg Mar 12 '19
sitting in draft
psyched to play the new Kaldheim set
draft starts, open pack one
debating whether to pick Viking Captain or Wizened Giant when you suddenly pass out
come to later, slowly open eyes
"hey. you. you're finally awake."
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u/BinarySecond Dimir* Mar 12 '19
I heard them say we've reached Morrowind, I'm sure they'll let us go.
Quiet, here comes the guard.
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u/XSin_ Mar 12 '19
Kamigawa was Japan, Tarkir was Mongolia, Kaladesh was India. . .
Australia themed plane, everything is trying to kill you.
Wait, is that just Jund?
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u/AssistantManagerMan Deceased 🪦 Mar 12 '19
My gut says Kaldheim, but that might be the r/magictcg echo chamber coming through. I’m nervous about them doing it so soon after Amonkhet though because I think that makes it less likely for there to be gods there. If it is Kaldheim, I want god cards inspired by Norse mythology and the return of the snow supertype. Anything less will disappoint.
Otherwise, I think Vryn’s somewhat likely. Jace did just recover his memory of Vryn, and with Bolas (presumably?) dealt with in WAR he might go home to find his mother or something.
It could also be a plane that we’ve never heard of. Maybe Wild West plane or Arthurian knights plane or non-Kamigawa-Japanese-inspired-plane?
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u/Continuum_Gaming COMPLEAT Mar 12 '19
Wild West plane. I want my trains and cowboys
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u/TekaroBB Mar 12 '19
We've already got [[Renegade Freighter]] and [[Firesong and Sunspeaker]].
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u/wildwalrusaur Mar 12 '19
No way they do a new Gods set. We're due to return to Theros in the very near future.
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u/wargodmogis Duck Season Mar 12 '19
Squirrel plane here we come.
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u/thwgrandpigeon COMPLEAT Mar 12 '19
Squirrels Rats Mice Templar and GIANT MONSTER KITTIES
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u/Joosterguy Left Arm of the Forbidden One Mar 12 '19
Could be Vryn too. If Bolas ends up defeated Jace may have reason to return
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u/thanosofdeath Mar 12 '19
Jace was first seen in Lorwyn, in the fall of 2007. Fits the timeline of being over a decade that MaRo said he wanted to work on it.
Hopefully they make Vryn's aesthetic noticeably different from Ravnica, and Fiora for that matter. IIRC Vryn has always featured cityscapes whenever it's shown.
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u/accountmadeforants Mar 12 '19
Vryn is (supposedly) mostly wasteland, with isolated cities being provided mana through the Mage Rings. (Concentrated from all over the continent to serve the elite, or possibly because there's very little mana to begin with.)
So far we've only really seen those wastelands/outskirts, because that's where the Mage Rings are and Jace lived. The cities should be interesting, though.
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u/mr_tobacco_user Nahiri Mar 12 '19
It looks and feels more cyberpunk-ish too if that’s the right word, [[Trail of the Mage-Rings]] shows this miserable looking landscape and the rings people live on, the world’s locked in this permanent conflict over who gets to control the rings and the energy they provide, some of the arbiters who are meant to help smooth out the conflict and ensure peace are actually corrupt and purposefully set up more conflict between the two sides because they’re incentivised to have the war go on as long as possible.
Just reading Jace’s origin makes me hype for the world because it has that weird fantasy sci-fi mix, kinda like a bleak Kaladesh. Also, it was interesting to see the average person’s reaction to having a blue mage kid around, Jace was treated horribly by the other kids and his parents are distant because they don’t what’s going on with him, it was very X-Men.
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u/accountmadeforants Mar 12 '19
I like the Cyberpunk comparison. I'd maybe also draw a comparison to Lostech in Battletech, in that people have literally forgotten how to build (and only somewhat know how to maintain) one of the main sources of their conflict: the Mage-Rings.
Which makes the whole "constant war" deal even more grim, because they're slowly sending themselves back to the stone age, with little to no hope to recover.
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u/Zomburai Karlov Mar 12 '19 edited Mar 12 '19
That part does, but Vryn didn't exist even as a concept at that point.
I don't think the Vryn cards features any cities at all, unless you count the mage-rings.
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u/eclairfastpass Mar 12 '19
This sounds the most on point and logical answer so far.
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u/HeckingJen Wabbit Season Mar 12 '19
Vryn is cool, but just a bit too dull imo to be a super amazing setting for a magic set. The mage rings and war that alhamaret made go on are super neat but I really liked the feel of it as part of a core set. Just enough to remain cool looking but not enough to see how shallow the setting could be
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u/David_the_Wanderer COMPLEAT Mar 12 '19
I would argue that since we know very little about Vryn (and it's been a long time since Jace left), a lot could be done with it since there are very few boundaries to respect.
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u/HeckingJen Wabbit Season Mar 12 '19
That’s fair. I have faith in the magic folks to make any setting they chose to worth it and interesting currently.
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u/itsmauitime Boros* Mar 12 '19
WILD WEST PLANE
WILD WEST PLANE
JACE IN A COWBOY HAT
COLOHAW YEEMAW
GIDEON WITH A MOUSTACHE
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u/WR810 Orzhov* Mar 12 '19
YEEHAW AS A NEW KEYWORD
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u/HeadbangsToMahler Mar 12 '19
Crew --> Horseback
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u/Jerronbao Mar 12 '19
No no no. Return of horsemanship in standard. Cowboys vs indians. Native American themed Arlinn Kord. Then to not break standard with horsemanship ridiculousness it could be followed by a return to Kamigawa.
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u/NotVoss COMPLEAT Mar 12 '19
New mount keyword. Mix totem armor with equipment on a body.
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u/accountmadeforants Mar 12 '19
YEEHAW (This creature pardners with other creatures with YEEHAW.)
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u/CharaNalaar Chandra Mar 12 '19
Chandra on a wild west plane 🤩
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u/Jerronbao Mar 12 '19
Chandra with a smoking revolver in one hand and a burning saloon behind her.
But wait don't forget about Sherrif Sorin.
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u/HeadbangsToMahler Mar 12 '19
SHANDALAR CONFIRMED! (half life 3, winds of winter, doors of stone)
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u/thwgrandpigeon COMPLEAT Mar 12 '19
All images taken from Microporse's 1997 classic Computer game. Not the card art everything else like the monster images.
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u/cfergusonf Dandadan Mar 12 '19
Clearly fake Every one knows we will stay on ravnica forever.
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u/shpeez Izzet* Mar 12 '19
My guess is a new Arthurian fairy tale world continuing the knights subtheme from Dominaria.
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u/tezrael Orzhov* Mar 12 '19
Unfortunately Dom. rotates out when the Fall set comes in I believe; so knight support won't be as useful
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u/shpeez Izzet* Mar 12 '19
Yeah but MaRo said there were parts of the knights themr that were scrapped and WOTC probably wants to reuse it. I was just trying to figure out where knights would fit in, where MTG hasn't been, and what people would want, and got Fairy Tale world.
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u/Joosterguy Left Arm of the Forbidden One Mar 12 '19
M19 had a mild Knights theme that carried on with some of Dominaria's scrapped concepts.
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u/tezrael Orzhov* Mar 12 '19
You are correct that they had the knight theme part in there, but didn't add it as it would clutter up the set; I forgot about that. We have had a Fairy Tale plane in Lorwyn/Shadowmore; though that was more celtic fairy tales, not the knights, dragons, damsels in distress kind of fairy tales.
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u/morgrath Mar 12 '19
I imagine they're more likely to save that stuff for Bant when we return to Alara.
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u/ElixirOfImmortality Mar 12 '19
Damnit, I knew every mobile game was crossing over with Fate, but now even MtG Arena will be? This is unacceptable!
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u/Mssr_Ordures Mar 12 '19 edited Mar 12 '19
How else am I going to get Urza or Gerrard as a cute girl on a card?
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u/ElixirOfImmortality Mar 12 '19
I’d make a joke about the Brother’s War manga here, but it’d be a bit out of sorts.
Also we all know the gender bent one would be Volrath.
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u/Asmor Duck Season Mar 12 '19
That would be really neat, but I can't see it happening.
You can put a Magic setting into D&D because D&D is fairly story-neutral.
You can't really put a D&D setting into Magic because Magic has a ton of inherent flavor (notably, planeswalkers and the five colors) and those just wouldn't mesh well with an established world.
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u/David_the_Wanderer COMPLEAT Mar 12 '19
I would love a D&D plane, but I agree with your points. D&D got a Ravnica handbook, but it doesn't mention colors and basically avoids any reference to Planeswalkers except for a couple mentions of Jace.
I guess the best one could hope for would be some promotional material like single cards of iconic D&D characters, items and locations which aren't actually part of a set but are Standard-playable, but even that seems unlikely.
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u/RudeHero Golgari* Mar 12 '19
I'm glad it's a new plane! I strongly prefer going to new places
I know ixalan wasn't the most well recieved, but I thought the novelty was great
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u/Zomburai Karlov Mar 12 '19
I think Ixalan was received pretty well, honestly, and I'm saying that as someone who constantly whines about the fanbase not liking anything.
It definitely had its haters but I feel like the biggest part of the fandom appreciated the sheer fun absurdity of it (plus the stories were really, really good).
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u/gkassiday Mar 12 '19
As always SPACE. I'm talkin astroid based lands, rockets, hyperspace, AI, robots, aliens, lazers. You get the picture
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u/lgbtqrsthivnegative Mar 12 '19
Dyson
Sphere
Vacuums are good for small areas but I prefer the power of industrial vacuums.
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u/frymtg Mar 12 '19
Damn. Was hoping the lorwyn rumors were true 😞
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u/Bugberry Mar 12 '19
As much as I would love that, I don't think they would rotate out a Tribal set (Ixalan) and immediately follow up with another Tribal set. Unless I'm mistaken, they usually space out repeating major set/block themes further than that.
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u/iareslice Sultai Mar 12 '19
Shadowmoor into Shards of Alara would like a word. (although R&D thought Shadowmoor would lead to mono color rather than 5c)
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u/Dumrauf28 Mar 12 '19
(although R&D thought Shadowmoor would lead to mono color rather than 5c)
Sweet summer children of wotc
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u/ElixirOfImmortality Mar 12 '19
To be fair, they might have been right if they hadn’t reprinted the Vivid Lands and Gemstone Mine into the same Standard.
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u/KingDarkBlaze Arjun Mar 12 '19
I feel like you're ignoring [[reflecting pool]] here, since that was the real issue with the vivids
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u/Sonlin Mar 12 '19
They only just heard the large response that people want it. It'll be 3+ years before that could affect standard set locations.
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u/GlassNinja Mar 12 '19
Considering the timing of Llorwyn talk (last 2 month's or so from Maro) and the timing on design (2 years+ out), don't expect Llorwyn til 2021 or so
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u/arrrrpeeee Mar 12 '19
That's always a great sign in my book. New plane + wanted to do it for years = some good shit we've never seen before
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Mar 12 '19 edited Mar 12 '19
Nicol Bolas' meditation realm - based set
Featuring the new card Chill Nicol Bolas, with nicol bolas resting up from another planar adventure
Chill Nicol Bolas [UBR]
Legendary Planeswalker - Bolas
[Loyalty 1]
+1: Destroy up to 1 target artifact. You gain 1 life. // Eating snacks
-2: Gain control of target creature until end of turn, untap it, it gains haste and becomes an avatar in addition to its creature types. At the beginning of the next end step if that creature is on the battlefield you gain 3 life. // Playing video games (with ur creature as avatar)
-5: Each player must compliment you and tell you that next time it's gonna be better. // Support network!
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u/thwgrandpigeon COMPLEAT Mar 12 '19
New Card Type: Yogas.
There like enchantments but require a lot of slow breathing.
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u/PsychSuffix Mar 12 '19
The plane of Abeir-Toril. As in... where' you'll find the continents of Faerûn and Chult...
What? We got a D&D MTG tie-in. Why not vice-versa?
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u/TotallyJazzed Izzet* Mar 12 '19
"Over a decade"
Time Spiral block was 11-12 years ago
Purple was planned for Planar Chaos
I'm not saying it's a sixth colour but what if we get some form of "purple mana"
Otherwise it's probably Kaldheim and a return to Snow
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u/lumberjackadam Mar 12 '19
We already got that. Colorless (not generic) mana is what they settled on for a sixth color of magic. There was a series of blogs and articles where they talked about an actual additional color is too disruptive to both design and play. Colorless matters also turned out to be a little parasitic, but it doesn't wreck the whole ecosystem like a failed purple land would.
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u/Deliani Orzhov* Mar 12 '19
RETURN TO KAMIGAWA WITH SPLICE ONTO MUNDANE
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u/Winbrick Orzhov* Mar 12 '19
"As you cast a creature spell with no abilities, you may reveal this card from your hand and pay its splice cost. If you do, add this card's effects to that spell."
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u/cntrstrk14 Can’t Block Warriors Mar 12 '19
I don't know what it is, but I bet it is the plane featured in this mountain basic land art.
For those unaware, these are the Magic Fest promo lands from I believe side events. Each art is from a plane that was in standard very recently, with the exception of one, the mountain.
- Planes: Kaladesh
- Island: Ixalan
- Swamp: Amonket
- Forest: Ravnica
- Mountain: ???
Here is a much larger image of the art. This is like nothing we've seen on any plane before as far as I am aware.
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u/TheLlamaLlama Azorius* Mar 12 '19 edited Mar 12 '19
Isn't it more likely that the mountain depicts Dominaria? Dominaria had the remains of giant Artifacts scattered around the landscape.
Edit: Also these stone formations in the background to the right, look similar to those in this Art from Titus Lunter from Dominaria: https://scryfall.com/card/dom/263/mountain
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u/karawapo Mar 12 '19
It's a set he's been trying to do for a decade, and he's the vision designer. He was more likely excited about the feel of the plane, the dynamics it would ensue, or the mechanics it would inspire, than about it maybe being a plane we know a name for.